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Started by Memphis Dwight, Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:11:43

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Memphis Dwight

A man walked up to the big church building with his big family and noticed that there were many entrances.   This was a pentagon shaped building with doors on every side.   But as he and his family tried to walk inside one of the doors, they were stopped by an usher informing them that was not room there for him and his family.   The man peeked over the usher's shoulder and could see a very large auditorium and plenty of vacant pews.  
Twelve year old Rachel was starting to cry, "Daddy, I knew this would happen again, lets just go home.

fish153

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:11:43
A man walked up to the big church building with his big family and noticed that there were many entrances.   This was a pentagon shaped building with doors on every side.   But as he and his family tried to walk inside one of the doors, they were stopped by an usher informing them that was not room there for him and his family.   The man peeked over the usher's shoulder and could see a very large auditorium and plenty of vacant pews.  
Twelve year old Rachel was starting to cry, "Daddy, I knew this would happen again, lets just go home.

chosenone

Good grief
There arent many churches that would allow a man who is being unfaithful to his wife, sleeping with other women, and who has several illegimate children to become members. Not until he has been Biblically challenged and has repented that is.(and rightly so)

Fish, from anyone else this WOULD be an april fools joke, from memphis it is serious. ::frown::

Memphis Dwight

This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

Joyfullee

What is the purpose of the three mommies?  How would an usher know that?  I don't get it.

Blessings

Memphis Dwight

blessings and manna to you, Joyfullee for seeking out Jesus and by asking a sincere question. 
The man in story found himself called by God to be a servant to a larger than average family.  He followed the bible and chose to care for three wives.   
blessings and thank you

Joyfullee

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:42:24
blessings and manna to you, Joyfullee for seeking out Jesus and by asking a sincere question. 
The man in story found himself called by God to be a servant to a larger than average family.  He followed the bible and chose to care for three wives.   
blessings and thank you

Thank you for answering my question MD.

OK, so you're saying this man had three wives, right?  You also said "he followed the bible."

What do you do with these?

1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

Tts 1:6 If any be blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of riot or unruly.

Blessings




Memphis Dwight

Thanks for the follow up question, Joyfullee.  By the way, I like your name.   Very nice.  

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the qualifications of the bishop.  

Can a bishop be single?  No
Can a bishop have more than one wife?  No

If this qualification extends to every christian man, then every christian man can neither be single nor can he have more than one wife.  

Jesus said that man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  This man that has three wives does not want to go against what Jesus has spoken.  None of his wives have committed fornication thus he would be sinning should he divorce any of his wives.

Joyfullee

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 12:23:47
Thanks for the follow up question, Joyfullee.  By the way, I like your name.   Very nice.  

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the qualifications of the bishop.  

Can a bishop be single?  No
Can a bishop have more than one wife?  No

If this qualification extends to every christian man, then every christian man can neither be single nor can he have more than one wife.  

Jesus said that man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  This man that has three wives does not want to go against what Jesus has spoken.  None of his wives have committed fornication thus he would be sinning should he divorce any of his wives.

I don't see anywhere in God's Word where it prevents a single man from being a bishop.  (God does not call all men to be married)  I think the point is "one wife," not more than one.

From Strong's for: bishop

1) an overseer

a) a man charged with the duty of seeing that things to be done by others are done rightly, any curator, guardian or superintendent

b) the superintendent, elder, or overseer of a Christian church

A husband, any husband is responsible to God for his family, by seeing that his family does things that are "right" in the sight of God.  He is guardian over his family.  If a man cannot accomplish this in his own home (family) then he is disqualified for becoming a bishop.


1Ti 3:12 Let the deacons be the husbands of one wife, ruling their children and their own houses well.

As we see here, the same goes for a deacon.  If a man cannot rule their children, family, their own house, then he too would be disqualified for becoming a deacon.

From the beginning God said:  Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.    This does not say, "wives."

We are also given:  Eph 5:31 For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and shall be joined unto his wife, and they two shall be one flesh.

Eph 5:33 Nevertheless let every one of you in particular so love his wife even as himself; and the wife [see] that she reverence [her] husband.


Even Jesus Himself, has one wife, not several. 

Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

I don't see how divorce figures into any of this.

All in all, I do not see where God tells us in His Word that a man can have more than one wife, wherein you stated that "he followed the Bible."

Also, following your line of thinking, then God has different rules for different folks and I don't believe that is Scripturally accurate.

Blessings



Lively Stone

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

chosenone

if this guy was a Christian, it was right that he was challenged for being unfaithful to his wife, and for having illegimate children with his live in lovers.
However we have been over this umpteen times, and it is a waste of energy. The other women should be looking for their own husband isstead of sleeping with someone elses, and defiling the marriage bed.
Drink water out of your own well, confine yourself to your own wife (singluar)

chosenone

Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible.

Exactly LS, and that is why they dont go to Bible believing churches and have their own little communities and gatherings with other men who think they can all sleep around, and somehow make the women and children believe it is Gods will (not).

fish153

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 12:23:47
Thanks for the follow up question, Joyfullee.  By the way, I like your name.   Very nice.  

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the qualifications of the bishop.  

Can a bishop be single?  No
Can a bishop have more than one wife?  No

If this qualification extends to every christian man, then every christian man can neither be single nor can he have more than one wife.  

Jesus said that man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  This man that has three wives does not want to go against what Jesus has spoken.  None of his wives have committed fornication thus he would be sinning should he divorce any of his wives.

That kind of logic belongs on April fool's day, because only a fool would believe it.   ::smile::

Lively Stone

Quote from: fish153 on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:15:37
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 12:23:47
Thanks for the follow up question, Joyfullee.  By the way, I like your name.   Very nice.  

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the qualifications of the bishop.  

Can a bishop be single?  No
Can a bishop have more than one wife?  No

If this qualification extends to every christian man, then every christian man can neither be single nor can he have more than one wife.  

Jesus said that man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  This man that has three wives does not want to go against what Jesus has spoken.  None of his wives have committed fornication thus he would be sinning should he divorce any of his wives.

That kind of logic belongs on April fool's day, because only a fool would believe it.   ::smile::

Yep.

Memphis Dwight

That is interesting. I've never known of anyone that thought that the elder or the deacon could be a single man.  

I'm looking at the major translations and they all seem to be saying "husband of one wife."   So it seems as if the man in this position would need one wife, no more no less.  And if that prerequisite carried over to all christian men, then all christian men must have one wife, no more and no less.  

I've seen the numerous attempts to use the places in the bible where it states wife and not wives.   But that does not make much sense.  
Lets look at Exodus ,
And that thou mayest tell in the ears of thy son, and of thy son's son, what things I have wrought in Egypt, and my signs which I have done among them; that ye may know how that I [am] the LORD.
By the logic you are using, it would be sinful for the Israelite man to tell the story about Egypt to more than one of his sons.  

QuoteEven Jesus Himself, has one wife, not several.
You're talking metaphorically, right? I mean, its never been proven that Jesus was literally married.  
Do you agree that Jesus is God?   And if there are metaphors of Jesus/God being married to more than one wife, what would that mean to you?  Look at Ezekiel 23:4, and Jeremiah 31:32 just to list a couple of places.  

And what about 2 Corinthians 11:2?   The apostle Paul in speaking to the Corinthian church said that it was his desire that they be as a chaste virgin for Christ.   Now he didn't say I want you to be a PART of the ONE virgin for Christ.     He specified that he wanted that congregation herself to be as a chaste virgin.   And if he wanted the Corinthian church to be as a chaste virgin for Christ, then what about the other churches?  Could they all be virgins for Christ?  

QuoteI don't see how divorce figures into any of this.
Well Christ said that a man cannot divorce except for fornication.   It would go against Christ's teaching for the man to divorce two of his wives if they had not committed fornication.  

QuoteAll in all, I do not see where God tells us in His Word that a man can have more than one wife, wherein you stated that "he followed the Bible."

Also, following your line of thinking, then God has different rules for different folks and I don't believe that is Scripturally accurate

Actually the good book is chock full of men that had more than one wife.   All of the holy patriarchs and God Himself.  

I know that may not sound "scripturally accurate" but sometimes we have to separate what we think is scripture from what we've been taught by the false teachers.  We must as faithful disciples push on and bring the power of God to all.   Right?  

Memphis Dwight

Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

Don't you think that is a little bit harsh?  Don't you have just a tiny bit of compassion for these people?  They would love and embrace you I'm sure.  I know people that practice polygyny and they are some of the most qualified Christ siblings I have.  Who am I to judge.   

All I can pray is Jesus let me be humble and lowly for you each day.   AMEN

Lively Stone

Morality seems to be at a low premium even within so-called Christian minds...  ::doh::

Lively Stone

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:25:42
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

Don't you think that is a little bit harsh?  Don't you have just a tiny bit of compassion for these people?  They would love and embrace you I'm sure.  I know people that practice polygyny and they are some of the most qualified Christ siblings I have.  Who am I to judge.   

All I can pray is Jesus let me be humble and lowly for you each day.   AMEN

My compassion is for their souls and the lives of the vulnerable, morally corrupted children.

If you know people like this, then they need Jesus....really, and are not brethren to you. Who are you to judge? If you are saved, you are qualified to reach out to them and show them the truth of Jesus Christ and His word. We are to judge what sin is. If you cannot do that, your qualifier is out of whack.

Joyfullee

Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.

Same as for having more than one wife, people may do it, but it's not God's ultimate best for anyone.  That is very clear to me from God's Word.

The line of your reasoning to advocate polygamy, using God's Word is unsound to my spirit.

Jesus never had a wife while he was on the earth as a man.

This is what I quoted from God's Word:  Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

Blessings MD

Memphis Dwight

Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:30:32
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:25:42
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

Don't you think that is a little bit harsh?  Don't you have just a tiny bit of compassion for these people?  They would love and embrace you I'm sure.  I know people that practice polygyny and they are some of the most qualified Christ siblings I have.  Who am I to judge.  

All I can pray is Jesus let me be humble and lowly for you each day.   AMEN

My compassion is for their souls and the lives of the vulnerable, morally corrupted children.

If you know people like this, then they need Jesus....really, and are not brethren to you. Who are you to judge? If you are saved, you are qualified to reach out to them and show them the truth of Jesus Christ and His word. We are to judge what sin is. If you cannot do that, your qualifier is out of whack.

Well I know you mean well but I cannot counsel them to do something that Jesus has said not to do.  He said that a man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  Paul said that the man also owes his wife due benevolence ( 1 Cor 7:3) which means he is obligated to be "intimate" with her.  
Paul also said "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8.   I can't tell a christian man to kick out 2/3 of his household.  
I think you should open your heart to these folks and see that their way of life is not wrong.  They are some of the most gentle and meek people.  

chosenone

LS
memphis is looking for a women to live with him and his wife,and has been for a long time. However he doesnt seem at peace about it because he is always posting about this subject, and trying to 'prove ' that his theory is right.

chosenone

Quote from: fish153 on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:15:37
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 12:23:47
Thanks for the follow up question, Joyfullee.  By the way, I like your name.   Very nice. 

I'm not sure why you are bringing up the qualifications of the bishop. 

Can a bishop be single?  No
Can a bishop have more than one wife?  No

If this qualification extends to every christian man, then every christian man can neither be single nor can he have more than one wife. 

Jesus said that man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  This man that has three wives does not want to go against what Jesus has spoken.  None of his wives have committed fornication thus he would be sinning should he divorce any of his wives.

That kind of logic belongs on April fool's day, because only a fool would believe it.   ::smile::

yes a very twisted logic, especally as only one is actually his wife anyway, and the others are his live in lovers with their illigitimate children, poor little things.

Memphis Dwight

Quote from: Joyfullee on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:37:13
Mat 19:8 He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Thank you for quoting Matt 19.  I don't see where that says that polygyny was not so from the beginning.   It seems to be saying divorce , or putting away your wives, was not so from the beginning.   And the next verse says except for fornication.  The man with three wives can't divorce his wives except for fornication or he causes them to be adulteresses.  Matt 5:32.

QuoteThe line of your reasoning to advocate polygamy, using God's Word is unsound to my spirit.
It may seem unsound to your spirit, or to my spirit, but what matters is the Holy Spirit.  And the Holy Spirit has led these people to have larger than average families. Who am I to condemn them?


QuoteThis is what I quoted from God's Word:  Rev 21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.
And that is a metaphor just like Ezekiel 23:4. and Jeremiah 31:32 where God is shown to be polygynous.   I don't see how one metaphor cancels out another.  

chosenone

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:37:27
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:30:32
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:25:42
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

Don't you think that is a little bit harsh?  Don't you have just a tiny bit of compassion for these people?  They would love and embrace you I'm sure.  I know people that practice polygyny and they are some of the most qualified Christ siblings I have.  Who am I to judge.   

All I can pray is Jesus let me be humble and lowly for you each day.   AMEN

My compassion is for their souls and the lives of the vulnerable, morally corrupted children.

If you know people like this, then they need Jesus....really, and are not brethren to you. Who are you to judge? If you are saved, you are qualified to reach out to them and show them the truth of Jesus Christ and His word. We are to judge what sin is. If you cannot do that, your qualifier is out of whack.

Well I know you mean well but I cannot counsel them to do something that Jesus has said not to do.  He said that a man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  Paul said that the man also owes his wife due benevolence ( 1 Cor 7:3) which means he is obligated to be "intimate" with her. 
Paul also said "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8.   I can't tell a christian man to kick out 2/3 of his household. 
I think you should open your heart to these folks and see that their way of life is not wrong.  They are some of the most gentle and meek people.   

How can you divorce anyone who you arent even married to?

Memphis Dwight

Quote from: chosenone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:40:18
LS
memphis is looking for a women to live with him and his wife,and has been for a long time. However he doesnt seem at peace about it because he is always posting about this subject, and trying to 'prove ' that his theory is right.

We're no longer looking.  We are now only interested in advocating for polygynists rights to be heard.   I don't have the strength to have more than one wife. 

Lively Stone

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:37:27
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:30:32
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:25:42
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

Don't you think that is a little bit harsh?  Don't you have just a tiny bit of compassion for these people?  They would love and embrace you I'm sure.  I know people that practice polygyny and they are some of the most qualified Christ siblings I have.  Who am I to judge.  

All I can pray is Jesus let me be humble and lowly for you each day.   AMEN

My compassion is for their souls and the lives of the vulnerable, morally corrupted children.

If you know people like this, then they need Jesus....really, and are not brethren to you. Who are you to judge? If you are saved, you are qualified to reach out to them and show them the truth of Jesus Christ and His word. We are to judge what sin is. If you cannot do that, your qualifier is out of whack.

Well I know you mean well but I cannot counsel them to do something that Jesus has said not to do.  He said that a man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  Paul said that the man also owes his wife due benevolence ( 1 Cor 7:3) which means he is obligated to be "intimate" with her.  
Paul also said "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8.   I can't tell a christian man to kick out 2/3 of his household.  
I think you should open your heart to these folks and see that their way of life is not wrong.  They are some of the most gentle and meek people.  

Not counseling people who may be sensitive to morality in light of God's word is wrong. It seems cowardly.

Illegal marriages are easily voided. You need to man up with the justice of the word of God. Using the scripture you choose is presenting an excuse for sin.

Gentle and meek people will still go to hell. Where is YOUR compassion? You are loving them to hell. It will be charged to your account for failing to present God's truth. However, it seems you have been influenced by the sin of it and are now compromised. Therefore what strong believers must do now is your work for you.

Satan's main goal is to make Christians compromise just to the point that they are ineffective. Congratulations, Dwight.


Joyfullee

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:37:27
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:30:32
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:25:42
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

Don't you think that is a little bit harsh?  Don't you have just a tiny bit of compassion for these people?  They would love and embrace you I'm sure.  I know people that practice polygyny and they are some of the most qualified Christ siblings I have.  Who am I to judge.  

All I can pray is Jesus let me be humble and lowly for you each day.   AMEN

My compassion is for their souls and the lives of the vulnerable, morally corrupted children.

If you know people like this, then they need Jesus....really, and are not brethren to you. Who are you to judge? If you are saved, you are qualified to reach out to them and show them the truth of Jesus Christ and His word. We are to judge what sin is. If you cannot do that, your qualifier is out of whack.

Well I know you mean well but I cannot counsel them to do something that Jesus has said not to do.  He said that a man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  Paul said that the man also owes his wife due benevolence ( 1 Cor 7:3) which means he is obligated to be "intimate" with her.  
Paul also said "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8.   I can't tell a christian man to kick out 2/3 of his household.  
I think you should open your heart to these folks and see that their way of life is not wrong.  They are some of the most gentle and meek people.  

Can you show me where in God's Word where He tells men to have more than one wife?

I have shown you where He speaks about having "one wife."

If one wife is God's plan, then a man who has more than one wife is committing adultery, because after the first marriage, (where the two become one flesh) the other "marriages" would not truly be valid.  Therefore the husband is committing adultery, as are all the other wives.


chosenone

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:46:32
Quote from: chosenone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:40:18
LS
memphis is looking for a women to live with him and his wife,and has been for a long time. However he doesn't seem at peace about it because he is always posting about this subject, and trying to 'prove ' that his theory is right.

We're no longer looking.  We are now only interested in advocating for polygynists rights to be heard.   I don't have the strength to have more than one wife.  

Memphis good news for your wife, and you for doing the right thing. The Bible says that if you are faithful you will be blessed with the rewards of fidelity if you confine yourself to your wife, and I am sure you want to be blessed.  
I agree we need to reach out to all those who are misled or who are in deception, but until they repent and live the right way  they are living in sin. In these cases the women who arent his wife can move out, and he can stop having sex with them, and he can provide for his children.He has no need to divorce them, because he isnt married to them.

OldDad

Why couldn't they go to Utah and join the rest of the polygamists?

Memphis Dwight

So far, I've talked qualifications of the bishop and how logically that should not apply to every man.  

I've addressed probably 6 to 8 other passages as well.  

But LS, you and Chosenone are not saying anything about what I've said regarding those passages.  

To me, it seems as if you are coming back to what your own sensibilities dictate.  

Our sensibilities can not be our guide.   My grandma thought it were a sin for a black man and a white woman to be married and she even quoted scripture like the unequally yoked verse.  Does that make interracial marriage a sin?  

On the flip side, some christians are starting to become less repulsed by men lying with each other and calling it marriage.   Does that softening of our sensibilities make it any less of an abomination?

The point is, we can't just go on what we feel is right and wrong but rather what the bible says.  

Lively Stone

Dwight:

Ezekiel 3:20
"If righteous people turn away from their righteous behavior and ignore the obstacles I put in their way, they will die. And if you do not warn them, they will die in their sins. None of their righteous acts will be remembered, and I will hold you responsible for their deaths.


Leviticus 19:14
"Do not insult the deaf or cause the blind to stumble. You must fear your God; I am the Lord.



Consider yourself warned. My hands are clean.



.

Apothecary 4 Christ

Although I don't agree with Dwight's postion on polygamy, it does bring up an interesting discussion with respect to how Christianity responds to polygamy in a culture where this is regularly practiced.

In fact, I was just speaking with someone last week who spent 6 months in Uganda with a missionary group.

She asked, before a Ugandan worship service, why the men don't sit with their wives.

The answer:  Which one would they sit with?

The fact is that when Christianity enters a country it can (and should I believe) teach monogamy as the Biblical pattern.  HOWEVER, it simply cannot exclude men and women already involved in polygamy from church membership if they have truly come to know Christ.  They can't "stop" being polygamists the way a thief can stop stealing, etc.


Jason

Memphis Dwight

Quote from: OldDad on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:54:55
Why couldn't they go to Utah and join the rest of the polygamists?

If you lived in Utah and they wanted to come to your church, would you accept them into your fellowship or ban them because they practice the biblical lifestyle?  I know what I would do: I would accept them and call them my brothers and sisters.   But that is just me.  I tried to be led by the Holy Spirit every day.   And Jesus said blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

Lively Stone

Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 14:00:16
Quote from: OldDad on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:54:55
Why couldn't they go to Utah and join the rest of the polygamists?

If you lived in Utah and they wanted to come to your church, would you accept them into your fellowship or ban them because they practice the biblical lifestyle?  I know what I would do: I would accept them and call them my brothers and sisters.   But that is just me.  I tried to be led by the Holy Spirit every day.   And Jesus said blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God.

They would be welcome, but if they do not repent of their sin and fully intend to continue in their ways, they will be shown the door. The Church of Jesus Christ cannot be allowed to be polluted and diluted by sin.

Memphis Dwight

Quote from: Joyfullee on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:51:22
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:37:27
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:30:32
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:25:42
Quote from: Lively Stone on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 13:10:03
Quote from: Memphis Dwight on Fri Apr 01, 2011 - 11:27:46
This is a quite serious event and one that needs to be told.  There are multitudes of people yearning for an encounter with Jesus.  We must not turn them away.

People like that would never turn up at a Bible believing church. They don't believe the Bible. They can and will be reached by its members who take God's word to heart and go out and preach the Gospel, using their lives to do so. That is how you increase church membership---show them Christ, and as they come to Him, they will come into fellowship with us.

As for the less than subtle argument for polygamy---it is immoral and illegal. Christians do not embrace it. Period.

Don't you think that is a little bit harsh?  Don't you have just a tiny bit of compassion for these people?  They would love and embrace you I'm sure.  I know people that practice polygyny and they are some of the most qualified Christ siblings I have.  Who am I to judge.  

All I can pray is Jesus let me be humble and lowly for you each day.   AMEN

My compassion is for their souls and the lives of the vulnerable, morally corrupted children.

If you know people like this, then they need Jesus....really, and are not brethren to you. Who are you to judge? If you are saved, you are qualified to reach out to them and show them the truth of Jesus Christ and His word. We are to judge what sin is. If you cannot do that, your qualifier is out of whack.

Well I know you mean well but I cannot counsel them to do something that Jesus has said not to do.  He said that a man cannot divorce his wife except for fornication.  Paul said that the man also owes his wife due benevolence ( 1 Cor 7:3) which means he is obligated to be "intimate" with her.  
Paul also said "But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel." 1 Timothy 5:8.   I can't tell a christian man to kick out 2/3 of his household.  
I think you should open your heart to these folks and see that their way of life is not wrong.  They are some of the most gentle and meek people.  

Can you show me where in God's Word where He tells men to have more than one wife?

I have shown you where He speaks about having "one wife."

If one wife is God's plan, then a man who has more than one wife is committing adultery, because after the first marriage, (where the two become one flesh) the other "marriages" would not truly be valid.  Therefore the husband is committing adultery, as are all the other wives.



Joyfullee, have you read about the Levirate marriage?  It is listed in Deuteronomy 25. Basically what it means is that if a man has a brother that dies and that dead brother did not have any children, then the living brother is to go in and impregnate his dead brother's widow.   And not only is there not an out for a man that is already married, but it is assumed that the living brother is already married because if he should refuse to impregnate her, then she can call him in front of the elders and spit on him.   And his whole family (he's married already) will have a bad reputation:  And his name shall be called in Israel, The house (family) of him that hath his shoe loosed.. Deut 25:10

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