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Started by k-pappy, Fri Dec 25, 2009 - 14:21:34

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HFGirl

I've been so busy at work, I haven't had a chance to go out to a movie for so long.   I hope this is still in at least one theatre when I get around to being able to go...I doubt it though. 

I might have to see it on DVD.

Orion7

The movie was excellent ; it's worth getting on BLUE-RAY .

Lukasaurus

Most people have already covered the negative spiritual aspects of the film, so I don't need to go there

As a film, I think it is amazing in a technical sense, but drops short in terms of storytelling

Why are the humans so intent on wiping out another species? This is the future right? There is no explanation given, except that they want some mineral, which I am sure is elsewhere on the planet as well.

Since the humans know Jake is now in amongst them, and "one of them" why do they not attempt to communicate with the Na'vi. Jake never mentions that the humans don't want the tree, but the stuff under it.

The military leader is evil for no apparent reason. He has no grudge against the Na'vi that we know of, but is intent on wiping them out simply because he can. He shows no remorse, no second thought, no hesitation that what he is doing is wrong. He is only there purely to drive the plot.

Sigourney Weaver and the other guy become pointless once they enter their Avatars. They serve no purpose except for people to say "It really looks like Sigourney!".

I didn't think there was any character development. The girl Na'vi (forget her name) remains the same throughout the film. In fact, all of them do, with the exception of the young upstart who learns that Jake isn't too bad after all.

Jake doesn't change. Mainly because we don't know who he is before His avatar insertion. He is a guy with no legs. A marine. How did he lose his legs? Why is he so keen to replace his brother.

All in all, the movie was entertaining, but unsatisfying. It was good to look at, but it didn't leave me thinking about anything worth thinking about.

xpressmyfaith

I've heard that some people were depressed after seeing the movie because of their longing for Pandora. When meeting back with reality the Pandora seemed so unreachable to them. Isn't the depiction of  beauty and experiences on Pandora an attempt to resemble what Heaven might be like? Isn't it what all humans are deep down longing for? What a blessing that us, Christians have certainty of Heaven. And it will probably look 100 times better than Pandora and all of the experiences will probably be 100 times more exciting than in Pandora without the conflict. Thank you Jesus!

Mrs.Love

This was and is a great movie. I went to the movies to see it with my husband. I am strong in my faith, so the nature stuff and loving family stuff did not bother me. It was actually a reminder of our families joining together. For the ones who mentioned James Cameron being ungodly, we do not know who is ungodly in public, could be your waiter, doctor, store clerk or whoever we face daily. Just don't go out thinking who is and who's not a Christian. The movie in and of itself is not a blasphemy.

Elaine

Didn't want to see it bec I thought it was cartoonish. But it has humans in it.

One man in the miitary was portrayed as insensitive.
He led the others in his speech as any leader or coach peps up the team...
whether with lies or truth -they say what they must to get the job done.
So the military, per se, were not portrayed as "bad". Just the Boss man.

Corporations and Greed running the military were the culprits- caring only about profits to stockholders in 3 months.

Spritually it portrayed the understanding of all beings being connected.
And that there is a Presence that can be tapped into.
The understanding of that Presence allows It to be accessed and when you ask that Power you receive and all that surrounds you will come to your aid.

Sounds like my life. (That last part.)





janine

Missed it in the theaters, saw the first part at a friend's house on their gigantic (like, 6 foot by 8 foot) TV.  It was lovely, will likely go and watch the whole thing sometime.

Only saw as far as Jake getting brought home to the girl's father, though.  Perhaps there's more "story" to it farther along, but up until that point it's nothing we haven't seen before.

As for the inter-connectedness of all things -- Scripture does say in Him we live and move and exist and Ephesians 4:16 and Colossians 2:19 both talk about how we're held together in Christ, and the whole creation groans, waiting for the Lord's return...  We are surrounded always by connections, and influences by the same forces as all other living things.  There's nothing wrong with feeling that interconnectedness.

And, if I'm not mistaken, though I haven't seen the whole thing yet -- Is not the story saying that Pandora IS, basically, alive?  Or at least that the interconnectedness of the life there makes for some sort of... mind? force? will? seeking of balance?  So if that is the storyline, I can't see how it's a bad thing that the story supports not ruining a living world.  That's the story.

k-pappy

I read an interview with James Cameron in Entertainment Weekly where he admitted the movie an anti-military, pro-environment theme/agenda.  He also claimed he supported ecoterrorism.

His words, not mine.

bond

Cally

#43
Quote from: BondServant on Fri May 21, 2010 - 13:11:43
I read an interview with James Cameron in Entertainment Weekly where he admitted the movie an anti-military, pro-environment theme/agenda.  He also claimed he supported ecoterrorism.

His words, not mine.

bond

This doesn't surprise me. Like the military bad guy made no sense in this movie. Did he really care so much about the "unobtainium," or were the writers (i.e. Cameron) just expecting the audience to think "oh yes, we all just know that military guys just like to kill, kill, kill," so that should be good enough to explain his motivation?

It pains me to think THIS is the highest-grossing film in history. But hey, I paid $1 to see it.

I mean, Cameron glorifies up and down the fictional Na'vi culture, but is he about to abandon technology and start hunting with bows and arrows?

So what in the world is left, here? I guess underneath the mess lies a message about not exploiting people which you can vaguely grab onto against all the other mess. But the bottom line is that the characters were weak, and often all-out unbelievable, dependent on the audience to recognize cliches to tell a really dumb made-by-a-committee story.

Everybody talks about the visuals, although the specific highlight to me was the cinematography, bordering on ingenious.

Cally

#44
This was one of the funniest things I have ever heard (excerpt from an Entertainment Weekly Interview):

"[Avatar made] me want to hurl abusive insults at my cat and go outside and punch a tree."

rofl

Right. Just to double-check if the cat actually cares about being insulted and the tree cares about being punched.  rofl

AshleighNA

love love love love love it!

I found it very enjoyable and interesting. I'm into movies that are "odd" like that though.
The visual was great and the creatures were unique. I thought it was cute that a guy who couldn't walk could walk there. It reminded me of how Heaven will be, since you won't have to deal with things like that.


Elaine

Quote from: AshleighNA on Tue May 25, 2010 - 22:57:55
love love love love love it!

I found it very enjoyable and interesting. I'm into movies that are "odd" like that though.
The visual was great and the creatures were unique. I thought it was cute that a guy who couldn't walk could walk there. It reminded me of how Heaven will be, since you won't have to deal with things like that.
I'm glad you brought up Heaven.
:)

golden

i love this movie very much

Lady_Ashanti

I thought the movie was wonderful...the visuals were beautiful and the special effects were "off the chain"...loved it!

The plot wasn't so "off point" either...I have seen many movies over the years of people coming in to take what belonged to others, destroying them, and being over come in the end...

That part was sad however it was good to see one stand for what was fair and right...

I will buy it for my video library...

Elaine

Quote from: Lady_Ashanti on Sat Jul 10, 2010 - 18:16:10
I thought the movie was wonderful...the visuals were beautiful and the special effects were "off the chain"...loved it!
The plot wasn't so "off point" either...I have seen many movies over the years of people coming in to take what belonged to others, destroying them, and being over come in the end...
That part was sad however it was good to see one stand for what was fair and right...
I will buy it for my video library...
You mean you're going to own it even tho "it denigrates the military"?  rofl
I'm buying it, too.
I love to hear when people saw it with their hearts.

k-pappy

Quote from: Elaine on Sun Jul 11, 2010 - 08:56:58
Quote from: Lady_Ashanti on Sat Jul 10, 2010 - 18:16:10
I thought the movie was wonderful...the visuals were beautiful and the special effects were "off the chain"...loved it!
The plot wasn't so "off point" either...I have seen many movies over the years of people coming in to take what belonged to others, destroying them, and being over come in the end...
That part was sad however it was good to see one stand for what was fair and right...
I will buy it for my video library...
You mean you're going to own it even tho "it denigrates the military"?  rofl
I'm buying it, too.
I love to hear when people saw it with their hearts.


Elaine, what do you have against the military?  Why are you mocking those who pointed it out?  Cameron admited the anti-military theme.

From your previous post, you seemed to enjoy the new age/spiritualist aspects of the movie and stated that it matched your life.  Do you believe we are connect to the threes and the rocks?

Bond

Elaine

Hi Bond ---it was a m-o-v-i-e.

k-pappy

Yes it was a movie.  It was a movie with anti-military themes as admited by its creator.

Why did you ignore my question?

Bond

Todd Grace

The effects were cool. The political correctness was over the top. Environmental messege as the liberals prescribe. Evil humans destroy and plunder, indigenous people one with nature and spiritually superior.
After almost throwing up I enjoyed it.

Elaine

Quote from: BondServant on Sun Jul 11, 2010 - 10:11:46
Yes it was a movie.  It was a movie with anti-military themes as admited by its creator.
Why did you ignore my question?
Bond

I ignored your question because politics bore me and are a waste of my time- I'm a heart person. Whether JCameron meant it as anti- military or  not I am not aware nor care. It was awhile ago and as I stated in my earlier post after seeing it - it was not anti military as I saw it, as much as anti that bad military leader and execs that were only concerned about profits for their shareholders.

I feel upon a closer look the military per se were fine - they were following orders of a creep.

Now that's it for me - post with another political type person or talk to me about God. Thank you.

k-pappy

Quote from: Elaine on Sun Jul 11, 2010 - 20:52:05
Quote from: BondServant on Sun Jul 11, 2010 - 10:11:46
Yes it was a movie.  It was a movie with anti-military themes as admited by its creator.
Why did you ignore my question?
Bond

I ignored your question because politics bore me and are a waste of my time- I'm a heart person. Whether JCameron meant it as anti- military or  not I am not aware nor care. It was awhile ago and as I stated in my earlier post after seeing it - it was not anti military as I saw it, as much as anti that bad military leader and execs that were only concerned about profits for their shareholders.

I feel upon a closer look the military per se were fine - they were following orders of a creep.

Now that's it for me - post with another political type person or talk to me about God. Thank you.

Elaine, you are wrong...my question was not political, it was spiritual.  I will ask you a THIRD time and hope you do not skirt or avoid the issue as you have been doing.

From your previous post, you seemed to enjoy the new age/spiritualist aspects of the movie and stated that it matched your life.  Do you believe we are connect to the trees and the rocks?

Bond

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