Moved: Jehovah Witnnesses please identify yourselves

[gospel]

I know by The Spirit of God there are some amongst us presenting
their theology without so stating

The question is are you willing to identify yourselves?

[gospel]

At least be honest!

[Johnb]

I doubt JW's are here.  The free debate does not fit well with their doctrine.

[thethinker]

I doubt JW's are here.  The free debate does not fit well with their doctrine.

You are correct. The JW's discourage their people to associate with or debate "apostates" because they might be corrupted. Shane is not a JW because JW's affirm that Christ was sinless.

thinker

[fish153]

Someone mentioned earlier that some here were stating Christadelphian
beliefs.  I think that may be the case rather than JW's.  As stated, JW's
usually do not enter into debate with others for fear their faith will be
corrupted and they will become "apostates".  But I would agree gospel,
some of the theology being stated comes close to some of their beliefs.

But check this out concerning the christadelphians:

http://carm.org/what-do-christadelphians-teach

[candy]

Thank you for that link Fish.  I had no idea who they were or what they believed in.  IMO they have some pretty mixed up views. 
Candy

[gospel]

Thank you for that link Fish.  I had no idea who they were or what they believed in.  IMO they have some pretty mixed up views. 
Candy

Yes thanks Fish I ran across that doctrine as of late myself and realized there were others like JWs in the midst though having a different slant

Candy coming from you "mixed up"  is a pretty strong comment

but I believe you are correct

[jojo50]

Thank you for that link Fish.  I had no idea who they were or what they believed in.  IMO they have some pretty mixed up views. 
Candy

Yes thanks Fish I ran across that doctrine as of late myself and realized there were others like JWs in the midst though having a different slant

Candy coming from you "mixed up"  is a pretty strong comment

but I believe you are correct

we're not "mixed up" the teachings are from God, not us. we say we believe Jesus, he said he come to do the will of his Father, (John 5:30 -I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me). yet the same one's who speak of us negetively. calls Jesus a liar, basically saying ...Jesus you're wrong,you ARE the Father! but we're the one's who's so mixed up? we post scriptures to prove we're teaching right. and we tell's one to google the truth. many would rather pick, than to do research. satan really does blind the minds...." peace[/color]

[Bonnie]

The JW's I've met are nice decent people with a lot of wrong beliefs.  My neighbor is a JW.  They are taught that Jesus came back in 1926, I think, and lives in New York.  I asked her what He is doing there and said, why watching over us of course.  I asked her to show me where I can find that in the bible.  She is still looking for it I  guess.  

[thethinker]

Someone mentioned earlier that some here were stating Christadelphian
beliefs.  I think that may be the case rather than JW's.  As stated, JW's
usually do not enter into debate with others for fear their faith will be
corrupted and they will become "apostates".  But I would agree gospel,
some of the theology being stated comes close to some of their beliefs.

But check this out concerning the christadelphians:

http://carm.org/what-do-christadelphians-teach

See my exchange last year with Christadelphians at CARM pages 4-5 of that thread. My user name at CARM is "Kangaroo Jack."

http://forums.carm.org/vbb/showthread.php?2902-Christadelphians-believe-that-Jesus-is-God/page4

thinker

[JohnDB70X7]

The big bugaboo in Watchtower theology is that Jesus is not God.

John 1:1-3 (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14 (KJV)
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Now they will claim that the Word (in John 1:1) was "a" god because of a missing article (ho in Greek essentially "the").

BUT...

This is simply the noun kai (and) noun phrase in Greek grammar where the second article (ho) is not used when it is not needed or redundant.

the word was with the god and god was the word

noun kai noun

Another favorite verse of the JWs is:

John 20:17 (KJV)
17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

But in the Greek it trips up their missing article theory in John 1:1...

i go to the father mine and father yours to the god mine and god yours

noun kai noun where the second article is not used thus (according to Watchtower theology) means even Jehovah is not God.

Now those rascals will still try to argue subjunctive this and predicate nominative that but it's all awash by the fact that the same rule used to interpret John1:1 must also be used to interpret John 20:17... and if the JW and the Christadelphian (who the JW's got this bad theology from) are correct then Jehovah and Jesus are not God (the God).

What they usually do is x my address off their list of homes to visit and never come back...

When you do what Jesus did with the Pharisees and Sadducees.... give them questions they can't answer and answers they can't question then they must fact the truth or run from it. And usually they run.

[winsome]

The big bugaboo in Watchtower theology is that Jesus is not God.

They believe he was the archangel Michael.

Oh, and that he took up the throne of David in 1914.

[JohnDB70X7]

Oh yes and that he returned invisibly (when all their second coming prophecies failed).

Matthew 24:26-27 (KJV)
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 1:7 (KJV)
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

These two verses delivered my half-brother from the Kingdom Hall. His father (my mother's ex) is still in the WTBTS as far as I know since his is more an emotional tie... he was about to commit suicide with a gun when two witnesses knocked on his door. Thankfully they were there to prevent his demise. But sadly they bonded him to the WTBTS for life. I can only pray he is delivered from them before he dies (now 80).

[KiwiChristian]

I doubt JW's are here.  The free debate does not fit well with their doctrine.

True.

1983 "Avoid independent thinking...questioning the counsel that is provided by God's visible organization." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 22)

1983 "Fight against independent thinking." (Watchtower, Jan. 15, 1983 pg. 27 )