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Sabbath

Started by MercyWrites, Fri Sep 18, 2009 - 21:29:03

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winsome

Quote from: djconklin on Sun Oct 25, 2009 - 08:41:14
Quote from: winsome on Sun Oct 25, 2009 - 07:19:00
Quote from: djconklin on Sat Oct 24, 2009 - 22:45:55
They met on Saturday nite. Not Sunday morning.
Sauruday night is no longer the Sabbath since it runs from Sunset on the Friday evening to Sunset on the Saturday evening.
Correct.  Luke was using the Jewish method of determining which day it was.  So, they were meeting on Saturday nite because Paul was going to be traveling Sunday morning.

So they were not meeting on the Sabbath.

djconklin

QuoteSo they were not meeting on the Sabbath.
Presumably, they had met earlier for worship.  This was a Saturday nite meeting because Paul was going to be leaving the next day (He wouldn't travel on the Sabbath.)  This was NOT a Sunday morning worship to celebrate the resurrection.  I don't know of anyone who has ever argued that this meeting took place on the Sabbath.

winsome

Quote from: djconklin on Sun Oct 25, 2009 - 09:46:03
QuoteSo they were not meeting on the Sabbath.
Presumably, they had met earlier for worship.  This was a Saturday nite meeting because Paul was going to be leaving the next day (He wouldn't travel on the Sabbath.)  This was NOT a Sunday morning worship to celebrate the resurrection.  I don't know of anyone who has ever argued that this meeting took place on the Sabbath.

Why do you presume they met earlier? They were gathered "to break bread" - the most solemn celebration.


Bon Voyage


winsome

Quote from: Gary on Sun Oct 25, 2009 - 10:27:15
Happy Lord's Day!

Indeed - let's celebrate the risen Christ.

Amo

QuoteWhy do you presume they met earlier? They were gathered "to break bread" - the most solemn celebration.

Acts 2:46 And they, continuing daily with one accord in the temple, and breaking bread from house to house, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart,47 Praising God, and having favour with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.

Breaking bread does not always mean celebrating the Lord's supper.  It can mean just eating together.  In any case, if it does mean celebrating the Lord's supper, then obviously
Sunday was no special day to do this, but it was practiced every day.  Thus it holds no significance in relation to the day of the sun.

djconklin

QuoteThey were gathered "to break bread" - the most solemn celebration.
To "break bread" can also signify a meal.  It is highly unlikely that they would have celebrated communion twice (verses 7 & 11) in less than 24 hours.

djconklin

Quote from: winsome on Sun Oct 25, 2009 - 10:29:09
Quote from: Gary on Sun Oct 25, 2009 - 10:27:15
Happy Lord's Day!

Indeed - let's celebrate the risen Christ.
Baptism by immersion is the biblical symbol for that:

Romans 6:4  Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Colossians 2:12  Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

Always go by the Bible, not the traditions of man.

blituri

Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.


Laodicea did not change the Sabbath to Sunday but confirmed what was  the practice of the church to honour Sunday as the Lord's day. It condemned judaizers who wanted to rest on the Saturday, just as the Council of Jerusalem had condemned judaisers in Acts 15.

What you should grasp is that the early church met on the Lord's Day for reading and fthe Lord's Supper as the fundamentals of the Christian assembly.

Sunday was a day of WORK but the worshipers of Mithra were mostly military and got the SEVENTH day of the week off: Saturday is NOT related to the Jewish SABBATH or REST day which was not for "worship."

Constantine gave the Christians an extra day off on the FIRST DAY: otherwise they would assembly before or after work.

The Sabbath was a day of rest for the SUN WORSHIPERS and this was a day of eat, drink and be merry. When the Lord's Day ceased to be a WORK day the Christians now had TWO days to rest.  They continued to assemble as CHURCH on the Lord's Day and commanded people to work as they had always worked on both the sevent and first day.  That means that the church continued a 6 DAY WORK WEEK and did NOT change its assembly day..

Canon XXIX.

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians.  But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Notes.

Ancient Epitome of Canon XXIX.

A Christian shall not stop work on the Sabbath, but on the Lord's Day.

Balsamon.

Here the Fathers order that no one of the faithful shall stop work on the Sabbath as do the Jews, but that they should honour the Lord's Day, on account of the Lord's resurrection, and that on that day they should abstain from manual labour and go to church.  But thus abstaining from work on Sunday they do not lay down as a necessity, but they add, "if they can.

djconklin

Acts 20:29-30  For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.  Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

Amo

Canon 29
Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Laodicea did not change the Sabbath to Sunday but confirmed what was  the practice of the church to honour Sunday as the Lord's day. It condemned judaizers who wanted to rest on the Saturday, just as the Council of Jerusalem had condemned judaisers in Acts 15.

What you should grasp is that the early church met on the Lord's Day for reading and fthe Lord's Supper as the fundamentals of the Christian assembly.

Sunday was a day of WORK but the worshipers of Mithra were mostly military and got the SEVENTH day of the week off: Saturday is NOT related to the Jewish SABBATH or REST day which was not for "worship."

Constantine gave the Christians an extra day off on the FIRST DAY: otherwise they would assembly before or after work.

The Sabbath was a day of rest for the SUN WORSHIPERS and this was a day of eat, drink and be merry. When the Lord's Day ceased to be a WORK day the Christians now had TWO days to rest.  They continued to assemble as CHURCH on the Lord's Day and commanded people to work as they had always worked on both the sevent and first day.  That means that the church continued a 6 DAY WORK WEEK and did NOT change its assembly day..

Canon XXIX.

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians.  But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.

Notes.

Ancient Epitome of Canon XXIX.

A Christian shall not stop work on the Sabbath, but on the Lord's Day.

Balsamon.

Here the Fathers order that no one of the faithful shall stop work on the Sabbath as do the Jews, but that they should honour the Lord's Day, on account of the Lord's resurrection, and that on that day they should abstain from manual labour and go to church.  But thus abstaining from work on Sunday they do not lay down as a necessity, but they add, "if they can.

blituri

The Canon was to PREVENT the Christians from observing the SABBATH which was the Mithra day to frolic.

The Christians were persecuted BECAUSE they did not keep the Sabbath.  Justin writes to confirm this they would observe physical circumcision and the Sabbath if they were convinced that it was not wrong because on the face of it they would seem harmless.

http://www.piney.com/FathJustinDiaTrypho.html

The only SPIRITUAL Covenant was that made by Christ to Abraham.

    ONE OUT OF SEVEN DAYS OF REST WAS COMMON: IT WAS NOT COMMANDED TO ABRAHAM UNDER THE COVENANT OF GRACE.

The Law was added because of TRANSGRESSION (musical idolatry) with no SPIRITUAL cleansing.

    Gal. 4:22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman.
   
The SDA and churches of Christ who "worship" on the Sabbath have OPTED for slavery.

    Gal. 4:23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh;
            but he of the freewoman was by promise.
    Gal. 4:24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants;
            the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar.
    Gal. 4:25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is,
            and is in bondage with her children.

            Rev. 11:8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
                  which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
                  where also our Lord was crucified
            The Mother of Harlots of Babylon is THAT GREAT CITY:
            Both the SABBATH and TITHE were part of the NATIONAL system to which God let
            them become enslaved.

    Gal. 4:26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
    Gal. 4:27 For it is written, Rejoice, thou barren that bearest not; break forth and cry,
            thou that travailest not: for the desolate hath many more children than she which hath an husband.
    Gal. 4:28 Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.

    Gal. 4:29 But as then he that was born after the flesh
            persecuted him that was born after the Spirit,
            even so it is now
.
    Gal. 4:30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture?
            Cast out the bondwoman and her son:
            for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.
    Gal. 4:31 So then, brethren, we are not children of the bondwoman, but of the free.

The Covenant made with Abraham is summed up in Galatians 3 where we become the sons of God and children of Abraham when we are BAPTIZED.  The Sabbath was part of the LAW added because of transgression: if you are going to keep the Law of Moses added as a punishmentor curse then Paul warnes:

Gal. 2:15 We who are Jews by nature, and not sinners of the Gentiles,
Gal. 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
      but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
      that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law:
      for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Gal. 2:17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ,
       we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal. 2:18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.
Gal. 2:19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.


THE LAW WAS A SHADOW--SKIA--WHICH MEANS A TOTALLY ERRONEOUS SYSTEM: A COVENANT WITH DEATH.

THE SDA AND MANY OTHERS PUT THEIR FAITH IN THE SLAVERY

http://www.piney.com/FathJustinDiaTrypho.html

Chapter XVIII.-Christians Would Observe the Law, If They Did Not Know Why It Was Instituted.

"For since you have read, O Trypho, as you yourself admitted, the doctrines taught by our Saviour, I do not think that I have done foolishly in adding some short utterances of His to the prophetic statements.

    Wash therefore, and be now clean, and put away iniquity from your souls,
    as God bids you be washed in this laver,
    and be circumcised with the true circumcision. [baptism]

For we too would observe the fleshly circumcision, and the Sabbaths, and in short all the feasts,
        if we did not know for what reason they were enjoined you,-namely,
       on account of your transgressions and the hardness of your hearts.


NOTING THAT THE CHRISTIANS WERE PERSECUTED FOR NOT KEEPING THE SABBATH.

For if we patiently endure all things contrived against us by wicked men and demons, so that even amid cruelties unutterable, death and torments, we pray for mercy to those who inflict such things upon us, and do not wish to give the least retort to any one, even as the new Lawgiver commanded us:

    how is it, Trypho, that we would not observe those rites which do not harm us,-I speak of fleshly circumcision, and Sabbaths, and feasts?


THE SABBATH NEEDED NO COMMAND UNDER ABRAHAM: IT WAS NECESSARY AFTER THEY CAME OUT OF EGYPT AND CONTINUED THEIR COMMON PAGAN PRACTICES.  GOD ABANDONED THE CIVIL-MILITARY-CLERGY AND GAVE THE PEOPLE A DAY OF REST.  IT WAS NEVER A DAY OF WORSHIP EXCEPT AT THE TEMPLE..

If there was nothing WRONG with being circumcised or observing the Sabbath, then Justin proves that they would do it to escape the kind of persecution which some continue by claiming that Sunday is the MARK OF THE BEAST.

todd_vetter33

Quote from: Gary on Fri Sep 18, 2009 - 22:20:31
No.  We are not under the Old Testament law.

The Christ would disagree with you. 

blituri

The Law of Moses was added BECAUSE OF TRANSGRESSION: that was a curse saith Christ speaking to the believers in the PROPHETS ONLY.

Stephen and may others said that was because GOD TURNED THEM OVER TO WORSHIP THE STARRY HOST.

ALL of the sabbath quotes are calculatedly wrong.

todd_vetter33

#49
The Transfiguration on the Mount
The Giving of the Law

1. AFTER six days, when the Feast of Tabernacles was nigh at hand, Jesus taketh the twelve and bringeth them up into a high mountain apart, and as he was praying the fashion of his countenance was changed, and he was transfigured before them, and his face did shine as the sun, and his raiment was white as the light.
2. And, behold, there appeared unto them Moses and Elias talking with him and spake of the Law, and of his decease which he should accomplish at Jerusalem.
3.. And Moses spake, saying, This is he of whom I foretold, saying, A prophet from the midst of thy brethren, like unto me shall the Eternal send unto you, and that which the Eternal speaketh unto him, shall he speak unto you, and unto him shall ye hearken, and whoso will not obey shall bring upon themselves their own destruction.
4. Then Peter said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here; if thou wilt let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
5. While he yet spake, behold a bright cloud overshadowed them, and twelve rays as of the sun issued from behind the cloud, and a voice came out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.
6. And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their faces and were sore amazed, and Jesus came and touched them and said, Arise and be not afraid. And when they had lifted up their eyes, they saw no man, save Jesus only. And the six glories were seen upon him.
7. AND Jesus said unto them, Behold a new law I give unto you, which is not new but old. Even as Moses gave the Ten Commandments to Israel after the flesh, so also I give unto you the Twelve for the Kingdom of Israel after the Spirit.
8. For who are the Israel of God ? Even they of every nation and tribe who work righteousness, love mercy and keep my commandments, these are the true Israel of God. And standing upon his feet, Jesus spake, saying:
9. Hear O Israel, JOVA, thy God is One; many are My seers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence.
14. Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit. nor yet torment it.
11. Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use.
12. Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet any thing which bringeth disorder to your health or senses.
13. Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy.
14. Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor wilfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them.
15. Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you.
16. Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the holy Name.
17. Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the Teachers of Righteousness.
18. Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong.
19. Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits Of the earth, and live long in the land.
20. Ye shall purify yourselves daily and rest the Seventh Day from labour, keeping holy the Sabbaths and the Festival of your God.
21. Ye shall do unto others as ye would that others should do unto you.
22. And when the disciples heard these words, they smote upon their breasts, saying: Wherein we have offended. O God forgive us: and may thy wisdom, love and truth within us incline our hearts to love and keen this Holy Law.
23. And Jesus said unto them, My yoke is equal and my burden light, if ye will to bear it, to you it will be easy. Lay no other burden on those that enter into the kingdom, but only these necessary things.
24. This is the new Law unto the Israel of God, and the Law is within, for it is the Law of Love, and it is not new but old. Take heed that ye add nothing to this law, neither take anything from it. Verily I say unto you, they who believe and obey this law shall be saved, and they who know and obey it not, shall be lost.
25. But as in Adam all die so in Christ shall all be made alive. And the disobedient shall be purged through many fires; and they who persist shall descend and shall perish eternally.
26. And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
27. His disciples asked him, saying, Why then say the scribes that Elias must first come? And Jesus answered and said unto them, Elias truly shall first come and restore all things.
28. But I say unto you, that Elias is come already, and they knew him not, but have done unto him whatsoever they listed. Likewise shall also the Son of man suffer of them. Then the disciples understood that he spake unto them of John the Baptist.

The Christian is forever debating issues like the Sabbath and many other docternal issues because they are built on half the truth.  It's for this reason they are ever learning and never coming to the truth.

We have but to look at the entire Christian world from the outside looking in, to see the doctrinal confusions all claiming to be the truth, which can only be explained as differing in perception because they are built on half the truth. All are built on the bible, all speak according to the portions of the bible that they perceive to be the higher truth among the differing testimonies of men within the bible, yet none speak according to the Law and testimony (Isaiah 8:20), but God says if we build on him, the true Rock, we will be solid. Our perception of Solid when built on the bible comes from the "denominational tradition" we accept as the highest perception of Bible truth. The bible is not God for he does not live in things made with man's hands!

if only the christian world could understand there is only one true Gospel of the Christ and it's written on the heart of the living

Amo

Genesis 2  1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. 2And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. 3And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

According to the verses above, the God who created this world, and everything in it, also blessed, and sanctified the seventh day, when he was finished creating.  During the act of creation, when God spoke, the thing was done.  Thus this world exists, and we, and all other living things have life.  So also, the Lord blessed, and sanctified the seventh day at creation.  He spoke, and the thing was done.  From that time forward, the seventh day has been a holy day.  These things were established at creation, and have not been undone.  One may choose not to believe that God created the world, but this does not change the fact that he did.  One may also believe that the seventh day is not a holy day, but this does not change the fact that God has made it so.

Exodus 20  8Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

The fourth commandment is a reminder to the children of Israel, not to forget the day which God made holy at creation.  Thus it says " Remember the sabbath day".  It is a memorial of the gift of life from God to this entire world.  One of it's purposes, is to remind us of who we are in relation to God.  That we owe our all to Him.  

John 1  1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2The same was in the beginning with God. 3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.................................
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Jesus Christ is the God who created this world, and everything in it.  He is the God who instituted the Sabbath at creation.  This holy day was made thus by Him, for us.  To disregard it, is to disregard Him.

Genesis 1  26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

We were created in the image of God, and therefore in the image of the Lord Jesus Christ.  He is that part of the Godhead, that created this world.  Though, to be like the Son, is to be like the Father, and the Holy Spirit, for they are one.  No one can separate them.  Only for our salvation were they ever separated.  It was for us, that the Son left the Father, and that the Father turned His back on the Son.  Because of our sin, they were separated.  

Colossians 1  12Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. 18And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 19For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; 20And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.

Again, Jesus Christ created, and sustains all things.  In Him all things consist, and come together, that is, are reconciled.  He is before all things, and in Him, all the fullness of God dwells.  Not only did He create all things, but after the fall of humanity, it was through Him that all were reconciled.  If only they would care to accept this gift.  Now our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ is not only the one responsible for the creation of the world, but also for our recreation as new creatures in Christ Jesus.  Through all of this, the seventh day remains the day which He blessed, and sanctified.  Only now, it is not just a memorial of the creation of this world, but also of the creation of new creatures in Christ Jesus, unto salvation.  He is not only our creator, but is our Lord and Savior, who has transformed us from created beings fallen into rebellion, into the literal sons, and daughters of God.  Praise be His name.

Therefore do I rest in His works, and strive to ever cease from my own.  I do partake of His Sabbath rest, not only on the day that He blessed and sanctified, but moreover, in Him who blessed and sanctified it.  For only God can bless, and sanctify anything, let alone, a sinner such as myself.  Therefore, I gladly obey His command concerning this day which He has sanctified, as a sign that it is He alone that sanctifies the sinner.  For Christ in you, is the hope of glory.

Hebrews 4  1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. 4For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. 5And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. 6Seeing therefore it remaineth that some must enter therein, and they to whom it was first preached entered not in because of unbelief: 7Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts. 8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief. 12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The seventh day Sabbath is a sign of the rest spoken of in the above verses.  It is observed strictly by faith in the word of God. It was put forth by God himself, as a sign, that He is the one who sanctifies.  It is a symbol of entering into God's rest, and allowing His works to be performed within you.  A sign that you have accepted His authority, and method of salvation.  

The Sunday Sabbath is a sign of just the opposite.  It cannot be observed by faith in God's word, for there is no command concerning it.  It has not been put forth by God as a sign for anything, but rather by the Church of Rome, as a sign of her authority.  It represents a lack of faith in God's word, in favor of a faith in the traditions of man.  It represents a faith in the method of salvation which the Church of Rome promulgates, over that which the scriptures testify to.  It represents the way of Cain, over the way of Abel.  For though they both brought a sacrifice, only Abel's was by faith, and in accordance with God's command.  Before it is over, all will choose.  Is the word of God the authority whom you obey, or the Church of Rome?

blituri

But, you don't KEEP the Sabbath: you fall under the BAN of Christ in Isaiah 58 where you hold a WORSHIP SERVICE whereas the SABBATH (never meant Saturday) was to REST. Rest NEVER means WORSHIP. The service of the Levites (an old Pagan group) was called HARD BONDAGE. You cannot preach, sing or pass the plate without TWISTING the REST Jesus gave us.  Only people who go to church on Sunday get any REST on the SABBATH. Isn't that twisted?

You just FABRICATED that didn't you?

As I said, you quote any historic figure about the keeping the sabbath for communion and I will show you someone who has a bad agenda to pervert the word.

Christ in Spirit spoke only through the Prophets and Apostles: the CURSE of the Law was to restore them to BABYLONIANISM.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
John 1:17 For the law was given by Moses,
         but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ
.

Matt. 17:4 Then answered Peter, and said unto Jesus, Lord, it is good for us to be here: if thou wilt, let us make here three tabernacles; one for thee, and one for Moses, and one for Elias.
Matt. 17:5 While he yet spake, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold a voice out of the cloud, which said, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

The SDA is not a Christian group just as most are not Christian.  Christ said through Hosea:

Hosea 2:9 Therefore will I return, and take away my corn in the time thereof, and my wine in the season thereof, and will recover my wool and my flax given to cover her nakedness.

Hosea 2:10 And now will I discover her lewdness in the sight of her lovers, and none shall deliver her out of mine hand.

Hosea 2:11 I will also cause all her mirth to cease,
      her feast days,
      her new moons,
      and her sabbaths,
      and all her solemn feasts.


4Q166 (4QpHosa) Dead Sea Scrolls, (Plus, pg. 276-7 Vermes)

(13)AND I SHALL PUT AN END TO ALL HER JOY, [HER] PIL[GRIMAGE,] HER [NEW] MOON, AND HER SABBATH, AND ALL HER FEASTS.

        The interpretation of it is that they make [the fe]asts go according to the appointed times of the nation. And [all] [joy] has been turned for them into mourning.

    "I will put an end to her rejoicing, her feasts, her new moons, her Sabbaths, and all her festivals (Hosea ii,11).

        "Interpreted, this means that they have rejected the ruling of the law,
        and have followed the festivals of the nations.

            But their rejoicing shall come to an end and shall be changed into mourning.

    I will ravage her vines and her fig trees, of which she said, 'They are my wage which my lovers
    have given me'. I wall make them a thicked and the will beasts shall eat them...ii, 12

    But they, like Adam, have broken the Covenant (vi, 7)

        Its interpretation... they have forsaken God and walked according to the decrees of the Gentiles..
..

That's perfectly clear to any Bible Reader

Hosea 2:12 And I will destroy her vines and her fig trees,
        whereof she hath said, These are my rewards that my lovers have given me:
        and I will make them a forest, and the beasts of the field shall eat them.

Hosea 2:13 And I will visit upon her the days of Baalim,
        wherein she burned incense to them, and she decked herself with her earrings and her jewels,
        and she went after her lovers, and forgat me, saith the Lord.

"Elements of ritual and mythology were taken over from Canaanite religion and inocrporated into the worship of Yahweh. Former Canaanite sanctuaries, like Bethel, Shechem, and perhaps Gilgal, were rededicated to Yahweh, and the Canaanite agricultural calendar was adopted for the timing of the pilgrimage festivals. Parents began naming their children after Baal, apparently with no thought of abandoning Yahweh.... As late as the eighth century B.C., Israelites--according to the prophet Hosea—actually addressed Yahweh as 'Baal," and by worhipping him according to the rituals of Baal sought the blessing of fertility (Hos. 2) At the popular level this syncretism—that is, the fusion of different religious forms and view--went on to some degree from the time Israel first set foot on Canaanite." (Anderson, Bernhard W., Understanding the Old Testament, 3rd, Prentice-Hall, p, p. 145).

So you have ADOPTED Canaanite Baalism as have some in the Church of Christ by using instruments "to make the lamb dumb before the slaughter."

From your composiiton it is clear that you are not connected to the Bible. That's ok but you should not call yourself Christians or you would teach "that which is written."  Revelation 17-18 prophesied the RISE of the Babylonian Mother Goddess worship. 

djconklin

Quotesome continue by claiming that Sunday is the MARK OF THE BEAST.
Not yet.

Amo

#53
Isaiah 58 says nothing about not worshipping God on the Sabbath day blituri, it talks about not doing your own will on the Sabbath day.  

The Sabbath was instituted at creation, before the fall. God reminded Israel to keep it when He gave them His law, He continued to remind them to keep it throughout the old covenant, Christ kept it when here on earth, and so did His apostles, He warned us all not to attempt to change the law in any way, there have always been Christians that have kept the fourth commandment, and the bible itself tells us that it will be kept in heaven. You can twist and mutilate the scriptures any way you want, but because of the established facts I have listed above, you will never convince me that it should not be kept by doing so.

We are not commanded in scripture to have communion on any particular day, including the Sabbath.

The civil, dietary, and ceremonial laws were given to Israel through Moses from God to Israel. The ten commandments were given to Israel from the mouth of God Himself, and written with His very own finger. You wish to make the words of John contradict the plain testimony of the scriptures regarding the same, in order to support your own false and twisted beliefs.

Christ was not talking about SDA's through Hosea, He was talking about the Jews.  He did put an end to all the things He mentioned when the Roman armies destroyed Jerusalem and the temple.  The sabbaths spoken of were the ceremonial sabbaths of the ceremonial laws, not the Sabbath day.
These things happened after Christ established the new covenant in His blood, and opened up the blessings to Israel, to all humanity.  Thus the last verse of Hosea 2 from which you have quoted says -

Hosea 2:23 And I will sow her unto me in the earth; and I will have mercy upon her that had not obtained mercy; and I will say to them which were not my people, Thou art my people; and they shall say, Thou art my God.

Here is something that should be perfectly clear to any bible reader -

Isa 66:22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the LORD, so shall your seed and your name remain.
23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.


The sabbath will be kept in the new heaven, and the new earth.  Just as it should be kept now in obedience to God's command by those who intend to be in either.

It is my desire to follow my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  I have been baptised in His name in order to publicly confess my desire to die to self, the sinner, and be raised a new creature in Christ, that I might walk in newness of life through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God.  Thus I strive to keep the commandments of God, as my Lord and Savior did when here on earth, when He was filled with the Spirit of God.  He kept the fourth commandment, and worshipped on the sabbath, therefore, so do I.  I do not want to be of the carnal mind, which is not subject to the law of God, and never can be, but rather desire to be filled with the Spirit of God, that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled within me.  

Rom 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:
4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

I most certainly will call myself a Christian.  I have not asked, nor will I ever ask your permission to do the same.

The Lord refers to the ten commandments as His commandments, and the Sabbath as His Sabbath, which they are.  If you want to call His law, and His Sabbath, paganism, go ahead.  I'll let you take that up with Him when you meet Him.  

Exod 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Exod 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my Sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Deut 5:14 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, nor thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thine ox, nor thine ass, nor any of thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates; that thy manservant and thy maidservant may rest as well as thou.

Lev 19:3 Ye shall fear every man his mother, and his father, and keep my sabbaths: I am the LORD your God.

Lev 19:30 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Lev 26:2 Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the LORD.

Isa 56:4 For thus saith the LORD unto the eunuchs that keep my sabbaths, and choose the things that please me, and take hold of my covenant; 5 Even unto them will I give in mine house and within my walls a place and a name better than of sons and of daughters: I will give them an everlasting name, that shall not be cut off. 6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people.

Ezek 20:12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them. 13 But the house of Israel rebelled against me in the wilderness: they walked not in my statutes, and they despised my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; and my Sabbaths they greatly polluted: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them in the wilderness, to consume them. 14 But I wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted before the heathen, in whose sight I brought them out. 15 Yet also I lifted up my hand unto them in the wilderness, that I would not bring them into the land which I had given them, flowing with milk and honey, which is the glory of all lands; 16 Because they despised my judgments, and walked not in my statutes, but polluted my sabbaths: for their heart went after their idols. 17 Nevertheless mine eye spared them from destroying them, neither did I make an end of them in the wilderness. 18 But I said unto their children in the wilderness, Walk ye not in the statutes of your fathers, neither observe their judgments, nor defile yourselves with their idols: 19 I am the LORD your God; walk in my statutes, and keep my judgments, and do them; 20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God. 21 Notwithstanding the children rebelled against me: they walked not in my statutes, neither kept my judgments to do them, which if a man do, he shall even live in them; they polluted my sabbaths: then I said, I would pour out my fury upon them, to accomplish my anger against them in the wilderness. 22 Nevertheless I withdrew mine hand, and wrought for my name's sake, that it should not be polluted in the sight of the heathen, in whose sight I brought them forth. 23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols.

Ezek 22: 8 Thou hast despised mine holy things, and hast profaned my sabbaths.

Ezek 22: 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them.

Ezek 23:38 Moreover this they have done unto me: they have defiled my sanctuary in the same day, and have profaned my sabbaths.

Ezek 44:24 And in controversy they shall stand in judgment; and they shall judge it according to my judgments: and they shall keep my laws and my statutes in all mine assemblies; and they shall hallow my sabbaths.

Neh 9:13-14 13 Thou camest down also upon mount Sinai, and spakest with them from heaven, and gavest them right judgments, and true laws, good statutes and commandments: 14 And madest known unto them thy holy sabbath, and commandedst them precepts, statutes, and laws, by the hand of Moses thy servant:

Lev 23:3 Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.













djconklin

Quotewhereas the SABBATH (never meant Saturday)

The name "saturday" came from the Romans.  The Sabbath is the seventh day of the week.

Quotewas to REST. Rest NEVER means WORSHIP.
See Lev. 23:3--the Sabbath is a rest from secular labor and a day of "holy convocation."

blituri

I will return to look at some of the FALSE proofs that the Church ever honored the SEVENTH day (not sabbath). I find it a terminal judgment when you APPLAUD themfor  keeping the mysteries on the seventh day.

The Sabbath was never a day of WORSHIP: Rest means rest as in the word Rest. The Christian "another day" is called PAUO which means STOP IT: stop the speaking, singing, playing and robbing.

When you WORSHIP in Isaiah 66 you do not sing, play, preach, or pass the collection plate:

H7812 shâchâh shaw-khaw' A primitive root; to depress, that is, prostrate (especially reflexively in homage to royalty or God):—bow (self) down, crouch, fall down (flat), humbly beseech, do (make) obeisance, do reverence, make to stoop, worship.

You cannot preach, sing, play or pass the collection plate and worship at the same time.

IN ISAIAH 58 CHRIST DEFINES A TRUE SABBATH (REST). More later

SABBATH MEANS REST: IN OUR SOCIETY MONDAY IS THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK BECAUSE IT IS THE FIRST WORK DAY.  OUR SUNDAY IS THE DESIGNATED REST DAY. 

H7676   shab-bawth' Intensive from H7673 ; INTERMISSION, that is, (specifically) the Sabbath:— (+ every) sabbat
H7673 shâbath shaw-bath'A primitive root; to REPOSE, that is, desist from exertion; used in many implied relations (causatively, figuratively or specifically):—(cause to, let, make to) cease, celebrate, cause (make) to fail, keep (sabbath), suffer to be lacking, leave, put away (down), (make to) rest, rid, still, take away


Yes, I know you KEEP Saturday but you REDEFINE what you can do on that REST DAY.

GOD BEGAN HIS WORK ON THE FIRST DAY OF HIS WEEK. HE RESTED OR REPOSED ON THE SEVENTH.

HERE IS WHAT YOU CANNOT DO ON THE REST DAY WHICH DOES NOT MEAN SATURDAY

H4399 melâ'kâh mel-aw-kaw' From the same as H4397 ; properly deputyship, that is, ministry; generally employment (never servile) or work (abstractly or concretely); also property (as the result of labor):—business, + cattle, + industrious, occupation, (+ -pied), + officer, thing (made), use, (manner of) work ([-man], -manship).

H4397 mal'âk mal-awk' From an unused root meaning to despatch as a deputy; a messenger; specifically of God, that is, an angel (also a prophet, priest or teacher):—ambassador, angel, king, messenger
.

THE SEVENTH IS THE HEBREW IS FAR REMOVED FROM SABBATH.

H7637 shebı̂y‛ı̂y shebi‛ı̂y sheb-ee-ee', sheb-ee-ee' Ordinal from H7657 ; seventh:—seventh (time).

If you have a skin problem the priest BEGINS on the First day he SEES the person: he looks again on the SEVENT DAY to looki over.

The SABBATH as one out of every seventh day meant REST.
Because of musical idolatry at Mount Sinai God.
If yo went into a field to harvest  on any day of the week, after 6 days you were given a day to rest. This was not a religious holiday but recognizing that God had commanded that we be permitted to SABBATH which means REST and not SATURDAY.

The Israelites PROFANED the Sabbath by eating, singing and playing instruments. The profane word includes blowing the flute, stealing people's inheritance (cutting roots), polluting or prostituting.

Acts 7:41 And they made a calf in those days, and offered sacrifice unto the idol,
        and rejoiced in the works of their own hands.
Acts 7:42 Then God turned,
        and gave them up to worship the host of heaven;
        as it is written in the book of the prophets,
        O ye house of Israel, have ye offered to me slain beasts
        and sacrifices by the space of forty years in the wilderness
?

NO, because God had not COMMANDED animal sacrifices: this was part of the superstitious BABYLONIAN Sabbath as well as the Tithe.

Acts 7:43 Yea, ye took up the tabernacle of Moloch,
        and the STAR  of your god Remphan,
        figures which ye made to worship them:
        and I will carry you away beyond BABYLON.

Even Godly people kept time by the sun, moon and stars: however the Israelites WORSHIPPED the heavenly bodies and not the creator of the stars.

Many important events were BEGUN on the First day of the week so that they could REST on the seventh

We assemble on the FIRST day of the week to carry on the WORK of teaching (only) the Word of God (only) and preaching the Lord's Death by the Lord's Supper. Then, just like the patternism of God we get to REST on the SEVENTH day while the SDA continues to WORK after God CEASED.

Heb. 4:7 Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David,
       To day, after so long a time; as it is said,
       To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.
Heb. 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest,
        then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.

blituri

Here's is what you are COMMANDED by a Holy Convocation and what was REPEATED as a SYNAGOGUE function: This began on the FIRST and SEVENTH days of festival and came to be each REST day after they were settled. 


That was commanded by CHRIST, was never changed for those NOT of the cursed tribe of Levi, was exampled by Jesus, was commanded as the EKKLESIA and the first two SYNAGOGUE Christ attended was on the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. This did not disturb the Sabbath REST which God ordained and  when no WORSHIP SERVICE was held other than falling on your face.

Amo

Do what ever you want on the first day blituri, there is no command or instruction regarding it in the scriptures.

Regarding the seventh day, you are to twisted in the mind to even converse with.  Jesus kept the Sabbath.  He taught in the synagogues on the Sabbath, and He healed on the Sabbath, and also corrected many false ideas the Jews had about the Sabbath.  I suggest you learn from Him, and stop twisting scripture and definitions to say what you wish them to say.  In any case, you must know that I will listen to scripture, and my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, over you.  He spoke about the Sabbath many times, and never mentioned any of the craziness you are referring to.

Matt 12:10 And, behold, there was a man which had his hand withered. And they asked him, saying, Is it lawful to heal on the sabbath days? that they might accuse him.
11 And he said unto them, What man shall there be among you, that shall have one sheep, and if it fall into a pit on the sabbath day, will he not lay hold on it, and lift it out?
12 How much then is a man better than a sheep? Wherefore it is lawful to do well on the sabbath days.


Learn from your Lord and Savior sir.  It is lawful to do good on the sabbath day, and worshipping God most certainly is good.  Stop contradicting what God has said about His Sabbath.  Your web of deception is becoming increasingly tangled.

djconklin

#58
Neat quote I just found:

"Now the Syrian cult of the Sol Invictus, the invincible sun, officially introduced into Rome by the Emperor Aurelian (270-275) absorbed and supeseded all other heathen religions, and formed a bridge for the dominance of Christianity, thus contributing not a little to the complete and unconditioned ascendance of this day over the week." Karl Budde, The Sabbath and the Week," Journal of Theological Studies 30/117 (Oct. 1928): 2.
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QuoteThe Sabbath was never a day of WORSHIP: Rest means rest as in the word Rest.
1) And what were all the Jews doing on the Sabbath in Christ's time?
2) Why were they going to the synagogue?
3) An hour before your post I explicitly pointed to Lev. 23:3 which calls the Sabbath "a holy convocation" (i.e., day of worship).

Quotethe cursed tribe of Levi,
Really?  Said who?

blituri

A Holy Convocation was NOT a worship day: it was a day of REST and study of the Word of God. As the synagogue which met on the REST DAYS (not necessarily the SEVENTH) excluded vocal or instrumental rejoicing. The BIBLE STUDY on the Sabbath QUARANTINED the decent people FROM the Temple which had been abandoned to paganism.

The Jews attended synagogue as a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE with no preaching, singing or taking up a tax.  Jesus attended the synagogues because THAT'S WHERE THE PEOPLE WERE. Simple?

Yes, that's right: Jesus had not yet died and preached in the SYNAGOGUE by standing up to READ and then sitting down decently and in order. The synagogue "never had a praise service" because of a direct command and common decency when you meet ONLY to read and learn a portion of the Scripture. Christianity is a discipline and not CEREMONIAL LEGALISM.

Jesus defined the TRUE REST in Isaiah 58 which outlaws all that you do and in Isaiah 55 commanded us NOT to spend our money on the FREE WATER OF THE WORD.

The Church of Christ was fully developed in the PROPHETS which repudiated the Civil-Military-Clergy as robbers and parasites and denied that the sacrifices had been COMMANDED before they PROFANED the Sabbath by engaging in the MYSTERIES which was not the Lord's Supper.

Peter said that the prophecies had BEEN MADE MORE PERFECT as Jesus fulfilled ALL of the prophecies concerning HIM. When those were fulfilled the SHADOW or Covenant with DEATH would be annulled by His fulfilling all of the types of the festivals ONCE AND FOR ALL.

The command to the CHURCH is to give heed to these PROPHECIES filled full by Christ as the only way to allow the DAY STAR to arise in their hearts.  There was no command to teach the SCRIBAL RECORDS of a monarchy totally abandoned to BABYLONIANISM from whence we get the sabbath WORSHIP and the Tithe of wages.

REST on the SABBATH but SABBATH does not mean SEVENTH DAY of our calendar.  If you start working on Sunday then REST on Saturday but the Christian SCHOOL (only) of the BIBLE (only) is not pegged to the stars,  moons and plannets. If they decide that we need to slip the calendar by one day then we might study the Bible and take the Lord's Supper on your old Saturday and it would make no difference.

Connected to the MYSTERIES they observed on the seventh day, SATURN (666) was the major God of Saturday. Apollo (Abaddon, Apollyon) was also big time on the SEVENTH day.

After the resurrection the first TWO assemblies (synagogues) that Jesus held with His disciples was on the FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK.  Holding church on the SABBATH would get you hurt in most of that world.

djconklin

QuoteA Holy Convocation was NOT a worship day
1) According to whom?

2) According to what standard?

3) Who set the rule?

QuoteAs the synagogue which met on the REST DAYS (not necessarily the SEVENTH) excluded vocal or instrumental rejoicing.
1) Who said that the rest days only happened on the Sabbath?

2) Where's the proof of the excluion you mentioned?

QuoteThe Jews attended synagogue as a SCHOOL OF THE BIBLE with no preaching, singing or taking up a tax.
Please show  us the proof.

QuoteThe synagogue "never had a praise service"
1) Who said that there was one?

2) Who said that there had to be one?

Quotebecause of a direct command and common decency when you meet ONLY to read and learn a portion of the Scripture.
I'd like to see the biblical support for that.

QuoteREST on the SABBATH but SABBATH does not mean SEVENTH DAY of our calendar.
If you don't know which day is the seventh day, then you don't know which day is the first day (the day Christ arose from the dead) either.

djconklin

Quote
Quote
The SDA people really twist ALL historic scholars badly and depend primarily on quotes of their OWN theologians who are like all theologians who LIFT better than a pickpocket.
1) "The SDA people"--all in one lump, eh?  We're all alike?  None of us actually look at the historical works?  ...

2) Where was the "twist" in the quotes from Sozomen and Socrates?

2) "All"? Why do the critics need to lie so badly?  Is their cause really that weak?

3) Socrates and Sozomen were SDA's? 1300 years ahead of time?  Maybe it was time-travel.  Got proof that all of the quotes were from SDA scholars?

I'm still waiting for the answers to these simple questions.

blituri

#62
It doesn't matter to me when the first day of the week comes: you cannot honor the SABBATH (means REST: NOT WORSHIP) and continue the festivals without a stargazer like David's Gad.  You can REDEFINE the SEVENTH but you don't keep it. If you did and also tithed that would mark you with Babylonianism just like the Israelites.

Christians do not have any "holy days" that would be idolatry. The First Day of the week like the meaning of synagogue has a Set-Time-Place so that people who travel for hours know when and where to come together.  Jesus synagogued with the disciples on the FIRST day of the week: somehow every one knew the plan and showed up the NEXT first day of the week.  Paul had to wait all week in Troas until the widely scattered disciples came together on the First day of the week.  No one but those celebrating the ancient "mysteries" ever showed up on the SEVENTH day to observe the Lord's Supper.  Jesus was still a DEAD JESUS on the Sabbath: how can you remember Him as a resurrected Savior and leave Him in the tomb: is that on purpose.

Here are some facts about the Church of Christ which began in the wilderness: the only change was the addition of the Lord's Supper and PROTECTED the people by leaving the REST day for people to REST, met on the first day of the week.

http://www.piney.com/Synagogue1.html

Why did it meet on the FIRST DAY instead of the superstitious seventh day (not called sabbath)?  Why, they did that because NONE of the SUN or Starry Host to which God abandoned Israel were worshipped on the FIRST day.

To say that the mostly military Mithra people venerated the sun does not mean that there is any evidence that they held a "worship ritual" on the first day. The worship of Mithra EXCLUDED women and was outslawed shortly after Constantine.

The Church in the wilderness met on the SEVENTH day in their homes or very close to QUARANTINE them from the usuall SEVENT DAY worships meaning religious ceremonials thinking to have power over the gods.  The QAHAL or synagogue defines ONLY reading and rehearsing: that is what Paul commanded and practiced as a school of the Bible. Paul's ONLY worship word other than to fall on your face was to GIVE HEED to the word of God.

Pretty simple: Jesus sent people out to make DISCIPLES. Disciples are students. Jesus commanded that they teach what HE had taught and revealed through the prophets and apostles. He did not command them to observe the practices of WORSHIPING THE SUN, MOON AND STARS which always happened on SATURN'S DAY.

The Jews worshipped the SUN on the seventh day of the week while those NOT of the cursed tribe of Levi went to church to worship God meaning to give heed ot God's words.

The Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon (the Devil) was worshipped on the SEVENTH DAY of the week. Apollo was considered the SUN God in Rome along with SATURN often called the SUN.

The emasculated worshipers of Cybele their goddess worshipped on the SEVENTH day of the week.

It is a mistake to say that they celebrated the MYSTERIES on the SEVENT day and conclude that to be the Lord's Supper.  It is not: just like the Jews it was the worship of the SUN and SERPENTS to which God ABANDONED Israel because of musical idolatry: DON'T take God's curse as God's pattern for us. REST on the sevent day and don't PROFANE it with music as they did at Mount Sinai.

Many Christians continued the same Bacchus or Dionysus worship to which God abandoned them at Moun tSinai.

Christian Ophites, therefore, preserving the memory of their Bacchanalian orgies, would naturally confound the observances of the Lord's Supper with the practices incident to their heathen festival. The hymn with which they concluded their idolatrous ceremonies, addressed through the serpent to the Supreme Father, is a memorial of the hymn sung to Python on every seventh day at Delphi   These opinions of the Gnostic Ophites were blended with the old Magian superstition of Persia by Manes, a celebrated heretic of the third century; who revived ophiolatreia, in his native country, under the name of Christianity Worship of serpents, Deane

djconklin

#63
QuoteSABBATH (means REST: NOT WORSHIP)
No proof for this claim.

Quotecontinue the festivals without a stargazer like David's Gad.
Didn't say anything about the festivals, so I don't need a stargazer.

QuotePaul had to wait all week in Troas until the widely scattered disciples came together on the First day of the week.
Paul left Troas on Sunday morning.  They met that Sabbath and then had another meeting after sundown, till midnight.

QuoteJesus was still a DEAD JESUS on the Sabbath: how can you remember Him as a resurrected Savior and leave Him in the tomb: is that on purpose.
It shows that Jesus kept the Sabbath, even in death.

QuoteWhy did it meet on the FIRST DAY instead of the superstitious seventh day (not called sabbath)?
The seventh day is usually regarded as a positive, nothing superstitious about it.

Most Christians even as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath.

djconklin

In the Theological Wordbook Of the Old Testament, edited by R. Laird Harris, Gleason L. Archer, Jr., and Bruce K. Waltke, vol. 2, page 811, under "miqra'. Convocation, reading." we find that it involved "a formal summoning of the people to worship by the blast of trumpets (Num 10:2, 10 ..." and that "The godly were to focus their time and effort on worship." (emphasis added)

djconklin

QuoteWhy did it meet on the FIRST DAY instead of the superstitious seventh day (not called sabbath)?
You might be thinking of the Babylonian superstitions.

"But those Babylonian seventh days are not days of joy, as the Sabbath is in Israel, but days of evil ..."

Karl Budde, The Sabbath and the Week," Journal of Theological Studies 30/117 (Oct. 1928): 6.
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"Now the Syrian cult of the Sol Invictus, the invincible sun, officially introduced into Rome by the Emperor Aurelian (270-275) absorbed and supeseded all other heathen religions, and formed a bridge for the dominance of Christianity, thus contributing not a little to the complete and unconditioned ascendance of this day over the week."

Karl Budde, The Sabbath and the Week," Journal of Theological Studies 30/117 (Oct. 1928): 2.

blituri

See John Calvin who along with most historic scholars understand the nature of the Church in the wilderness which OUTLAWED even calling the assembly with the 'vocal or instrumental rejoicing' sounds:

http://www.piney.com/Calvin.Numbers.10.html

God only ordained two silver trumpets: they were reserved for sending signals. You will remember that Paul defined speaking in a strange language "in church" to the sending of unsure signals. That agrees with all evidence that the "sounds" were never used AS worship but to signal various events. After the fall into musical idolatry at Moung Sinai God assigned the tribe of Levi--already cursed by their father--to carry out the worship of the starry host.  At the same time the Qahal, synagogue or church in the wilderness was never called WORSHIP in the sense of modern ceremonial legalism.  The Holy Convocation:


God never demanded WORSHIP SERVICES in the sense that people perform rituals as a way to appease God: in paganism and especially a mark of the tongues in Corinth of the Mad Women they MIGHT be cursing the gods for not producing a good crop.

    Every seven years, that is in the year of release, during the feast of Tabernacles, the Law was to be read before all the people according to the command found in Deut., xxxi, 10. But this enactment was probably soon found to be impracticable; and thus the Jewish authorities arranged to read on every sabbath, commencing with the sabbath after the feast of Tabernacles in one year of release and ending with the feast of Tabernacles in the next year of release, a portion of the Law so calculated that the whole Pentateuch would be read through in seven years. This would in some way the commandment be fulfilled. Some time later, the Jews of Palestine lengthened the sections for each sabbath in such a manner that he entire Law could be read in three years (Talm. Babyl. Megillah, 29b).

The faithful Israelites never varied from holding BIBLE CLASS on the Sabbath which was the day the Levites--an old Egyptian cul--were PROFANING the Sabbath by sacrificing animals.  For the faithful the Jewish source note that instruments were never used on the Sabbath for the NON-abandoned people.  The DIVERTERS I believe are assigned their names by God as a Mark: Zoe is Lucifer the singing and harp playing prostitute. Halal is the PRAISE word which means to make yourself vile. It has the same meaning as the PROFANING the Sabbath translated as play the flute, steal your inheritance (cutting of roots mystery), pollute or prostitute. The PRAISE word is the root for LUCIFER.

The only "worship" words used by Peter and Paul meant to "give heed to the Word of God."  The synagogue never had a praise service because of a direct command and commone decency and reverence.

Numbers 10:[7]  But when the assembly is to be gathered together,
        you shall blow,
        but you shall not sound an alarm.


The Alarm is the "triump over" word Judas would use to try to defeat Jesus: the Judas bag was "for carrying the mouthpieces of wind instruments." The word SOP root for Psallo caused Satan to take over Judas.

7321., roo-ah´; a primitive root; to mar (especially by breaking); figuratively, to split the ears (with sound), i.e. shout (for alarm or joy):—blow an alarm, cry (alarm, aloud, out), destroy, make a joyful noise, smart, shout (for joy), sound an alarm, triumph.

8643. truw{ah, ter-oo-aw´; from 7321; clamor, i.e. acclamation of joy or a battle-cry; especially clangor of trumpets, as an alarum:—alarm, blow(- ing) (of, the) (trumpets), joy, JUBILE, loud noise, rejoicing, shout(-ing), (high, joyful) sound(-ing).


Latin [7] quando autem congregandus est populus simplex tubarum clangor erit et non concise ululabunt

The church or congregation is defined as an ACADEMIA: this was opposite to the academia of the cynics who were the DOGS Paul excluded from worship IN THE SPIRIT. This is opposite to IN THE FLESH.  Therefore, worship is giving attention to God through HIS words (Ours outlawed Isa 58 and all of the not-musical passages)

    Con-grĕgo Congrego Academia congregation.  where plato taught, scholars are called Academici, and his doctrine Philosophia Academica.. The philosophy of the Acadamy,  instaret academia, quae quidquid dixisses,

    You don't MAKE MUSIC when the professor is teaching silly people! This was OPPOSITE the Acadamy of the Cynics.

The sound to assemble the later congregations to their sub-tribal leaders was:

    Simplex I. In gen., simple, plain, uncompounded, unmixed

That is opposite of the sounds used for SIGNALS ONLY: when Moses came down to the musical idolatry he recognized THREE legal signals: the sould of WAR, the sound of DEFEAT (retreat) or as he said IT IS SINGING THAT I HEAR.  Historic scholars and the definition of words identify their WORSHIP as musical idolatry and therefore the PROFANED the SABBATH (means REST, not seventh).

The sounds of musical IDOLATRY is the word included in the Latin text:

    Tuba Apart from military purposes, it was used on various occasions, as at religious festivals, games, funerals,

    b. Sonorous, elevated epic poetry,
    c. A lofty style of speaking,
    II. Trop.: tuba belli civilis, i. e. exciter , author, instigato


Not even "it is the sound of singing that I hear" says Moses was heard before the year 373 and like all ADDITIONS of music started and starts a CIVIL WAR: music was what split the Eastern from the Western Church and the Catholics confess that like many other things "they added music because it was common to all pagan cults."

Cicero F 6. The passport has not been issued at once,
         owing to the amazing rascality of certain persons,
         who would have been bitterly annoyed at a pardon being granted to you,
         whom that party call the "bugle of the civil war"--
         and a good many observations to the same effect are made by them,
         as though they were not positively glad of that war having occurred.


With most Bible based groups, people have set out to intentionally start a CIVIL WAR by saying that the curse of the instruments used to wordhip the starry host was the SPIRIT telling them to impose "instrumental praise." This knowing that they would be the trumpet of civil war to do a hostile takeover of happy churches of Christ.

Fittingly, they have used the SABBATH which was the day of STAR and SUN worship in Jerusalem, Greece and Rome as the SET-TIME-PLACE to introduce the instruments. Remembering that the STAR WORSHIPERS could PROFANE the Sabbath with music because God had ABANDONED them to that.  The SOUNDS never called music was the MARK for those not of the cursed sector to GET OUT and never look back at their stolen church houses and broken friendships and families.

Plato Republic

[411a] "Certainly." "And that of the ill adjusted is cowardiy and rude?" "It surely is."
"Now when a man abandons himself to music to play 1 upon him and pour 2 into his soul as it were through the funnel of his ears those sweet, soft, and dirge-like airs of which we were just now3 speaking, and gives his entire time to the warblings and blandishments of song, the first result is that the principle of high spirit, if he had it,


      Note 1. kat-auleô, A. charm by flute-playing, methuôn kai katauloumenos "don't 
      get drunk with wine'] drinking wine to the strains of the flute, subdued by a flute accompaniment,
      metaph, to be piped down, ridiculed,

       II. in Pass., [ton monochordon kanona] parechein tais aisthêsesi . . katauloumenon
       SUBDUED by a flute accompaniment, Ptol.Harm.2.12: metaph., to be PIPED down, RIDICULED, hupauleô ,
       play on the flute in accompaniment, one who played women's characters in male attire,


[411b] is softened like iron and is made useful instead of useless and brittle. But when he continues the practice without remission and is spellbound, the effect begins to be that he melts and liquefies till he completely dissolves away his spirit, cuts out as it were the very sinews of his soul and makes of himself a 'feeble  warrior.'

djconklin

QuoteGod never demanded WORSHIP SERVICES in the sense that people perform rituals as a way to appease God:
No one has argued that He did.  But, He does expect you to worship Him on the Sabbath, while you rest from your physical labors.  The Sabbath in miniature shows that you are resting in Him and that you recognize that only your Creator can save you and sanctify you.

QuoteIt was the MILLERITES who led the Disciples astray for the 1843 return and it is the SDA or Jews who have led all of those IMPOSING the sounds of CIVIL WAR always given a flight test on the SABBATH.
Actually, strike one, it was Jesus who told His disciples to pray that their flight would not be on the Sabbath (which is rather odd if the Sabbath was abolished at His death and the flight took place approximately 35 years later).

Matthew 24:20  But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

SDA's are only quilty of pointing it out to people.  The Millerirtes knew nothing about the Sabbath--strike two.

QuoteThe SABBATH is also the mark of Apollo, Abaddon or Apollyon in Revelation.
Care to show us the verses?

Quoteas well as the TITHE was part of the eternal Babylonianism the Israelites practiced in Egypt,
Care to show us the proof?

Most Christians even as late as the 5th century kept the Sabbath.

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