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Basis of 1832 Unity Proposal

Started by blituri, Tue Jan 18, 2011 - 21:02:07

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 The Lord's people remained a united body from the meeting in Lexington, Ky., in 1832 to 1849. At that time in Lexington my (H. Leo. Boles)  grandfather (Racoon John Smith) presented the New Testament teaching for unity. He said, in part, the following:

http://www.piney.com/Unity.Boles.html

    "God has but one people on the earth. He has given to them but one Book, and therein exhorts and commands them to be one family. A union such as we plead for--a union of God's people on that one Book--must, then, be practicable.

    "Every Christian desires to stand complete in the whole will of God. The prayer of the Savior, and the whole tenor of this teaching, clearly show that it is God's will that his children should be united. To the Christian, then, such a union must be desirable.

    "But an amalgamation of sects is not such a union as Christ prayed for and God enjoins. To agree to be one upon any system of human inventions would be contrary to his will, and could never be a blessing to the church or the world; therefore, the only union practicable or desirable must be based on the word of God as the only rule of faith and practice...

    "I have the more cheerfully resolved on this course,
           because the gospel is a system of facts, commands, and promises,
           and no deduction or inference from them,
           however logical or true, forms any part of the gospel of Jesus Christ.

No heaven is promised to those who hold them, and no hell is threatened to those who deny them. They do not constitute, singly or together, an item of the ancient and apostolic gospel.

While there is but one faith, there may be ten thousand opinions;
       and, hence, if Christians are ever to be one, they must be one in faith,
       and not in opinion.

When certain subjects arise, even in conversation or social discussion, about which there is a contrariety of opinion and sensitiveness of feeling,
        speak of them in the words of the Scripture,
        and no offense will be given and no pride of doctrine will be encouraged.

We may even come, in the end, by thus speaking the same things, to think the same things.

    "For several years past I have stood pledged to meet the religious world, or any part of it, on the ancient gospel and order of things as presented in the words of the Book. This is the foundation on which Christians once stood, and on it they can, and ought to, stand again.

    From this I cannot depart to meet any man, or set of men, in the wide world. While, for the sake of peace and Christian union, I have long since waived the public maintenance of any speculation I may hold, yet no one gospel fact, commandment, or promise will I surrender for the world" (Life of Elder John Smith, pages 452-454.)


Boles continues:

This is the ground of unity that was accepted in 1832 by the Stone and Campbell groups; it is the fundamental teaching of the New Testament. Such a unity honors the truth of God, respects the authority of Christ, and glorifies God.

IN 1834 Stone denied that he could unite with Campbell:

In The Christian Messenger for November, 1834, is quoted an article from the Millennial Harbinger (Campbell's paper) as follows:

Campbell: "Or does he (Stone) think that one or two individuals, of and for themselves, should propose and effect a formal union among the hundred of congregations scattered over this continent, called Christians or Disciples, without calling upon the different congregations to express an opinion or a wish upon the subject?

We discover, or think we discover, a squinting at [14]  some sort of precedency or priority in the claims of the writer of the above article," etc.


Apparently Stone had been boasting.  Stone responded to Campbell's denyng there was any unity with the retort:

Stone: It is well known that Mr. Campbell insisted upon immersion before believers were received into fellowship, to which Stone answered:

"We cannot, with our present views, unite on the opinions that unimmersed persons cannot receive remission of sins."


IN 1837:

We have quoted Alexander Campbell in the Lunenburg Letters to prove that in 1837 he rejected that there could be any unity with the Christians.

http://www.piney.com/AC.Lunenburg.Orig.html

What difference does it make?

All of those influenced by the Stone-Campbell Movement (Leroy Garrett)--NACC combine of "unity" meetings meaning "you add instruments", claim -- unable to blush -- that the  Church of Christ SECTED OUT of the Christian Church in the 1906 census.

The hand-shake agreement recorded by Racoon John Smith proves that all of those people who met, agreed on the Bible as sole authority and that no human opinion could be imposed to be believed and practiced.

Therefore, claiming that the Campbells "inherited" the CENI from John Calvin is absolutely false and it is a fact that BEFORE the addition of innovations everyone would have agreed With The Apostolic Documents being the only authority.

http://www.piney.com/ComExamInfer.html

As history records virtually 100% of the people were offended by the forced introduction of instruments into the Disciples/Christian churches.  Many left and those who remained--even in modern examples--and continued to be offended because they refused to be cast out of their own synagogue. As PRE PLANNED the younger generation would never hear the truth because NO instrumental group will fellowhip anyone who continues to teach the Bible.

Therefore, using the "SECTARIAN" RACA word in order to lade a guilt trip on Churches of
Christ to FORCE them to COMPLY or CONFIRM was and is untrue and constitutes psychological violence.

HRoberson

Quote from: blituri on Tue Jan 18, 2011 - 21:02:07
As history records virtually 100% of the people were offended by the forced introduction of instruments into the Disciples/Christian churches.  Many left and those who remained--even in modern examples--and continued to be offended because they refused to be cast out of their own synagogue. As PRE PLANNED the younger generation would never hear the truth because NO instrumental group will fellowhip anyone who continues to teach the Bible.

Therefore, using the "SECTARIAN" RACA word in order to lade a guilt trip on Churches of
Christ to FORCE them to COMPLY or CONFIRM was and is untrue and constitutes psychological violence.
Again, no one was "forced out." If they left, they left of their own volition after failing to maintain their ability to enforce their a capella preference.

Actually, we hold joint services with instrumental groups at least once a year. Apparently, they fellowship us.

blituri

#2
I'm sure that you trump Jesus: He cast the musical minstrels "like dung."

He called the pipers, singers and dancers CHILDREN which if you can read Isaiah 3 will make you blush (or maybe not).

I'm sure that they are happy for you to affirm them: isn't that a bit of ego?

Ezek 22:28 And her prophets have
        daubed them with untempered [Taphel, Tabret, frivolity] morter,
        seeing vanity, and divining lies [magical songs] unto them, saying,
        Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.

Musica and Magica and Exegetice are grouped having the same meaning:

măgĭcus, I.of or belonging to magic, magic, magical , Skilled in INCANTATONS
magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae, Memnon is I.son of Tithonus and Aurora: The black marble statue of Memnon, near Thebes, when struck by the first beams of the sun [Lucifer Rising], gave forth a sound like that of a lute-string, which was regarded as Memnon's greeting to his mother.


HRoberson

Quote from: blituri on Tue Jan 18, 2011 - 22:36:37
I'm sure that you trump Jesus: He cast the musical minstrels "like dung."

He called the pipers, singers and dancers CHILDREN which if you can read Isaiah 3 will make you blush (or maybe not).

I'm sure that they are happy for you to affirm them: isn't that a bit of ego?

Ezek 22:28 And her prophets have
        daubed them with untempered [Taphel, Tabret, frivolity] morter,
        seeing vanity, and divining lies [magical songs] unto them, saying,
        Thus saith the Lord God, when the Lord hath not spoken.

Musica and Magica and Exegetice are grouped having the same meaning:

măgĭcus, I.of or belonging to magic, magic, magical , Skilled in INCANTATONS
magicae resonant ubi Memnone chordae, Memnon is I.son of Tithonus and Aurora: The black marble statue of Memnon, near Thebes, when struck by the first beams of the sun [Lucifer Rising], gave forth a sound like that of a lute-string, which was regarded as Memnon's greeting to his mother.

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