How many PLANS of salvation are there ??

[dan p]

Hi to all and many believers think that there is only one plan of salvation , and only  ONE  GOSPEL  and I believe that there are at least 3 PLANS .

#1 , And since Acts 9 , which is 2000 years ago , it has been by Grace , Eph 2:8 .

#2 ,  At the end of the Great  Tribulation Israel will be saved and be a Kings and Priests unto God and His  Father , Rev 1:6  ;  Isa 66:8  , Israel will be born again , before they enter the Millennium .

#3 , Then , there the Gentiles who will be saved during the Millennial reign of Christ ,  Rom 11:17-23 .

So , I then see 3 different ways that God will deal with Jews and Gentiles , so there is more than  ONE  GOSPEL !!

DAN P

[Seriousseeker]

There are probably as many plans as people will invent, but that doesn't mean they are God's plan (see Isa. 55:8).

- Seriousseeker

[Feedmysheep]

  During the great tribulation there is a gospel preached not by men but by an angel or possibly angels. This is in Revelation 14. It is called the eternal gospel. The contents of this eternal gospel seem to be a general warning to worship the Creator God. It remind me of things said in the first chapter of Romans, that no one has an excuse to not believe in a Creator God.

I have been taught and persuaded so far that the sheep and goats that are judged before Christ in Matthew 25:31-46 are being judged according to this eternal gospel preached from the air by the angel in the last three and one half years of this age. This is just before the second coming of Christ.

This is a brief word on Revelation 14:6-7 and Matt. 25:31-46. I derive this interpretation mainly from the footnotes of the Recovery Version Bible.

[Seriousseeker]

On second thought I think we do have to allow for God's hope to the world, rather than just think of this present age (ref. Rev. 7:4-10;  Rev. 21:23-24).   I am surprised I was not challenged on that earlier.

You seem to be right, Dan in a general sense, but salvation at the end of the Tribulation is quite different, for it is God's grace on the world after the bride is taken to Heaven.  Besides salvation in Christ as a heavenly people, there will be the grace of God on restored Israel and a "great multitude" of Gentiles as an earthly people forever, as per the verses stated here above.

Thank you, Lord!

- Seriousseeker 

[Feedmysheep]

SS, Your reference to Isa. 55:9 is good, I think.  We tend to be very "man centered" when we even use the word "salvation". This can be limiting because the Bible also contains reference to God's "eternal purpose" in the book of Ephesians.

I mean, aside from the matter of rescuing man from his bad problems with God, God has an eternal purpose. Salvation in terms of rescue is largly a matter of bringing man back to God's original intention for man, had not sin and death entered at all.

When Revelation says that the sons of God will reign forever and ever, it seems reasonable that it is not talking about them reigning over each other. There must be someones on the earth for them to reign over besides themselves. The sheep transfered from the great tribulation time must be those people over whom the sons of God reign, heal, serve, shepherd with Christ, etc. And this reigning of the sons of God over the transfered nations apparently starts in the millennium and continues through into eternity.

I have been persuaded so far that God's eternal purpose is with these sons of God. Their enjoyment is something planned "before the foundation of the world" (Eph. 1:4). But the sheep nations transfered from the tribulation into the millennial kingdom enjoy a kingdom prepared "from the foundation of the world" (Matt. 25:34)

The former case seems to be according to God's eternal purpose before creation came into being. The second case seems to be according to something prepared for Adam at the time the Edenic paradise was prepared for man.

His thoughts and ways are higher then ours.
 

[dan p]

 
Hi seriousseeker , if you keep looking at what I have written I am right and the scriptures are dead on , so keep studying .

I have written it on many forums and it is irrefutable , dan p

[Apothecary 4 Christ]

, so there is more than  ONE  GOSPEL !!

DAN P

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8-9)

[Thankfulldad]

, so there is more than  ONE  GOSPEL !!

DAN P

"But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed." (Galatians 1:8-9)

Yep...one gospel; Amen!

Many see Jesus as an example; however, He is that and infinitely more...He is the Gospel of God!

[dan p]

  Hi , and I have never seen where it says  ,  " one gospel  "  have you ,  dan p

[Apothecary 4 Christ]

  Hi , and I have never seen where it says  ,  " one gospel  "  have you ,  dan p

Because I am not yet sanctified enough to let stuff like this go....

Have you ever seen where it says "two gospels" or "three gospels" or "many gospels?"

[dan p]

On second thought I think we do have to allow for God's hope to the world, rather than just think of this present age (ref. Rev. 7:4-10;  Rev. 21:23-24).   I am surprised I was not challenged on that earlier.

You seem to be right, Dan in a general sense, but salvation at the end of the Tribulation is quite different, for it is God's grace on the world after the bride is taken to Heaven.  Besides salvation in Christ as a heavenly people, there will be the grace of God on restored Israel and a "great multitude" of Gentiles as an earthly people forever, as per the verses stated here above.

Thank you, Lord!

- Seriousseeker 

  Hi Seriousseeker , and why would you question my Salvation as God is the only that knows .  I have been and adult teacher and am an a Pauline dispensationalist and I have known of Isa 55:9 for a long time and can accept criticism or correction .

  What does Rev 7:4 - 10  have to do with the  OP ?

Is the Body of Christ in view in Rev 7:4 - 10 ??

Why are the 144,000  sealed  ?

  Who is the # 666  directed to , Jews or Gentiles ??

  If you have any problems to these questions , please feel free to  ask < dan p

[HRoberson]

There are no plans of salvation.

There is a single Gospel which is an invitation to return to Life with God.

[zoonance]

There are no plans of salvation.

There is a single Gospel which is an invitation to return to Life with God.

I agree.    Who coined the phrase "plan of salvation" anyway?

[dan p]

 Hi , and just where is a verse that says  " one gospel " ??   dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

It doesn't say that, because that would imply that they at least thought about some other gospel.

It says THE gospel, with the understanding that there is only the one.

[dan p]

 
Hi , and then give me a verse of what gospel you are talking about ?  

Thank  you for a least saying that there is no0t  " one gospel "  mentioned in the Bible .  dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

The ONLY gospel is stated in several ways:

The kingdom of God is at hand.
We are the body of Christ, and He is our head.
We are the lively stones of the temple of God, and Christ is the foundation and the capstone.
If we are crucified with Him, we also live (are resurrected) with Him.
All authority has been given to Him, and we rule and reign with Him.

They are all equivalent statements expressing the same good news: God has come as a man, conquered sin and death, assumed the kingship and the priesthood, reconciled men to Himself, and lives and works still in the world, through us.

[dan p]

 Hi , and where is that verse found , dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

The New Testament

Matthew 3:2, 4:17, 10:7
Mark 1:15
Luke 12:31
Romans 12:5
1Corinthians 3:17, 6:19, 12:12
Ephesians 2:19-22, 5:30
1Peter 2:4-8

plus more...

[dan p]

The ONLY gospel is stated in several ways:

The kingdom of God is at hand.
We are the body of Christ, and He is our head.
We are the lively stones of the temple of God, and Christ is the foundation and the capstone.
If we are crucified with Him, we also live (are resurrected) with Him.
All authority has been given to Him, and we rule and reign with Him.

They are all equivalent statements expressing the same good news: God has come as a man, conquered sin and death, assumed the kingship and the priesthood, reconciled men to Himself, and lives and works still in the world, through us.

Hi  W,S ,  and there are 6 gospels ;

#1 , The Gospel of the Kingdom in Luke 4:43 ;  8:1

#2 , The Gospel of the Grace o0f God , Acts 20:24

#3 , The Abrahamic Gospel in Gal 3:8 , taken from Gen 12 .

#4 , The birth of John the Baptist , in Luke 1;19

#5 , The birth of Jesus called a Gospel in Luke 2:10

#6 , The Everlasting Gospel in Rev 14:6-7 .

The gospel for today is found in 1 Cor 15:1-4 ,  dan p

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

1,2,3,5, & 6 are all the same thing.

4 is an example of good news intended for someone over a specific event.

[cs80918]

SAME GOSPEL.

ALL 3 OF THE WAYS YOU MENTIONED ALL off them believe in Jesus.

[dan p]

 
Hi , and what most believers fail to see , is the timeline , as there is a timeline for each and happen at different times .

Just there are 3 major Resurrections !!!   with different timelines , care to tell mw when ?  dan p

[passingthrough]

Feedmysheep says:

"I have been taught and persuaded so far that the sheep and goats that are judged before Christ in Matthew 25:31-46 are being judged according to this eternal gospel preached from the air by the angel in the last three and one half years of this age. This is just before the second coming of Christ."

Since we know there is no other Savior than Christ, then that everlasting gospel has to be that the coming King is also the Savior and Lord to whom allegiance and worship is demanded.

The gospel of the angel in Rev. 14:6 I believe is only preaching the same gospel that the Lord said would be preached that He identified as "the gospel of the kingdom

[HRoberson]

Hi , and just where is a verse that says  " one gospel " ??   dan p

Well, let's see.....there are references to The Gospel, seemingly limiting the number rather severely, and then there is that pesky verse that says even if an Angel brings you a Gospel other than the one we preached.....or perhaps, The good news of Jesus Christ.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

[marcus]

Hi , and just where is a verse that says  " one gospel " ??   dan p

Well, let's see.....there are references to The Gospel, seemingly limiting the number rather severely, and then there is that pesky verse that says even if an Angel brings you a Gospel other than the one we preached.....or perhaps, The good news of Jesus Christ.

Seems pretty straight forward to me.

Yip, that seems very easy to understand in my books, a blind man on a galloping horse can see your logic. I would still love to see Dan p showing where we have the term 'two or three Gospels' quoted by the writers of the N/T. Then I think of Paul saying in Eph 4 v 5 that there is 'one faith', and Jude 3 saying to contend for the faith (singular,not many faiths). Can we prove that Paul's 'one faith' in Eph 4 v 5 is the one Gospel which he preached, sure we can....

   " But what does it say? ' The word is near you,in your mouths and in your hearts' (that is, the word of faith which we preach). That is, if you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved".......Romans 10 v 8-9.

Without a doubt when Paul uses the word 'faith' in Romans 10 v 8-9, he simply means Gospel, because he then says that he preaches that faith, and the following verses show it clearly!

Sorry Dan p, but you are way off the mark with this one!   Marcus

[passingthrough]

Apothecary 4 Christ says:

"Have you ever seen where it says "two gospels" or "three gospels" or "many gospels?"

It would perhaps clear away some of the confusion if we clarify the word "gospel

[stevehut]

So , I then see 3 different ways that God will deal with Jews and Gentiles , so there is more than  ONE  GOSPEL !!

Dan, I believe that God reaches out to different people in different ways. They may start from different places, but they all must end in the same place: Everyone must respond with faith, repentance, and good works.  ONE GOSPEL.

[stevehut]

It would perhaps clear away some of the confusion if we clarify the word "gospel

[passingthrough]

stevehut says

Methinks you're overthinking this. In this conversation the word "Gospel" just means, generically, "the message."  The question at hand (as I understand it), is whether different people get saved in different ways.  And my answer is no (as above).

I have posted the following earlier this morning.

It would perhaps clear away some of the confusion if we clarify the word "gospel

[stevehut]

But today the problem is the word 'gospel' has taken on a meaning other than the original NT usage. In a corrupted form and apart from a biblical setting,

Cool your jets, man.  I understood you just fine the first time.   

But that doesn't help us answer the question at hand.

[Joyfullee]

Rom 1:16   For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

1Cr 1:17   For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.

Eph 1:13   In whom ye also [trusted], after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,


What was/is the mystery that was revealed to Paul (and holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit) which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men?

Eph 3:6   That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

Hbr 4:2   For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard [it].

Eph 4:4  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling:

5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

6  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all,  and in you all.


From Strong's for:  gospel (G2098)
1) a reward for good tidings
2) good tidings
a) the glad tidings of the kingdom of God soon to be set up, and subsequently also of Jesus the Messiah, the founder of this kingdom. After the death of Christ, the term comprises also the preaching of (concerning) Jesus Christ as having suffered death on the cross to procure eternal salvation for the men in the kingdom of God, but as restored to life and exalted to the right hand of God in heaven, thence to return in majesty to consummate the kingdom of God
b) the glad tidings of salvation through Christ
c) the proclamation of the grace of God manifest and pledged in Christ
d) the gospel
e) as the messianic rank of Jesus was proved by his words, his deeds, and his death, the narrative of the sayings, deeds, and death of Jesus Christ came to be called the gospel or glad tidings

From Strong's for: gospel (G2097

1) to bring good news, to announce glad tidings
a) used in the OT of any kind of good news
1) of the joyful tidings of God's kindness, in particular, of the Messianic blessings
b) in the NT used especially of the glad tidings of the coming kingdom of God, and of the salvation to be obtained in it through Christ, and of what relates to this salvation
c) glad tidings are brought to one, one has glad tidings proclaimed to him
d) to proclaim glad tidings
1) instruct (men) concerning the things that pertain to Christian salvation


Gal 1:8   But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.

Gal 1:9   As we said before, so say I now again, If any [man] preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

Blessings