Papacy - right or wrong?

[Visionary]

Quote from: Visionary on Today at 02:03:07 PM


No there is no basis for Peter having a successor anywhere in scripture.  


The entire point of the keys is that they are given to a temporary leader while the King is away.  They keys to the kingdom represent the authority of the Kingdom.  Someone always holds the keys.

Here, the King is taking the keys from one leader and giving them to another.

Isaiah 22
20 "In that day I will summon my servant, Eliakim son of Hilkiah. 21 I will clothe him with your robe and fasten your sash around him and hand your authority over to him. He will be a father to those who live in Jerusalem and to the house of Judah. 22 I will place on his shoulder the key to the house of David; what he opens no one can shut, and what he shuts no one can open. 23 I will drive him like a peg into a firm place; he will be a seat  of honor for the house of his father.

Apostolic succession is biblical:

Acts 1
20"For," said Peter, "it is written in the book of Psalms,
  " 'May his place be deserted;
     let there be no one to dwell in it,' and,
  " 'May another take his place of leadership.

The Authority of the Apostles was a necessary requirment in order for teaching to be authentic:

Acts 15
23With them they sent the following letter: The apostles and elders, your brothers, To the Gentile believers in Antioch, Syria and Cilicia: Greetings. 24We have heard that some went out from us without our authorization and disturbed you, troubling your minds by what they said.

  Ya see chester. Thats me laughin so hard cause you cant carry a tune. You missed the whole point altogether!!!! JESUS IS LORD!!!

[Selene]

When are you going to get it Selene? The church is not the Catholic church of today! The Catholic church of today is the prostitute of Revelation 17!

Judges 2:17
Judges 8:27
1Chronicles 5:25
Psalm 106:39
Ezekiel 6:9
Ezekiel 20:30
Ezekiel 23:35
Hosea 4:12
Hosea 5:4
Hosea 9:1

Spiritual Adultery is like divination!

Visionary, when St. John wrot Revelations 17, the Church at Babylon was already set up in Rome.  This was the Roman Church that St. Peter spoke about (1 Peter 5:13); therefore, St. John was not referring to the Roman Church, but to the Roman empire.  The Roman empire oppressed the Jewish people (God's chosen people) and killed many Christians (God's chosen people).  And look at what God has done.  He has planted His Church in the very heart of the enemy.  That Church was the Church at Babylon that St. Peter spoke about.  That Church today became the Roman Catholic Church.  God heard the cries of His chosen ones and defeated the enemy by planting His Church in the very heart of the enemy so that the enemy now becomes the footstool.  And today, the Roman Catholic Church is still standing.  The Roman Empire, on the other hand, fell. 

Luke 10:19  Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you.

[Visionary]

When are you going to get it Selene? The church is not the Catholic church of today! The Catholic church of today is the prostitute of Revelation 17!

Judges 2:17
Judges 8:27
1Chronicles 5:25
Psalm 106:39
Ezekiel 6:9
Ezekiel 20:30
Ezekiel 23:35
Hosea 4:12
Hosea 5:4
Hosea 9:1

Spiritual Adultery is like divination!

Visionary, I already stated that the Catholic Church today reflects Christ who created her.  The Catholic Church is a priest, a prophet, and a king.  Do you have something to refute that because when St. John wrote Revelations 17, he was speaking about the Roman empire, which already fell.

Yes Absolutely! The entire word of God! Revelation 13:3,4 Why are you following this beast? Roman Catholic church! Your lord god the pope! You are saying, Who can make war against him Selene! Even making claim he is Jesus!

[Selene]

Visionary, when St. John wrote Revelations 17, the Church at Babylon was already set up in Rome.  This was the Roman Church that St. Peter spoke about (1 Peter 5:13); therefore, St. John was not referring to the Roman Church, but to the Roman empire.  The Roman empire oppressed the Jewish people (God's chosen people) and killed many Christians (God's chosen people).  And look at what God has done.  He has planted His Church in the very heart of the enemy.  That Church was the Church at Babylon that St. Peter spoke about.  That Church today became the Roman Catholic Church.  God heard the cries of His chosen ones and defeated the enemy by planting His Church in the very heart of the enemy so that the enemy now becomes the footstool.  And today, the Roman Catholic Church is still standing.  The Roman Empire, on the other hand, fell.  

Luke 10:19  Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you.

[Visionary]

As I said to one I say to you Selene, You will not enter by any other means than through the gate of the sheep!

[Selene]

As I said to one I say to you Selene, You will not enter by any other means than through the gate of the sheep!

Visionary, when St. John wrote Revelations 17, the Church at Babylon was already set up in Rome.  This was the Roman Church that St. Peter spoke about (1 Peter 5:13); therefore, St. John was not referring to the Roman Church, but to the Roman empire.  The Roman empire oppressed the Jewish people (God's chosen people) and killed many Christians (God's chosen people).  And look at what God has done.  He has planted His Church in the very heart of the enemy.  That Church was the Church at Babylon that St. Peter spoke about.  That Church today became the Roman Catholic Church.  God heard the cries of His chosen ones and defeated the enemy by planting His Church in the very heart of the enemy so that the enemy now becomes the footstool.  And today, the Roman Catholic Church is still standing.  The Roman Empire, on the other hand, fell. 

Luke 10:19  Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you.

[Visionary]

Selene listen close. All you talk about is your pope and your catholic church. You are not alone. All other denominations do the exact same thing! 

But guess what? That is not how the Holy Spirit speaks to us!
You can rant all you want about your pope and your church but I am not deceived!

[Selene]

Jesus is the King, absolutely. But Selene you have to understand that Jesus was humble and showing humility. Your pope and priests don't do that. Jesus didn't come on this earth dressed with worldly apparel and jewels and sitting on a wordly throne like your pope does...Jesus didn't drive around hiding in a pope mobile like yours does...


Have to leave for work...
Have a blessed day.
Lucie.

The Church that Christ built is a reflection of Christ because it was Christ who created her.  Christ was a priest.  His Church is also priest.  Christ was a prophet.  His Church is also a prophet in that she preaches God's Word to the world.  Christ was a King.  His Church is also a king in that she is a soverign nation among leaders.  Christ came from a world of wealth sitting on a throne.  His Church lives in this world reflecting the wealth of the spiritual Heaven from which Christ came. Today, Jesus sits on a throne with jewels, and He is still humble.   Humility has nothing to do with the clothes you wear or the kind of house you live in.  Humility is an attitude.  An example of humility is when someone strikes you on the cheek, then you turn and give the other cheek.  That is humility.  Pope John Paul II had done this.  He forgave the person who tried to kill him.  That is humility.  A rich king like Jesus has humility.  

Revelations 4:2  At once I was caught up in spirit.  A throne was there in Heaven, and on the throne sat one whose appearance sparkled like jasper and carnelian.  Around the throne was a halo as brilliant as an emerald.  

The Church that Christ built resembles Him.  Christ is a priest, a prophet, and a king.  The Church He built is also a priest, a prophet, and a king.  

[Selene]

Selene listen close. All you talk about is your pope and your catholic church. You are not alone. All other denominations do the exact same thing! 

But guess what? That is not how the Holy Spirit speaks to us!
You can rant all you want about your pope and your church but I am not deceived!

Sorry, Visionary, but no Church other than the Catholic Church can claim to be a king like her Lord Jesus Christ who divinely created her. 

When St. John wrote Revelations 17, the Church at Babylon was already set up in Rome.  This was the Roman Church that St. Peter spoke about (1 Peter 5:13); therefore, St. John was not referring to the Roman Church, but to the Roman empire.  The Roman empire oppressed the Jewish people (God's chosen people) and killed many Christians (God's chosen people).  And look at what God has done.  He has planted His Church in the very heart of the enemy.  That Church was the Church at Babylon that St. Peter spoke about.  That Church today became the Roman Catholic Church.  God heard the cries of His chosen ones and defeated the enemy by planting His Church in the very heart of the enemy so that the enemy now becomes the footstool.  And today, the Roman Catholic Church is still standing.  The Roman Empire, on the other hand, fell. 

Luke 10:19  Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you.

[Visionary]

The one who sins publicly is to be rebuked publicly...1Corinthians 4:8,9
You speak about things you know nothing about Selene!

[Selene]

The one who sins publicly is to be rebuked publicly...1Corinthians 4:8,9
You speak about things you know nothing about Selene!

Visionary, what you quoted in 1 Corinthians speaks about boasting.  I was not boasting.  I was telling the truth.  The Catholic Church is a priest, a prophet, and a king.  No other church on earth other than the Catholic Church can claim all these three things. 

When St. John wrote Revelations 17, the Church at Babylon was already set up in Rome.  This was the Roman Church that St. Peter spoke about (1 Peter 5:13); therefore, St. John was not referring to the Roman Church, but to the Roman empire.  The Roman empire oppressed the Jewish people (God's chosen people) and killed many Christians (God's chosen people).  And look at what God has done.  He has planted His Church in the very heart of the enemy.  That Church was the Church at Babylon that St. Peter spoke about.  That Church today became the Roman Catholic Church.  God heard the cries of His chosen ones and defeated the enemy by planting His Church in the very heart of the enemy so that the enemy now becomes the footstool.  And today, the Roman Catholic Church is still standing.  The Roman Empire, on the other hand, fell. 

Luke 10:19  Behold, I have given you power to tread upon serpents and scorpions, and upon all the power of the enemy: and nothing shall hurt you.

[John 10:10]

Jesus declared this parable in Matt 13,

31 He presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field;
32 and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES."

In verse 19, Jesus explains who the birds are in the parable in verse 4 - the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.

When Jesus presented the pabable of the mustard seed, He explained the last condition of the kingdom of heaven would be a church where the birds, the evil one, comes and nests in its tree branches.  

A true mustard seed has fantastic power and pungency, but is not supposed to grow into a tree.  A true mustard seed grows into a plant that produces mustard seeds and greens.  It is un-natural for a mustard seed to grow into a tree.  But this mustrard seed grew into a tree, and THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES.

He that has ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church.

[Selene]

Jesus declared this parable in Matt 13,

31 He presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field;
32 and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES."

In verse 19, Jesus explains who the birds are in the parable in verse 4 - the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.

When Jesus presented the pabable of the mustard seed, He explained the last condition of the kingdom of heaven would be a church where the birds, the evil one, comes and nests in its tree branches.  

The birds of the air is evil? The Bible does not say that the birds are evil. 

A true mustard seed has fantastic power and pungency, but is not supposed to grow into a tree.  A true mustard seed grows into a plant that produces mustard seeds and greens.  It is un-natural for a mustard seed to grow into a tree.  But this mustrard seed grew into a tree, and THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES.

The mustard seed is not supposed to grow into a large tree?  But that is what Jesus is saying.  The mustard seed did grow into a large tree because that is what Jesus is saying about the power of faith.  If you have faith even as small as a mustard seed, you can move a mountain and nothing would be impossible for you (Matthew 17:19).  Therefore, that mustard seed is supposed to grow into a large tree just as Jesus says because Jesus is Truth.

[Catholica]

Jesus declared this parable in Matt 13,

31 He presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven is like a mustard seed, which a man took and sowed in his field;
32 and this is smaller than all other seeds, but when it is full grown, it is larger than the garden plants and becomes a tree, so that THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES."

In verse 19, Jesus explains who the birds are in the parable in verse 4 - the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is the one on whom seed was sown beside the road.

When Jesus presented the pabable of the mustard seed, He explained the last condition of the kingdom of heaven would be a church where the birds, the evil one, comes and nests in its tree branches.  

A true mustard seed has fantastic power and pungency, but is not supposed to grow into a tree.  A true mustard seed grows into a plant that produces mustard seeds and greens.  It is un-natural for a mustard seed to grow into a tree.  But this mustrard seed grew into a tree, and THE BIRDS OF THE AIR come and NEST IN ITS BRANCHES.

He that has ears to hear, let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the Church.

Hmm, how do you know that the Protestant Churches are not the "branches" of the mustard tree that is the Catholic Church?

[John 10:10]

Scripture always interprets Scripture.  

When Jesus interpreted the parable given in Matt 13:4 where He said "the birds came and devoured them" (the seeds), He said in verse 19 the birds were "the evil one (who) comes and snatches away what has been sown in the heart."

When Jesus gave the parable of the mustard seed which becomes a tree and "the birds of the air come and nest in its branches" (verse 32), Jesus was telling us that the evil one would come and nest in the branches of an un-natural tree that was not of His making.

Any church or person, including Protestant, that sets itself up as God to the life of the Believer and sinner is not the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

[mclees8]

Scripture always interprets Scripture. 

When Jesus interpreted the parable given in Matt 13:4 where He said "the birds came and devoured them" (the seeds), He said in verse 19 the birds were "the evil one (who) comes and snatches away what has been sown in the heart."

When Jesus gave the parable of the mustard seed which becomes a tree and "the birds of the air come and nest in its branches" (verse 32), Jesus was telling us that the evil one would come and nest in the branches of an un-natural tree that was not of His making.

Any church, including Protestant, that sets itself up as God to the life of the Believer and sinner is not the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ.

This parable could have many  applications. It speeks of things that start out small but become very large. This represents the church that Jesus started

The birds are the corrupters that find haven in its branches. They are like the leaven which represents apostasy that also starts out small but eventually corrupts the whole loaf. So who are the corrupter's. The corrupter's are those who change and distort what was first began. They are motivated for self and take advantage of tree. In this case the church that Jesus started

God bless


 

[Visionary]

How many kings rule over a kingdom? How can the woman who is the church be a king? Where did Jesus ever say his church would be king? ONE. CANNOT. NEVER.

[Selene]

How many kings rule over a kingdom? How can the woman who is the church be a king? Where did Jesus ever say his church would be king? ONE. CANNOT. NEVER.

Visionary, the Hebrews who came out of Egypt were slaves, but they were God's chosen people.  He turned His chosen people into a king.  The group of slaves that came out of Egypt became a king....Israel.  They are a king among many.  God did the same to His Church because we are also His chosen ones. 

John 15:16  You have not chosen me: but I have chosen you; and have appointed you, that you should go, and should bring forth fruit; and your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.

The Catholic Church is a king among many leaders just like Israel, His chosen people.  The Catholic Church has brought forth fruits.  There are over 1 billion Catholics worldwide, and the number is growing especially in Asia and Africa (continents that are mostly pagans).  We have opened up schools, hospitals, missions, shelters, orphanges, and other charitable organizations to help the poor, the elderly, the sick, and the orphans.  Like Israel, we are not a perfect Church, but we have brought forth fruits. 

[Visionary]

We all know about Satans pride Selene. He is king of this world. How is it you were so deceived to think the church is king? Since when has a bride ever been given the title of king? I suppose only in Selenes Kingdom but not in God's! JESUS IS LORD! No one can say this except by the Holy Spirit. And when he has destroyed the last enemy Jesus will hand the kingdom over to God then shall there be one KING over the lords of the earth. So be it. Amen.

[Selene]

We all know about Satans pride Selene. He is king of this world. How is it you were so deceived to think the church is king? Since when has a bride ever been given the title of king? I suppose only in Selenes Kingdom but not in God's! JESUS IS LORD! No one can say this except by the Holy Spirit. And when he has destroyed the last enemy Jesus will hand the kingdom over to God then shall there be one KING over the lords of the earth. So be it. Amen.

If I was full of pride, I would have said that we are a perfect Church, but as you can see in my last post, I said, "Like Israel, we are NOT a perfect Church, but we have brought forth fruits." 

As I told you before, the Church that Christ built is a reflection of Him.  Christ is a priest, a prophet, and a king.  The Church resembles Christ because she is also a priest, a prophet (in that she proclaims God's Word to the world), and a king (in that she is a governing nation among leaders).  Just because the Church is considered feminine does not mean that she is not a king.  She is a king because she reflects the image of the One who built her.  In the same way, I am a female, but I am also made in the image of God. 

[Visionary]

Have you ever seen the King Selene? No man can. Likewise you dont know who you are arguing against. I tell you the truth, The King will come and he will say, kill those in front of me who did not want me to be king over them.

[Selene]

Have you ever seen the King Selene? No man can. Likewise you dont know who you are arguing against. I tell you the truth, The King will come and he will say, kill those in front of me who did not want me to be king over them.

I don't know who I'm arguing against?  Are you Christ?  You are telling me the Truth?  I know that Christ is a king and I've already told you that the Church that Christ built is a reflection of Him. Didn't you know that it was God who made kings.  He even made David, His annoited one into a king (2 Samuel 2:1-5).  God turned a shepherd boy into a king because that shepherd boy was His chosen one.  That is the truth.   

[Visionary]

Give it a rest Selene. You have lied and you have rejected the living word of God given to you. Furthermore you have twisted the scriptures you post in an attempt to justify yourself. Since your only king is pope whoever know this: JESUS IS LORD!

[Catholica]

Have you ever seen the King Selene? No man can. Likewise you dont know who you are arguing against. I tell you the truth, The King will come and he will say, kill those in front of me who did not want me to be king over them.

And the King of kings commands you thus, Visionary:

1Pet. 2:13 Be subject to every human institution for the Lord's sake, whether it be to the king as supreme
1Pet. 2:14 or to governors as sent by him for the punishment of evildoers and the approval of those who do good.
1Pet. 2:15 For it is the will of God that by doing good you may silence the ignorance of foolish people.
1Pet. 2:16 Be free, yet without using freedom as a pretext for evil, but as slaves of God.
1Pet. 2:17 Give honor to all, love the community, fear God, honor the king.  

So if you consider the Pope a king, then perhaps God is telling you to obey him.   

Truly, the Pope is not a king in the meaning of a "king" meant by this verse; he is simply a prime minister.  Jesus Christ is our king.

[mclees8]

We all know about Satans pride Selene. He is king of this world. How is it you were so deceived to think the church is king? Since when has a bride ever been given the title of king? I suppose only in Selenes Kingdom but not in God's! JESUS IS LORD! No one can say this except by the Holy Spirit. And when he has destroyed the last enemy Jesus will hand the kingdom over to God then shall there be one KING over the lords of the earth. So be it. Amen.

If I was full of pride, I would have said that we are a perfect Church, but as you can see in my last post, I said, "Like Israel, we are NOT a perfect Church, but we have brought forth fruits." 

As I told you before, the Church that Christ built is a reflection of Him.  Christ is a priest, a prophet, and a king.  The Church resembles Christ because she is also a priest, a prophet (in that she proclaims God's Word to the world), and a king (in that she is a governing nation among leaders).  Just because the Church is considered feminine does not mean that she is not a king.  She is a king because she reflects the image of the One who built her.  In the same way, I am a female, but I am also made in the image of God. 

Not this church Selene
Rev18: 7  Listen to the sobering words

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues. 5 For her sins have reached unto heaven, and God hath remembered her iniquities. 6 Reward her even as she rewarded you, and double unto her double according to her works: in the cup which she hath filled fill to her double. 7 How much she hath glorified herself, and lived deliciously, so much torment and sorrow give her: for she saith in her heart, I sit a queen, and am no widow, and shall see no sorrow. 8 Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

[mclees8]

I would like to show you something interesting . Look at REV 13:1 that speaks of the rise of the antichrist

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the namea of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority


Now lets look at REV 17:3 The Harlot Christian church

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and deckeda with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Here we see religious and political babylon.  Do you find it interesting that they both are described as having seven heads and ten horns.

Either they are one and the same or they are joined at the hip. they sleep in the same bed together

Is it little wonder the the Lord says to come out of her.

Something to seriously consider Selene

[chestertonrules]

I would like to show you something interesting . Look at REV 13:1 that speaks of the rise of the antichrist

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the namea of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority


Now lets look at REV 17:3 The Harlot Christian church

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and deckeda with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Here we see religious and political babylon.  Do you find it interesting that they both are described as having seven heads and ten horns.

Either they are one and the same or they are joined at the hip. they sleep in the same bed together

Is it little wonder the the Lord says to come out of her.

Something to seriously consider Selene

And this is relevant to the Body of Christ in what way?

Jesus started a single Church.  Some choose to reject this Church.

I think that is a dangerous decision to make.

[mclees8]

I would like to show you something interesting . Look at REV 13:1 that speaks of the rise of the antichrist

1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the namea of blasphemy. 2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority


Now lets look at REV 17:3 The Harlot Christian church

So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. 4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and deckeda with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Here we see religious and political babylon.  Do you find it interesting that they both are described as having seven heads and ten horns.

Either they are one and the same or they are joined at the hip. they sleep in the same bed together

Is it little wonder the the Lord says to come out of her.

Something to seriously consider Selene

And this is relevant to the Body of Christ in what way?

Jesus started a single Church.  Some choose to reject this Church.

I think that is a dangerous decision to make.

It is very relevant t the body for the body looks to the leaders for guidence. Yes Jesus started a single church and it is still one church today. No denominations. How ever man has divided, we have divided it.  Im not sure what you are saying about some reject this church.

The Church of REV 17 is a specific church that is christian tat the world looks to as representing Christianity. It has religious and political ties How ever Babylon is far reaching infecting other Christian church denominations also. 

When the church and the body look more and more to political solutions to world problems the more it is in Babylon (the world religious and political systems) and the more it looks to antichrist.

Jesus says we are not to be of this world. To put know faith in it or men of it. Do not love it or be any part of it. We are in the world but not of it.

[mclees8]

Oops sorry for the typing  errors

God bless

[Jimmy]

RCC and EO are to the NT Church what the Scribes and Pharisees were to the Law of Moses.  Jesus spoke out vehemently against the Scribes and Pharisees.  That system was effectively wiped out by the destruction of Jersalem in A.D. 70.  After only two or three centuries, RCC revived it with all vim and vigor.

[chestertonrules]

RCC and EO are to the NT Church what the Scribes and Pharisees were to the Law of Moses.  Jesus spoke out vehemently against the Scribes and Pharisees.  That system was effectively wiped out by the destruction of Jersalem in A.D. 70.  After only two or three centuries, RCC revived it with all vim and vigor.

Jesus promised to remain with his Church until the end of the World.

What makes you think he broke his promise?

[Jimmy]

RCC and EO are to the NT Church what the Scribes and Pharisees were to the Law of Moses.  Jesus spoke out vehemently against the Scribes and Pharisees.  That system was effectively wiped out by the destruction of Jersalem in A.D. 70.  After only two or three centuries, RCC revived it with all vim and vigor.

Jesus promised to remain with his Church until the end of the World.

What makes you think he broke his promise?

I don't think that He broke his promise.  But I also don't think that the RCC is "His Church".  I think the RCC is the church of the Pope and his minions, i.e, bishops, priests, whatever in the heirarchy.

Jesus is with us until the end of the age in the person of the Holy Spirit, not Pope whatizname.

[Visionary]

God bless. Jesus is able to save completely all who come to him. F Y I the church is his body. He alone is the head. Ephesians 4

[chestertonrules]

I don't think that He broke his promise.  But I also don't think that the RCC is "His Church".  I think the RCC is the church of the Pope and his minions, i.e, bishops, priests, whatever in the heirarchy.

Jesus is with us until the end of the age in the person of the Holy Spirit, not Pope whatizname.

The early Church didn't disappear, it has grown and prospered.   What makes you think the early Church failed?

[Jimmy]

I don't think that He broke his promise.  But I also don't think that the RCC is "His Church".  I think the RCC is the church of the Pope and his minions, i.e, bishops, priests, whatever in the heirarchy.

Jesus is with us until the end of the age in the person of the Holy Spirit, not Pope whatizname.

The early Church didn't disappear, it has grown and prospered.   What makes you think the early Church failed?

Yes the early Church has grown and prospered, in spite of the Pope whatizname.  The early Church has not failed.  It has grown and prospered due to the Holy Spirit.  Not your pope.  The "early Church" is the Church of Jesus Christ, not the RCC.