"Eternal Torment-Pagan Belief"

[rarejewel]

Let me clear that up ( before I have a bunch of religious zealots jumping on me)..When I say they used the "Bible", I do not mean the entire bible is wrong...

But, there are a 'few' things in scripture that MAN PUT THERE..and you are sadly mistaken and deceived if you think it is not so.

We have a corrupt institution responsible for putting the "Bible" together. We are talking about an institution that is totally pagan and incorporated everything pagan into the "Holy" church. They worked off of 'fear'..to keep the people afraid..They still work off of fear today and have indoctrinated the MASSES to believe in this fear-based gospel...this is a belief they have.

"You must come through the Holy Roman Catholic Church to be truly saved, if not you will go and burn in hell"...

What better  tool to use than the 'Bible' to be a big part of his ( satan) major deception and work?

Amazing..Amazing...Amazing...

[rarejewel]

Yes, I sure am a DIE HARD ULTIMATE RECONCILIATION BELIEVER!    

And you are a deceived believer by the RCC to believe in this eternal torment theory which is pagan-based..  

I know you are trying to start a debate with in a slick smart way, it won't work.  Sorry...

[gospel]

Yes, I sure am a DIE HARD ULTIMATE RECONCILIATION BELIEVER!    

And you are a deceived believer by the RCC to believe in this eternal torment theory which is pagan-based..  

I know you are trying to start a debate with in a slick smart way, it won't work.  Sorry...

Fortunately UR has its won forum for debate so no I'm not trying to start a debate I'm really just making sure everyone is aware that your theology is rooted in a different doctrine

That's fair isn't it...we should all have an idea of which beliefs each of us is rooted
 

[rarejewel]

   Well, thank you for making sure everybody knows that I have a 'different' doctrine than pagan eternal torment.  

Please do make sure everybody knows that, because I know God will use it to possibly bring another to 'light'. Thank you for that, I appreciate it.  

Just continue to let everybody know what I believe, in doing that, you are actually being used of God and you don't even know it.  

Yes, it is so fair..You make sure you stay on the job 'warning' those about what I believe. 

To God be the Glory! 

[gospel]

Well, thank you for making sure everybody knows that I have a 'different' doctrine than pagan eternal torment.   

I think you've done quite well in describing what the rest of us believe as pagan eternal torment thank you very much

and hence ....

.....the reason why you have your own forum to vent as you please 

[rarejewel]

Well, thank you for making sure everybody knows that I have a 'different' doctrine than pagan eternal torment.  

I think you've done quite well in describing what the rest of us believe as pagan eternal torment thank you very much

and hence ....

.....the reason why you have your own forum to vent as you please  

 Well, you don't get to tell me where to post in this forum Mr or Ms gospel..nor what to say, nor 'vent' about..

.I know you think you are somebody's boss ( perhaps you are ) but not mine.

And you still are walking in fear...   Not sure why when you have the 'gospel' truth.  

Interesting...

[gospel]

Well, thank you for making sure everybody knows that I have a 'different' doctrine than pagan eternal torment.  

I think you've done quite well in describing what the rest of us believe as pagan eternal torment thank you very much

and hence ....

.....the reason why you have your own forum to vent as you please  

 Well, you don't get to tell me where to post in this forum Mr or Ms gospel..nor what to say, nor 'vent' about..

.I know you think you are somebody's boss ( perhaps you are ) but not mine.

And you still are walking in fear...   Not sure why when you have the 'gospel' truth.  

Interesting...

Not trying to boss you rather just kindly reminding you that those who call what the rest of us believe "pagan doctrine", have a place to do so where statements such as that do not have an opportunity to offend the rest of us 

[rarejewel]

Offend? Why would a lie offend you? That makes no sense to me. Interesting...

BTW, It is a pagan doctrine incorporated into Christianity ( as many other pagan beliefs) by the RCC.

That is something the devil has been hiding from you and many others.

I don't plan to shut up about it or apologize for it...

[gospel]

Offend? Why would a lie offend you? That makes no sense to me. Interesting...

BTW, It is a pagan doctrine incorporated into Christianity ( as many other pagan beliefs) by the RCC.

That is something the devil has been hiding from you and many others.

I don't plan to shut up about it or apologize for it...

Yea but that's why GCC started the non traditional forum so you can get all into that minutia in minute detail

[rarejewel]

Offend? Why would a lie offend you? That makes no sense to me. Interesting...

BTW, It is a pagan doctrine incorporated into Christianity ( as many other pagan beliefs) by the RCC.

That is something the devil has been hiding from you and many others.

I don't plan to shut up about it or apologize for it...

Yea but that's why GCC started the non traditional forum so you can get all into that minutia in minute detail

Perhaps, that is true. You still do not get to censor me and tell me to shut-up ( in so many words) because of your own personal fears.

When the moderator shuts me up, then that is a different story. So, I guess you will run off and get a moderator now huh?

[gospel]

Offend? Why would a lie offend you? That makes no sense to me. Interesting...

BTW, It is a pagan doctrine incorporated into Christianity ( as many other pagan beliefs) by the RCC.

That is something the devil has been hiding from you and many others.

I don't plan to shut up about it or apologize for it...

Yea but that's why GCC started the non traditional forum so you can get all into that minutia in minute detail

Perhaps, that is true. You still do not get to censor me and tell me to shut-up ( in so many words) because of your own personal fears.

When the moderator shuts me up, then that is a different story. So, I guess you will run off and get a moderator now huh?

Nope you should probably address the topics without feeling the need to insult the rest of us just because I let the others know you were rooted in UR/CU doctrine.

Hopefully you don't take it as an insult whenever that is pointed out.
For purposes of carrying on discourse it's often useful to know what each of us are rooted in

I for instance though non denominational, am rooted in pentecostal, charismatic word of faith ( type ) beliefs

[rarejewel]

Offend? Why would a lie offend you? That makes no sense to me. Interesting...

BTW, It is a pagan doctrine incorporated into Christianity ( as many other pagan beliefs) by the RCC.

That is something the devil has been hiding from you and many others.

I don't plan to shut up about it or apologize for it...

Yea but that's why GCC started the non traditional forum so you can get all into that minutia in minute detail

Perhaps, that is true. You still do not get to censor me and tell me to shut-up ( in so many words) because of your own personal fears.

When the moderator shuts me up, then that is a different story. So, I guess you will run off and get a moderator now huh?

Nope you should probably address the topics without feeling the need to insult the rest of us just because I let the others know you were rooted in UR/CU doctrine.

Hopefully you don't take it as an insult whenever that is pointed out.
For purposes of carrying on discourse it's often useful to know what each of us are rooted in

I for instance though non denominational, am rooted in pentecostal, charismatic word of faith ( type ) beliefs

The truth is, you wanted me to be offended and I have no been. In fact, you admitted I offended you with what I believe. Please, let us 'keep it real' ok.  

I am never offended or ashamed of what I believe. Like I told you and will say again, THANK YOU for telling everyone what I believe. I believe God can use what you call yourself meaning for evil against me ( to shut me up ) for good. Then again, of course you mean it for good.  

But, please stop trying to play a game with me. I am much smarter than you think and much more straight-forward than you are. I do not have to try to be manipulative and then try to use the name of "God" to cover me.

I do not see everybody going around saying, "Hi, My name is Lutheran".."Hi, My name is Word of Faith" in every thread.

At the same time, like I said, I am afraid and ashamed of NOTHING I believe..and am not OFFENDED by anything you say against what I believe.

There are many who are totally against  WOF doctrines too, I would be one of them.

So, please keep it real, if you can. Be honest...Don't try to be manipulative with me, I see straight through you. It makes me not want to talk to you about anything at all. 

[gospel]

Offend? Why would a lie offend you? That makes no sense to me. Interesting...

BTW, It is a pagan doctrine incorporated into Christianity ( as many other pagan beliefs) by the RCC.

That is something the devil has been hiding from you and many others.

I don't plan to shut up about it or apologize for it...

Yea but that's why GCC started the non traditional forum so you can get all into that minutia in minute detail

Perhaps, that is true. You still do not get to censor me and tell me to shut-up ( in so many words) because of your own personal fears.

When the moderator shuts me up, then that is a different story. So, I guess you will run off and get a moderator now huh?

Nope you should probably address the topics without feeling the need to insult the rest of us just because I let the others know you were rooted in UR/CU doctrine.

Hopefully you don't take it as an insult whenever that is pointed out.
For purposes of carrying on discourse it's often useful to know what each of us are rooted in

I for instance though non denominational, am rooted in pentecostal, charismatic word of faith ( type ) beliefs

The truth is, you wanted me to be offended and I have no been. In fact, you admitted I offended you with what I believe. Please, let us 'keep it real' ok.  

I am never offended or ashamed of what I believe. Like I told you and will say again, THANK YOU for telling everyone what I believe. I believe God can use what you call yourself meaning for evil against me ( to shut me up ) for good. Then again, of course you mean it for good.  

But, please stop trying to play a game with me. I am much smarter than you think and much more straight-forward than you are. I do not have to try to be manipulative and then try to use the name of "God" to cover me.

I do not see everybody going around saying, "Hi, My name is Lutheran".."Hi, My name is Word of Faith" in every thread.

At the same time, like I said, I am afraid and ashamed of NOTHING I believe..and am not OFFENDED by anything you say against what I believe.

There are many who are totally against  WOF doctrines too, I would be one of them.

So, please keep it real, if you can. Be honest...Don't try to be manipulative with me, I see straight through you. It makes me not want to talk to you about anything at all. 

Maybe you're missing my drift ...allow me to make myself more clear

Bottom line is WE don't call UR/CU a lie from the pit of hell

So all I kindly ask is that

YOU do not call what we believe pagan doctrine...hows that for being fair?

[rarejewel]

Offend? Why would a lie offend you? That makes no sense to me. Interesting...

BTW, It is a pagan doctrine incorporated into Christianity ( as many other pagan beliefs) by the RCC.

That is something the devil has been hiding from you and many others.

I don't plan to shut up about it or apologize for it...

Yea but that's why GCC started the non traditional forum so you can get all into that minutia in minute detail

Perhaps, that is true. You still do not get to censor me and tell me to shut-up ( in so many words) because of your own personal fears.

When the moderator shuts me up, then that is a different story. So, I guess you will run off and get a moderator now huh?

Nope you should probably address the topics without feeling the need to insult the rest of us just because I let the others know you were rooted in UR/CU doctrine.

Hopefully you don't take it as an insult whenever that is pointed out.
For purposes of carrying on discourse it's often useful to know what each of us are rooted in

I for instance though non denominational, am rooted in pentecostal, charismatic word of faith ( type ) beliefs

The truth is, you wanted me to be offended and I have no been. In fact, you admitted I offended you with what I believe. Please, let us 'keep it real' ok.  

I am never offended or ashamed of what I believe. Like I told you and will say again, THANK YOU for telling everyone what I believe. I believe God can use what you call yourself meaning for evil against me ( to shut me up ) for good. Then again, of course you mean it for good.  

But, please stop trying to play a game with me. I am much smarter than you think and much more straight-forward than you are. I do not have to try to be manipulative and then try to use the name of "God" to cover me.

I do not see everybody going around saying, "Hi, My name is Lutheran".."Hi, My name is Word of Faith" in every thread.

At the same time, like I said, I am afraid and ashamed of NOTHING I believe..and am not OFFENDED by anything you say against what I believe.

There are many who are totally against  WOF doctrines too, I would be one of them.

So, please keep it real, if you can. Be honest...Don't try to be manipulative with me, I see straight through you. It makes me not want to talk to you about anything at all.  

Maybe you're missing my drift ...allow me to make myself more clear

Bottom line is WE don't call UR/CU a lie from the pit of hell

So all I kindly ask is that

YOU do not call what we believe pagan doctrine...hows that for being fair?

Sorry to inform you, but you can not and will not control what I say once again. Most WOF believers thrive off of 'control' and 'manipulation' as you are trying to display today...it won't work.

What you believe about eternal torment is a pagan-doctrine, and to call it anything else would be a lie from the pit of hell.  

It is a pagan-based belief passed into the church as is many other things.

I know you are more comfortable with what you have known as truth, but it is not..and to tell me to call what I believe to be a lie the truth is a form of control because it does not offend you.

Won't work.

[rarejewel]

Why does it appear that I started this thread?

I did not start this thread and the title should be changed as everything has been, if it is to appear as if I started it.

[rarejewel]

Never-mind, do what you want.

God Bless.

[Catholica]

Is God just?

[larry2]

                                                                                             

In my opinion many posts on this thread are going over the line quite a bit in the following rules by pronouncing other's religions as wrong without objective evidence provided.

I do know that debate on these threads can bring retaliatory comments from both sides responding to one another but please do not allow it to get personal and leaving us no alternative but to modify or delete entire posts.

1.1 You may discuss another individual's beliefs or religious organization but you will not harass, insult, belittle, threaten, defame or flame the individual (member or nonmember) as this is considered personal attacks in posts, PMs and any other communication within this site. This includes, but is not limited to:

1.2 You will not directly call another member or his or her religious organization a "cult

[Memphis Dwight]

Yes, I sure am a DIE HARD ULTIMATE RECONCILIATION BELIEVER!    

And you are a deceived believer by the RCC to believe in this eternal torment theory which is pagan-based..  

I know you are trying to start a debate with in a slick smart way, it won't work.   Sorry...

The truth of the case of the lost being permanently cut off from the Creator is not a pagan belief.  It was the  pagans who picked up the concept of the immortal soul from the Israelites, not vice versa.  
God was completely against His people mingling their religion with the Egyptians and for good cause.  Now we have archaeologists running around claiming that Judaism and Christianity are just a compilation of the many mythological religions that date back to Egypt.  But they have it backwards.  In reality, Egypt's religion was a mixture of myth and a little Judaism sprinkled in.   Much like Roman Catholicism started off with a little pagan and a little christianity.

[gralan]

Actually the Bible is quite plain about taking offense, giving offense, bearing one another's burdens, and acting out of love.

What I'm reading in this thread amazes me for I'm definitely reading some vulgar pagan attitudes towards others.  Since we are to die to ourselves in Christ, I'm finding it hard to engage in self-justification and refusal to admit the responsibility of learning what the truth is rather than just presuming one's interpretation is correct automatically.

I'm not bringing this up to give folks a hard time.  I'm hoping that we can have straight forward discussion within our devout faith and practice.

The Bible speaks more about our attitudes and behaviors towards God and others more than about Hell - and the Bible definitely does not talk about the Roman Catholic Church, and presents two ways of speaking about Hell that can be understood to refer to destruction or eternal torment.

Perhaps someday we will grow up and not be so demanding.  In the meantime, I'm getting tired of people claiming to be following Jesus while they are rude, crude and arrogent.

Jesus was none of those things folks.

Hello?

You are welcome to your own opinion and I'm glad you brought up yours here in the thread.  It revealed much more than you hoped, I'm sure.  May you pray to God for wisdom and peace for the rest of us.  Thanks.

[Saul 25]

Hey I wish that eternal damnation was not in the bible.  Actually the bible does not teach that the lost will be tormented forever in hell because hell itself will be destroyed at some point in the future. At the final judgement the dead will be raised from the SEA(?), from hell, and from DEATH(?), three places, should not all the lost dead be in hell?

[larry2]

Hey I wish that eternal damnation was not in the bible. Actually the bible does not teach that the lost will be tormented forever in hell because hell itself will be destroyed at some point in the future. At the final judgement the dead will be raised from the SEA (?), from hell, and from DEATH (?), three places, should not all the lost dead be in hell?

The following link explains Death, Hell, and the Lake of Fire

http://www.gracecentered.com/christian_forums/theology/death-hell-and-the-lake-of-fire/msg603066/?topicseen#msg603066

Quick analogy to me; The bodies of all men are either in the grave or the sea. The souls of men are either in paradise or hell. Notice we don't read of paradise being thrown into hell. Their bodies are caught up such as in Matthew 27:52  And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose.

My thoughts.