wHY DO YOU PRAY TO MARY JESUS MOTHER SHE CANT HELP YOU ?

[Hehealedme]

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[Jon-Marc]

Since i'm not in any religion that recognizes anyone other than God as worthy of worship or capable of answering prayer, I pray to no one but God. God is a triune God, Father, Son, and Holy Spirit--Three in One.

[chosenone]

Banished...

The only reason I would honor Mary is that she carried Jesus in her womb and then took care of Him as a loving mother should...
But Mary isn't to be honored in the same way as Jesus should be...
Mary isn't part of the Godhead...we are not to pray to her, she is NOT a mediator between God the Father and us, Jesus Christ is...
Mary is a born-again Christian, yes, but she is still a dead and burried mortal human being, waiting in her grave...she was a sinner and in need of a Savior just like the rest of us...

You are right hehealedme. We are not to pray to anyone except to God through Jesus. We are not to pray to any human being whether alive or dead.(or idolise them). Its a waste of time anyway, they cant hear you.

[Hehealedme]

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[banished]

Well, all that I can say is the you guys hold the spiritual high ground, and the 1.2 Billion Catholics on this planet are the lowlife. Which backwoods start up church do you belong to?

[Thankfulldad]

Well, all that I can say is the you guys hold the spiritual high ground, and the 1.2 Billion Catholics on this planet are the lowlife. Which backwoods start up church do you belong to?

Jesus, His church...

[Mrs Mac]

banished said...

First, you must disproving the infallibility of the Catholic Church.

Those are words that speak wisdom. We can tie ourselves in knots arguing with evolutionists that they are wrong . Same goes for Catholicism. If we are not  speaking from commonality there will never even be a place where we can say "I agree to disagree".

It would appear that Catholics place church dogma above Bible doctrine. Or at the very least they run their stuff alongside.

There is no room for discussion with those who are in fear or are influenced by wrong teachings. It is ingrained.

Praying for an individual  that God would open their minds to truth is the only thing that works.

[Roshan Turner]

 What is the truth then ?

[banished]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

[Hehealedme]

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[Mrs Mac]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

See what I mean? the Bible takes no place in Catholic teachings. Very unwise banished. 

[Kathy_52]

Mrs Mac said...

There is no room for discussion with those who are in fear or are influenced by wrong teachings. It is ingrained.

Praying for an individual  that God would open their minds to truth is the only thing that works.

Very wise words Mrs Mac 

[Roshan Turner]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

See what I mean? the Bible takes no place in Catholic teachings. Very unwise banished. 

answer my question

[Roshan Turner]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

mt 24v4: And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5: For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. now there goes the pope

[Mrs Mac]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

See what I mean? the Bible takes no place in Catholic teachings. Very unwise banished. 

answer my question

If you mean the op question, there is no point in praying to her so no reason to ask why. 

[banished]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

See what I mean? the Bible takes no place in Catholic teachings. Very unwise banished. 

answer my question

If you mean the op question, there is no point in praying to her so no reason to ask why. 

Mrs Mac,

The British hated the Catholics so bad that they wrote there own Bible, the King James Version. And of course, they reworded Luke 1:28 so that Mary would not be honored.

The Catholic Church teaches that us through the "Magisterium" (teaching authority of the Pope and United Bishops). The Church has protected the "deposit of the Faith" and passed it on by Sacred/Apostolic Tradition for 2,000 years. She has always known what is meant in Luke 1:28. "Hail Mary full of grace" 

[Mrs Mac]

banished,
There was a lot of hatred on both sides to the point of Christians being tortured. I thank God that it is He that is even now protecting His word against the constant assault of Scripture changers.

If the word read "Hail Mary full of grace" that would mean nothing more to me than what He says to me now, "Hail my child, full of grace", because that is what I am.

I don't accept man made doctrines be they Catholic Popes or Mormons. Sola Scriptura!

Back it up with Scripture or it has no authority over our lives. 

[andyang]

If you pray to Her  she seems to listen

[chosenone]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

See what I mean? the Bible takes no place in Catholic teachings. Very unwise banished. 

answer my question

If you mean the op question, there is no point in praying to her so no reason to ask why. 

Mrs Mac,

The British hated the Catholics so bad that they wrote there own Bible, the King James Version. And of course, they reworded Luke 1:28 so that Mary would not be honored.

The Catholic Church teaches that us through the "Magisterium" (teaching authority of the Pope and United Bishops). The Church has protected the "deposit of the Faith" and passed it on by Sacred/Apostolic Tradition for 2,000 years. She has always known what is meant in Luke 1:28. "Hail Mary full of grace" 

This is what you have been told but it isnt true The Bible as it is is what we are to go by. Anyone who adds or takes away from the Bible is in serious error.The pope is no closer to God than you or I. he is a human, a man and fallible just as anyone else is except Jesus. We have Jesus, we dont need Mary or the Pope. Jesus is all we need to be saved. I find it so hard to believe that so many are in such serious error. It is seriously worrying and tragic.

[Roshan Turner]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

See what I mean? the Bible takes no place in Catholic teachings. Very unwise banished. 

answer my question

If you mean the op question, there is no point in praying to her so no reason to ask why. 

Mrs Mac,

The British hated the Catholics so bad that they wrote there own Bible, the King James Version. And of course, they reworded Luke 1:28 so that Mary would not be honored.

The Catholic Church teaches that us through the "Magisterium" (teaching authority of the Pope and United Bishops). The Church has protected the "deposit of the Faith" and passed it on by Sacred/Apostolic Tradition for 2,000 years. She has always known what is meant in Luke 1:28. "Hail Mary full of grace" 

This is what you have been told but it isnt true The Bible as it is is what we are to go by. Anyone who adds or takes away from the Bible is in serious error.The pope is no closer to God than you or I. he is a human, a man and fallible just as anyone else is except Jesus. We have Jesus, we dont need Mary or the Pope. Jesus is all we need to be saved. I find it so hard to believe that so many are in such serious error. It is seriously worrying and tragic.

amen

[banished]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

See what I mean? the Bible takes no place in Catholic teachings. Very unwise banished.  

answer my question

If you mean the op question, there is no point in praying to her so no reason to ask why.  

Mrs Mac,

The British hated the Catholics so bad that they wrote there own Bible, the King James Version. And of course, they reworded Luke 1:28 so that Mary would not be honored.

The Catholic Church teaches that us through the "Magisterium" (teaching authority of the Pope and United Bishops). The Church has protected the "deposit of the Faith" and passed it on by Sacred/Apostolic Tradition for 2,000 years. She has always known what is meant in Luke 1:28. "Hail Mary full of grace"  

This is what you have been told but it isnt true The Bible as it is is what we are to go by. Anyone who adds or takes away from the Bible is in serious error.The pope is no closer to God than you or I. he is a human, a man and fallible just as anyone else is except Jesus. We have Jesus, we dont need Mary or the Pope. Jesus is all we need to be saved. I find it so hard to believe that so many are in such serious error. It is seriously worrying and tragic.

chosenone,

I am half Irish and you are British, so we are talking about nationalism because of the Irish wanting to break away from the Queen Mother.

farouk is Canadian and I am half French Canadian, so we are talking about nationalism there also because the French Canadians want to break away from the Queen Mother.

Ask yourself this question: Why are the Catholics revolted from your christian charity?

Mary the mother of Jesus is one element of the christian faith that stays with a man until death, "pray for us sinner now and at the hour of our death". Even if that element of faith is a fraud like you say, how do you expect to convince 1.2 Billion catholics to ask the Queen Mother to pray for them at the hour of their death.

Get my point? We are talking about politics at the expense of honoring the mother of Jesus. Count me out!

[walker starr]

   Some people pray to Hara Krishna.  I have heard it works for them.

[chosenone]

banished this has nothing to do with politics or what nationality we are. It has to do with what the Bible says or doesn't say.

[banished]

banished this has nothing to do with politics or what nationality we are. It has to do with what the Bible says or doesn't say.

You guys wrote your own bible.

[EJ]

Mathew 7:13

1.2 billion Catholics?  Well..........

"The Narrow and Wide Gates
13-"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14-But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Banished, your Catholic doctrine has gotten me very frightened for the Salvation of my Catholic friends.  I hope very much they see its errors and turn from those errors to God's Truth--Jesus.

[banished]

Mathew 7:13

1.2 billion Catholics?  Well..........

"The Narrow and Wide Gates
13-"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14-But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Banished, your Catholic doctrine has gotten me very frightened for the Salvation of my Catholic friends.  I hope very much they see its errors and turn from those errors to God's Truth--Jesus.

EJ,

What does honoring Mary or not honoring Mary have to do with Salvation? The answer is ZERO!

Like I have pointed out, it has everthing to do with the cheap politics of the christian faith. I have said before and I will say again, the only way to put an end to the politics is to recognize that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.

"The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians."

By the way, I am excommunicated, so don't count me as Catholic.

[Debbie_55]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

take notice of verse 9 as vicar means Father and we only have one Father which is God himself and the Pope is nothing more than a mere man like all the rest of us, but demands respect and praise of his people and God also said they He is no respecter of person.

Mat 23:1  Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2  Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3  All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4  For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5  But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6  And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7  And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8  But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

[banished]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

take notice of verse 9 as vicar means Father and we only have one Father which is God himself and the Pope is nothing more than a mere man like all the rest of us, but demands respect and praise of his people and God also said they He is no respecter of person.

Mat 23:1  Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2  Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3  All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4  For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5  But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6  And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7  And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8  But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Debbie_55,

Those were some good bible verses.  I am sure that the backwoods churches will pickup on verse 9 and the mess will continue.

[chosenone]

banished this has nothing to do with politics or what nationality we are. It has to do with what the Bible says or doesn't say.

You guys wrote your own bible.

Thats what you like to think but it is the Bible that EVERYONE uses. I think it is the Catholics that like to make their own doctrines up regardless of what Gods word says.
If we are saying that the Bible isnt correct and is fallible then we are disagreeing with what God has said that it is His inspired word.
I am sure that God is perfectly capable of making sure that what HE wanted in the Bible is what is IN the BIble. if the only way that you can believe and justify what you do, is to start saying that the Bible is wrong then cant you see where you are going???  Seriously concerning. Hardly any of the doctrines that you believe are in the Bible. Doesn't that bother you at all? It would me.

[chosenone]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

take notice of verse 9 as vicar means Father and we only have one Father which is God himself and the Pope is nothing more than a mere man like all the rest of us, but demands respect and praise of his people and God also said they He is no respecter of person.

Mat 23:1  Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2  Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3  All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4  For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5  But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6  And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7  And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8  But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Debbie_55,

Those were some good bible verses.  I am sure that the backwoods churches will pickup on verse 9 and the mess will continue.

Yes, just one more false teaching.

[banished]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

take notice of verse 9 as vicar means Father and we only have one Father which is God himself and the Pope is nothing more than a mere man like all the rest of us, but demands respect and praise of his people and God also said they He is no respecter of person.

Mat 23:1  Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2  Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3  All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4  For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5  But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6  And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7  And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8  But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Debbie_55,

Those were some good bible verses.  I am sure that the backwoods churches will pickup on verse 9 and the mess will continue.

Yes, just one more false teaching.

chosenone,

I started a thread in the "Catholic Section" asking the question, but I'm pretty sure that the Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power. As a result, for us Christians the Pope is Jesus? Lets wait to see what the Catholic Section has to say about it.

[banished]

What is the truth then ?

The truth is that the backwoods start up churches in America are half-baked.  The Pope takes the place of Jesus Christ on earth...by divine right the Pope has supreme and full power in faith, in morals over each and every pastor and his flock. He is the true vicar, the head of the entire church, the father and teacher of all Christians

take notice of verse 9 as vicar means Father and we only have one Father which is God himself and the Pope is nothing more than a mere man like all the rest of us, but demands respect and praise of his people and God also said they He is no respecter of person.

Mat 23:1  Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples,
Mat 23:2  Saying, The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
Mat 23:3  All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
Mat 23:4  For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers.
Mat 23:5  But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments,
Mat 23:6  And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues,
Mat 23:7  And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.
Mat 23:8  But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.
Mat 23:9  And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

Debbie_55,

In the broadest sense, a vicar is Latin for a representative, anyone acting "in the person of" or agent for a superior. Hillery Clinton is a vicar for Obama.  When visiting a foreign government Hillery speaks as Obama. For all piratical purposes, Hillery is the president of the United States. Jesus chose Peter as His vicar, and Peter passed it on by Sacred/Apostolic Orders to Pope Benedict the Sixteenth. For all pratical purposes, Pope Benedict is Jesus, just like Hillery is Obama.

[Debbie_55]

the only difference between me and the Pope is that he dictates his power and authority by a fleshly rule over his so called people and I take the power and authority that God has given me through His grace and use that power and authority in the name of Jesus to continue in His good works. It's odd how Jesus walks right beside me in Spirit on this earth and it is through that Spirit of God that guides and directs my path, allows me to pray directly to Him and works through me as His ambassador, but you have to take all your guidance and direction from a man then so be it. As for those little back wood churches was it not our founding Fathers of America that set them up to break away from tyranny of a dictatorship!!! You need not answer that.

[chosenone]

I feel sorry for people who think that they cannot come directly to the Father. Becuase of what Jesus has done, we can do that. The curtain was torn in two so that we can come to our Heavenly Dad through Jesus. We dont need Mary, The pope or anyone else in order to do that, we have God Himself. We dont need The Pope to tell us what to do, we have The Bible and The Holy Spirit. We dont need any other mediator or saint or whatever to go to the Father. If The Father cannot help us the Mary or any other person wont be able to help us.

[banished]

I feel sorry for people who think that they cannot come directly to the Father. Becuase of what Jesus has done, we can do that. The curtain was torn in two so that we can come to our Heavenly Dad through Jesus. We dont need Mary, The pope or anyone else in order to do that, we have God Himself. We dont need The Pope to tell us what to do, we have The Bible and The Holy Spirit. We dont need any other mediator or saint or whatever to go to the Father. If The Father cannot help us the Mary or any other person wont be able to help us.

More power to you!