Understanding who Jesus was, the Creator and Lord of the Sabbath.

[Amo]

Jesus couldn't break the Sabbath

He is God and He is the Sabbath!

He is the Lord of the Sabbath

That means The Sabbath is His, it belongs to Him

It was given as a sign of His coming, as sign that He would make us Holy

Sad how a lot of you do not know this most important of All Truths

Jesus is not the Sabbath.  It was not given as a sign of His coming, but rather by Him as a memorial of His creation.  Read the commandment.  Since the fall, it has taken on greater significance in relation to redemption, and our new creation in Him, and yes a sign that it is God alone that sanctifies the believer.  God alone can sanctify anything.

The seventh day Sabbath is a sign in these last days especially, that one is a true worshiper of the true God.  It is a sign that those who observe it believe that God is the creator of this world in and through his Son the Lord Jesus Christ (Exo. 20:8-11, & John 1:1-3 & 14).  That He sustains this world, and all life in it in and through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ (Col. 1: 16&17).  That He has saved this world in rebellion, in and through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ, and there is salvation in no other (John 3:16, & Acts 4:12).  That salvation comes to the believer by entering into His rest in and through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.  Which very thing the Sabbath itself, is a sign of (Matt. 11:28&29, & Heb. 4) That He has provided continual intercession for all of humanity in and through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ (Heb. 4:14-16, & Heb. 7:22-28)  That He will sanctify, yes make holy, those who have faith in Him in and through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.   Which thing also the Sabbath is a sign of (Exo. 31:12-18,  John 17:17-19, Acts 26:15-18, 1 Cor. 6:9-11, Heb. 10:7-17).  That all of the above was, and is, according to the eternal purpose of God in and through His Son the Lord Jesus Christ.  That is, in the creation, preservation, and redemption of this world (Eph. 3:9-12).

The Sabbath is a sign that those who observe it believe that Jesus Christ is all in all.  That He created the world.  He sustains the world.  He has redeemed the world.  He ever liveth to make intercession for the world.  He sanctifies His own in the world through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, whom he sends (John 14:26, 15:26&27).  He came to this world, as one of us.  His life in this world, is our example for living.  He is the living word of God.  As he himself has said "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

[Amo]

I wonder when you were going to show up and correct this guy.

Glad to meet up to your expectations.  Have a happy Sabbath.

[LightHammer]

I wonder when you were going to show up and correct this guy.

Glad to meet up to your expectations.  Have a happy Sabbath.

Always and you too. Oddly enough I agree with you in your correction of these guys. Lets not get used to it though. 

[Amo]

Always and you too. Oddly enough I agree with you in your correction of these guys. Lets not get used to it though.  Smile

A rare moment in time indeed.  It is good to have a rest now and then.

[thethinker]

He meant that He did not come to abolish it without fulfilling it first. Once fulfilled it passes away or it is not fulfilled.

thinker

NO He did not mean that.  If He did, that would have been easy enough for Him to say, as you just did.  Careful brother, you are putting words into Christ's mouth.  Not very wise.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:17-19 (KJV)

Your words are in direct contradiction to the words of Christ above.

My words were based on a group of scriptures which I consolidated.

Jesus also said that "not one jot or tittle should pass from the law til all be fulfilled." This CLEARLY means that when the law is fulfulled it passes away. Jesus fulfilled the law. Therefore, the law passed away.

Paul said that Moses is passing away (2 Cor. 3). He also said that the sabbath was the "shadow" and that Christ is the "substance" (Colossians 2). Hebrews says that when the substance appears the shadow PASSES AWAY (chaps. 8-10).

I accurately enunciated the general teaching of scripture.

thinker

[Jaime]

Don't think so Scooter

[Consumingfire]

He meant that He did not come to abolish it without fulfilling it first. Once fulfilled it passes away or it is not fulfilled.

thinker

NO He did not mean that.  If He did, that would have been easy enough for Him to say, as you just did.  Careful brother, you are putting words into Christ's mouth.  Not very wise.

17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. 19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. Matt 5:17-19 (KJV)

Your words are in direct contradiction to the words of Christ above.

My words were based on a group of scriptures which I consolidated.

Jesus also said that "not one jot or tittle should pass from the law til all be fulfilled." This CLEARLY means that when the law is fulfulled it passes away. Jesus fulfilled the law. Therefore, the law passed away.

Paul said that Moses is passing away (2 Cor. 3). He also said that the sabbath was the "shadow" and that Christ is the "substance" (Colossians 2). Hebrews says that when the substance appears the shadow PASSES AWAY (chaps. 8-10).

I accurately enunciated the general teaching of scripture.

thinker

You think that is what "all" is referring to?  Why would have have stated that he did not come to abolish the law? 

[Jaime]

It was a trick. Jesus meant the opposite of what he said.

Seriously though, all won't be fulfilled until Jesus comes back.

[thethinker]

It was a trick. Jesus meant the opposite of what he said.

Seriously though, all won't be fulfilled until Jesus comes back.

Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the law til all be fulfilled. Stoning people for breaking the sabbath has passed. Therefore, the whole law has been fulfilled because a jot and tittle passed. So if all is not fulfilled til Jesus comes back, then keep stocked up on your stones.

thinker

[larry2]

Why would have (Jesus) have stated that He did not come to abolish the law?
 

Until all judgment is done, all things put under Jesus' feet by the Father, and all power and authority taken and usurping nations put down, the law; that ministration of death will continue to stand before an unbelieving world between God and man. The only way past it is Jesus, and it is to show the proud that they cannot get to God by works; they cannot keep the law. God sees the proud afar, and that obstacle of law that man cannot satisfy should bring about the circumstance of the rich ruler coming to Jesus in Luke 18:20, "Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honour thy father and thy mother." Then in Luke 18:21  And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up. Notice that Jesus didn't rebuke his statement, but with the law there is always something left undone as noted next.

WHAT? WHAT? Luke 18:22  "Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me."

This is loving your neighbor as yourself, and loving God with all thy heart as we're told in the next verse below.

Luke 10:27  And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

[Jaime]

So  Jesus said not until heaven and earth pass away or I'm a few months. Doesn't make sense. Of course for people that believe Jesus has already returned, anything is possible.

[thethinker]

So Jesus said not until heaven and earth pass away or I'm a few months. Doesn't make sense. Of course for people that believe Jesus has already returned, anything is possible.

Deuteronomy 30-32 says that heaven and earth is the book of Moses. Heaven and earth (the book of Moses) passed away. The new heaven and earth (or new covenant) is here.

thinker

[thethinker]

To All,

Jesus said that not one jot or tittle would pass from the llaw til all be fulfilled. Circumcision passed. So a jot and tittle has passed. Therefore, the whole law has been fulfilled.

thinker

[Jaime]

So Jesus said not until heaven and earth pass away or I'm a few months. Doesn't make sense. Of course for people that believe Jesus has already returned, anything is possible.

Deuteronomy 30-32 says that heaven and earth is the book of Moses. Heaven and earth (the book of Moses) passed away. The new heaven and earth (or new covenant) is here.

thinker

So Jesus said the law won't pass away until the law passes away? Don't think so. It's funny how you pick some idioms and ignore others.

[Jaime]

Also, I think it is prudent to maybe talk about the differences between the Law of Moses and the Law that God wrote with his own finger in the 10 commandments.

Jesus' summary of the 10 commandments into Love God and Love your neighbor did not abolish the 10 nor replace, they summed up the 10. Therefore we are not free to kill nor even to harbor anger. etc. When we by the Spirit love God and love our neighbor as myself, Jesus said we have kept the Law, the 10.

[Lively Stone]

Also, I think it is prudent to maybe talk about the differences between the Law of Moses and the Law that God wrote with his own finger in the 10 commandments.

Jesus' summary of the 10 commandments into Love God and Love your neighbor did not abolish the 10 nor replace, they summed up the 10. Therefore we are not free to kill nor even to harbor anger. etc. When we by the Spirit love God and love our neighbor as myself, Jesus said we have kept the Law, the 10.

Amen! Manna to you, Jaime!

[gospel]

Always and you too. Oddly enough I agree with you in your correction of these guys. Lets not get used to it though.  Smile

A rare moment in time indeed.  It is good to have a rest now and then.

You two agreeing only serves to reconfirm the rightness of what the rest of us understand the bible to be saying

[Jaime]

I thought me and Lively agreeing surely confirmed my rightness.

[Lively Stone]

I thought me and Lively agreeing surely confirmed my rightness.

[Amo]

You two agreeing only serves to reconfirm the rightness of what the rest of us understand the bible to be saying

No doubt, that agreement is based upon the fact that there is no scriptural support for doing away with the seventh day Sabbath.  However, I believe the day should still be kept according to the commandment, as Christians should gladly submit to the authority of God's commands.  LH on the other hand, correct me if I am wrong LH, believes his Church had and has the power to transfer the significance of the seventh day, to the first day.  So while we agree concerning no scriptural authority for the change, we draw very different conclusions as a result.

[Consumingfire]

You two agreeing only serves to reconfirm the rightness of what the rest of us understand the bible to be saying

No doubt, that agreement is based upon the fact that there is no scriptural support for doing away with the seventh day Sabbath.  However, I believe the day should still be kept according to the commandment, as Christians should gladly submit to the authority of God's commands.  LH on the other hand, correct me if I am wrong LH, believes his Church had and has the power to transfer the significance of the seventh day, to the first day.  So while we agree concerning no scriptural authority for the change, we draw very different conclusions as a result.

The problem is, when you look at why the day was changed, it is hard to believe that an extremely corrupt Rome would have the authority to change it.  Constantine changed it to Sunday to accommodate the Pagan believers that he was trying to attract. 

[gospel]

You two agreeing only serves to reconfirm the rightness of what the rest of us understand the bible to be saying

No doubt, that agreement is based upon the fact that there is no scriptural support for doing away with the seventh day Sabbath.  However, I believe the day should still be kept according to the commandment, as Christians should gladly submit to the authority of God's commands.  LH on the other hand, correct me if I am wrong LH, believes his Church had and has the power to transfer the significance of the seventh day, to the first day.  So while we agree concerning no scriptural authority for the change, we draw very different conclusions as a result.

The problem is, when you look at why the day was changed, it is hard to believe that an extremely corrupt Rome would have the authority to change it.  Constantine changed it to Sunday to accommodate the Pagan believers that he was trying to attract. 

Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God

[Amo]

Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me I don't know, what do you think?


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God

If it were the truth, it would be such a simple statement to make, as you have above.  Yet you cannot produce even a single scripture that comes right out and says Jesus is the Sabbath.  The Sabbath was instituted at creation before there ever was a sinner, and will be observed in heaven also, yet you preach it has no meaning in the present.  Go figure.

[WorshippingJesus]

If he broke God intended purpose in the law, he sinned. He didn't.

Jesus did not sin because he is Lord of the Sabbath meaning he is God.

YHVH the creator God could not be accused of sin because he is above the Laws given to man.

God gives life and he can take it. Who would accuse God of sin for having Moses and his people murder their enemies?

They accused Jesus of sin because he was working on the Sabbath, but Jesus could not sin because he was/is Lord and God of the Sabbath!

WJ

[thethinker]

Amo said:

If it were the truth, it would be such a simple statement to make, as you have above.  Yet you cannot produce even a single scripture that comes right out and says Jesus is the Sabbath.

The scripture which says that Jesus is the sabbath has been given but you wwill not receive it. Paul said,

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the REALITY, however, is found in Christ.

Colossians 2:16-17

The sabbath was the shadow. Christ is the REAL sabbath. He is our rest!

thinker

[gospel]

Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me I don't know, what do you think?


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God

If it were the truth, it would be such a simple statement to make, as you have above.  Yet you cannot produce even a single scripture that comes right out and says Jesus is the Sabbath.  The Sabbath was instituted at creation before there ever was a sinner, and will be observed in heaven also, yet you preach it has no meaning in the present.  Go figure.

Amo please forgive me but that is a little presumptuous and kind of silly because we cannot produce a single scripture that says Trinity

But that does not mean the Trinity does not exist...does it?

Through understanding of the scriptures we know that God is revealing Himself as a Trinity...right?


The Sabbath was given as a SIGN, read it! I didn't make it up A SIGN, that you may know something!

What?

I AM THE LORD THAT MAKES YOU HOLY!

Sir I present to you JESUS!

GOD with us, IS HE WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Jesus is in fact the Fulfillment of the Sign...its crystal clear! 

[thethinker]

gospel wrote:

Amo please forgive me but that is a little presumptuous and kind of silly because we cannot produce a single scripture that says Trinity

gospel,

We do have a scripture which says that Jesus is the sabbath. Maybe you missed my reply immediately above yours.

thinker

[gospel]

gospel wrote:

Amo please forgive me but that is a little presumptuous and kind of silly because we cannot produce a single scripture that says Trinity

gospel,

We do have a scripture which says that Jesus is the sabbath. Maybe you missed my reply immediately above yours.

thinker

Amen...you are the man!

16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.
17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the REALITY, however, is found in Christ.
Colossians 2:16-17

[Hobie]

Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me I don't know, what do you think?


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God

If it were the truth, it would be such a simple statement to make, as you have above.  Yet you cannot produce even a single scripture that comes right out and says Jesus is the Sabbath.  The Sabbath was instituted at creation before there ever was a sinner, and will be observed in heaven also, yet you preach it has no meaning in the present.  Go figure.

Amo please forgive me but that is a little presumptuous and kind of silly because we cannot produce a single scripture that says Trinity

But that does not mean the Trinity does not exist...does it?

Through understanding of the scriptures we know that God is revealing Himself as a Trinity...right?


The Sabbath was given as a SIGN, read it! I didn't make it up A SIGN, that you may know something!

What?

I AM THE LORD THAT MAKES YOU HOLY!

Sir I present to you JESUS!

GOD with us, IS HE WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Jesus is in fact the Fulfillment of the Sign...its crystal clear! 

The Trinity or Godhead is clearly taught in scripture

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

So is the Sabbath, but Sunday has nothing even after the ressurection as the disciples continued with the Sabbath as it was before and Christ tells it it would continue so you have to really bend scripture to fit Sunday as the day of worship. It isnt there.......

Here is a good explanation by by Kenneth A. Strand in The Sabbath in Scripture and History:

"...The word Sunday is not found in the Bible. In the New Testament the first day of the week is mentioned eight times. In none of the eight instances is the first day said to be a day of worship, never is it said to be the Christian substitute for the Old Testament Sabbath, and never do the texts suggest that the first day of the week should be regarded as a memorial of Christ's resurrection. Let us briefly consider each of the eight New Testament passages that mention the first day of the week.

Matthew 28:1, "After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And suddenly there was a great earthquake. . . ." Jesus was crucified on Friday. He rested in the tomb over the Sabbath and rose early on Sunday morning. The verse indicates that the women disciples returned to the tomb at the very first opportunity after the death and burial of Jesus. Because the Sabbath came so soon after His burial, they could not approach the tomb again until after sundown on Sabbath evening. (The Sabbath began at sundown on the sixth day and ended at sundown on the seventh day; compare Lev. 23:32; Neh. 13:19; Mark 1:21, 32) Early Sunday morning was the most convenient time for them to visit the tomb.

Mark 16:1, 2, "When the sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb."Mark records the same events as Matthew with the additional information that the women visited the tomb early on the Sunday morning for the express purpose of anointing Jesus' body with spices.

Mark 16:9, "Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."This verse simply records that, after His resurrection early on the Sunday morning, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene.

Luke 23:54 ­ 24:1, "It [the day of Jesus' death and burial] was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared." The Sabbath came a few hours after Jesus' death on the cross. The women disciples "rested the sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56, KJV). Then very early in the morning of the first day they visited the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus. The fact that they observed the Sabbath rest is sufficient indication that Jesus had never attempted to change the day or to suggest that after His death the first day would replace the Sabbath. Writing years after the event, Luke gave not the slightest hint that, even though the women disciples of Jesus observed the Sabbath, such a practice was no longer expected of Christians. He simply recorded that the Sabbath day "according to the commandment," which Jesus' followers were careful to observe, was the day after the crucifixion day (Friday), and before the resurrection day (Sunday).

John 20:1, "Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb."Mary Magdalene visited the tomb early the first day of the week. Nothing is said of Sunday as a day of worship or rest.

John 20:19, "When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, 'Peace be with you.'" On the evening of the first day of the week the disciples were assembled behind locked doors "for fear of the Jews." Jesus appeared to them at that time. The passage does not say that henceforth Sunday was to be the day for worship. Since it was the evening of the first day of the week that Jesus appeared to the disciples, it was after sundown. According to Jewish reckoning this was actually the beginning of the second day (Monday; compare Gen. 1:5, 8 ). A week later when Thomas happened to be present, Jesus met with the disciples again (verse 26). But, writing years later, John records nothing regarding Sunday as a day of Christian worship. John's narrative gives no warrant for regarding Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath or as a day to be distinguished by Christians above any other day of the week. And there is no indication in the passage that Sunday should henceforth be observed as a memorial of Christ's resurrection.

Acts 20:7, "On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight."Since the meeting was held at night on the first day of the week, it may have been Saturday night. According to Jewish reckoning, the Sabbath ended and the first day of the week began at sundown of the seventh day. If it were Sunday evening, the event gives no suggestion that Sunday should be observed as a day of worship. The following verses record that Paul preached a sermon on Thursday. The next day after the meeting recorded in Acts 20:7 (Monday), Paul and his party set sail for Mitylene (Acts 20:13, 14). The following day (Tuesday) they arrived opposite Chios (verse 15). The next day (Wednesday) they passed Samos (verse 15), and the day after that (Thursday) they arrived at Miletus (verse 15). The elders of the church of Ephesus met Paul at Miletus, and he preached to them (Acts 20:16-36). Because a Christian service was held on Thursday, do we conclude that Thursday is a day for regular Christian worship replacing the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath? A religious service on Sunday, Thursday, or any other day certainly did not make that day a replacement for the seventh-day Sabbath or a day of regular Christian worship and rest. There is no special significance in the disciples breaking bread at this first-day meeting, for they broke bread "daily" (Acts 2:46). We are not told that it was a Lord's Supper celebration, nor are we told that henceforth Sunday should be the day for this service to be conducted. To read Sunday sacredness or Sunday observance into Acts 20:7 is to do violence to the text.

1 Corinthians 16:1, 2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints: you should follow the directions I gave the churches of Galatia. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come. And when I arrive, I will send any whom you approve with letters to take your gift to Jerusalem." These verses may be literally translated from the Greek as follows: "And concerning the collection for the saints, as I instructed the churches of Galatia, so also you do. On the first day of the week let each of you place (or 'lay') by himself, storing up whatever he might be prospered, so that when I come there might be no collections." (Italics supplied.) The phrase "by himself" (par' heauto), followed by the participle "storing up" or "saving" (thesaupizon), rules out the possibility that this is a reference to an offering taken up in a worship service. The Christian believer was to check his accounts on Sunday and put by at home the money that he wished to give to Paul for the support of the church. When Paul arrived, then the offerings of each individual would be collected.

None of these eight New Testament references to the first day of the week (Sunday), provides any evidence that Jesus or His disciples changed the day of worship from the seventh to the first day. Nor is the first day of the week represented as a time to memorialize the resurrection of Christ. Whatever special significance was given to Sunday in the later history of the church, it had no basis in the teaching or practice of Jesus and His apostles.

As pointed out in the previous chapter, Jesus instructed His disciples to observe the Sabbath after His death (Matt. 24:20). Jesus' instruction was incorporated into His interpretation of Daniel 8 (compare Matthew 24:15 ff.). Daniel predicted that the work of the little horn power would continue until the setting up of God's kingdom (Dan. 8:25). Hence, Jesus' instruction to flee from the little horn power was not confined to Christians at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70). Toward the end of time, during the great tribulation of Matthew 24:21, of which earlier tribulations were a type or preview, God's people will be obliged to flee again. Jesus' instruction that we pray that our flight will not be on the Sabbath day emphasizes His will that we engage in only those activities on the Sabbath that are consistent with worship and spiritual rest.

The record of the book of Acts (chapters 13, 16­18) establishes that the apostles consistently kept the Sabbath day as a time for worship and fellowship. This observance was not merely a means of meeting the Jews in the synagogue on their Sabbath day. In Philippi, Paul and his companions met for worship by the riverside. Luke says, "On the sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed [or "thought" or "assumed" : Greek nomizo] there was a place for prayer. . . ." (Acts 16:13). The apostles selected a place by the river that they thought would be appropriate for their Sabbath worship service, and there they prayed and witnessed for their Lord.

Jesus and the apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath and instructed others to do likewise, so it wasn't changed by them....."

[gospel]

Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me I don't know, what do you think?


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God

If it were the truth, it would be such a simple statement to make, as you have above.  Yet you cannot produce even a single scripture that comes right out and says Jesus is the Sabbath.  The Sabbath was instituted at creation before there ever was a sinner, and will be observed in heaven also, yet you preach it has no meaning in the present.  Go figure.

Amo please forgive me but that is a little presumptuous and kind of silly because we cannot produce a single scripture that says Trinity

But that does not mean the Trinity does not exist...does it?

Through understanding of the scriptures we know that God is revealing Himself as a Trinity...right?


The Sabbath was given as a SIGN, read it! I didn't make it up A SIGN, that you may know something!

What?

I AM THE LORD THAT MAKES YOU HOLY!

Sir I present to you JESUS!

GOD with us, IS HE WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Jesus is in fact the Fulfillment of the Sign...its crystal clear! 

The Trinity or Godhead is clearly taught in scripture

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

So is the Sabbath, but Sunday has nothing even after the ressurection as the disciples continued with the Sabbath as it was before and Christ tells it it would continue so you have to really bend scripture to fit Sunday as the day of worship. It isnt there.......

Here is a good explanation by by Kenneth A. Strand in The Sabbath in Scripture and History:

"...The word Sunday is not found in the Bible. In the New Testament the first day of the week is mentioned eight times. In none of the eight instances is the first day said to be a day of worship, never is it said to be the Christian substitute for the Old Testament Sabbath, and never do the texts suggest that the first day of the week should be regarded as a memorial of Christ's resurrection. Let us briefly consider each of the eight New Testament passages that mention the first day of the week.

Matthew 28:1, "After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And suddenly there was a great earthquake. . . ." Jesus was crucified on Friday. He rested in the tomb over the Sabbath and rose early on Sunday morning. The verse indicates that the women disciples returned to the tomb at the very first opportunity after the death and burial of Jesus. Because the Sabbath came so soon after His burial, they could not approach the tomb again until after sundown on Sabbath evening. (The Sabbath began at sundown on the sixth day and ended at sundown on the seventh day; compare Lev. 23:32; Neh. 13:19; Mark 1:21, 32) Early Sunday morning was the most convenient time for them to visit the tomb.

Mark 16:1, 2, "When the sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb."Mark records the same events as Matthew with the additional information that the women visited the tomb early on the Sunday morning for the express purpose of anointing Jesus' body with spices.

Mark 16:9, "Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."This verse simply records that, after His resurrection early on the Sunday morning, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene.

Luke 23:54 ­ 24:1, "It [the day of Jesus' death and burial] was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared." The Sabbath came a few hours after Jesus' death on the cross. The women disciples "rested the sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56, KJV). Then very early in the morning of the first day they visited the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus. The fact that they observed the Sabbath rest is sufficient indication that Jesus had never attempted to change the day or to suggest that after His death the first day would replace the Sabbath. Writing years after the event, Luke gave not the slightest hint that, even though the women disciples of Jesus observed the Sabbath, such a practice was no longer expected of Christians. He simply recorded that the Sabbath day "according to the commandment," which Jesus' followers were careful to observe, was the day after the crucifixion day (Friday), and before the resurrection day (Sunday).

John 20:1, "Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb."Mary Magdalene visited the tomb early the first day of the week. Nothing is said of Sunday as a day of worship or rest.

John 20:19, "When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, 'Peace be with you.'" On the evening of the first day of the week the disciples were assembled behind locked doors "for fear of the Jews." Jesus appeared to them at that time. The passage does not say that henceforth Sunday was to be the day for worship. Since it was the evening of the first day of the week that Jesus appeared to the disciples, it was after sundown. According to Jewish reckoning this was actually the beginning of the second day (Monday; compare Gen. 1:5, 8 ). A week later when Thomas happened to be present, Jesus met with the disciples again (verse 26). But, writing years later, John records nothing regarding Sunday as a day of Christian worship. John's narrative gives no warrant for regarding Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath or as a day to be distinguished by Christians above any other day of the week. And there is no indication in the passage that Sunday should henceforth be observed as a memorial of Christ's resurrection.

Acts 20:7, "On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight."Since the meeting was held at night on the first day of the week, it may have been Saturday night. According to Jewish reckoning, the Sabbath ended and the first day of the week began at sundown of the seventh day. If it were Sunday evening, the event gives no suggestion that Sunday should be observed as a day of worship. The following verses record that Paul preached a sermon on Thursday. The next day after the meeting recorded in Acts 20:7 (Monday), Paul and his party set sail for Mitylene (Acts 20:13, 14). The following day (Tuesday) they arrived opposite Chios (verse 15). The next day (Wednesday) they passed Samos (verse 15), and the day after that (Thursday) they arrived at Miletus (verse 15). The elders of the church of Ephesus met Paul at Miletus, and he preached to them (Acts 20:16-36). Because a Christian service was held on Thursday, do we conclude that Thursday is a day for regular Christian worship replacing the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath? A religious service on Sunday, Thursday, or any other day certainly did not make that day a replacement for the seventh-day Sabbath or a day of regular Christian worship and rest. There is no special significance in the disciples breaking bread at this first-day meeting, for they broke bread "daily" (Acts 2:46). We are not told that it was a Lord's Supper celebration, nor are we told that henceforth Sunday should be the day for this service to be conducted. To read Sunday sacredness or Sunday observance into Acts 20:7 is to do violence to the text.

1 Corinthians 16:1, 2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints: you should follow the directions I gave the churches of Galatia. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come. And when I arrive, I will send any whom you approve with letters to take your gift to Jerusalem." These verses may be literally translated from the Greek as follows: "And concerning the collection for the saints, as I instructed the churches of Galatia, so also you do. On the first day of the week let each of you place (or 'lay') by himself, storing up whatever he might be prospered, so that when I come there might be no collections." (Italics supplied.) The phrase "by himself" (par' heauto), followed by the participle "storing up" or "saving" (thesaupizon), rules out the possibility that this is a reference to an offering taken up in a worship service. The Christian believer was to check his accounts on Sunday and put by at home the money that he wished to give to Paul for the support of the church. When Paul arrived, then the offerings of each individual would be collected.

None of these eight New Testament references to the first day of the week (Sunday), provides any evidence that Jesus or His disciples changed the day of worship from the seventh to the first day. Nor is the first day of the week represented as a time to memorialize the resurrection of Christ. Whatever special significance was given to Sunday in the later history of the church, it had no basis in the teaching or practice of Jesus and His apostles.

As pointed out in the previous chapter, Jesus instructed His disciples to observe the Sabbath after His death (Matt. 24:20). Jesus' instruction was incorporated into His interpretation of Daniel 8 (compare Matthew 24:15 ff.). Daniel predicted that the work of the little horn power would continue until the setting up of God's kingdom (Dan. 8:25). Hence, Jesus' instruction to flee from the little horn power was not confined to Christians at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70). Toward the end of time, during the great tribulation of Matthew 24:21, of which earlier tribulations were a type or preview, God's people will be obliged to flee again. Jesus' instruction that we pray that our flight will not be on the Sabbath day emphasizes His will that we engage in only those activities on the Sabbath that are consistent with worship and spiritual rest.

The record of the book of Acts (chapters 13, 16­18) establishes that the apostles consistently kept the Sabbath day as a time for worship and fellowship. This observance was not merely a means of meeting the Jews in the synagogue on their Sabbath day. In Philippi, Paul and his companions met for worship by the riverside. Luke says, "On the sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed [or "thought" or "assumed" : Greek nomizo] there was a place for prayer. . . ." (Acts 16:13). The apostles selected a place by the river that they thought would be appropriate for their Sabbath worship service, and there they prayed and witnessed for their Lord.

Jesus and the apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath and instructed others to do likewise, so it wasn't changed by them....."

You said an awful lot and a lot of it seems to make sense, at least to you but I have to tell you

If you don't understand that Jesus is the only Sabbath rest you will ever know ...its your lost

If you think your Sabbath rest relies and depends on a day of the week you're suffering from a very distinct disadvantage and lack of understanding of our Covenant with God

I assure you, according to the scriptures and all that is good and Holy

YOU HAVE NO SABBATH REST APART FROM JESUS

HE IS THE SABBATH REST GOD HAS ALWAYS POINTED TO

The rest from working the cursed earth,  the rest from carrying your burdens, the rest from being heavy laden

NO DAY OF THE WEEK IS EMPOWERED TO DO THAT WHICH ONLY COMES FROM GOD, KNOWING JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR

JESUS IS YOUR SABBATH REST

[thethinker]

Hobie wrote:

Jesus and the apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath and instructed others to do likewise, so it wasn't changed by them....."

Jesus was circumcised too. Does this mean that we must be circumcised today? So what if the apostles kept the sabbath at the beginning! They also observed the Feast of Purim and offered an animal sacrifice (Acts 21). Should we offer sacrifices today? The apostles did those things to minister to the Jews and not offend them.

The book of Hebrews is explicit in its declarations that all that old testament stuff was a "shadow" that had to pass away. Paul said that the sabbath was a "shadow" of Christ who is the "reality."

The Bible CLEARLY pronounces that the sabbath day is fulfilled in Christ. He is YOUR sabbath rest. Period!

thinker

[gospel]

Hobie wrote:

Jesus and the apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath and instructed others to do likewise, so it wasn't changed by them....."

Jesus was circumcised too. Does this mean that we must be circumcised today? So what if the apostles kept the sabbath at the beginning! They also observed the Feast of Purim and offered an animal sacrifice (Acts 21). Should we offer sacrifices today? The apostles did those things to minister to the Jews and not offend them.

The book of Hebrews is explicit in its declarations that all that old testament stuff was a "shadow" that had to pass away. Paul said that the sabbath was a "shadow" of Christ who is the "reality."

The Bible CLEARLY pronounces that the sabbath day is fulfilled in Christ. He is YOUR sabbath rest. Period!

thinker

You speak truth, hopefully someone will hear it

Manna my brother

[Hobie]

Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me I don't know, what do you think?


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God

If it were the truth, it would be such a simple statement to make, as you have above.  Yet you cannot produce even a single scripture that comes right out and says Jesus is the Sabbath.  The Sabbath was instituted at creation before there ever was a sinner, and will be observed in heaven also, yet you preach it has no meaning in the present.  Go figure.

Amo please forgive me but that is a little presumptuous and kind of silly because we cannot produce a single scripture that says Trinity

But that does not mean the Trinity does not exist...does it?

Through understanding of the scriptures we know that God is revealing Himself as a Trinity...right?


The Sabbath was given as a SIGN, read it! I didn't make it up A SIGN, that you may know something!

What?

I AM THE LORD THAT MAKES YOU HOLY!

Sir I present to you JESUS!

GOD with us, IS HE WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Jesus is in fact the Fulfillment of the Sign...its crystal clear! 

The Trinity or Godhead is clearly taught in scripture

Matthew 28:19
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

So is the Sabbath, but Sunday has nothing even after the ressurection as the disciples continued with the Sabbath as it was before and Christ tells it it would continue so you have to really bend scripture to fit Sunday as the day of worship. It isnt there.......

Here is a good explanation by by Kenneth A. Strand in The Sabbath in Scripture and History:

"...The word Sunday is not found in the Bible. In the New Testament the first day of the week is mentioned eight times. In none of the eight instances is the first day said to be a day of worship, never is it said to be the Christian substitute for the Old Testament Sabbath, and never do the texts suggest that the first day of the week should be regarded as a memorial of Christ's resurrection. Let us briefly consider each of the eight New Testament passages that mention the first day of the week.

Matthew 28:1, "After the sabbath, as the first day of the week was dawning, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the tomb. And suddenly there was a great earthquake. . . ." Jesus was crucified on Friday. He rested in the tomb over the Sabbath and rose early on Sunday morning. The verse indicates that the women disciples returned to the tomb at the very first opportunity after the death and burial of Jesus. Because the Sabbath came so soon after His burial, they could not approach the tomb again until after sundown on Sabbath evening. (The Sabbath began at sundown on the sixth day and ended at sundown on the seventh day; compare Lev. 23:32; Neh. 13:19; Mark 1:21, 32) Early Sunday morning was the most convenient time for them to visit the tomb.

Mark 16:1, 2, "When the sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome bought spices, so that they might go and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, when the sun had risen, they went to the tomb."Mark records the same events as Matthew with the additional information that the women visited the tomb early on the Sunday morning for the express purpose of anointing Jesus' body with spices.

Mark 16:9, "Now after he rose early on the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, from whom he had cast out seven demons."This verse simply records that, after His resurrection early on the Sunday morning, Jesus appeared to Mary Magdalene.

Luke 23:54 ­ 24:1, "It [the day of Jesus' death and burial] was the day of Preparation, and the sabbath was beginning. The women who had come with him from Galilee followed, and they saw the tomb and how his body was laid. Then they returned, and prepared spices and ointments. On the sabbath they rested according to the commandment. But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, taking the spices that they had prepared." The Sabbath came a few hours after Jesus' death on the cross. The women disciples "rested the sabbath day according to the commandment" (Luke 23:56, KJV). Then very early in the morning of the first day they visited the tomb to anoint the body of Jesus. The fact that they observed the Sabbath rest is sufficient indication that Jesus had never attempted to change the day or to suggest that after His death the first day would replace the Sabbath. Writing years after the event, Luke gave not the slightest hint that, even though the women disciples of Jesus observed the Sabbath, such a practice was no longer expected of Christians. He simply recorded that the Sabbath day "according to the commandment," which Jesus' followers were careful to observe, was the day after the crucifixion day (Friday), and before the resurrection day (Sunday).

John 20:1, "Early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark, Mary Magdalene came to the tomb and saw that the stone had been removed from the tomb."Mary Magdalene visited the tomb early the first day of the week. Nothing is said of Sunday as a day of worship or rest.

John 20:19, "When it was evening on that day, the first day of the week, and the doors of the house where the disciples had met were locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, 'Peace be with you.'" On the evening of the first day of the week the disciples were assembled behind locked doors "for fear of the Jews." Jesus appeared to them at that time. The passage does not say that henceforth Sunday was to be the day for worship. Since it was the evening of the first day of the week that Jesus appeared to the disciples, it was after sundown. According to Jewish reckoning this was actually the beginning of the second day (Monday; compare Gen. 1:5, 8 ). A week later when Thomas happened to be present, Jesus met with the disciples again (verse 26). But, writing years later, John records nothing regarding Sunday as a day of Christian worship. John's narrative gives no warrant for regarding Sunday as a substitute for the Sabbath or as a day to be distinguished by Christians above any other day of the week. And there is no indication in the passage that Sunday should henceforth be observed as a memorial of Christ's resurrection.

Acts 20:7, "On the first day of the week, when we met to break bread, Paul was holding a discussion with them; since he intended to leave the next day, he continued speaking until midnight."Since the meeting was held at night on the first day of the week, it may have been Saturday night. According to Jewish reckoning, the Sabbath ended and the first day of the week began at sundown of the seventh day. If it were Sunday evening, the event gives no suggestion that Sunday should be observed as a day of worship. The following verses record that Paul preached a sermon on Thursday. The next day after the meeting recorded in Acts 20:7 (Monday), Paul and his party set sail for Mitylene (Acts 20:13, 14). The following day (Tuesday) they arrived opposite Chios (verse 15). The next day (Wednesday) they passed Samos (verse 15), and the day after that (Thursday) they arrived at Miletus (verse 15). The elders of the church of Ephesus met Paul at Miletus, and he preached to them (Acts 20:16-36). Because a Christian service was held on Thursday, do we conclude that Thursday is a day for regular Christian worship replacing the observance of the seventh-day Sabbath? A religious service on Sunday, Thursday, or any other day certainly did not make that day a replacement for the seventh-day Sabbath or a day of regular Christian worship and rest. There is no special significance in the disciples breaking bread at this first-day meeting, for they broke bread "daily" (Acts 2:46). We are not told that it was a Lord's Supper celebration, nor are we told that henceforth Sunday should be the day for this service to be conducted. To read Sunday sacredness or Sunday observance into Acts 20:7 is to do violence to the text.

1 Corinthians 16:1, 2, "Now concerning the collection for the saints: you should follow the directions I gave the churches of Galatia. On the first day of every week, each of you is to put aside and save whatever extra you earn, so that collections need not be taken when I come. And when I arrive, I will send any whom you approve with letters to take your gift to Jerusalem." These verses may be literally translated from the Greek as follows: "And concerning the collection for the saints, as I instructed the churches of Galatia, so also you do. On the first day of the week let each of you place (or 'lay') by himself, storing up whatever he might be prospered, so that when I come there might be no collections." (Italics supplied.) The phrase "by himself" (par' heauto), followed by the participle "storing up" or "saving" (thesaupizon), rules out the possibility that this is a reference to an offering taken up in a worship service. The Christian believer was to check his accounts on Sunday and put by at home the money that he wished to give to Paul for the support of the church. When Paul arrived, then the offerings of each individual would be collected.

None of these eight New Testament references to the first day of the week (Sunday), provides any evidence that Jesus or His disciples changed the day of worship from the seventh to the first day. Nor is the first day of the week represented as a time to memorialize the resurrection of Christ. Whatever special significance was given to Sunday in the later history of the church, it had no basis in the teaching or practice of Jesus and His apostles.

As pointed out in the previous chapter, Jesus instructed His disciples to observe the Sabbath after His death (Matt. 24:20). Jesus' instruction was incorporated into His interpretation of Daniel 8 (compare Matthew 24:15 ff.). Daniel predicted that the work of the little horn power would continue until the setting up of God's kingdom (Dan. 8:25). Hence, Jesus' instruction to flee from the little horn power was not confined to Christians at the time of the destruction of Jerusalem (A.D. 70). Toward the end of time, during the great tribulation of Matthew 24:21, of which earlier tribulations were a type or preview, God's people will be obliged to flee again. Jesus' instruction that we pray that our flight will not be on the Sabbath day emphasizes His will that we engage in only those activities on the Sabbath that are consistent with worship and spiritual rest.

The record of the book of Acts (chapters 13, 16­18) establishes that the apostles consistently kept the Sabbath day as a time for worship and fellowship. This observance was not merely a means of meeting the Jews in the synagogue on their Sabbath day. In Philippi, Paul and his companions met for worship by the riverside. Luke says, "On the sabbath day we went outside the gate to the riverside, where we supposed [or "thought" or "assumed" : Greek nomizo] there was a place for prayer. . . ." (Acts 16:13). The apostles selected a place by the river that they thought would be appropriate for their Sabbath worship service, and there they prayed and witnessed for their Lord.

Jesus and the apostles kept the seventh-day Sabbath and instructed others to do likewise, so it wasn't changed by them....."

You said an awful lot and a lot of it seems to make sense, at least to you but I have to tell you

If you don't understand that Jesus is the only Sabbath rest you will ever know ...its your lost

If you think your Sabbath rest relies and depends on a day of the week you're suffering from a very distinct disadvantage and lack of understanding of our Covenant with God

I assure you, according to the scriptures and all that is good and Holy

YOU HAVE NO SABBATH REST APART FROM JESUS

HE IS THE SABBATH REST GOD HAS ALWAYS POINTED TO

The rest from working the cursed earth,  the rest from carrying your burdens, the rest from being heavy laden

NO DAY OF THE WEEK IS EMPOWERED TO DO THAT WHICH ONLY COMES FROM GOD, KNOWING JESUS AS LORD AND SAVIOR

JESUS IS YOUR SABBATH REST

Jesus is not a "day" nor is He ever symbolically/metaphorically linked to being a "day

[Hobie]

and more...

''The [Roman Catholic] Church changed the observance of the Sabbath to Sunday by right of the divine, infallible authority given to her by her founder, Jesus Christ. The Protestant claiming the Bible to be the only guide of faith, has no warrant for observing Sunday. In this matter the Seventh-day Adventist is the only consistent Protestant.'' The Catholic Universe Bulletin, August 14, 1942, p. 4.

"All of us believe many things in regard to religion that we do not find in the Bible. For example, nowhere in the Bible do we find that Christ or the Apostles ordered that the Sabbath be changed from Saturday to Sunday. We have the commandment of God given to Moses to keep holy the Sabbath Day, that is the 7th day of the week, Saturday. Today most Christians keep Sunday because it has been revealed to us by the Church outside the Bible." The Catholic Virginian, "To Tell You The Truth,

[Hobie]

So what did Jesus say and do on the Commandments?

In John 15:10 Jesus said "I have kept my father's commandments" and we can also find from scripture that Jesus attended church on the Sabbath day. "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read." Luke 4:16

Now lets look at what did the Apostles do?
"And Paul, as his manner was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures." Acts 17:2. "Paul and his company ... went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down." Acts 13:13, 14. "And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither." Acts 16:13. "And he [Paul] reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4.

Then we look at the Gentiles as they began to come into the church..

"And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath." "And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God." Acts 13:42, 44, emphasis added. "And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." Acts 18:4.

My friends, look to Gods word, not to mans reasoning and traditions which are not from God