Understanding who Jesus was, the Creator and Lord of the Sabbath.

[Hobie]

Jesus Christ is "Lord even of the Sabbath day" but the fullness of that statement needs to be understood by understanding who Jesus was.

"For the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath day." Matthew 12:8. By identifying Himself as "Lord even of the Sabbath day," Jesus was, in reality, revealing that He Himself was the One who originally made Earth in six days, and rested on the seventh day. The New Testament is very clear that Jesus Christ is not just our Savior, but is also our Creator. Notice carefully:

All things were made by Him, and without Him was not anything made that has been made. John 1:3

He [Jesus] was in the world, and the world was made by Him, and the world knew Him not. John 1:10

God, who created all things by Jesus Christ. Eph. 3:9 KJV

For by Him [Jesus] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. Col. 1:16

Thus Jesus Christ is our Creator. The One who created, rested. Thus the Sabbath commandment, when correctly understood in the light of both the Old and New Testaments, points to Jesus Christ

Now some may say but God the great Jehovah created the earth in the beginning, but here is were the mystery of the Trinity has to be understood in order to understand who Jesus was.

Jesus is the Jehovah of ALL the Bible. He is the LORD Jehovah that walked in the cool of the day in Eden. Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was Jehovah God who gave the Ten Commandments. Jesus was Jehovah God who was in the pillar of fire by night and cloud by day. Jesus was Jehovah God who appeared to Moses in the fiery bush and declared I am that I am.

What Jesus claims about Himself - John 8:48-59
48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

With solemn dignity Jesus answered, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I AM. Silence fell upon the vast assembly. The name of God, given to Moses to express the idea of the eternal presence, had been claimed as His own by Jesus.

Lets look at this story of Moses and the Burning Bush in Ex 3:14-15..

14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15 And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations. Ex 3:14-15.

Now scripture shows us even more clearly who Christ is, if we just let the Holy Spirit guide us into truth.

THE FIRST AND THE LAST
Revelation 1:11 Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.

Revelation 1:17 And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:

Revelation 2:8 And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

Isaiah 41:4
Who hath wrought and done it, calling the generations from the beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.

Isaiah 44:6
Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Isaiah 48:12
Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.

Now lets look at who is the Savior:

Isaiah 43:11
I, even I, am the LORD ; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 45:21
Tell ye, and bring them near; yea, let them take counsel together: who hath declared this from ancient time? who hath told it from that time? have not I the LORD? and there is no God else beside me; a just God and a Saviour; there is none beside me.

Hosea 13:4
Yet I am the LORD thy God from the land of Egypt, and thou shalt know no god but me: for there is no saviour beside me.

1Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the commandment of God our Saviour, and Lord Jesus Christ, which is our hope;

2Peter 3:18
But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

Philippians 3:20
For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ:

Jesus is truly the Creator, Jehovah, the First and the Last, our Saviour and Lord of the Sabbath. It is His day of worship from Creation, the day of rest, made for man not man for the Sabbath..

Genesis 2:1-2
1 Thus the heavens and the earth were completed in all their vast array.
2 By the seventh day God had finished the work he had been doing; so on the seventh day he rested from all his work. 3 Then God blessed the seventh day and made it holy, because on it he rested from all the work of creating that he had done.

The Sabbath was not just for the Jews, but for all mankind which the Creator gave us. Our Lord and Saviour shows us.

[Hobie]

So by understanding who Jesus was, the words in the Bible come alive with meaning.

Genesis 26:5
Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

Exodus 20:6
And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

Matthew 5:19
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Luke 23:56
And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment


John 14:15
If ye love me, keep my commandments.

It is Christ the great I AM, the law giver, the Creator the Lord of the Sabbath who gave man the Sabbath from the begining, and it has not changed.

We also see that the Creator Himself kept the Sabbath day and as He gave it to mankind, Adam and Eve kept the Sabbath

[Hobie]

Here is some things you may ponder that came from a friend on this issue.
Words define thought and thoughts express will. Let's take a look at the words 'sanctify' and 'blessed', which God used to define the seventh day. In doing this, we will begin to understand God's intention and purpose for the seventh day.

Sanctify

1. To be set apart, be consecrated.
2. To be honored, be treated as sacred.
3. To observe as holy.
4. To keep sacred.
5. To regard or treat as sacred or hallow.


Blessed
1. To make or pronounce holy; to consecrate.
2. To make happy, joyous; to confer happiness upon; to grant divine
favor to.



Do you believe words have power and meaning especially in the Bible?

Do you believe that when God says He sanctifies, blesses and calls something holy it has a meaning to God?

Mankind should have been honoring the Sabbath since the begining.

Mankind should not have killed since the begining.

Mankind should not lie from the begining.

Mankind should not worship false Gods from the begining.

But we know death came into the world because one man sinned and death has spread to all man because all man have sinned.

When we come to Christ and are born again these words will once again have their life changing power and meaning revealed to us.

[Hobie]

So where can we see Gods commandments, well take a look.
Abraham kept the Sabbath,,,

Genesis 26:5
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

and also Isaac and Jacob kept the Sabbath..


1 Chronicles 16:15-17
(15) Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
(16) Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
(17) And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant.

Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath:

Luke 4:16
(16) And he came to Nazareth, where he [Jesus Christ] had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Note: There are three recorded instances where we read that Jesus observed the Sabbath. First, as creator of this world (John 1:3) Jesus observed it in the beginning (Genesis 2:1-3), he observed it during his lifetime (Luke 4:16) and even observed it while in the grave (Luke 23:53-56, 24:1-3) showing that from the beginning of time until the day following his death no change has taken place in the Sabbath. It was neither changed, nor abolished. Jesus was a faithful Sabbath keeper before any ceremonial law ever existed, and even after the ceremonial law has been done away with. True followers of Christ are to "walk even as he walked" - 1 John 2:6.

[revmitchell]

So where can we see Gods commandments, well take a look.
Abraham kept the Sabbath,,,

Genesis 26:5
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

and also Isaac and Jacob kept the Sabbath..


1 Chronicles 16:15-17
(15) Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
(16) Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
(17) And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant.

Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath:

Luke 4:16
(16) And he came to Nazareth, where he [Jesus Christ] had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Note: There are three recorded instances where we read that Jesus observed the Sabbath. First, as creator of this world (John 1:3) Jesus observed it in the beginning (Genesis 2:1-3), he observed it during his lifetime (Luke 4:16) and even observed it while in the grave (Luke 23:53-56, 24:1-3) showing that from the beginning of time until the day following his death no change has taken place in the Sabbath. It was neither changed, nor abolished. Jesus was a faithful Sabbath keeper before any ceremonial law ever existed, and even after the ceremonial law has been done away with. True followers of Christ are to "walk even as he walked" - 1 John 2:6.

Show me where Abraham was commanded to keep the sabbath.

Jesus was not a very good Sabbath keeper

    "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, 'My Father works hitherto, and I work.'

[Hobie]

So where can we see Gods commandments, well take a look.
Abraham kept the Sabbath,,,

Genesis 26:5
(5) Because that Abraham obeyed my voice, and kept my charge, my commandments, my statutes, and my laws.

and also Isaac and Jacob kept the Sabbath..


1 Chronicles 16:15-17
(15) Be ye mindful always of his covenant; the word which he commanded to a thousand generations;
(16) Even of the covenant which he made with Abraham, and of his oath unto Isaac;
(17) And hath confirmed the same to Jacob for a law, and to Israel for an everlasting covenant.

Jesus Christ kept the Sabbath:

Luke 4:16
(16) And he came to Nazareth, where he [Jesus Christ] had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
Note: There are three recorded instances where we read that Jesus observed the Sabbath. First, as creator of this world (John 1:3) Jesus observed it in the beginning (Genesis 2:1-3), he observed it during his lifetime (Luke 4:16) and even observed it while in the grave (Luke 23:53-56, 24:1-3) showing that from the beginning of time until the day following his death no change has taken place in the Sabbath. It was neither changed, nor abolished. Jesus was a faithful Sabbath keeper before any ceremonial law ever existed, and even after the ceremonial law has been done away with. True followers of Christ are to "walk even as he walked" - 1 John 2:6.

Show me where Abraham was commanded to keep the sabbath.

Jesus was not a very good Sabbath keeper

    "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus, and sought to slay him, because he had done these things on the sabbath day. But Jesus answered them, 'My Father works hitherto, and I work.'

Well whose Law was he keeping....

[jojo50]

you said..."Jesus is the Jehovah of ALL the Bible. He is the LORD Jehovah that walked in the cool of the day in Eden. Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was Jehovah God who gave the Ten Commandments. Jesus was Jehovah God who was in the pillar of fire by night and cloud by day. Jesus was Jehovah God who appeared to Moses in the fiery bush and declared I am that I am"

you're so wrong,and your teaching of this, is the same of those men who claim to be ministers of Jehovah. they're NOT,they're ministers of satan himself,(2Cor.11:13-15, For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works).

sad thing is...many follows their ministers teaching of this,instead of Jesus teaching. yet many say they love and follow him. Jesus is NOT... the God of Israel, Abraham, Moses,  and Isaac. too many scriptures proves this....check them out!

(A).these two scriptures shows there are two high beings in Heaven...
JEHOVAH GOD...
(1).Psa.90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.(2).Psa.83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

JESUS...Colo.1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature, (despite what people want to believe, Jesus was created).(B).
Jesus is talking here...
(1).John 3:16,17- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

(2).John 5:30 -I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(3).John 6:44,45- No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: ...

(4).John 14:6 -Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

( C).BOTH, this shows there is a Father and Son in Heaven...
(1).John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(2).Exo.33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. (God's talking to Moses, man HAS seen Jesus face).

(3).here Jehovah speaks to his son in Heaven,(Psa.2:7,8- I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession).

(4). Here Jesus is referring to his Father,(Pro.8:22-30-The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there, when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him).

No matter how many teach the lie of Jesus being the Almighty Father Jehovah. Only those who believe Jesus words and the words of his Father. And is willing to worship the Father as JESUS did, are truly Jesus spiritual Family. (Matt.12:50-For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother).

Any who will continue believing that lie, and refuse to believe what Jesus said concerning this. God will help you to continue being it,which will cause you destruction, (2Thess.2:10-12, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness). peace

[Amo]

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Christ created all things.  This includes thrones, dominions, principalities, and powers.  There is no doubt but that the ten commandments is included in the above.  Without question though, one of the commandments was created by Christ, and that would be the fourth commandment at creation.  For when He had finished creation, He blessed and sanctified the seventh day (Gen. 2:2&3).

1 Cor 10:1 Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea; 2 And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 And did all eat the same spiritual meat; 4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ. 5 But with many of them God was not well pleased: for they were overthrown in the wilderness. 6 Now these things were our examples, to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted. 7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play. 8 Neither let us commit fornication, as some of them committed, and fell in one day three and twenty thousand. 9 Neither let us tempt Christ, as some of them also tempted, and were destroyed of serpents.

It was Christ who lead the children of Israel through the wilderness, where they received the law from the same.  It was Christ that they tempted during the same, and were destroyed of the serpents.  It has always been Christ who has dealt with humanity since the fall.  He is the person of the Godhead through whom humanity and God are reconciled.  There is no other name in heaven or earth whereby we must be saved.

I do not mean to exclude the Father, or the Spirit, by saying all the above was Christ, for where the Father, or Son, or Spirit is, there also are the other two, for they are all one.  Only once have they ever been separated by the death of the Son for our salvation.  They cannot be separated by time or space or anything else.  Where one is, there the others are also, for God is omnipresent, and they are God.  It is therefore impossible that only one of them gave the law to Israel, for they are one.

When God appeared to Moses in the burning bush, He was first referred to as the angel of the Lord, and then plainly referred to as the Lord.

Exod 3:2-4 "2 And the angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush: and he looked, and, behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3 And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt.
4 And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, Here am I."

When Moses asked God in the burning bush who he should say had sent him to deliver Israel, Moses was to say that I Am hath sent you.  When Christ was here on earth, he applied this same title, I AM, to himself.

Exodus 3  13 And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? 14 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

John 8  56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Jesus Christ himself was telling the Jews that He was the angel in the burning bush speaking to Moses, and therefore was God.  This the Jews understood, which is why they picked up rocks to stone him.  It was the angel of the Lord within the burning bush who applied the title of I AM to himself, Christ applied the same title to himself. 

This Angel of the Lord that appeared to many during the old covenant was Christ, which is why the Angel is not just called an Angel, but plainly the Lord.
In any case, it is nonsense to argue that Christ did not give the law to Israel, as though any person of the Godhead could, or would do anything that all did not agree on, and would also do themselves.  Moreover, they did do it themselves for they are God.  What the Father, Son, or Spirit does, all have done for they are one.

[Hobie]

you said..."Jesus is the Jehovah of ALL the Bible. He is the LORD Jehovah that walked in the cool of the day in Eden. Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was Jehovah God who gave the Ten Commandments. Jesus was Jehovah God who was in the pillar of fire by night and cloud by day. Jesus was Jehovah God who appeared to Moses in the fiery bush and declared I am that I am"

you're so wrong,and your teaching of this, is the same of those men who claim to be ministers of Jehovah. they're NOT,they're ministers of satan himself,(2Cor.11:13-15, For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works).

sad thing is...many follows their ministers teaching of this,instead of Jesus teaching. yet many say they love and follow him. Jesus is NOT... the God of Israel, Abraham, Moses,  and Isaac. too many scriptures proves this....check them out!

(A).these two scriptures shows there are two high beings in Heaven...
JEHOVAH GOD...
(1).Psa.90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.(2).Psa.83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

JESUS...Colo.1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature, (despite what people want to believe, Jesus was created).(B).
Jesus is talking here...
(1).John 3:16,17- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

(2).John 5:30 -I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(3).John 6:44,45- No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: ...

(4).John 14:6 -Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

( C).BOTH, this shows there is a Father and Son in Heaven...
(1).John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(2).Exo.33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. (God's talking to Moses, man HAS seen Jesus face).

(3).here Jehovah speaks to his son in Heaven,(Psa.2:7,8- I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession).

(4). Here Jesus is referring to his Father,(Pro.8:22-30-The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there, when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him).

No matter how many teach the lie of Jesus being the Almighty Father Jehovah. Only those who believe Jesus words and the words of his Father. And is willing to worship the Father as JESUS did, are truly Jesus spiritual Family. (Matt.12:50-For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother).

Any who will continue believing that lie, and refuse to believe what Jesus said concerning this. God will help you to continue being it,which will cause you destruction, (2Thess.2:10-12, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness). peace

Jesus is not a created being, and lesser god. He is divinity, part of the Godhead and scripture is clear He is equal with the Father.

Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

[BornToReign]

Quote Hobie:

Jesus is not a created being, and lesser god. He is divinity, part of the Godhead and scripture is clear He is equal with the Father.

" Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

[thethinker]

Amo wrote:

This Angel of the Lord that appeared to many during the old covenant was Christ, which is why the Angel is not just called an Angel, but plainly the Lord.

Amen! The Angel explicitly said of Himself, "I am the God of thy fathers. The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob."

thinker

[WorshippingJesus]

Hi all

Those that say Jesus is not "God" have in essence denied the "source" of everything they recieve from God and in fact I believe have created a "false image" of who Jesus really is.

Jesus is the "[visible] image of the invisible God" (Col 1:17) or "the exact representation of his [Gods] being", which means if the image they have of him is less than God then they serve a false Jesus.

One of the fallacious arguments they make about Jesus is "Jesus can't be God because he is not the source but the agent of God".

However the scriptures clearly debunk this fallacious argument.

It is very telling of how they view Jesus. To them Jesus is like every other agent of God in the sense that God "uses

[thethinker]

Hi all

Those that say Jesus is not "God" have in essence denied the "source" of everything they recieve from God and in fact I believe have created a "false image" of who Jesus really is.

Jesus is the "[visible] image of the invisible God" (Col 1:17) or "the exact representation of his [Gods] being", which means if the image they have of him is less than God then they serve a false Jesus.

One of the fallacious arguments they make about Jesus is "Jesus can't be God because he is not the source but the agent of God".

However the scriptures clearly debunk this fallacious argument.

It is very telling of how they view Jesus. To them Jesus is like every other agent of God in the sense that God "uses

[Consumingfire]

you said..."Jesus is the Jehovah of ALL the Bible. He is the LORD Jehovah that walked in the cool of the day in Eden. Jesus was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Jesus was Jehovah God who gave the Ten Commandments. Jesus was Jehovah God who was in the pillar of fire by night and cloud by day. Jesus was Jehovah God who appeared to Moses in the fiery bush and declared I am that I am"

you're so wrong,and your teaching of this, is the same of those men who claim to be ministers of Jehovah. they're NOT,they're ministers of satan himself,(2Cor.11:13-15, For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works).

sad thing is...many follows their ministers teaching of this,instead of Jesus teaching. yet many say they love and follow him. Jesus is NOT... the God of Israel, Abraham, Moses,  and Isaac. too many scriptures proves this....check them out!

(A).these two scriptures shows there are two high beings in Heaven...
JEHOVAH GOD...
(1).Psa.90:2 Before the mountains were brought forth, or ever thou hadst formed the earth and the world, even from everlasting to everlasting, thou art God.(2).Psa.83:18 That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth.

JESUS...Colo.1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature, (despite what people want to believe, Jesus was created).(B).
Jesus is talking here...
(1).John 3:16,17- For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

(2).John 5:30 -I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
(3).John 6:44,45- No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: ...

(4).John 14:6 -Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me

( C).BOTH, this shows there is a Father and Son in Heaven...
(1).John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

(2).Exo.33:20 And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live. (God's talking to Moses, man HAS seen Jesus face).

(3).here Jehovah speaks to his son in Heaven,(Psa.2:7,8- I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee. Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession).

(4). Here Jesus is referring to his Father,(Pro.8:22-30-The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: While as yet he had not made the earth, nor the fields, nor the highest part of the dust of the world. When he prepared the heavens, I was there, when he appointed the foundations of the earth: Then I was by him, as one brought up with him: and I was daily his delight, rejoicing always before him).

No matter how many teach the lie of Jesus being the Almighty Father Jehovah. Only those who believe Jesus words and the words of his Father. And is willing to worship the Father as JESUS did, are truly Jesus spiritual Family. (Matt.12:50-For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother).

Any who will continue believing that lie, and refuse to believe what Jesus said concerning this. God will help you to continue being it,which will cause you destruction, (2Thess.2:10-12, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness). peace

What is Jehovah?

[larry2]

What is Jehovah?

It is not "What is Jehovah?", but Who, and Jehovah is a proper name of God.

From Strong's Concordance.

Jehovah

03068 hwhy Y@hovah yeh-ho-vaw'

from 01961; TWOT-484a; n pr dei

AV-LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519

Jehovah="the existing One"

1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136

Jehovah

The special and significant name (not merely an appellative title such as Lord [adonai]) by which God revealed himself to the ancient Hebrews #Ex 6:2,3 This name, the Tetragrammaton of the Greeks, was held by the later Jews to be so sacred that it was never pronounced except by the high priest on the great Day of Atonement, when he entered into the most holy place. Whenever this name occurred in the sacred books they pronounced it, as they still do, "Adonai" (i.e., Lord), thus using another word in its stead. The Massorets gave to it the vowel-points appropriate to this word. This Jewish practice was founded on a false interpretation of #Le 24:16 The meaning of the word appears from #Ex 3:14 to be "the unchanging, eternal, self-existent God, "the "I am that I am, "a convenant-keeping God. (Comp.) #Mal 3:6 Ho 12:5 Re 1:4,8 The Hebrew name "Jehovah" is generally translated in the Authorized Version (and the Revised Version has not departed from this rule) by the word LORD printed in small capitals, to distinguish it from the rendering of the Hebrew _Adonai_ and the Greek _Kurios_, which are also rendered Lord, but printed in the usual type. The Hebrew word is translated "Jehovah" only in #Ex 6:3 Ps 83:18 Isa 12:2 26:4 and in the compound names mentioned below. It is worthy of notice that this name is never used in the LXX., the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Apocrypha, or in the New Testament. It is found, however, on the "Moabite stone" (q.v.), and consequently it must have been in the days of Mesba so commonly pronounced by the Hebrews as to be familiar to their heathen neighbours.

[Hobie]

Quote Hobie:

Jesus is not a created being, and lesser god. He is divinity, part of the Godhead and scripture is clear He is equal with the Father.

" Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

[larry2]

Jesus is Jevovah

Matthew 3:3.   "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah (Jesus), you people."

   Isaiah 40:3.  "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

   Isaiah 43:10-11.   ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.  11   "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." This being said, how do you get "the Word was a god" in John 1:1 if there were no other gods?

   Acts 4:12.  Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

[Hobie]

Jesus is Jevovah

Matthew 3:3.   "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah (Jesus), you people."

   Isaiah 40:3.  "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

   Isaiah 43:10-11.   ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.  11   "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." This being said, how do you get "the Word was a god" in John 1:1 if there were no other gods?

   Acts 4:12.  Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Amen...

John 14:9
Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

[Consumingfire]

Jesus is Jevovah

Matthew 3:3.   "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah (Jesus), you people."

   Isaiah 40:3.  "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

   Isaiah 43:10-11.   ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.  11   "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." This being said, how do you get "the Word was a god" in John 1:1 if there were no other gods?

   Acts 4:12.  Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Not arguing with the main point of your post, but God is definitely not Jehovah.  That is a false translation.

[larry2]

Jesus is Jevovah

Matthew 3:3.   "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah (Jesus), you people."

   Isaiah 40:3.  "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

   Isaiah 43:10-11.   ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.  11   "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." This being said, how do you get "the Word was a god" in John 1:1 if there were no other gods?

   Acts 4:12.  Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Not arguing with the main point of your post, but Jesus is definitely not Jehovah. That is a false translation.

Well, maybe you can once and for all tell us which is the perfect translation of the bible, and quotes from it if you have them.

[Consumingfire]

What is Jehovah?

It is not "What is Jehovah?", but Who, and Jehovah is a proper name of God.

From Strong's Concordance.

Jehovah

03068 hwhy Y@hovah yeh-ho-vaw'

from 01961; TWOT-484a; n pr dei

AV-LORD 6510, GOD 4, JEHOVAH 4, variant 1; 6519

Jehovah="the existing One"

1) the proper name of the one true God
1a) unpronounced except with the vowel pointings of 0136

Jehovah

The special and significant name (not merely an appellative title such as Lord [adonai]) by which God revealed himself to the ancient Hebrews #Ex 6:2,3 This name, the Tetragrammaton of the Greeks, was held by the later Jews to be so sacred that it was never pronounced except by the high priest on the great Day of Atonement, when he entered into the most holy place. Whenever this name occurred in the sacred books they pronounced it, as they still do, "Adonai" (i.e., Lord), thus using another word in its stead. The Massorets gave to it the vowel-points appropriate to this word. This Jewish practice was founded on a false interpretation of #Le 24:16 The meaning of the word appears from #Ex 3:14 to be "the unchanging, eternal, self-existent God, "the "I am that I am, "a convenant-keeping God. (Comp.) #Mal 3:6 Ho 12:5 Re 1:4,8 The Hebrew name "Jehovah" is generally translated in the Authorized Version (and the Revised Version has not departed from this rule) by the word LORD printed in small capitals, to distinguish it from the rendering of the Hebrew _Adonai_ and the Greek _Kurios_, which are also rendered Lord, but printed in the usual type. The Hebrew word is translated "Jehovah" only in #Ex 6:3 Ps 83:18 Isa 12:2 26:4 and in the compound names mentioned below. It is worthy of notice that this name is never used in the LXX., the Samaritan Pentateuch, the Apocrypha, or in the New Testament. It is found, however, on the "Moabite stone" (q.v.), and consequently it must have been in the days of Mesba so commonly pronounced by the Hebrews as to be familiar to their heathen neighbours.

Jehovah is undoubtably a mistranslation.  The Shem Hameforash, or Tetragrammatron is Yud-Hay-Vav-Hay.  

[Consumingfire]

Jesus is Jevovah

Matthew 3:3.   "This, in fact, is the one spoken of through Isaiah the prophet in these words: "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness, prepare ye the way of Jehovah (Jesus), you people."

   Isaiah 40:3.  "Listen! Someone is crying out in the wilderness: clear up the way of Jehovah, you people."

   Isaiah 43:10-11.   ". . . . Before me there was no God formed, and after me there continued to be none.  11   "I am Jehovah, and besides me there is no savior." This being said, how do you get "the Word was a god" in John 1:1 if there were no other gods?

   Acts 4:12.  Talking about Jesus in verses 10 & 11, verse 12 states, "Furthermore, there is no salvation in anyone else, for there is not another name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must get saved."

Not arguing with the main point of your post, but Jesus is definitely not Jehovah. That is a false translation.

Well, maybe you can once and for all tell us which is the perfect translation of the bible, and quotes from it if you have them.

That is my point.  We do not have that, so why don't we just use the Hebrew?

[Lively Stone]

Jehovah or Yahweh is good enough for me!

[larry2]

Well, maybe you can once and for all tell us which is the perfect translation of the bible, and quotes from it if you have them.

That is my point.  We do not have that, so why don't we just use the Hebrew?

I do not read or speak Hebrew, so I trust others with knowledge to have translated it for me, but here is some of it.

Isaiah

yiT.r'x'B r,v]a yiD.b;[.w h'wh.y -mUa.n y;de[ ~,T;a ? yin]a -yiK .Wnyib't.w yil .Wnyim]a;t.w .W[.deT !;[;m.l ? h,y.hIy a{ly;r]x;a.w lea r;cw{n -a{l y;n'p.l a.Wh
.
;[yivw{m y;d'[.l;Bim !yea.w h'wh.y yik{n'a yik{n'a

yiT.r'x'B r,v]a yiD.b;[.w h'wh.y -mUa.n y;de[ ~,T;a ? yin]a -yiK .Wnyib't.w yil .Wnyim]a;t.w .W[.deT !;[;m.l ? h,y.hIy a{ly;r]x;a.w lea r;cw{n -a{l y;n'p.l a.Wh

;[yivw{m y;d'[.l;Bim !yea.w h'wh.y yik{n'a yik{n'a

Translation below is from the Hebrew Interlineal Bible. How would you like to change it?

Isaiah 43:10-11
   
10   Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen : that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed , neither shall there be after me.

11   I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour

May I also ask what Christian assembly, church, or synagogue you attend? Do you also use Aramaic for portions of the New Testament?

[Hobie]

You can see in the Messianic prophecies of Isaiah, that the Lord thy God, is none other than Jesus Christ Himself, in His pre-incarnate role. Look at Isaiah 48:17, 18 "Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. O that thou hadst hearkened to my Commandments! Then had thy peace been as a river and thy righteousness as the waves of the sea:

[Hobie]

Now as to whether Jesus or the Apostles change the day of worship from Saturday to Sunday the first day of the week? This is a great explanation from a book by Kenneth A. Strand, The Sabbath in Scripture and History.:

"...The word Sunday is not found in the Bible. In the New Testament the first day of the week is mentioned eight times. In none of the eight instances is the first day said to be a day of worship, never is it said to be the Christian substitute for the Old Testament Sabbath, and never do the texts suggest that the first day of the week should be regarded as a memorial of Christ's resurrection...."

Lets look at what the eight New Testament passages that mention the first day of the week.

"...Matthew 28:1, "After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And suddenly there was a great earthquake. . . ." Jesus was crucified on Friday. He rested in the tomb over the Sabbath and rose early on Sunday morning. The verse indicates that the women disciples returned to the tomb at the very first opportunity after the death and burial of Jesus. Because the Sabbath came so soon after His burial, they could not approach the tomb again until after sundown on Sabbath evening. (The Sabbath began at sundown on the sixth day and ended at sundown on the seventh day; compare Lev. 23:32; Neh. 13:19; Mark 1:21, 32) Early Sunday morning was the most convenient time for them to visit the tomb.

Mark 16:1, 2, "When the sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb."Mark records the same events as Matthew with the additional information that the women visited the tomb early on the Sunday morning for the express purpose of anointing Jesus' body with spices.

Mark 16:9, "Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."This verse simply records that, after His resurrection early on the Sunday morning, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene.

Luke 23:54 ­ 24:1, "It [the day of Jesus' death and burial] was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared." The Sabbath came a few hours after Jesus' death on the cross. The women disciples "rested the sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56, KJV). Then very early in the morning of the first day they visited the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus. The fact that they observed the Sabbath rest is sufficient indication that Jesus had never attempted to change the day or to suggest that after His death the first day would replace the Sabbath. Writing years after the event, Luke gave not the slightest hint that, even though the women disciples of Jesus observed the Sabbath, such a practice was no longer expected of Christians. He simply recorded that the Sabbath day "according to the commandment," which Jesus' followers were careful to observe, was the day after the crucifixion day (Friday), and before the resurrection day (Sunday).

John 20:1, "Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb."Mary Magdalene visited the tomb early the first day of the week. Nothing is said of Sunday as a day of worship or rest.

John 20:19, "When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, 'Peace be with you.'" On the evening of the first day of the week the disciples were assembled behind locked doors "for fear of the Jews." Jesus appeared to them at that time. The passage does not say that henceforth Sunday was to be the day for worship. Since it was the evening of the first day of the week that Jesus appeared to the disciples, it was after sundown. According to Jewish reckoning this was actually the beginning of the second day (Monday; compare Gen. 1:5, 8 ). A week later when Thomas happened to be present, Jesus met with the disciples again (verse 26). But, writing years later, John records nothing regarding Sunday as a day of Christian worship. John's narrative gives no warrant for regarding Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath or as a day to be distinguished by Christians above any other day of the week. And there is no indication in the passage that Sunday should henceforth be observed as a memorial of Christ's resurrection.

Acts 20:7, "On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight."Since the meeting was held at night on the first day of the week, it may have been Saturday night. According to Jewish reckoning, the Sabbath ended and the first day of the week began at sundown of the seventh day. If it were Sunday evening, the event gives no suggestion that Sunday should be observed as a day of worship. The following verses record that Paul preached a sermon on Thursday. The next day after the meeting recorded in Acts 20:7 (Monday), Paul and his party set sail for Mitylene (Acts 20:13, 14). The following day (Tuesday) they arrived opposite Chios (verse 15). The next day (Wednesday) they passed Samos (verse 15), and the day after that (Thursday) they arrived at Miletus (verse 15). The elders of the church of Ephesus met Paul at Miletus, and he preached to them (Acts 20:16-36). Because a Christian service was held on Thursday, do we conclude that Thursday is a day for regular Christian worship replacing the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath? A religious service on Sunday, Thursday, or any other day certainly did not make that day a replacement for the seventh-day Sabbath or a day of regular Christian worship and rest. There is no special significance in the disciples breaking bread at this first-day meeting, for they broke bread "daily" (Acts 2:46). We are not told that it was a Lord's Supper celebration, nor are we told that henceforth Sunday should be the day for this service to be conducted. To read Sunday sacredness or Sunday observance into Acts 20:7 is to do violence to the text.

1 Corinthians 16:1, 2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints: you should follow the directions I gave the churches of Galatia. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come. And when I arrive, I will send any whom you approve with letters to take your gift to Jerusalem." These verses may be literally translated from the Greek as follows: "And concerning the collection for the saints, as I instructed the churches of Galatia, so also you do. On the first day of the week let each of you place (or 'lay') by himself, storing up whatever he might be prospered, so that when I come there might be no collections." (Italics supplied.) The phrase "by himself" (par' heauto), followed by the participle "storing up" or "saving" (thesaupizon), rules out the possibility that this is a reference to an offering taken up in a worship service. The Christian believer was to check his accounts on Sunday and put by at home the money that he wished to give to Paul for the support of the church. When Paul arrived, then the offerings of each individual would be collected.

None of these eight New Testament references to the first day of the week (Sunday), provides any evidence that Jesus or His disciples changed the day of worship from the seventh to the first day. Nor is the first day of the week represented as a time to memorialize the resurrection of Christ. Whatever special significance was given to Sunday in the later history of the church, it had no basis in the teaching or practice of Jesus and His apostles...."

"...The record of the book of Acts (chapters 13, 16,­18) establishes that the apostles consistently kept the Sabbath day as a time for worship and fellowship. ....Jesus and the apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath and instructed others to do likewise, so it wasn't changed by them....."

[gospel]

Jesus is the Sabbath!

[thethinker]

Hobie wrote:

He tells us,"the Seventh Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God" and never has said anything to change that.

The sabbath was the shadow which prefigured Christ. Christ is therefore our sabbath now. We rest entirely in Him for our salvation.

thinker

[Lively Stone]

Jesus is the Sabbath!

Amen! Jesus is my Sabbath!

[Beta]

Hobie my friend
you are wasting your time !
There always have been those who resisted the truth.

[gospel]

Hobie my friend
you are wasting your time !
There always have been those who resisted the truth.

We know that Jesus is the Sabbath!

[Beta]

Hobie my friend
you are wasting your time !
There always have been those who resisted the truth.

We know that Jesus is the Sabbath!

As I have asked you before -
IF Jesus LIVES in you (as you claim) why do you not let him observe the Sabbath as he used to ? We know from scripture He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Where is your scriptural proof for sunday-keeping

[Amo]

We know that Jesus is the Sabbath!

The question is, where do you know that from?  The bible says nowhere, that Jesus is the Sabbath.  This statement is wholly extra biblical.  You may search the scriptures and find many different titles for Christ, but you will never see Him called the Sabbath, or Sabbath rest.  The Sabbath has always been a sign of entering into God's rest.  It was instituted by Christ Himself at creation, which is why Christ is Lord of the Sabbath, not the Sabbath.

Matt 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. 29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

The Sabbath day itself is not that rest, it is a specific time allotted by Christ Himself to enter into that rest in a way that is not possible on other days.  Number one, because the day was blessed and sanctified by Christ, who is God, who alone can bless and sanctify anything.  Number two, because having set the day aside for nothing other than quality time with God, there are not the distractions of every day life to interfere.  The day is observed by faith alone.  There is nothing apart from the word of God alone that makes the day appear different from any other in any way.  What is entering into God's rest, if it is not having faith in His word, and acting accordingly? 

[gospel]

Hobie my friend
you are wasting your time !
There always have been those who resisted the truth.

We know that Jesus is the Sabbath!

As I have asked you before -
IF Jesus LIVES in you (as you claim) why do you not let him observe the Sabbath as he used to ? We know from scripture He is the same yesterday, today and forever.
Where is your scriptural proof for sunday-keeping

Read the scriptures carefully, you'll see Jesus observed the Sabbath only as was His custom.
Key word "custom"!

This means He did not observe it for any other reason than paying respects to the custom to which His people had become ac-CUSTOM-ED

Point being, they like some of you, had long since lost the value, meaning and purpose of the Sabbath and the reason it had been given to them by God in the first place.

Having done so, it had become a custom, to which they had become accustomed i.e another in a long line of empty pointless rituals void of the original meaning and intent for which God had first established it

In the case of the Sabbath it was given for a specific reason and not coincidentally by any means, AS A SIGN pointing to Jesus mission, Jesus ministry.
For Jesus purpose and very existence on earth was the reason the Sabbath was given... because Jesus came for the express purpose of MAKING US HOLY, causing us those who receive Him to BELONG TO GOD

Exodus 31:13 "Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the LORD, who makes you holy.

It can't be any clearer than that, A SIGN so that you will know something

Something Jesus came to do....MAKE US HOLY 

Ezekiel 20:12

Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the LORD made them holy

"Also I gave them My sabbaths to be a sign between Me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD who sanctifies them.


In fact you can see in the verse above all Sabbaths were given for the same reason, however in the vanity of the religious system the Sabbaths became mere customs, the original intent lost and the meaning of the sign not understood or comprehended

Sadly, despite the vantage point we have through hindsight, many people today still do not understand the purpose of the SIGN of the Sabbath(s)

Or why Jesus said He is the Lord of the Sabbath

The Jews had also lost the meaning of the temple tax and again and sadly many people today do not distinguish the difference between the Temple tax and Roman taxes, they mix up the two, thinking they are one in the same and do not understand the role of the money changers as they relate to the Temple tax and Jesus offense towards their presence in the temple complex

But....

We'll discuss the temple tax in another thread

In any case

You can see in the instances of the Sabbath where there was a choice to be made, Jesus had no problem in disregarding the "custom" for the sake of accomplishing God's true purposes and He even said as much.


Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. Mark 2:27

[thethinker]

Hobie my friend
you are wasting your time !
There always have been those who resisted the truth.

Paul said that the sabbath was a shadow of Christ and that Christ Himself is the substance.

THIS MEANS THAT THE SABBATH POINTED TO JESUS OUR REAL SABBATH!

thinker