Who creates our soul?

[Catholica]

I have these questions for you, if you believe in annihilationism: Who creates our soul?  Is that creation good or evil?

[Amo]

Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

[Catholica]

So if God created the soul, is the soul good or evil?

[Amo]

So if God created the soul, is the soul good or evil?

He created it good, but after the fall, it became evil. 

[Catholica]

So if God created the soul, is the soul good or evil?

He created it good, but after the fall, it became evil. 

So do you believe that all souls were created before the fall?  Or were some created after?

[Beta]

So if God created the soul, is the soul good or evil?

He created it good, but after the fall, it became evil. 

So do you believe that all souls were created before the fall?  Or were some created after?

According to scripture only Adam and Eve (2 Persons,bodies) were created before the fall.
Mankind reproduced themselves after the fall Gen.4, thus making more souls (bodies).Every time a new Baby is born a new soul (person,body) is created.
(a soul is not to be confused with spirit since a soul or person can die Ezek.18v4)

[Catholica]

So if God created the soul, is the soul good or evil?

He created it good, but after the fall, it became evil. 

So do you believe that all souls were created before the fall?  Or were some created after?

According to scripture only Adam and Eve (2 Persons,bodies) were created before the fall.
Mankind reproduced themselves after the fall Gen.4, thus making more souls (bodies).Every time a new Baby is born a new soul (person,body) is created.
(a soul is not to be confused with spirit since a soul or person can die Ezek.18v4)

So you believe that this intangible thing called a soul is created naturally?  What exactly do you believe that a soul is?

[Children of God]

Ezekiel 18:4, 20;

·   4Behold, all souls are mine; the soul of the father as well as the soul of the son is mine: the soul who sins shall die.

·   20 The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The soul is the body.....the living flesh and blood organism of all living creatures created from the dust of the earth.......made alive by the breath of life generating oxygen enriched blood..this is how all life began.

Gen 1:30

30And to every beast of the earth and to every bird of the heavens and to everything that creeps on the earth, everything that has the breath of life

Genesis 2:7;

·   7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

[Beta]

So if God created the soul, is the soul good or evil?

He created it good, but after the fall, it became evil. 

So do you believe that all souls were created before the fall?  Or were some created after?

According to scripture only Adam and Eve (2 Persons,bodies) were created before the fall.
Mankind reproduced themselves after the fall Gen.4, thus making more souls (bodies).Every time a new Baby is born a new soul (person,body) is created.
(a soul is not to be confused with spirit since a soul or person can die Ezek.18v4)

So you believe that this intangible thing called a soul is created naturally?  What exactly do you believe that a soul is?

WE - People are souls.We are not intangible , does not Gen.2v7 show that ? We are living Creatures ,souls that can die and do die Ezek.18v4.
Traditional christianity is confusing soul with spirit. It is the spirit that is intangible not the soul which is a physical body whether alive or dead.
Scripture tells us : there is a spirit in man  Job 32v8 . It does not say there is a soul in man.

[Catholica]

So if a person loses an arm, does part of his soul die?

[Children of God]

yes......the flesh and blood of the arm dies

[Catholica]

Ok, so then why do some parts of the body, when they die, cause the whole body to die?

For example, if I lose an arm, the rest of my body continues to live.  But if I lose my head, the rest of my body dies too.

[Children of God]

come on now.......get to your point

[Catholica]

I'm just testing a hypothesis.  But its a fun discussion all the same.

[Children of God]

well.......let's see your test results

[Catholica]

Answer my questions and I will share them with you.

So far, "soul = body" is not really testing true.

[Children of God]

that's your opinion........ Strong's concordance has a different opinion

H5082  nĕdiybah  ned·ē·vä'  soul 
H5315  nephesh  neh'·fesh  soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, dead, will, desire, man, themselves, any, appetite, misc 

[Catholica]

that's your opinion........ Strong's concordance has a different opinion

H5082  nĕdiybah  ned·ē·vä'  soul 
H5315  nephesh  neh'·fesh  soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, dead, will, desire, man, themselves, any, appetite, misc 

That is how the word is translated.  Yep.  That does not equate the two.

A body has a soul, they are intertwined.  But a body is not a soul.

[Children of God]

yeah....ok...........your point??..........man does NOT posses an immortal soul.............

[Beta]

that's your opinion........ Strong's concordance has a different opinion

H5082  nĕdiybah  ned·ē·vä'  soul 
H5315  nephesh  neh'·fesh  soul, life, person, mind, heart, creature, body, himself, yourselves, dead, will, desire, man, themselves, any, appetite, misc 

That is how the word is translated.  Yep.  That does not equate the two.

A body has a soul, they are intertwined.  But a body is not a soul.

Perhaps you have a scripture to verify your statement ?
I have already quoted mine :
the body BECAME a living soul Gen.2v7

[Jimmy]

As someone here at the forum said sometime in the past, "We are a soul, we have a spirit."   We are living beings.  We have a spirit.  Animals are living beings, i.e., they are soulish beings.  The distinction between animals and humans is that as humans we have a spirit.

For nearly all references in the Bible, when dealing with the human being, soul and spirit are essentially the same.  

Gen 2:7  then the LORD God formed the [body of] man of dust from the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath [Heb-neshahmah] of life, and the man became a living creature [Heb- nephesh].


When God created man, He gave man a spirit [neshahmah] and he became a soul [nephesh]

[Beta]

Yes there is a spirit in man - and the inspiration of God gives them understanding Job32v8.
Obviously man has the ability to know God.
But animals have no such ability even though they are living breathing souls.
I can not see how the breath of  life alone can make that difference ?
We do not read that GOD breathed life into animals but he did into man - so that must make the difference.
God can call the Wind to animate the dead Ezek.37v9. he does not have to do it personally.

[Lively Stone]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

[Beta]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

Eccl.12v7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was ; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Why are you adding a soul when it is not mentioned ? Don't you know we are not to add or take away from the word of God

[Jimmy]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

You don't have a soul.  You are a soul.  Just as a cat or a dog is a soul.  You have a spirit.  A cat or a dog does not have a spirit.  When the body dies, it is no longer a soul.

Gen 1:21  And God created the great sea monsters, and every living creature [nephesh] that moves, with which the waters swarmed after their kind, and every winged bird after its kind; and God saw that it was good.

nephesh

From H5314; properly a breathing creature, that is, animal or (abstractly) vitality; used very widely in a literal, accommodated or figurative sense (bodily or mental): - any, appetite, beast, body, breath, creature, X dead (-ly), desire, X [dis-] contented, X fish, ghost, + greedy, he, heart (-y), (hath, X jeopardy of) life (X in jeopardy), lust, man, me, mind, mortality, one, own, person, pleasure, (her-, him-, my-, thy-) self, them (your) -selves, + slay, soul, + tablet, they, thing, (X she) will, X would have it.

Gen 2:7  Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being [nephesh].

[Lively Stone]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

Eccl.12v7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was ; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Why are you adding a soul when it is not mentioned ? Don't you know we are not to add or take away from the word of God

Souls refer to people in the natural. It is our personality, our presence---who we are. I am not taking away from the word of God. I am explaining it in simple terms.

Human beings are spirits housed in bodies that possess souls.

[Lively Stone]

[Jimmy]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

Eccl.12v7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was ; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Why are you adding a soul when it is not mentioned ? Don't you know we are not to add or take away from the word of God

Souls refer to people. It is our personality, our presence---who we are. I am not taking away from the word of God. I am explaining it in simple terms.

That is your explanation.  But it is not consistent with the Bible. That is not what the Bible says.

[Jimmy]

That is a pretty picture.  But that is about all.

[Lively Stone]

What I have said is the truth. If you want to believe a complicated mess, be my guest.

[Lively Stone]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

Eccl.12v7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was ; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Why are you adding a soul when it is not mentioned ? Don't you know we are not to add or take away from the word of God

Souls refer to people. It is our personality, our presence---who we are. I am not taking away from the word of God. I am explaining it in simple terms.

That is your explanation.  But it is not consistent with the Bible. That is not what the Bible says.

It is consistent with all Scripture. I gather it doesn't sit right with those who have a poor understanding of how we are created, and what the Bible really does say.

[Beta]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

Eccl.12v7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was ; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Why are you adding a soul when it is not mentioned ? Don't you know we are not to add or take away from the word of God

Souls refer to people. It is our personality, our presence---who we are. I am not taking away from the word of God. I am explaining it in simple terms.

As I understand it soul IS the person. Adam was obviously a soul before life was breathed into him and that made him a living soul.(there is a scripture ref to dead souls , must look for it) So if a Being can be a soul in an inanimate state it can hardly be considered to have character traits or a personality.?? All these are contained in the spirit in man which returns to God when we die. Eccl.12v7. A soul is just not mentioned since it is a fleshly decaying body Ezek.18v4. It is the spirit that carries human information to God.

[Lively Stone]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

Eccl.12v7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was ; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Why are you adding a soul when it is not mentioned ? Don't you know we are not to add or take away from the word of God

Souls refer to people. It is our personality, our presence---who we are. I am not taking away from the word of God. I am explaining it in simple terms.

As I understand it soul IS the person. Adam was obviously a soul before life was breathed into him and that made him a living soul.(there is a scripture ref to dead souls , must look for it) So if a Being can be a soul in an inanimate state it can hardly be considered to have character traits or a personality.?? All these are contained in the spirit in man which returns to God when we die. Eccl.12v7. A soul is just not mentioned since it is a fleshly decaying body Ezek.18v4. It is the spirit that carries human information to God.

Yes, we often use the word, 'soul' to denote a person, such as in nautical speech---'All souls on board" etc. But the true soul of man is his inner self---his mind, will and emotions---all that comprise his unique personality.

Animals also have souls---personalities, minds. What sets them apart from man is that they have no spirits. That is what God breathed into Adam. When an animal dies, his body has just ceased to function. When a human dies, his body has ceased to function, but his spirit moves on and it takes the soul with it. We go to God, if we have accepted Christ, by whom we are known, and we retain our personhood before Him.

[Beta]

What I have said is the truth. If you want to believe a complicated mess, be my guest.

And what complicated mess would that be ?
Eccl.12v7 ?
Gen.2v7 ?
Ezek.18v4 ?
Where are your scriptures to support your belief ?

[Beta]

As we are created in the image of God, we are three: body, soul and spirit.

I am a spirit. I have a soul and a body.

The soul is the seat of the mind, will and emotions---the personality. The body ceases to live when its life, found in the spirit, departs. The soul goes with it.

Eccl.12v7 Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was ; and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.
Why are you adding a soul when it is not mentioned ? Don't you know we are not to add or take away from the word of God

Souls refer to people. It is our personality, our presence---who we are. I am not taking away from the word of God. I am explaining it in simple terms.

As I understand it soul IS the person. Adam was obviously a soul before life was breathed into him and that made him a living soul.(there is a scripture ref to dead souls , must look for it) So if a Being can be a soul in an inanimate state it can hardly be considered to have character traits or a personality.?? All these are contained in the spirit in man which returns to God when we die. Eccl.12v7. A soul is just not mentioned since it is a fleshly decaying body Ezek.18v4. It is the spirit that carries human information to God.

Yes, we often use the word, 'soul' to denote a person, such as in nautical speech---'All souls on board" etc. But the true soul of man is his inner self---his mind, will and emotions---all that comprise his unique personality.

Animals also have souls---personalities, minds. What sets them apart from man is that they have no spirits. That is what God breathed into Adam. When an animal dies, his body has just ceased to function. When a human dies, his body has ceased to function, but his spirit moves on and it takes the soul with it. We go to God, if we have accepted Christ, by whom we are known, and we retain our personhood before Him.

Friend , if you had scripture to support your belief we might have a valid discussion - but you have not !!! It is not your soul that contains your characteristics/personality but your spirit. That is what scripture says. Ascribing this function to your soul will also end in death with it. Your choice !