Mature Christians do not sin.

[Giver]

Fish, I have been sent by God to give a word.  My witness is that Jesus personally sat next to me and taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  I am giving that word.  I don't ask anyone to believe me.  The Holy Spirit told me to tell people that no matter, who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop or anyone you are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

Jesus taught me, you need to ask him if a sinner will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

You say that those who sin before having the Holy Spirit have an excuse...does that mean, in your mind, that a person who never accepts Christ's gift of salvation will enter the Kingdom of Heaven because they have the excuse of not knowing the Holy Spirit?

WHO exactly are the sinners...the ones who know Christ, or the ones who do not, but according to you have an excuse?

Jesus explained to me that Christians are dead to sin.  So if one sins then he or she is at best a baby Christian.

How God is to judge the world I don't know.  We know that sinners are not going to enter into the Kingdom of Heaven.

This thread is about one becoming spiritual and not sinning.  A mature Christian is spiritual and a spiritual Christian will not sin.

Any teaching that makes a sinner holy is from Satan.  A person who sins does not know God, at best they only know of God.

I doubt anyone of all the people who have been telling me that I am wrong have ever had God actually teach him or her about God.  That means had God talk to him or her in such a way that they can recognize God's voice.  I have met very few people who can say that God teaches him or her.

That to me is very sad, because Jesus told us that he would teach, and that he gave us his Holy Spirit to teach us. 

[gospel]

Any teaching that makes a sinner holy is from Satan.  A person who sins does not know God, at best they only know of God.

I don't know if you realize this or not but....

You're literally saying the Gospel of Christ is from Satan

God makes sinners Holy, that is what Salvation is....


He finds dirty low down low lifes like Saul of Tarsus and gives them HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS THROUGH CHRIST

God calls liars, prostitutes and thieves, people who have been waddling in the mud who realize and admit their sin...

And makes them HOLY

Holy means BELONGING TO GOD, FOR HIS USE

EVERYONE WHO IS BORN AGAIN IS HOLY, A SAINT, SET APART FROM THE WORLD, NO LONGER BELONGING TO THE WORLD BUT NOW BELONGING TO GOD

That is what Holiness is!


You're confusing the fact that WE ARE MADE HOLY IN CHRIST

with

Living Holy, admittedly something we all must strive to do on a daily basis, continually asking Jesus to help us and intercede on our behalf, confessing TO HIM as the Holy Spirit reveals our shortcomings to us.

You do not seem to understand that ALL BELIEVERS ARE SAINTS, meaning we have been called out of the world and set aside for God and as such WE BELONG TO HIM!

WHEN YOU BELONG TO GOD YOU ARE HOLY!

For you are a holy people, who belong to the LORD your God Deuteronomy 7:6


1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light.
   

[fish153]

Fish, I have been sent by God to give a word.  My witness is that Jesus personally sat next to me and taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  I am giving that word.  I don't ask anyone to believe me.  The Holy Spirit told me to tell people that no matter, who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop or anyone you are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

Jesus taught me, you need to ask him if a sinner will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

Have you ever read the testimony of Joseph Smith, Jr. (founder of the Mormons)? First an angel appeared to him, and then later God the Father and God the Son appeared to him.  They told him ALL the churches were wrong and to start a new one.

Joseph Smith was deceived by the devil, who can turn into an "angel of light" when he so desires (see 2 Cor. 11).  I have to ask you----would Jesus tell you something he does not tell all of his other children, and which is contrary to the Word of God?

Joseph Smith had the opportunity to repent---but he willingly went along with something that every other Christian at the time was telling him was error.  He created another "bible", and a whole new doctrine, added to the Word of God, and caused his followers to stray greatly.  

The Jesus who "sat beside you" has taught you things that most Christians can see clearly is complete error.  Believe the Word alone my friend!

[JMT]

Any teaching that makes a sinner holy is from Satan.   

Careful, Giver!
Colossians 1:21 Once you were alienated from God and were enemies in your minds because of your evil behavior. 22 But now he has reconciled you by Christ's physical body through death to present you holy in his sight, without blemish and free from accusation—
THIS is what you object to and claim is from Satan?!  

A person who sins does not know God, at best they only know of God.

This is a lie! You have bought into it hook line and sinker...reasoning with your own mind and not trusting in the word of the Lord!  Accusations abound in this that you can't even live up to, and you continue to deceive yourself. My heart breaks for you!

I doubt anyone of all the people who have been telling me that I am wrong have ever had God actually teach him or her about God.  That means had God talk to him or her in such a way that they can recognize God's voice.  I have met very few people who can say that God teaches him or her.

That to me is very sad, because Jesus told us that he would teach, and that he gave us his Holy Spirit to teach us.  

When we accept Christ as our Lord and Savior, we are given the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.  
Jesus teaches us through His written word, we hide it in our hearts and the Holy Spirit brings it to our remembrance.  It is what calls to us when we err or sin and beckons us home to rest, grace, forgiveness and renewed strength!

[JMT]

Joseph Smith was deceived by the devil, who can turn into an "angel of light" when he so desires (see 2 Cor. 11).  I have to ask you----would Jesus tell you something he does not tell all of his other children, and which is contrary to the Word of God?

Fish, I was thinking about this very thing earlier today and forgot to bring it up...thank you for doing so.  Giver, I know you are sincere, but you have been sincerely deceived...

But...do not lose heart!  God says we will find Him if we search for Him with all of our hearts!  Once choice is all it takes to be right with Jesus and peace can be found.

[revmitchell]

Fish, I have been sent by God to give a word.  My witness is that Jesus personally sat next to me and taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  I am giving that word.  I don't ask anyone to believe me.  The Holy Spirit told me to tell people that no matter, who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop or anyone you are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

Jesus taught me, you need to ask him if a sinner will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

It can be difficult to respond to posts like this. But there are two possibilites here. One, you are a troll and looking to illicit strong responses because you desire negative attention. Two, you are seriously delusional and need some serious help from some highly trained people. Either way you need some personal and professional help not found on the internet. You are very ill and need to seek reality lest you become another David Keresh .

May the true and living God provide you grace and mercy.

[Thankfulldad]

Fish, I have been sent by God to give a word.  My witness is that Jesus personally sat next to me and taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  I am giving that word.  I don't ask anyone to believe me.  The Holy Spirit told me to tell people that no matter, who tells them anything about God, be it a priest, bishop or anyone you are to ask Jesus if it is right or wrong.

Jesus taught me, you need to ask him if a sinner will enter the Kingdom of Heaven.

It can be difficult to respond to posts like this. But there are two possibilites here. One, you are a troll and looking to illicit strong responses because you desire negative attention. Two, you are seriously delusional and need some serious help from some highly trained people. Either way you need some personal and professional help not found on the internet. You are very ill and need to seek reality lest you become another David Keresh .

May the true and living God provide you grace and mercy.

Or Gola (I think)...a guy that claims much the same; that he was taught by Jesus, Jesus told him to just listen to Him, and not go to Bible college...that He would give him all the knowledge he needs.  Then he wrote a book on how God does not hate divorce...opening the door for divorce for any reason. 

Well...satan is alive and well ...and continues to deceive in various ways...

[Giver]

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[JMT]

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[Giver]

Yes we all have sinned, but we have received the Holy Spirit and gained victory over Satan/sin.

You say strive, and that is garbage.  If I strive to stop sinning then I did it myself.  If one has God in him or her and stops sinning then it is God who stopped one from sinning. 

No matter how hard one strives not to sin it can't be done unless he or she knows God.

You again ignored the following scriptures.  All you do is take other scripture to cover up what the truth is.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[revmitchell]

Rom 7:14  For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15  For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
Rom 7:16  Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
Rom 7:17  So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:18  For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
Rom 7:19  For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.
Rom 7:20  Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:21  So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
Rom 7:22  For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
Rom 7:23  but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
Rom 7:24  Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25  Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

[Giver]

You did it again.  You are covering up the truth with scripture that has no bearing on what happens when one becomes spiritual.  I keep showing you scripture that says a Christian is dead to sin, and you keep showing scripture saying what sin did to man before he could have an indwelling of God.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) "Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ.  What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual.  Isn't that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?

[JMT]

Yes we all have sinned, but we have received the Holy Spirit and gained victory over Satan/sin.

You say strive, and that is garbage.  If I strive to stop sinning then I did it myself.  If one has God in him or her and stops sinning then it is God who stopped one from sinning. 

No matter how hard one strives not to sin it can't be done unless he or she knows God.

You again ignored the following scriptures.  All you do is take other scripture to cover up what the truth is.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[JMT]

Rom 7:14  For we know that the law is spiritual, but I am of the flesh, sold under sin.
Rom 7:15  For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.
Rom 7:16  Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.
Rom 7:17  So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:18  For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.
Rom 7:19  For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.
Rom 7:20  Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.
Rom 7:21  So I find it to be a law that when I want to do right, evil lies close at hand.
Rom 7:22  For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being,
Rom 7:23  but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members.
Rom 7:24  Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death?
Rom 7:25  Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.

[Thankfulldad]

Spiritually mature Christian will not willfully commit a sin.

Well...after all these pages; I thought I would look at the opening line...

So...if we sin and then say...I didn't mean to...it really was not my will; after all...the devil made me do it...or my flesh was weak at that moment.  I am sure we can find any number of excuses that would make that sin not willfull on our part. 

And surely, if we simply think a sin like lust, envy, covet...no one will see, no one will notice; so that can't be a real sin ...not willfully commited...that sin is just a wondering mind!

Regardless...the fact remains; it is sin...sin is sin...all sin of action or of the heart and mind is sin...

So...the cross of our Lord is where God took care of all sins.  Salvation was given to all who believe and trust in Jesus......giving us a faith in what He accomplished for us there.

A muture Christian see's all sin as sin...and trust fully in Jesus...

Jesus is the One True Gospel; the gospel is not us not sinning!

Any other gospel...like the opening line of this thread is simply a false gospel.

[Giver]

Yes we all have sinned, but we have received the Holy Spirit and gained victory over Satan/sin.

You say strive, and that is garbage.  If I strive to stop sinning then I did it myself.  If one has God in him or her and stops sinning then it is God who stopped one from sinning. 

No matter how hard one strives not to sin it can't be done unless he or she knows God.

You again ignored the following scriptures.  All you do is take other scripture to cover up what the truth is.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[Giver]

Spiritually mature Christian will not willfully commit a sin.

Well...after all these pages; I thought I would look at the opening line...

So...if we sin and then say...I didn't mean to...it really was not my will; after all...the devil made me do it...or my flesh was weak at that moment.  I am sure we can find any number of excuses that would make that sin not willfull on our part. 

And surely, if we simply think a sin like lust, envy, covet...no one will see, no one will notice; so that can't be a real sin ...not willfully commited...that sin is just a wondering mind!

Regardless...the fact remains; it is sin...sin is sin...all sin of action or of the heart and mind is sin...

So...the cross of our Lord is where God took care of all sins.  Salvation was given to all who believe and trust in Jesus......giving us a faith in what He accomplished for us there.

A muture Christian see's all sin as sin...and trust fully in Jesus...

Jesus is the One True Gospel; the gospel is not us not sinning!

Any other gospel...like the opening line of this thread is simply a false gospel.

Sin is any wrongdoing.  John says not all wrongdoing is deadly. (1 John 5:17) "Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

[JMT]

I take a few verses, well I have taken many verses, and you ignore them.

Nope, not true. You take three or four verses and re-post and re-post and re-post them as if they stand alone with no context of what is shared both before and after them!  I have never ignored them, but tried to put them in perspective of context.  So...yet another example of you falsely accusing me of something I have not done, Giver.  Not good!

You say my application of those verses is wrong, because I don't take in all of scripture, and that is just plain diversion on your part.

No, not true..completely false actually.  

The truth of the matter is you don't have an explanation or an understanding of the scripture I quote.  Because the scriptures I quote if believed the way they are written, blows most of your theology all to pieces.

LOL! No again. If your verses are read in context to the surroundings verses in the chapter it PROVES why I believe what I do!  

Paul calls those who still sin infants in Christ, Baby Christians not yet spiritual.  Do you have any idea what Paul means by being spiritual?

Then he calls himself the very same in his honesty in the Romans passage brought to your attention earlier in this thread.  And what do I care what you judge me?  
I know Christ says this about babies/little children, Matthew 19:14But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."


AND

If JESUS told you to give a word that Christians will not sin, WHY did He include being forgiven for trespasses when He taught us how to pray?
Luke 11:2-4
2 He said to them, "When you pray, say:

Father,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread.
4 Forgive us our sins,
   for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.And lead us not into temptation.

Matthew 6:9-13
This, then, is how you should pray:

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
  on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
   as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation,
  but deliver us from the evil one.

This should prove to you the message you received was a counterfeit one!  The TRUE Christ instructs those who love Him to acknowledge our sins and ask for them to be forgiven..as we forgive the sins committed against us by others!

[Thankfulldad]

Now John distinguishes serious sin from sin that does not lead to death. You seem to want to be the expert here, but you are wrong.

Jesus has shown me that any sin if I deliberately commit it is deadly.  Scripture says if one who knows God deliberately commits any sin it is deadly.  Now that says if a sin is not committed deliberately it must not lead to death.  A sin not willfully committed is not deadly.

1John 5:16-17...If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.  I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death.  There is A sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.  17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

There is ONE sin that leads to death; rejection of what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Do you reject salvation based on trusting Jesus alone as our Lord and Savior?  If you do, that is the ONE sin that leads to death.  The One sin is rejecting, what He did for us.

[Giver]

I take a few verses, well I have taken many verses, and you ignore them.

Nope, not true. You take three or four verses and re-post and re-post and re-post them as if they stand alone with no context of what is shared both before and after them!  I have never ignored them, but tried to put them in perspective of context.  So...yet another example of you falsely accusing me of something I have not done, Giver.  Not good!

You say my application of those verses is wrong, because I don't take in all of scripture, and that is just plain diversion on your part.

No, not true..completely false actually. 

The truth of the matter is you don't have an explanation or an understanding of the scripture I quote.  Because the scriptures I quote if believed the way they are written, blows most of your theology all to pieces.

LOL! No again. If your verses are read in context to the surroundings verses in the chapter it PROVES why I believe what I do! 

Paul calls those who still sin infants in Christ, Baby Christians not yet spiritual.  Do you have any idea what Paul means by being spiritual?

Then he calls himself the very same in his honesty in the Romans passage brought to your attention earlier in this thread.  And what do I care what you judge me?   
I know Christ says this about babies/little children, Matthew 19:14But Jesus said, "Let the children alone, and do not hinder them from coming to Me; for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these."


AND

If JESUS told you to give a word that Christians will not sin, WHY did He include being forgiven for trespasses when He taught us how to pray?
Luke 11:2-4
2 He said to them, "When you pray, say:

Father,
hallowed be your name,
your kingdom come.
3 Give us each day our daily bread.
4 Forgive us our sins,
   for we also forgive everyone who sins against us.And lead us not into temptation.

Matthew 6:9-13
This, then, is how you should pray:

Our Father in heaven,
hallowed be your name,
10 your kingdom come,
your will be done,
   on earth as it is in heaven.
11 Give us today our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts,
   as we also have forgiven our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation,
   but deliver us from the evil one.

This should prove to you the message you received was a counterfeit one!  The TRUE Christ instructs those who love Him to acknowledge our sins and ask for them to be forgiven..as we forgive the sins committed against us by others!

There you go again saying the scripture is out of context.  That is nothing but a big cop out.  You can't answer what those verses say so you look for anything that might say I am wrong.

You use the Our Father prayer as proof that we are to pray for out sins.  The prayer says nothing about sin.  Also if it did then, John did tell us to pray for sin that did not lead to death.

You also never answered my question.  What does being spiritual mean?

[Giver]

Now John distinguishes serious sin from sin that does not lead to death. You seem to want to be the expert here, but you are wrong.

Jesus has shown me that any sin if I deliberately commit it is deadly.  Scripture says if one who knows God deliberately commits any sin it is deadly.  Now that says if a sin is not committed deliberately it must not lead to death.  A sin not willfully committed is not deadly.

1John 5:16-17...If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.  I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death.  There is A sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.  17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

There is ONE sin that leads to death; rejection of what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Do you reject salvation based on trusting Jesus alone as our Lord and Savior?  If you do, that is the ONE sin that leads to death.  The One sin is rejecting, what He did for us.

If you believe that you then really need to start reading scripture.

[Thankfulldad]

You also never answered my question.  What does being spiritual mean?

Galatians 5:22...But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.  Against such things there is no law.

[Thankfulldad]

Now John distinguishes serious sin from sin that does not lead to death. You seem to want to be the expert here, but you are wrong.

Jesus has shown me that any sin if I deliberately commit it is deadly.  Scripture says if one who knows God deliberately commits any sin it is deadly.  Now that says if a sin is not committed deliberately it must not lead to death.  A sin not willfully committed is not deadly.

1John 5:16-17...If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.  I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death.  There is A sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.  17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

There is ONE sin that leads to death; rejection of what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Do you reject salvation based on trusting Jesus alone as our Lord and Savior?  If you do, that is the ONE sin that leads to death.  The One sin is rejecting, what He did for us.

If you believe that you then really need to start reading scripture.

There you have it... , the one sin that leads to death...

[Thankfulldad]

Now John distinguishes serious sin from sin that does not lead to death. You seem to want to be the expert here, but you are wrong.

Jesus has shown me that any sin if I deliberately commit it is deadly.  Scripture says if one who knows God deliberately commits any sin it is deadly.  Now that says if a sin is not committed deliberately it must not lead to death.  A sin not willfully committed is not deadly.

1John 5:16-17...If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life.  I refer to those whose sin does not lead to death.  There is A sin that leads to death. I am not saying that he should pray about that.  17All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death.

There is ONE sin that leads to death; rejection of what Jesus did for us on the cross.

Do you reject salvation based on trusting Jesus alone as our Lord and Savior?  If you do, that is the ONE sin that leads to death.  The One sin is rejecting, what He did for us.

If you believe that you then really need to start reading scripture.

Galatians 5:4...You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace...

[JMT]

You also never answered my question.  What does being spiritual mean?

Galatians 5:22...But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.  Against such things there is no law.

Thank you Thankful...I was just coming to post this.  Pretty clear, Giver..not such a hard question to answer.  I just forgot, my *humble* apologies.

[Giver]

You also never answered my question.  What does being spiritual mean?

Galatians 5:22...But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.  Against such things there is no law.

Well you got what the fruit of the Spirit is, but you have not answered what it is to be spiritual

[JMT]

There you go again saying the scripture is out of context.  That is nothing but a big cop out. 

WOW.  Wanting things to stay within context is a big cop out?  Ooookie-do, Giver.  

Let me ask you this?  If I repeatedly took one sentence out of what all you have said here and kept insisting it trumped all else you have said, would you feel respected and well represented, or would you try to point things back to the *context* with and in-which it was said?  Would that be a cop out of you?

 You can't answer what those verses say so you look for anything that might say I am wrong.

I can answer and I have, but keeping things in context. I have acknowledged that sin grieves the Father's heart that it kills me to know I have grieved His heart...but I will NOT go the next step with you and your baseless claims.  I don't have to grasp at things as if I am desperate to prove you wrong.  God's word has shown over and over you are not correct.

you use the Our Father prayer as proof that we are to pray for out sins.  The prayer says nothing about sin.  

ARE you KIDDING me?  Did you not read it?!! It CLEARLY says in TWO different books: FORGIVE us our SINS!  Even if you use the oldest King James for your translation of choice it says FORGIVE us our TRESPASSES.  What do you think TRESPASSES are, Giver?

Also if it did then, John did tell us to pray for sin that did not lead to death.

John said what he did out of guidance from the Holy Spirit and it DOES NOT contradict what Christ said to pray and how to pray!

[JMT]

You also never answered my question.  What does being spiritual mean?

Galatians 5:22...But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.  Against such things there is no law.

Well you got what the fruit of the Spirit is, but you have not answered what it is to be spiritual

These spiritual fruits will show in the life of one who is walking in the spirit with Christ.

[Giver]

You also never answered my question.  What does being spiritual mean?

Galatians 5:22...But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.  Against such things there is no law.

Well you got what the fruit of the Spirit is, but you have not answered what it is to be spiritual

These spiritual fruits will show in the life of one who is walking in the spirit with Christ.

You believe sinning is a fruit of the Spirit?

When you can stop using out of context, for what I quote, as away to say I am wrong I will start responding to your post again.  My quotes are not out of context and you should know that. If you don't know that then go to Jesus and let him teach you.  I did what I can for you so good-by.

[Thankfulldad]

good-by

See ya

[JMT]

You also never answered my question.  What does being spiritual mean?

Galatians 5:22...But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness and self-control.  Against such things there is no law.

Well you got what the fruit of the Spirit is, but you have not answered what it is to be spiritual

These spiritual fruits will show in the life of one who is walking in the spirit with Christ.

You believe sinning is a fruit of the Spirit?

WHAT?!  NEVER once did anyone claim that sinning was a fruit of the spirit?  It is really sad how far your desperation will lead you, Giver!

When you can stop using out of context, for what I quote, as away to say I am wrong I will start responding to your post again.  

LOL!  Sure, I'll stop just as soon as you stop doing it! 

My quotes are not out of context and you should know that.

I should know that?  I read with my own eyes what you are saying and the Spirit within me that brings to my mind remembrances of all that Christ taught in His word *screams* "this is NOT the full truth!  Look it up and show this poor man!"

I did what I can for you so good-by.

What was it you said?  Something along the lines of ignore or ban the person you don't agree with (meaning that's how you have been treated) and you turn and do the very same to me..ignore me.  Oh well!  I have also shared with you and done for you what I could.  I will respond to your claims though...I don't really care if you read them or not.  Just some balance to offer hope to someone who may be struggling and getting decimated by your out of context/false message!

[chosenone]

Cant believe that this guy is still trying to claim that he doesnt sin. Even God says that we all sin, and I think that God is right.

[revmitchell]

You did it again.  You are covering up the truth with scripture that has no bearing on what happens when one becomes spiritual.  I keep showing you scripture that says a Christian is dead to sin, and you keep showing scripture saying what sin did to man before he could have an indwelling of God.

You are clueless. You have no idea what biblical context is.  Your presuppositions have eaten you up.

[fish153]

Giver----Here is a good passage of scripture to meditate upon:

"Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.

I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted". (Luke 18:10-14)