Understanding who Jesus was, the Creator and Lord of the Sabbath.

[Palmtree77]

Jesus was the "I AM" in the burning bush.

John 8:58 Jesus said to them, "Most certainly, I tell you, before Abraham came into existence, I AM."

And he is the Yahweh of Zechariah 14.

Mucho manna to you my friend on this fine day

JESUS IS GOD!

Amen!

Here is the Key to wisdom


Jesus is Christ who is God.


Jesus took up his Cross and became perfected being Christ and rose being Lord.


If we understand that the Cross of Christ is the way to Victory over sin then we are made perfect and have Dominion over sin.

This is the way to a more perfect understanding of Scriptures, Jesus Christ and him crucified.

[thethinker]

Christ is no Angel, he IS Jehovah

That's funny you should say this because you correctly said in a previous post today that it was Christ who appeared in the burning bush. Exodus 3 says that it was the ANGEL of Jehovah who appeared in the burning bush. Trinitarians unviversally agree that the Angel of Jehovah who appeared in the burning bush was Christ. In Zechariah 1:12 the Angel of Jehovah is distinguished from Jehovah. He spoke to Jehovah:

"So the Angel of Jehovah answered and said, 'O Jehovah of armies, how long will You Yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem?' "

Two points:

1. The word "Angel" simply means "Messenger." Christ is the Messenger of Jehovah.

2. The Angel (Messenger) advocated for Jerusalem.

There is no advocate between God and men but Christ. Therefore, the Angel (Messenger) was Christ and is distinguished from Jehovah as the advocate between Jehovah and the people.

Again, there is no exegetical basis whatsoever in Zechariah 14 for the Futurist's claim that Christ would physically come to the Mt. of Olives because He is clearly distinguished from Jehovah in 13:7. It is Jehovah who was to come to the Mt. of Olives.

The fault line that runs through the Mt. of Olives is PROOF that the prophecy has been fulfilled. Therefore, you cannot prove that the sabbath is still to be observed or will be observed again in the future.

thinker

[Jaime]

No the fault line has not separated and MOVED the halves APART.

Also, in several commentaries I have read, the angel of the Lord could be a reference to Christ, but not universally accepted and it could be an arch Angel.

At any rate, Jesus is Jehovah and he will be setting foot on the Mt of Olives in the future. (Beyond 70 AD for some you!).

Jesus is always the visible representation of Jehovah. When Jehovah COMES any where, it is Jesus.

The angel of the Lord, was the appearance of the burning bush of the bush, Yahweh did the talking. Yahweh was and is Jesus.

Exodus:

3:2 The angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush. He looked, and behold, the bush burned with fire, and the bush was not consumed.
3:3 Moses said, "I will turn aside now, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt."
3:4 When Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the midst of the bush, and said, "Moses! Moses!" He said, "Here I am."
3:5 He said, "Don't come close. Take your sandals off of your feet, for the place you are standing on is holy ground."

[Hobie]

Hobie, they don't believe scripture like that. Especially like Zechariah 14 that says we will be celebrating the Feast of Sukkot in Jerusalem worshipping Jesus reigning as king after he touches down on the mount of Olives and the mountain splits from East to West.

Not quite sure what you mean in 'dont believe scripture like that', it is what it is, the earth will be made new like it was at Creation just as we will be transformed when Christ comes.

Lets read all of Rev 21 and you tell me what you think is says.......

Revelation 21
A New Heaven and a New Earth
1 Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth,

[Palmtree77]

Hobie, they don't believe scripture like that. Especially like Zechariah 14 that says we will be celebrating the Feast of Sukkot in Jerusalem worshipping Jesus reigning as king after he touches down on the mount of Olives and the mountain splits from East to West.

Not quite sure what you mean in 'dont believe scripture like that', it is what it is, the earth will be made new like it was at Creation just as we will be transformed when Christ comes.

Lets read all of Rev 21 and you tell me what you think is says.......

Revelation 21
A New Heaven and a New Earth
1 Then I saw "a new heaven and a new earth,"[a] for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, "Look! God's dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God. 4 'He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death' or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
5 He who was seated on the throne said, "I am making everything new!" Then he said, "Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true."

6 He said to me: "It is done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To the thirsty I will give water without cost from the spring of the water of life. 7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children. 8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice magic arts, the idolaters and all liars—they will be consigned to the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."

The New Jerusalem, the Bride of the Lamb
9 One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues came and said to me, "Come, I will show you the bride, the wife of the Lamb." 10 And he carried me away in the Spirit to a mountain great and high, and showed me the Holy City, Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God. 11 It shone with the glory of God, and its brilliance was like that of a very precious jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal. 12 It had a great, high wall with twelve gates, and with twelve angels at the gates. On the gates were written the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. 13 There were three gates on the east, three on the north, three on the south and three on the west. 14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
15 The angel who talked with me had a measuring rod of gold to measure the city, its gates and its walls. 16 The city was laid out like a square, as long as it was wide. He measured the city with the rod and found it to be 12,000 stadia[c] in length, and as wide and high as it is long. 17 The angel measured the wall using human measurement, and it was 144 cubits[d] thick.[e] 18 The wall was made of jasper, and the city of pure gold, as pure as glass. 19 The foundations of the city walls were decorated with every kind of precious stone. The first foundation was jasper, the second sapphire, the third agate, the fourth emerald, 20 the fifth onyx, the sixth ruby, the seventh chrysolite, the eighth beryl, the ninth topaz, the tenth turquoise, the eleventh jacinth, and the twelfth amethyst.[f] 21 The twelve gates were twelve pearls, each gate made of a single pearl. The great street of the city was of gold, as pure as transparent glass.

22 I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple. 23 The city does not need the sun or the moon to shine on it, for the glory of God gives it light, and the Lamb is its lamp. 24 The nations will walk by its light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. 25 On no day will its gates ever be shut, for there will be no night there. 26 The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. 27 Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Praise the Lord brother,

I don't know for sure what he meant, but I believe it's the fact many people don't understand the Bible is the Living word of God.

[Hobie]

Right before that we have the destruction of the wicked...

Revelation 20
The Thousand Years
1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time.
4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

The Judgment of Satan
7 When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. 9 They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves. But fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil, who deceived them, was thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
The Judgment of the Dead
11 Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. 14 Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15 Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire.

[HypakoeDoulos]

Hobie my friend
you are wasting your time !
There always have been those who resisted the truth.

Paul said that the sabbath was a shadow of Christ and that Christ Himself is the substance.

THIS MEANS THAT THE SABBATH POINTED TO JESUS OUR REAL SABBATH!

thinker

Question, what need was there of a "shadow" before the sin of mankind?

There was not even yet a need for any typological "ritual", as there yet being no sacrificial system, because there was as yet no sin of mankind.

The 7th Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.  One could no more be rid of the Sabbath than they could rid themsleves of a whole day.

The typological seasonal [even yearly or special] feast sabbaths were given at Mt. Sinai through Moses, and were temporary, typifying, signifying Christ Jesus.

The 7th Day, which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God is 1/10th of the Moral Law of God.

The Sabbath [the 7th day] was made for the blessing of all mankind, since it was made for "adam" the first man and all men from him.

Upon that 7th Day in Jerusalem, when Christ was dead, and in the tomb, the typological sabbath and the 7th Day Sabbath met together, and the 7th day Sabbath was given yet another dimension in memorial, not only is it the memorial of the "very good" Creation of God, it also now and forever signifies the Redemption of mankind.  Those who rest in Christ Jesus, in his finished work at the cross, will continue to keep the 4th Commandment, the 7th day, which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.  The typological added seasonal sabbaths ceased and the 7th Day Sabbath obtained more glory and shines ever brighter than before.

Christ Jesus in John 14:15 quoted directly from Exodus 20:6.  "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

[Palmtree77]

Hobie my friend
you are wasting your time !
There always have been those who resisted the truth.

Paul said that the sabbath was a shadow of Christ and that Christ Himself is the substance.

THIS MEANS THAT THE SABBATH POINTED TO JESUS OUR REAL SABBATH!

thinker

Question, what need was there of a "shadow" before the sin of mankind?

There was not even yet a need for any typological "ritual", as there yet being no sacrificial system, because there was as yet no sin of mankind.

The 7th Day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.  One could no more be rid of the Sabbath than they could rid themsleves of a whole day.

The typological seasonal [even yearly or special] feast sabbaths were given at Mt. Sinai through Moses, and were temporary, typifying, signifying Christ Jesus.

The 7th Day, which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God is 1/10th of the Moral Law of God.

The Sabbath [the 7th day] was made for the blessing of all mankind, since it was made for "adam" the first man and all men from him.

Upon that 7th Day in Jerusalem, when Christ was dead, and in the tomb, the typological sabbath and the 7th Day Sabbath met together, and the 7th day Sabbath was given yet another dimension in memorial, not only is it the memorial of the "very good" Creation of God, it also now and forever signifies the Redemption of mankind.  Those who rest in Christ Jesus, in his finished work at the cross, will continue to keep the 4th Commandment, the 7th day, which is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.  The typological added seasonal sabbaths ceased and the 7th Day Sabbath obtained more glory and shines ever brighter than before.

Christ Jesus in John 14:15 quoted directly from Exodus 20:6.  "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

Praise ye the Lord, Manna for that truth.

[Hobie]

Now here is Peter telling how the earth will be cleansed by fire and the  new earth, read it and tell me what 'they' believe on this as it is very clear...

2 Peter 3
The Day of the Lord
1 Dear friends, this is now my second letter to you. I have written both of them as reminders to stimulate you to wholesome thinking. 2 I want you to recall the words spoken in the past by the holy prophets and the command given by our Lord and Savior through your apostles.
3 Above all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. 4 They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.

[Palmtree77]

Thank you brother for your PM. 

I am a personal witness to the Fire of God.

I also am a witness as of this Day that he has just filled me with his Holy Spirit.

He did what he said he's do, Praise the Name of Jesus!!!!

[Hobie]

So now as we begin to understand who Jesus is, as the Creator, as Lord of the Sabbath, when as the great I AM, He says  that the Sabbath is the "sign

[fish153]

Christ is no Angel, he IS Jehovah

That's funny you should say this because you correctly said in a previous post today that it was Christ who appeared in the burning bush. Exodus 3 says that it was the ANGEL of Jehovah who appeared in the burning bush. Trinitarians unviversally agree that the Angel of Jehovah who appeared in the burning bush was Christ. In Zechariah 1:12 the Angel of Jehovah is distinguished from Jehovah. He spoke to Jehovah:

"So the Angel of Jehovah answered and said, 'O Jehovah of armies, how long will You Yourself not show mercy to Jerusalem?' "

Two points:

1. The word "Angel" simply means "Messenger." Christ is the Messenger of Jehovah.

2. The Angel (Messenger) advocated for Jerusalem.

There is no advocate between God and men but Christ. Therefore, the Angel (Messenger) was Christ and is distinguished from Jehovah as the advocate between Jehovah and the people.

Again, there is no exegetical basis whatsoever in Zechariah 14 for the Futurist's claim that Christ would physically come to the Mt. of Olives because He is clearly distinguished from Jehovah in 13:7. It is Jehovah who was to come to the Mt. of Olives.

The fault line that runs through the Mt. of Olives is PROOF that the prophecy has been fulfilled. Therefore, you cannot prove that the sabbath is still to be observed or will be observed again in the future.

thinker

Thinker ----

Hope I'm not misunderstanding you.  But if you are stating that Jesus is an Angel(or a created being) and not God, please read these verses once more:

"I am the Alpha and the Omega,

[Wednesday]

So what day is the correct day?  Can someone help me?  I'm confused........

[HypakoeDoulos]

"Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? ..." (John 18:38;p)

Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth. Psalms 119:142

Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth. Psalms 119:151

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

All the paths of the LORD [are] mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies. Psalms 25:10

[He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. Deuteronomy 32:4



The 7th Day - The Sabbath Of The LORD GOD

Sabbath COMMANDMENT (Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 5:5, 16:22-26, 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15; Matthew 12:1-12, 15:20, 24:20; Mark 1:21, 2:27-28, 6:2, 7:6-9, 16:1; Luke 4:16,31, 6:5-6, 13:10,15-16, 14:1, 23:56; John 5:9, 9:14; Acts 13:14-16,42-44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-11, Revelation 1:10, 14:7, etc)

...is Linked To Creation (Genesis 2:3; Exodus 20:8-11),

...Redemption (Deuteronomy 5:12-15),

...Salvation (Isaiah 49:8-13, 56:1, 61:1-2),

...the Here-After (Isaiah 66:23),

...the Covenant (Isaiah 56:4-8),

...the LAW (Jeremiah 31:33),

...which is a "sign" (Exodus 31:17; Ezekiel 20:20),

...to the "People of GOD" (Hebrews 4:9; Revelation 14:13),

...who are to "continue in the grace of GOD" [Acts 13:43],

...wherein the LAW of GOD is "Seal"[ed] (Exodus 13:9,16; Deuteronomy 6:8, 11:18; Psalms 119:109,111-112; Ezekiel 9:4; Isaiah 8:16; James 4:8; Revelation 9:4, 14:1),

...and to JESUS who is GOD (Exodus 33:14; Matthew 11:28; Hebrews 4:10),

...for HE "Created" it, "Blessed" and "Sanctified" (being set aside at Creation for Holy use) it before there was sin of mankind in the world (Genesis 2:1-3; John 1:1-3),

...being "MADE", for all of "Man"[kind] as a blessing (Exodus 20:10, 23:12; Ecclesiastes 12:13; Mark 2:27),

...in which HE was "refreshed" (Exodus 31:17),

...and it is HIS "HOLY DAY" (Isaiah 58:13),

...whom HE is "LORD" of (Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; Revelation 1:10),

...and to whom even the Gentiles would seek to join themselves (Isaiah 56:6; Acts 13:42,44, 15:21),

...and in "KEEP"[ing] THE 7th Day we honor [5th Commandment] HIM (Isaiah 58:13), who is Our Creator who "SO" very much loves us (John 3:16).

...The Law of GOD and the 4th Commandment being the Holy 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD, which points backwards to that time and place of "very good" before the sin of mankind, is not a bondage, but joy and delight (Exodus 20:2; Isaiah 58:13),

...which JESUS lived (John 5:17),

...preached/taught (Matthew 12:11; Mark 1:21, 6:2),

...sanctified (Luke 4:16),

...defended (Matthew 12:3-8; Mark 2:25-28; Luke 13:16, 14:3-5),

...and commanded HIS Rest (Matthew 12:12) to those who would follow after HIM, also healing those who were slaves of sin and suffering upon HIS Rest (John 5:9, 7:23, 9:14).

...Even in death, HE would break no Commandment, remained 'Resting' upon HIS Holy Day (Matthew 27:60,62; Luke 23:54) in the tomb, forever the memorial of Creation and Redemption!

...The Disciples (Luke 6:40), knowing the importance of the LAW [Ten Commandments] and Sabbath to JESUS, whom they loved (John 14:15), obeyed and kept HIS Rest even after HE died (Luke 23:56).

...JESUS gave a strict warning of which we must seriously consider (Matthew 5:19), for which HE also magnified (Matthew 12:12).

...JESUS is the True Israel:

When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. [Hosea 11:1]

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. [Matthew 2:15]

Anyone "in CHRIST JESUS" [Romans 3:24, 8:1-2,39; 1 Corinthians 1:2,30, 4:15; Galatians 3:26,28, 6:15; Ephesians 2:6,13, 3:11; 1 Thessalonians 2:14; 2 Timothy 1:1, etc] is Spiritual Israel

["For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen..." 2 Corinthians 1:20;p]:

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

...The Sabbath is for us [Christians] to keep holy (Exodus 20:8),

...for a Christian (Matthew 16:24; John 8:11),

...is not of the flesh which cannot receive the spirit (Matthew 21:19, 23:38; Acts 13:46),

...but is of the spirit (Romans 2:28-29, 9:6-8; Galatians 4:29),

...and bringing forth the fruits thereof (Matthew 21:43; 1 Corinthians 7:19),

...obeying HIM in HIS Commandments (Acts 5:32; Hebrews 5:9) and,

...is indeed a child of faith and a seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:7, 29),

...cut and grafted into the True Vine (Romans 11:17-24,30-32),

...of the spiritual circumcision made without hands keeping the Commandments (1 Corinthians 7:19; Colossians 2:11),

...a Spiritual Jew or Israel (Romans 2:29),

...and the Everlasting Covenant made only with them (Jeremiah 31:31,33; Ezekiel 36:27; Hebrews 8:8,10, 10:16) in Him.

...Christians are to KEEP the TEN COMMANDMENTS (which includes the 4th Commandment (Matthew 12:12), being the HOLY 7th Day of the LORD GOD): (Matthew 5:19,48, 19:17; John 14:15, 15:10,14; 1 John 2:3-4, 3:22, 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, etc),

...for the Three Angels of Revelation give us the important message for these last days, of which one message is and contains the Seal of God as found in that Holy 4th Commandment:

[For texts on Seal; see Esther 8:8; Isaiah 8:16; Daniel 6:17; John 3:33, 6:27; Romans 4:11; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13, 4:30; 2 Timothy 2:19; Revelation 7:2-8, 9:4; examples of a Seal [Name/Title/Territory]: Nebuchadnezzar King Of Babylon; Cyrus King Of Persia, etc]

"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Revelation 14:7)

"Fear GOD": [Ecclesiastes 12:13; Psalms 111:10]

"give glory to HIM": [Psalms 29:2; 1 Chronicles 16:29; Jeremiah 13:16; Joshua 7:19; Luke 17:18; Acts 12:23; Romans 4:20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Philippians 1:11, 2:11; Revelation 15:4, 16:9]

"the hour of HIS Judgment is come": [Daniel means "GOD is my Judge", Day of Atonement is the time of judgment, Laodicea means a "judging of the people", "judgment shall begin at the house of GOD...")  According to Leviticus 16 and 23, Daniel, Gospels, Hebrews and Revelation (etc), we are currently in the last days, in the anti-typical day of atonement, in the time of judgment, when CHRIST JESUS our HIGHPRIEST is now in the Heavenly Sanctuary and is in the MOST HOLY PLACE...]

[SEAL OF GOD contains, Name, Title, Territory, and is set in the Holy Law, in the only Commandment with the word "Holy" in it...the 4th Commandment]

"worship" [Exodus 34:14; Psalms 22:7, 29:2, 66:4, 86:9, 95:6; Isaiah 66:23; John 4:23-24; Acts 24:14; Philippians 3:3; Revelation 14:7, 15:4, 19:10, 22:9]

"HIM" [Exodus 6:3, 20:11; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4] [Name: YHVH/YHWH]

"that made": [Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:8-11; John 1:1-3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 3:9; ] [Title: MAKER/CREATOR]

"Heaven, and Earth, and the Sea": [Exodus 20:11] [Territory/Authority/Kingdom: ALL THINGS]

"and the Fountains of Waters": [Genesis 6] [Judge who executes Judgement]

[Hobie]

"Pilate saith unto him, What is truth? ..." (John 18:38;p)

Thy righteousness [is] an everlasting righteousness, and thy law [is] the truth. Psalms 119:142

Thou [art] near, O LORD; and all thy commandments [are] truth. Psalms 119:151

Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth. John 17:17

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:6

This is he that came by water and blood, [even] Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. 1 John 5:6

All the paths of the LORD [are] mercy and truth unto such as keep his covenant and his testimonies. Psalms 25:10

[He is] the Rock, his work [is] perfect: for all his ways [are] judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right [is] he. Deuteronomy 32:4



The 7th Day - The Sabbath Of The LORD GOD

Sabbath COMMANDMENT (Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 5:5, 16:22-26, 20:8-11; Deuteronomy 5:12-15; Matthew 12:1-12, 15:20, 24:20; Mark 1:21, 2:27-28, 6:2, 7:6-9, 16:1; Luke 4:16,31, 6:5-6, 13:10,15-16, 14:1, 23:56; John 5:9, 9:14; Acts 13:14-16,42-44, 15:21, 16:13, 17:2, 18:4; Hebrews 4:4-11, Revelation 1:10, 14:7, etc)

...is Linked To Creation (Genesis 2:3; Exodus 20:8-11),

...Redemption (Deuteronomy 5:12-15),

...Salvation (Isaiah 49:8-13, 56:1, 61:1-2),

...the Here-After (Isaiah 66:23),

...the Covenant (Isaiah 56:4-8),

...the LAW (Jeremiah 31:33),

...which is a "sign" (Exodus 31:17; Ezekiel 20:20),

...to the "People of GOD" (Hebrews 4:9; Revelation 14:13),

...who are to "continue in the grace of GOD" [Acts 13:43],

...wherein the LAW of GOD is "Seal"[ed] (Exodus 13:9,16; Deuteronomy 6:8, 11:18; Psalms 119:109,111-112; Ezekiel 9:4; Isaiah 8:16; James 4:8; Revelation 9:4, 14:1),

...and to JESUS who is GOD (Exodus 33:14; Matthew 11:28; Hebrews 4:10),

...for HE "Created" it, "Blessed" and "Sanctified" (being set aside at Creation for Holy use) it before there was sin of mankind in the world (Genesis 2:1-3; John 1:1-3),

...being "MADE", for all of "Man"[kind] as a blessing (Exodus 20:10, 23:12; Ecclesiastes 12:13; Mark 2:27),

...in which HE was "refreshed" (Exodus 31:17),

...and it is HIS "HOLY DAY" (Isaiah 58:13),

...whom HE is "LORD" of (Mark 2:28; Luke 6:5; Revelation 1:10),

...and to whom even the Gentiles would seek to join themselves (Isaiah 56:6; Acts 13:42,44, 15:21),

...and in "KEEP"[ing] THE 7th Day we honor [5th Commandment] HIM (Isaiah 58:13), who is Our Creator who "SO" very much loves us (John 3:16).

...The Law of GOD and the 4th Commandment being the Holy 7th Day Sabbath of the LORD GOD, which points backwards to that time and place of "very good" before the sin of mankind, is not a bondage, but joy and delight (Exodus 20:2; Isaiah 58:13),

...which JESUS lived (John 5:17),

...preached/taught (Matthew 12:11; Mark 1:21, 6:2),

...sanctified (Luke 4:16),

...defended (Matthew 12:3-8; Mark 2:25-28; Luke 13:16, 14:3-5),

...and commanded HIS Rest (Matthew 12:12) to those who would follow after HIM, also healing those who were slaves of sin and suffering upon HIS Rest (John 5:9, 7:23, 9:14).

...Even in death, HE would break no Commandment, remained 'Resting' upon HIS Holy Day (Matthew 27:60,62; Luke 23:54) in the tomb, forever the memorial of Creation and Redemption!

...The Disciples (Luke 6:40), knowing the importance of the LAW [Ten Commandments] and Sabbath to JESUS, whom they loved (John 14:15), obeyed and kept HIS Rest even after HE died (Luke 23:56).

...JESUS gave a strict warning of which we must seriously consider (Matthew 5:19), for which HE also magnified (Matthew 12:12).

...JESUS is the True Israel:

When Israel [was] a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt. [Hosea 11:1]

And was there until the death of Herod: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying, Out of Egypt have I called my son. [Matthew 2:15]

Anyone "in CHRIST JESUS" [Romans 3:24, 8:1-2,39; 1 Corinthians 1:2,30, 4:15; Galatians 3:26,28, 6:15; Ephesians 2:6,13, 3:11; 1 Thessalonians 2:14; 2 Timothy 1:1, etc] is Spiritual Israel

["For all the promises of God in him [are] yea, and in him Amen..." 2 Corinthians 1:20;p]:

Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved. Acts 4:12

...The Sabbath is for us [Christians] to keep holy (Exodus 20:8),

...for a Christian (Matthew 16:24; John 8:11),

...is not of the flesh which cannot receive the spirit (Matthew 21:19, 23:38; Acts 13:46),

...but is of the spirit (Romans 2:28-29, 9:6-8; Galatians 4:29),

...and bringing forth the fruits thereof (Matthew 21:43; 1 Corinthians 7:19),

...obeying HIM in HIS Commandments (Acts 5:32; Hebrews 5:9) and,

...is indeed a child of faith and a seed of Abraham (Galatians 3:7, 29),

...cut and grafted into the True Vine (Romans 11:17-24,30-32),

...of the spiritual circumcision made without hands keeping the Commandments (1 Corinthians 7:19; Colossians 2:11),

...a Spiritual Jew or Israel (Romans 2:29),

...and the Everlasting Covenant made only with them (Jeremiah 31:31,33; Ezekiel 36:27; Hebrews 8:8,10, 10:16) in Him.

...Christians are to KEEP the TEN COMMANDMENTS (which includes the 4th Commandment (Matthew 12:12), being the HOLY 7th Day of the LORD GOD): (Matthew 5:19,48, 19:17; John 14:15, 15:10,14; 1 John 2:3-4, 3:22, 5:2-3; Revelation 12:17, 14:12, 22:14, etc),

...for the Three Angels of Revelation give us the important message for these last days, of which one message is and contains the Seal of God as found in that Holy 4th Commandment:

[For texts on Seal; see Esther 8:8; Isaiah 8:16; Daniel 6:17; John 3:33, 6:27; Romans 4:11; 2 Corinthians 1:22; Ephesians 1:13, 4:30; 2 Timothy 2:19; Revelation 7:2-8, 9:4; examples of a Seal [Name/Title/Territory]: Nebuchadnezzar King Of Babylon; Cyrus King Of Persia, etc]

"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters." (Revelation 14:7)

"Fear GOD": [Ecclesiastes 12:13; Psalms 111:10]

"give glory to HIM": [Psalms 29:2; 1 Chronicles 16:29; Jeremiah 13:16; Joshua 7:19; Luke 17:18; Acts 12:23; Romans 4:20; 1 Corinthians 10:31; Philippians 1:11, 2:11; Revelation 15:4, 16:9]

"the hour of HIS Judgment is come": [Daniel means "GOD is my Judge", Day of Atonement is the time of judgment, Laodicea means a "judging of the people", "judgment shall begin at the house of GOD...")  According to Leviticus 16 and 23, Daniel, Gospels, Hebrews and Revelation (etc), we are currently in the last days, in the anti-typical day of atonement, in the time of judgment, when CHRIST JESUS our HIGHPRIEST is now in the Heavenly Sanctuary and is in the MOST HOLY PLACE...]

[SEAL OF GOD contains, Name, Title, Territory, and is set in the Holy Law, in the only Commandment with the word "Holy" in it...the 4th Commandment]

"worship" [Exodus 34:14; Psalms 22:7, 29:2, 66:4, 86:9, 95:6; Isaiah 66:23; John 4:23-24; Acts 24:14; Philippians 3:3; Revelation 14:7, 15:4, 19:10, 22:9]

"HIM" [Exodus 6:3, 20:11; Psalms 83:18; Isaiah 12:2, 26:4] [Name: YHVH/YHWH]

"that made": [Genesis 2:2-3; Exodus 20:8-11; John 1:1-3; 1 Corinthians 8:6; Ephesians 3:9; ] [Title: MAKER/CREATOR]

"Heaven, and Earth, and the Sea": [Exodus 20:11] [Territory/Authority/Kingdom: ALL THINGS]

"and the Fountains of Waters": [Genesis 6] [Judge who executes Judgement]

I've never seen it laid out like that, excellent post. True worship and love for the Creator can only be expressed through the first four commandments which Christ expressed as loving God. Even a pagan or agnostic can keep from stealing, be faithful to their wife, not murder and so on but it's only those who believe in the great I AM and love Him  that will keep the first four commandments.

[thethinker]

On break for the holiday weekend. I will be back.

[Consumingfire]

You two agreeing only serves to reconfirm the rightness of what the rest of us understand the bible to be saying

No doubt, that agreement is based upon the fact that there is no scriptural support for doing away with the seventh day Sabbath.  However, I believe the day should still be kept according to the commandment, as Christians should gladly submit to the authority of God's commands.  LH on the other hand, correct me if I am wrong LH, believes his Church had and has the power to transfer the significance of the seventh day, to the first day.  So while we agree concerning no scriptural authority for the change, we draw very different conclusions as a result.

The problem is, when you look at why the day was changed, it is hard to believe that an extremely corrupt Rome would have the authority to change it.  Constantine changed it to Sunday to accommodate the Pagan believers that he was trying to attract. 

Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God

Now you have highlighted the importance of understanding Jewish aspects within the Bible.  Everyone you quoted was using the Jewish calendar.  The first day of the week begins on Saturday at sundown. 

On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.[/color]Acts 20:7

This is what would not be Saturday night...  Sharing the Lord's Supper took place following Havdalah.  It is impossible to for this to have taken place on what we believe now as Sunday, because midnight would not strike at the conclusion of Sunday, that would be Monday. 

Your other examples do not specify which of today's dates these events would be done on.  It was common practice to collect tithes after the conclusion of Shabbat.  This would take place on present day Saturday. 

[Todd Grace]

I'm a Christian who loves going to his Messianic Temple but the Sabbath keepers have it right. You have to put the blinders on not to see what the Word says on the subject.
Once I got rid of that sacred Sunday cow my eyes were opened. Great scriptural truth.

[HypakoeDoulos]

I've never seen it laid out like that, excellent post. True worship and love for the Creator can only be expressed through the first four commandments which Christ expressed as loving God. Even a pagan or agnostic can keep from stealing, be faithful to their wife, not murder and so on but it's only those who believe in the great I AM and love Him  that will keep the first four commandments.

Indeed, and that True Love of God can only come by faith through the preaching of the Everlasting Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Let, us be careful to always know that we may never be justified by our own works or even by any law.

For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: Ephesians 2:8

Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:9

Though let us also continue to the very next verse that many do not follow with:

For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them. Ephesians 2:10

Saved by grace through faith, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us and so God [the Father] commendeth His love towards us, for He so loved us that He gave His Son forever to us - He [Jesus, God the Son] is forever in the form of mankind.  Because we behold that love, not that we loved Him, and were estranged and separated from Him, but because He first loved us and gave of Himself to us, we become changed by beholding this love, and He gives unto us gifts of repentance unto life eternal, so that we may be at-one-ment with Him, obeying God from the heart, the new creature, again in His image and our hearts cry out after God, "abba - father!".

No man who is a rebel, a sinner, a transgressor once so in the sight of the Law, and for all have sinned, and there is none righteous, no not one, can ever by their own works or righteousness then save themselves by their own right hand and doing.  A prisoner on death row doomed to die, can keep every law from that point forward and it can do nothing to save them from the penalty of having even once transgressed.  We cannot ever repay the debt owed, for the wages for sin are the second death. The only way to satisfy the demands of justice is to pay in full, but thanks be to God through our Lord ans Saviour Jesus Christ!

And no man, once saved by the grace of God through faith in Christ Jesus, who loves God or their brother and neighbour, will seek to continue in rebellion and continue in their sins and transgression against the Holy, Just and Good Law of God, for Christ Jesus came to save us from our sins and not in them, and He grants us strength to overcome temptation, even as He also overcame temptation.  For if we love God, we will keep His Commandments, not to be saved [for such is impossible], but because He has saved, is saving and will save to the uttermost those who come unto Him and accept the grace freely offered to the whole world - whosoever will let him take of the water of life freely.  And if [not when, for it is evident that we can choose not to sin, for Christ Jesus giveth to us a way out of every temptation] we sin, we have the advocate, and mediator, and High Priest, Christ Jesus the righteous in the heavenly sanctuary, who even now is in the Most Holy Place before the Ark and is cleansing his people - soon to come out without sin unto salvation, with every angel in Heaven to come back and claim His people.

Many will say, "Lord, Lord..."  and yet "do not the things which [he] says".  "If ye love me, keep my commandments."

To the woman caught in the act of adultery, Grace and Loving obedience are found together,

"neither do I condmen thee"  [grace]

"go and sin no more" [if ye love me...obey, keep the comamndments, and the Holy Spirit is given to all them that obey Him, who would lead us into all Truth [see Truth]]

The Ten Commandments reveal the same:

"I...Lord...brought thee out of...bondage..." [saved by Grace through faith in the blood of the lamb]
"...love me and keep my commandments..." [obey, as dear children]

Christ Jesus truly is our rest and as one person I know has called it "trest" [trust and rest] in the Lord, and as we do truly rest in the work and righteousness of Christ Jesus, we have laid down our own filthy rags, to take up the gift of His perfect righteousness, as Joshua was so clothed.  We rest in what He says and commands, no longer seeking rebellion or our own righteousness apart from God's, as Satan [once Lucifer, the covering cherub] has sought to do from the beginning.  The 7th Day Sabbath becomes ever so much more, for to obey Him in it from the heart, is then to rest in His work with Him and in what He asks, and we are at-one-ment with Him, even as it was from the beginning [Hebrews 3-4], and is to acknoweldge Him as our Creator, Redeemer [yea, our Kins-man redeemer, He who purchased us with His own blood] and Re-creator.

Those who deny the 7th Day Sabbath of the Lord thy God, do not realize that they are dismissing their Lord and God who is their Creator, their Redeemer [and purchaser] and Recreator.  For who then can Re-Create them, if not the very one who in the Beginning Created?  Who then is their Saviour, for there is no Saviour but He?  Who then is their Lord, if they do not acknowledge the Law of the Lord?  Know ye not that you were bought with a price, and ye are not your own?  No man can serve two masters - and are slaves to the one whom ye obey?  whether sin [transgression of the law] unto [the second] death, or obedience unto righteosness?

Let the Law [for by it is the knowledge of sin] lead us to Christ and let Christ point to His perfect Commandments to follow.

As one who is set free from the penalty of death, and even whats more adopted as true Sons and Daughters of God, heirs in and with Him, let us not use our liberty to transgress in spite of the grace of God, and let us not use that liberty to then try to repay what cannot be repaid [for it is an insult to think a gift from God may be purchased at any cost/price], and let us not sin [transgress the Law] the more so that [as it is said that] grace may abound - for the Spirit will not always strive with men, but let us accept the gift of salvation through Christ Jesus our Lord with hearts of ever thanks-giving and love and walk soberly as in the day, redeeming the time, keeping His commandments - for this is the Love of God and neighbour.

[Hobie]

I'm a Christian who loves going to his Messianic Temple but the Sabbath keepers have it right. You have to put the blinders on not to see what the Word says on the subject.
Once I got rid of that sacred Sunday cow my eyes were opened. Great scriptural truth.

Amen my brother, many will open their eyes and see the truth as the Holy Spirit is poured out in the end and guides them. We are getting close...

[Hobie]

No doubt, that agreement is based upon the fact that there is no scriptural support for doing away with the seventh day Sabbath.  However, I believe the day should still be kept according to the commandment, as Christians should gladly submit to the authority of God's commands.  LH on the other hand, correct me if I am wrong LH, believes his Church had and has the power to transfer the significance of the seventh day, to the first day.  So while we agree concerning no scriptural authority for the change, we draw very different conclusions as a result.
The problem is, when you look at why the day was changed, it is hard to believe that an extremely corrupt Rome would have the authority to change it.  Constantine changed it to Sunday to accommodate the Pagan believers that he was trying to attract. 



Oh beg my pardon and please forgive me for I have always thought Sunday worship had something to do with the believers meeting on the 1st day of the week because Christ rose on the 1st day of the week...silly me


On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.Acts 20:7

On the first day of every week, each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with his income, saving it up, so that when I come no collections will have to be made. 1 Corinthians 16:2

On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them and said, "Peace be with you!" John 20:19


Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons.
Mark 16:9

Aside from that none of you can seem to deal with the FACT that God called the Sabbath a sign

Exodus 3112Then the Lord said to Moses, 13"Say to the Israelites, 'You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy
For if you could really deal with that, you'd have to face the Truth that Jesus is the fulfillment of that sign

The Lord Who Makes Us Holy

The children of Israel to whom the sign was given in the wilderness didn't understand it and understandably so...

But a New Creation believer not understanding that Jesus is the Fulfillment of the SIGN of the Sabbath is very sad indeed and there is no wonder Jesus continues to tarry knowing that we've got so far to go...just to get past the basics of of exactly WHOM Jesus is !

He is Indeed, In fact and In Truth The Sabbath


But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people belonging to God, that you may declare the praises of him who called you out of darkness into his wonderful light. 1 Peter 2:9

There are no days or weeks in heaven or in eternity, Maybe you should prepare yourselves for the shock of that now

For everyday in the Presence of the Lord is a Sabbath day of rest..THIS IS THE DAY, that the Lord has made!

The only Sabbath rest that matters to God is the Sabbath rest He provided for us in Jesus

Some of you do not seem to understand that God made the Old Covenant with Israel specifically for the purpose of showing them and teaching them that apart from Him they could do nothing and apart from Him they could not make themselves acceptable to Him

JESUS, GOD THE SON.... IS THE LORD WHO MAKES US HOLY!

Hence He sis the FULFILLMENT OF THE SIGN OF THE COVENANT!

Jesus is The Truth of everything God said and did in the Old Testament!

Its a shame that some of you think God gave the old covenant to them to make them acceptable and Holy

Truly understanding that is not the case is a basic fundamental part of being a New Testament Believer

It is in fact New Testament 101

Yet some of you will continue to miss the point, celebrating Passover, Jubilee etc etc and all of those events and feasts given as signs not realizing all of it was about Jesus who is in fact the substance of every sign, symbol, type and shadow given by God


Now you have highlighted the importance of understanding Jewish aspects within the Bible.  Everyone you quoted was using the Jewish calendar.  The first day of the week begins on Saturday at sundown. 

On the first day of the week, we gathered with the local believers to share in the Lord's Supper. Paul was preaching to them, and since he was leaving the next day, he kept talking until midnight.[/color]Acts 20:7

This is what would not be Saturday night...  Sharing the Lord's Supper took place following Havdalah.  It is impossible to for this to have taken place on what we believe now as Sunday, because midnight would not strike at the conclusion of Sunday, that would be Monday. 

Your other examples do not specify which of today's dates these events would be done on.  It was common practice to collect tithes after the conclusion of Shabbat.  This would take place on present day Saturday. 

Yes, it was a Saturday service that went into the night and past midnight, so accordingly to how they kept times and days, it is called the start of the next day...