Papacy - right or wrong?

[Selene]

Whos said anything about celebacy... are you confused? YES!

Show us where God says if you are a priest and you marry you must leave the priesthood.

This has nothing to do with celebacy!

It has to do with celebacy.  Celibacy means to abstain from having sex or to remain single.  If a priest has sex, he is committing the sin of fornication.  If he marries, he has broken his vow of celibacy....a vow he made before God.

When our priest is called by God, he is called to marry the Church.  Our priests imitates Christ. Just as Christ is married to the Church, so are our priests married to the Church because as I keep telling you, we are all called to a much better union....a union with God.  Our nuns also take a vow of celebacy and is married to Christ.  Both our priests and nuns imitate what is found only in Heaven.  

In Heaven, there is NO marriage between men and women.  Are you going to tell God that He is being unjust and unfair because He does not allow marriage between men and women in Heaven?  

Highlighted in red you said, your catholic priests marry the church...HMMM? You dont even know what you are talking about. How can a priest united with Christ marry another? IN order for that to happen you just said, THE POPE IS JESUS...

Revelation 17 the Roman catholic church you call your government and nation is the prostitute...you just said so yourself Selene without even realizing what you were saying!

Yes, our priests are married to the Church because they IMITATE Christ?  How do they imitate Christ?  Christ is married to the Church because He is called the Bridegroom and the Church is the Bride.  So, boys and girls, who is the Bridegroom?  Christ.  Very good!  Now, who does the Bride symbolize in the Bible?  The Church.  Very good boys and girls.  Christ is the bridegroom and the Church is the Bride.  So, what does imitate means boys and girls?  It means to follow or resemble!  Very good!  

Now, Visionary, show me where in my post did I say thast the Pope is Jesus?  And show me where in my  post I said that the Catholic Church is the prostitute?  

[The Great Baptizmo]

Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Tell that to Jesus Christ.   

Luke 20:34-35   And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:  But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives.

Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit inspired the words of 1 Tim 4.  So I don't kneed to tell it to Him, He says that forbidding of marriage is a doctrine of demons.

Yes, you do because Christ forbids marriage between men and women in Heaven. 

I didn't say anything about marriage in heaven.  I am talking about the RCC forbidding marriage here on earth!  Which is a doctrine of demons!

[Visionary]

Lol Baptizmo. Matthew 24:26 The Pope is Jesus? WOW Selene!

So this is true then! Imitators masqueraders!
Consider what is best for you Selene since Jesus said, "false Christs will deceive many"...1.2 Million Catholics someone said?

Funny thing is you take this personally! As if the truth hurts!

[Selene]

Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Tell that to Jesus Christ.   

Luke 20:34-35   And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:  But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives.

Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit inspired the words of 1 Tim 4.  So I don't kneed to tell it to Him, He says that forbidding of marriage is a doctrine of demons.

Yes, you do because Christ forbids marriage between men and women in Heaven. 

I didn't say anything about marriage in heaven.  I am talking about the RCC forbidding marriage here on earth!  Which is a doctrine of demons!

Great Baptimzo, if you had read the previous posts, you would have known that the Catholic Church did NOT forbid marriage.  Why?  Because some of the Catholic clergy are married.  This is what Angelos pointed out to you.  But did you read his post? Obviously not!  As a matter of fact, my deacon, who passed away last year, was married. 

[Selene]

Lol Baptizmo. Matthew 24:26 The Pope is Jesus? WOW Selene!

So this is true then!

I highly recommend that you get yourself a dictionary, so you can look up the word "imitate."   

[Visionary]

So which is it Selene? Get your story straight! It cant be both! Hypocrisy runs rampant down there in the catholic church it seems...you say if a priest marries he cant be a priest then you say you have married priests in the catholic church.

Maybe you should not be speaking???

[Visionary]

2Timothy 3:5-9 Yes perhaps you should use a dictionary when you decide to seek understanding for yourself Selene while reading your bible.
Come out and be separate, says the Lord Almighty, and he will receive you...2Corinthians 6:17,18

[Selene]

So which is it Selene? Get your story straight! It cant be both! Hypocrisy runs rampant down there in the catholic church it seems...you say if a priest marries he cant be a priest then you say you have married priests in the catholic church.

Maybe you should not be speaking???

I said, (and I'll try and keep it as simple and elementary for you), it was NEVER a dogma that Catholic priest should be married.  As Angelos pointed out, a few of the Catholic clergy are married.  The fact that there are a few married clergy among Catholic ranks only proves you and the Great Baptizmo WRONG when you claim that we forbid them to marry or even force them not to marry.  It is not a dogma.  

To take the vow of celibacy is a discipline and our priests and nuns VOLUNTARILY take these vows; therefore, it was never forced upon them as you claimed.  These vows of celibacy are made public before God; therefore, to break these vows would be a sin.  Every priest and nun understands this.  The Anglicans will be reunited with the Catholics very soon, and among the Anglicans, there are a few married priests.  The Vatican is not going to renounce their marriage and tell them to leave the priesthood.  Most of our priests, however, follow this tradition of celibacy, and even before they became a priest, they understood that they are not to marry and to remain celibate.  Only a few of our priests have left the priesthood because they wanted to marry.  To be honest, I only know of one person in my island who left the priesthood to marry.  All the others are happy being celibate.  

It has always been YOU who is claiming that the Catholic Church forbids marriage.  Our evidence is there.  The fact that a few of the Catholic clergy (such as my deacon) are married shows your claim is false.  You have been proven wrong.  And now, you are claiming "hypocracy" simply because we have both.  We have both....a few Catholic clergy who are married and a majority of clergy who are not married.  Well, don't you also have both single and married pastors in the Protestant churches?  

The truth is this...... our priests and nuns chose to practice celibacy as a discipline and this is the REAL issue for you.  That is the truth.    

[Selene]

2Timothy 3:5-9 Yes perhaps you should use a dictionary when you decide to seek understanding for yourself Selene while reading your bible.
Come out and be separate, says the Lord Almighty, and he will receive you...2Corinthians 6:17,18

Visionary, go back to English 101.   In 2 Timothy 3, St. Paul is saying that we should not become lovers of ourselves by making ourselves into God.  Again, as I told you, the word "imitate" does NOT mean that our priest is God.  I even gave you an example.  If I imitate my mother, does that mean that I AM my mother?  No.  So, when our priests imitate Christ, does this mean that our priests IS Christ.  No.  Very good boys and girls!  Below are the definitions of the word "imitate" from Webster's Dictionary, since it's so obvious that you don't have a dictionary of your own.   
 
Imitate
1.to seek to follow the example of; take as one's model or pattern
2.to act the same as; impersonate; mimic
3.to reproduce in form, color, etc.; make a duplicate or copy of
4.to be or become like in appearance; resemble: glass made to imitate diamonds

As you can see from the dictionary, imitate means to seek to follow the example of exactly as St. Paul and Jesus says.  Jesus did say to follow Him, did He not?  Yes!  Very good boys and girls. 

[k-pappy]

Still trying to make the doctrine of demons concerning forbidding marriage ok, I see.

Tell that to Jesus Christ.   

Luke 20:34-35   And Jesus said to them: The children of this world marry, and are given in marriage:  But they that shall be accounted worthy of that world, and of the resurrection from the dead, shall neither be married, nor take wives.

Jesus Christ, through the Holy Spirit inspired the words of 1 Tim 4.  So I don't kneed to tell it to Him, He says that forbidding of marriage is a doctrine of demons.

Yes, you do because Christ forbids marriage between men and women in Heaven. 

That is so patantly false. 

Christ does not forgid marriage.  He said there is no marriage in Heaven...ie. the institute of marriage does not exist.  It is not forbidden!  It is unncessary.

Bond

[chestertonrules]

I will say this one final time:

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them is a violation of forum rules.

If you believe he is distorting catholic doctrine, quote from the catechism and the Bible to prove him wrong.

I already did that.  I didn't call him ignorant because I disagree with him, I called him ignorant because he doesn't know or care to know the Catholic teaching he is criticizing.

You should know from my posting here that I don't call those who disagree with me ignorant.

Knowledgeable people can reach different conclusions.

He is distorting Catholic teaching, and I have demonstrated this from Catholic sources and from scripture.

You need to read the entire thread before criticizing posters.

[Visionary]

I will say this one final time:

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them is a violation of forum rules.

If you believe he is distorting catholic doctrine, quote from the catechism and the Bible to prove him wrong.

I already did that.  I didn't call him ignorant because I disagree with him, I called him ignorant because he doesn't know or care to know the Catholic teaching he is criticizing.

You should know from my posting here that I don't call those who disagree with me ignorant.

Knowledgeable people can reach different conclusions.

He is distorting Catholic teaching, and I have demonstrated this from Catholic sources and from scripture.

You need to read the entire thread before criticizing posters.

Catholic teaching takes presedence over God's? John 6:43-45 When are you going to turn to Jesus Chester?

[Selene]

That is so patantly false. 

Christ does not forgid marriage.  He said there is no marriage in Heaven...ie. the institute of marriage does not exist.  It is not forbidden!  It is unncessary.

Bond

Having no marriage in Heaven means it is not allowed in Heaven.  Sin is also not allowed in Heaven.  That's why Lucifer got kicked out.  Sin is forbidden in Heaven and the angels who sinned in Heaven were kicked out.  Marriage between men and women in Heaven is also forbidden because one should already be one and united with God in Heaven not with each other. 

[chestertonrules]

I will say this one final time:

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them is a violation of forum rules.

If you believe he is distorting catholic doctrine, quote from the catechism and the Bible to prove him wrong.

I already did that.  I didn't call him ignorant because I disagree with him, I called him ignorant because he doesn't know or care to know the Catholic teaching he is criticizing.

You should know from my posting here that I don't call those who disagree with me ignorant.

Knowledgeable people can reach different conclusions.

He is distorting Catholic teaching, and I have demonstrated this from Catholic sources and from scripture.

You need to read the entire thread before criticizing posters.

Catholic teaching takes presedence over God's? John 6:43-45 When are you going to turn to Jesus Chester?

Catholic teaching is God's teaching.  The Church is the body of Christ, and Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

[Selene]

I will say this one final time:

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them is a violation of forum rules.

If you believe he is distorting catholic doctrine, quote from the catechism and the Bible to prove him wrong.

I already did that.  I didn't call him ignorant because I disagree with him, I called him ignorant because he doesn't know or care to know the Catholic teaching he is criticizing.

You should know from my posting here that I don't call those who disagree with me ignorant.

Knowledgeable people can reach different conclusions.

He is distorting Catholic teaching, and I have demonstrated this from Catholic sources and from scripture.

You need to read the entire thread before criticizing posters.

He even put words in my mouth by posting that I stated that the Pope is Jesus.  It's about time that someone did something about this thread.   I never said such thing.  I stated that our priests imitate Christ.  

[Visionary]

I will say this one final time:

Calling somebody ignorant because you disagree with them is a violation of forum rules.

If you believe he is distorting catholic doctrine, quote from the catechism and the Bible to prove him wrong.

I already did that.  I didn't call him ignorant because I disagree with him, I called him ignorant because he doesn't know or care to know the Catholic teaching he is criticizing.

You should know from my posting here that I don't call those who disagree with me ignorant.

Knowledgeable people can reach different conclusions.

He is distorting Catholic teaching, and I have demonstrated this from Catholic sources and from scripture.

You need to read the entire thread before criticizing posters.

Catholic teaching takes presedence over God's? John 6:43-45 When are you going to turn to Jesus Chester?

Catholic teaching is God's teaching.  The Church is the body of Christ, and Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

Ya well we have proved more than once on more than one topic its not. Perhaps you should do a study on your popes for many of them have been revealed as antichrists. In fact the final pope before Christs return will be the false prophet forcing everyone whose names are not writ in the Lamb's book of life to worship the beast.

Do we tell you these things to shame you? No!!! But perhaps that you might come to your senses and escape the deception!!!

[chestertonrules]

Catholic teaching is God's teaching.  The Church is the body of Christ, and Jesus told us to listen to the Church.

Ya well we have proved more than once on more than one topic its not. Perhaps you should do a study on your popes for many of them have been revealed as antichrists. In fact the final pope before Christs return will be the false prophet forcing everyone whose names are not writ in the Lamb's book of life to worship the beast.

Do we tell you these things to shame you? No!!! But perhaps that you might come to your senses and escape the deception!!!
[/quote]

I'm not sure what you are denying?

Do you deny that Jesus started a Church?

Do you deny that this Church is the Body of Christ?

Do you deny that Jesus told us to listen to the Church, and that the apostles reiterated this message?


Please address these questions.

[Selene]

Ya well we have proved more than once on more than one topic its not. Perhaps you should do a study on your popes for many of them have been revealed as antichrists. In fact the final pope before Christs return will be the false prophet forcing everyone whose names are not writ in the Lamb's book of life to worship the beast.

Do we tell you these things to shame you? No!!! But perhaps that you might come to your senses and escape the deception!!!

And this is coming from someone who doesn't even know what the word "imitate" means. 

[Visionary]

 

Still doing your song and dance and no one is joining you Selene.
I now an Ape when I see one! How? By the Spirit God has given me! The Spirit of truth! John 14:19-21
All the Catholics keep telling us is they see their pope and their church. Why is that? Did they not hear what Jesus said?
Hebrews 10:19-25

[chestertonrules]

Still doing your song and dance and no one is joining you Selene.
I now an Ape when I see one! How? By the Spirit God has given me! The Spirit of truth! John 14:19-21

Jesus wasn't speaking to you in John 14, he was speaking to the apostles, ie. the Church.

You are to listen to them, not create your own dogma.

To the apostles:

John 17
16They are not of the world, even as I am not of it. 17Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

About us:

20"My prayer is not for them alone. I pray also for those who will believe in me through their message, 21that all of them may be one, Father, just as you are in me and I am in you.

[Selene]

Still doing your song and dance and no one is joining you Selene.
I now an Ape when I see one! How? By the Spirit God has given me! The Spirit of truth! John 14:19-21
All the Catholics keep telling us is they see their pope and their church. Why is that? Did they not hear what Jesus said?
Hebrews 10:19-25

Yes, we see our Pope as the successor of the Apostle Peter and our Church as the Church that Christ built.  Jesus did built a Church.  Why didn't you know that?

[mclees8]

Still doing your song and dance and no one is joining you Selene.
I now an Ape when I see one! How? By the Spirit God has given me! The Spirit of truth! John 14:19-21
All the Catholics keep telling us is they see their pope and their church. Why is that? Did they not hear what Jesus said?
Hebrews 10:19-25

Yes, we see our Pope as the successor of the Apostle Peter and our Church as the Church that Christ built.  Jesus did built a Church.  Why didn't you know that?

So if you believe the  pope sits in Peters seat
why did they not continue in the same humility as Peter? Also why did they fall into being a religious political power sitting on thrones and wearing royal robes and having king bow at their feet.

did Jesus start a politically charged church?

God bless

[Selene]

Still doing your song and dance and no one is joining you Selene.
I now an Ape when I see one! How? By the Spirit God has given me! The Spirit of truth! John 14:19-21
All the Catholics keep telling us is they see their pope and their church. Why is that? Did they not hear what Jesus said?
Hebrews 10:19-25

Yes, we see our Pope as the successor of the Apostle Peter and our Church as the Church that Christ built.  Jesus did built a Church.  Why didn't you know that?

So if you believe the  pope sits in Peters seat
why did they not continue in the same humility as Peter? Also why did they fall into being a religious political power sitting on thrones and wearing royal robes and having king bow at their feet.

did Jesus start a politically charged church?

God bless

The Church that Christ built is a reflection of Christ because it was Christ who created her.  Christ was a priest.  His Church is also priest.  Christ was a prophet.  His Church is also a prophet in that she preaches God's Word to the world.  Christ was a King.  His Church is also a king in that she is a soverign nation among leaders.  Christ came from a world of wealth sitting on a throne.  His Church lives in this world reflecting the wealth of the spiritual Heaven from which Christ came.  

Christ built His Church for sinners, so it is natural to find sinners in the Church.  Are the people in your church not sinners as well? 

[Visionary]

When are you going to get it Selene? The church is not the Catholic church of today! The Catholic church of today is the prostitute of Revelation 17!

Judges 2:17
Judges 8:27
1Chronicles 5:25
Psalm 106:39
Ezekiel 6:9
Ezekiel 20:30
Ezekiel 23:35
Hosea 4:12
Hosea 5:4
Hosea 9:1

Spiritual Adultery is like divination!

[Visionary]

You know what is really sad?
More than one Catholic Pope has said the Koran is inspired of God. But the Koran explicitly states God has no sons or partners.
1John 4:2,3
Funny thing is if God has no partners then Muhammed is a false prophet because in order to receive revelation from God one has to come into fellowship/partner with God.
Whats worse is you will take the word of your Pope over the word of God!

[Catholica]

You know what is really sad?
More than one Catholic Pope has said the Koran is inspired of God.

I'm pretty sure that it is against the forum rules to print stuff like that without substantiation.   Bring some citations, please.

[Hehealedme]

Still doing your song and dance and no one is joining you Selene.
I now an Ape when I see one! How? By the Spirit God has given me! The Spirit of truth! John 14:19-21
All the Catholics keep telling us is they see their pope and their church. Why is that? Did they not hear what Jesus said?
Hebrews 10:19-25

Yes, we see our Pope as the successor of the Apostle Peter and our Church as the Church that Christ built.  Jesus did built a Church.  Why didn't you know that?

So if you believe the  pope sits in Peters seat
why did they not continue in the same humility as Peter? Also why did they fall into being a religious political power sitting on thrones and wearing royal robes and having king bow at their feet.

did Jesus start a politically charged church?

God bless

The Church that Christ built is a reflection of Christ because it was Christ who created her.  Christ was a priest.  His Church is also priest.  Christ was a prophet.  His Church is also a prophet in that she preaches God's Word to the world.  Christ was a King.  His Church is also a king in that she is a soverign nation among leaders.  Christ came from a world of wealth sitting on a throne.  His Church lives in this world reflecting the wealth of the spiritual Heaven from which Christ came.  

Christ built His Church for sinners, so it is natural to find sinners in the Church.  Are the people in your church not sinners as well? 

Jesus is the King, absolutely. But Selene you have to understand that Jesus was humble and showing humility. Your pope and priests don't do that. Jesus didn't come on this earth dressed with worldly apparel and jewels and sitting on a wordly throne like your pope does...Jesus didn't drive around hiding in a pope mobile like yours does...


Have to leave for work...
Have a blessed day.
Lucie.

[Catholica]

Your pope and priests don't do that. Jesus didn't come on this earth dressed with worldly apparel and jewels and sitting on a wordly throne like your pope does...Jesus didn't drive around hiding in a pope mobile like yours does...

What exactly is humility to you?  Is it dressing yourself in rags, driving a crummy car, sitting in a barkalounger?   Or is it rather a virtue of service, of putting others before yourself, of not thinking too highly of oneself, but rather of recognizing that all we have is a gift of God?

There are lots of poor people who are not humble.  They desire the rich things of this world, they seek after pleasure and comfort.  They try to win the lottery, make money by cheating or stealing.  They are puffed up with pride, they want seek to dominate those that they know.

Our current pope is the antithesis of those things.  He loves all people, he is their servant.  They call the pope "the servant of the servants of God".  His desire is for the best of the world, for all peoples.

Some popes may have taken pride in being in power, but that is not so for the popes that I have ever seen.  They have been very, if not extremely, humble men.

Jesus sits on a throne in heaven, and yet he is meek and humble of heart.  He is robed in glory, and yet humbles himself to become bread for the life of the world.  He commands the legion of angels and yet allows those who don't believe in him to desecrate his body.

[chestertonrules]

You know what is really sad?
More than one Catholic Pope has said the Koran is inspired of God.

I'm pretty sure that it is against the forum rules to print stuff like that without substantiation.   Bring some citations, please.

Visionary isn't concerned about Truth.

[Visionary]

  I recently heard a radio broadcast on the "Unbelievable" programme, which is a discussion programme between Christians and other Christians, atheists and those of other religions.  This edition was between a protestant and a catholic.
  One issue which was raised was the central one of whether there was any basis for the principle of Papacy (the situation where one man has absolute authority as the successor of Peter).  As far as I know, the only basis for this is Matt. 16, which tells of Jesus calling Simon "Peter"* and referring to the Rock as the Church.
  Would anyone like to comment as to the relevance and weight of these and/or other scriptures?

* Aramaic: Cephas; Greek: Petros/ Petra; Latin: (I think) Petrus

No there is no basis for Peter having a successor anywhere in scripture. God's promise was to King David and was that he would have a line of kings sit on his throne...of which Jesus was the last now raised to heaven and seated on God's throne at his right hand. Acts 3:25-39
The Catholic church has sorely perverted this promise that Jesus would build his church upon Peter. The truth is God builds his church by this ONE WAY... Romans 10:20 I revealed myself...John 14:21-24

[chestertonrules]

No there is no basis for Peter having a successor anywhere in scripture. 

The entire point of the keys is that they are given to a temporary leader while the King is away.  They keys to the kingdom represent the authority of the Kingdom.  Someone always holds the keys.

Here, the King is taking the keys from one leader and giving them to another.

Isaiah 22
20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will be a seat  of honor for the house of his father.

Apostolic succession is biblical:

Acts 1
20"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
   " 'May his place be deserted;
      let there be no one to dwell in it,' and,
   " 'May another take his place of leadership.

The Authority of the Apostles was a necessary requirment in order for teaching to be authentic:

Acts 15
23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

[Visionary]

No there is no basis for Peter having a successor anywhere in scripture.  

The entire point of the keys is that they are given to a temporary leader while the King is away.  They keys to the kingdom represent the authority of the Kingdom.  Someone always holds the keys.

Here, the King is taking the keys from one leader and giving them to another.

Isaiah 22
20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will be a seat  of honor for the house of his father.

Apostolic succession is biblical:

Acts 1
20"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
  " 'May his place be deserted;
     let there be no one to dwell in it,' and,
  " 'May another take his place of leadership.

The Authority of the Apostles was a necessary requirment in order for teaching to be authentic:

Acts 15
23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

Still trying to pervert scripture to mean what you want it to chester? I see no where that Jesus/God promised Peter a lineage.

[chestertonrules]

Still trying to pervert scripture to mean what you want it to chester? I see no where that Jesus/God promised Peter a lineage.

You asked for scripture, I provided it.

It doesn't fit your personal dogma, so you reject it.

This seems to be a pattern.

[Visionary]

  I recently heard a radio broadcast on the "Unbelievable" programme, which is a discussion programme between Christians and other Christians, atheists and those of other religions.  This edition was between a protestant and a catholic.
  One issue which was raised was the central one of whether there was any basis for the principle of Papacy (the situation where one man has absolute authority as the successor of Peter).  As far as I know, the only basis for this is Matt. 16, which tells of Jesus calling Simon "Peter"* and referring to the Rock as the Church.
  Would anyone like to comment as to the relevance and weight of these and/or other scriptures?

* Aramaic: Cephas; Greek: Petros/ Petra; Latin: (I think) Petrus

No there is no basis for Peter having a successor anywhere in scripture. God's promise was to King David and was that he would have a line of kings sit on his throne...of which Jesus was the last now raised to heaven and seated on God's throne at his right hand. Acts 3:25-39
The Catholic church has sorely perverted this promise that Jesus would build his church upon Peter. The truth is God builds his church by this ONE WAY... Romans 10:20 I revealed myself...John 14:21-24

HMMM??? I dont see me asking for anything??? Do you need glasses chester? It seems you are good at seeing your own imaginations rather than the truth given to you.

[chestertonrules]

Quote from: Visionary on Today at 02:03:07 PM


No there is no basis for Peter having a successor anywhere in scripture. 


The entire point of the keys is that they are given to a temporary leader while the King is away.  They keys to the kingdom represent the authority of the Kingdom.  Someone always holds the keys.

Here, the King is taking the keys from one leader and giving them to another.

Isaiah 22
20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will be a seat  of honor for the house of his father.

Apostolic succession is biblical:

Acts 1
20"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
   " 'May his place be deserted;
      let there be no one to dwell in it,' and,
   " 'May another take his place of leadership.

The Authority of the Apostles was a necessary requirment in order for teaching to be authentic:

Acts 15
23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.