Obama Still Refuses to Produce Birth Certificate

[larry2]

        You deceived conservatives are sure sore losers, and you deceived liberals are sure sore winners. Is there no peace to the wicked; oops, I should have said politically influenced?   

I wonder if Jesus could have said to Christians in this land as He did to Martha; you are troubled about many things, but one thing is needful. Now I'll insert me into the equation; and larry2 hath chosen that good part, which shall not be taken away from him.   
   
Psalms 2:2  - - rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, 3  Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us. 4  He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.

In Jesus' name - larry2

[Quinn]

There is in existence a "Certified Copy if Registration of Birth" from Kenya, if anyone is interested, and a suit has been filed based on this document:

http://orlytaitzesq.com/

Don't dally.  "Hackers" have been tinkering with her sites from the git-go. (I have saved them to my own computer.)

Looks more legit than anything I have seen so far.

[Contrary to other reports, Stanley Ann was 16 when Barack was born, not 18 or 19.]

[In addition, I believe this copy was made in February 1964 after the Obama's filed for divorce in January 1964.]

Just curious - why would Kenya issue a birth certificate in 1964 for a baby born in 1961?

And why, if it were issued in February of 1964, would it say "Republic of Kenya" when Kenya didn't become a Republic until December of 1964?

If you look at my post, I indicated that this copy was made a month following Stanley Ann's filing for divorce from Obama Sr.  My guess is that she needed it for the divorce, and it was required by the court.  It's the most logical thing in this that gives it validity, IMO.

doesn't answer my second question...

[lightshineon]

 One question no one has dealt with. The Major in the United States Military. Anybody been an officer in the Military? If so would you have just gotten a transfer, if you told you superiors "NO", or would you have been dealt with in a harsh manner. Maybe even treason? The officer would not go to Afghanistan, because he said Obama was a fraud, and not his commander in Chief. Getting to the rank of Major, you usually, always follow orders and give them. John B. is This not the case?What do you think? I know what I have seen in the officer ranks.

[jonmower]

Repeating this so it doesn't get lost on a previous page:

There is in existence a "Certified Copy if Registration of Birth" from Kenya, if anyone is interested, and a suit has been filed based on this document:

http://orlytaitzesq.com/

Don't dally.  "Hackers" have been tinkering with her sites from the git-go. (I have saved them to my own computer.)

Looks more legit than anything I have seen so far.

[Contrary to other reports, Stanley Ann was 16 when Barack was born, not 18 or 19.]

[In addition, I believe this copy was made in February 1964 after the Obama's filed for divorce in January 1964.]

This is an excellent case in point as birthers look even worse as they latch onto a forgery...

summary of some of the problems with the document: link

what Karl Rove thinks about it: link

commentary from Little Green Footballs: link

[lightshineon]

jon, why does he not just do it? I have to produce it for my children when entering Kindergarden for Petes sake what is the deal? Just produce it? We Americans have the right, under the constitution to know the truth. agreed

[jonmower]

jon, why does he not just do it? I have to produce it for my children when entering Kindergarden for Petes sake what is the deal? Just produce it? We Americans have the right, under the constitution to know the truth. agreed

In short, he has already done it...(provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii).  Full stop.

As I posted earlier, conservative writer James Taranto sees it this way:

Why should he? The demand has no basis in principle and would have no practical benefit.

Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not "resolve the issue

[phoebe]

jon, why does he not just do it? I have to produce it for my children when entering Kindergarden for Petes sake what is the deal? Just produce it? We Americans have the right, under the constitution to know the truth. agreed

In short, he has already done it...(provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii).  Full stop.

As I posted earlier, conservative writer James Taranto sees it this way:

Why should he? The demand has no basis in principle and would have no practical benefit.

Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not "resolve the issue

[lightshineon]

Jon, why does he not just do it? I have to produce it for my children when entering Kindergarden for Petes sake what is the deal? Just produce it? We Americans have the right, under the constitution to know the truth. agreed

In short, he has already done it...(provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii).  Full stop.

As I posted earlier, conservative writer James Taranto sees it this way:

Why should he? The demand has no basis in principle and would have no practical benefit.

Obama has already provided a legal birth certificate demonstrating that he was born in Hawaii. No one has produced any serious evidence to the contrary. Absent such evidence, it is unreasonable to deny that Obama has met the burden of proof. We know that he was born in Honolulu as surely as we know that Bill Clinton was born in Hope, Ark., or George W. Bush in New Haven, Conn.

The release of the obsolete birth certificate would not "resolve the issue

[marc]

It's amazing that people are accepting an obvious fake with the wrong name of a country at that time, the wrong country for the city at the time, and a number on it indicating it was a joke and yet rejecting an official document produced in the U.S.

[marc]

btw, I would suspect that his reasons for not addressing this are the same as the reasons those senators outed as space aliens by Weekly World News didn't fight that charge.  One is about as serious as the other.

He Has provided a legal document; saying it isn't a million times won't change that. 

[Mere Nick]

This birth certificate stuff is a load of bunk.  Put it in the same file with the claims that FDR knew the Japs were going to bomb us at Pearl Harbor and ordered the radar off and that 9/11 was an inside job.

Here I am agreeing with marc, jonmower and some others in a political thread.  The end must be nigh.

[jonmower]

First, he did not provide a legal birth certificate.

So, you're saying conservative Wall Street Journal columnist James Taranto is lying or mistaken when he definitively states (link):

The document that Obama has released, which carries the title "certification of live birth,

[marc]

Over on another thread in another discussion I linked to a case where Ellis J. Crum, editor of a church songbook notorius for changing lyrics (when the saved get to Heaven....) claimed that a warrant he was issued to collect back taxes wasn't valid because it was issued by the Treasury Department rather than the Department of Treasury (or vice versa; I don't remember.) The court ruled against him and told him he was being silly.

[lightshineon]

 Nick, Marc, Jon sorry it is not a bunch of bunk. McCain was made to prove it, so why not his greatness? There is no place of birth on the  live certificate of birth. Just why would Obama spend so much money, and effort to be evasive. It is constitutional for him to prove this. If he does not, why not? We the people who pay him demand to see it. If my employee demands to see mine, which they have, along with SS card, I did it. Do you know if you are late getting your drivers licence renewed. They require you to have a real copy, not a live certificate of birth, there has to be a state embossed seal.

[marc]

I think you need to do some real research instead of just listenening to those that agree with you on this.  It's a real birth certificate according to the people in Hawaii, and they should know.

Besides, if you followed the link I provided a few pages back, you saw that it had an embossed seal.

The Kenyan b.c. does have a city listed, but it wasn't a part of Kenya at the time.  So which is more legit?  

Seriously, it's time to give it up.

[lightshineon]

I think you need to do some real research instead of just listening to those that agree with you on this.  It's a real birth certificate according to the people in Hawaii, and they should know.

The Kenyan b.c. does have a city listed, but it wasn't a part of Kenya at the time.  So which is more legit? 

Seriously, it's time to give it up.

Marc, I never give up. It is time for Obama to give up his Birth Certificate. Why not?

[marc]

Are you reading the posts?  He already has!!!!!

[lightshineon]

 How has Obama ever had a passport, if he did not have his own copy? We know he has traveled out of the country before he was president.

[marc]

I haven't heard a single person mention this so-called controversy.

btw, I know many here accept factcheck when it suits their purpose, but I doubt the same people will now.  Here's what they say.

Here's the link again. Click it.  See the city listed. See the seal.  Admit you are wrong about these things you keep repeating.

 Wishing something does not make it so.

[lightshineon]

Are you reading the posts?  He already has!!!!!

No we saw a photo of a certificate of live birth, from Hawaii. where is Obamas personal copy?

[marc]

Also where are the actual photographs of the birth!!!!!

Good grief.  I don't even know where my personal copy is; I got a copy from the state to use for my passport.

Give it up.

The things you have said about the seal and the city have been proven wrong.  Do you at least admit that? 

[phoebe]

Really, the comments about the "pictures of the birth" are simply assinine. 

Unfortunately, marc et al, what he has provided is insufficient.  All these things in the new document are being thoroughly investigated, as all the things in the document he provided should have been investigated, as should have been done before he was even nominated to run, as should have been done before he was sworn in.



1) The Constitution in Article 2, Section 1, states, "No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President."

2) If he was born out of the country, as some have claimed to be witness to his birth in Africa, Obama's American mother was too young at the time of his birth to confer American citizenship to her son under the law at the time. (A reason to hide her actual age?)

3) Looking through his father, the Constitution excludes dual citizens from qualifying as natural born.


Obama has the power to satisfy these questions and make it all go away.  The fact that he has chosen not to do so, and has chosen, instead, to fight the release of so many of his records, incl. his medical records which, I believe, every other presidential nominee has released, should big a    huge red flag to everyone.  People don't keep secrets unless they have something to hide.

What I want to see are his college records.  Those will tell us who he really is. 


And frankly, right now I would prefer Dufus Biden over Marxist Obama.

This isn't going to go away until he releases all his records.

[marc]

Again, the legal birth certificate has been released.  It's that simple.

I wouldn't respond to these silly insults either.

[phoebe]

Again, the legal birth certificate has been released.  It's that simple.

I wouldn't respond to these silly insults either.

No, that is not a legal birth certificate.

The request is not "silly", not are they "insults".  What a bogus argument for not releasing!  Nor was the certification any of the other documents he keeps in secret.

And he could make it all go away if he chose.  I think he likes the distraction from what he's actually doing to us, as if we can't keep our own all-seeing-eye on him and all he is doing.


Again, what he released was not a legal birth certificate.

[marc]

And again, repeating that a million times doesn't make it so.

It has a raised seal, a signature, a date, and a location, and the only title listed on birth certificates in Hawaii.  Care to explain again why it isn't legal?

It is not legal only in the minds of people who can't believe he won.

[jonmower]

No, that is not a legal birth certificate.

A distinction without a difference.  A "certificate of live birth" is the only type of "birth certificate" (record that documents the birth of a child) that the state of Hawaii currently issues and retains on file.  Regardless of whether or not it is sufficient to satisfy your curiosity, it is sufficient legal documentation of Obama's birth in Hawaii.  Period.

I can't criticize you for your interest in Obama's original birth certificate.  I'm sure I'm interested in plenty of things you'd consider to be trivial and banal.  However, you're wrong to claim that Obama is required or obligated to produce any additional documentation of his birth.

[lightshineon]

Marc you have to have an official copy for a passport. just this morning talking to a friend whose husband let his drivers licence expire, he must go two hours away to obtain official copy. now leaders lead by example, admit he has to have a personal copy, to have ever obtained a passpoet or gotten married. do you not find it strange he does notprovide his personal copy? We all do, his employers. how about the major in the military?

[marc]

There's really no more to say.  All the evidence is there.

As I said earlier, I didn't have a personal copy of mine and provided the gov't copy for my passport (and other document.) I was born a year after Obama, and this wasn't unusual at all.

All the hard evidence here has been presented.  The rest is fantasy.

[lightshineon]

There's really no more to say.  All the evidence is there.

As I said earlier, I didn't have a personal copy of mine and provided the gov't copy for my passport (and other document.) I was born a year after Obama, and this wasn't unusual at all.

All the hard evidence here has been presented.  The rest is fantasy.

do not o away mad this jusr a disscusion, and nobody has anything on the Major Marc, I know you justcannot do that. Is it not good to havea friendly debate, and, be ok,

[marc]

Not mad, it's just that there's nothing left to say.  It's all out there.

[phoebe]

I'm not wrong to press him on his campaign promise of transparency, and I will continue to do so.  He is the polar opposite of transparent.

When it is "all out there", I will be satisfied that he has fulfilled his promise.

As I keep saying, the birth certificate is not the main thing, just the first thing.



Transparency. An unkept promise.

[normfromga]

Satisfied?

Now leave the guy alone!

It's his birthday, for crying out loud...

[lightshineon]

There's really no more to say.  All the evidence is there.

As I said earlier, I didn't have a personal copy of mine and provided the govt copy for my passport (and other document.) I was born a year after Obama, and this wasn't unusual at all.

All the hard evidence here has been presented.  The rest is fantasy.

Sorry about crazy spelling of last post, my kitten Tyrone, ruined desktop keyboard. I am now on laptop. I was going to say, as Christians it seems we take these areas of disagreements way to serious. Why is that?  Christains first, and chair side political analyst is just a way to goof off. Mark please can you please give me an answer as why the Major, got his way? I do not know a whole lot about, alot, but I do know about being an officer in the Military. Why does ourpresident keep everything so secret? Do you at least agree. he is not very forth coming, and he needs to give some clarity to some things?


do not o away mad this just a discussion, and nobody has anything on the Major Marc, I know you justcannot do that. Is it not good to have friendly debate, and, be OK,

[lightshineon]

 Norm you are a mess, and very funny.

[marc]

LSO, I'm not sure what you're talking about.