No Longer A Christian Forum or what?

[gospel]

Spiritual doors have been opened that are causing this once illustrious forum to descend from being a Christian forum....

into a forum where The Faith of Our Lord Christ Jesus is being compromised at every turn

His Deity, His Sinless Perfection, The Purity of His Blood, His Pre-Existence and all manner of His Character have been castigated in one way or another

Rather than discussing the meaning of what He stated we are expending most of our posts just  debating and defending Him!


This forum is more and more simply allowing the Gospel to be shredded and reassembled into a New Age, Humanistic politically correct version of Christian Doctrine

Quite sad

When there is no difference in beliefs between a Christian and a JW or a Christian and a Muslim

You can delete this if you like, I just had to state it and get it off my chest

Now that its been said

My hands are clean

I can only pray

[P.F.]

Instead of speaking in vague generalities, please provide specifics.

[JohnDB]

YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

[gospel]

YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

[p.rehbein]

Spiritual doors have been opened that are causing this once illustrious forum to descend from being a Christian forum....

into a forum where The Faith of Our Lord Christ Jesus is being compromised at every turn

His Deity, His Sinless Perfection, The Purity of His Blood, His Pre-Existence and all manner of His Character have been castigated in one way or another

Rather than discussing the meaning of what He stated we are expending most of our posts just  debating and defending Him!


This forum is more and more simply allowing the Gospel to be shredded and reassembled into a New Age, Humanistic politically correct version of Christian Doctrine

Quite sad

When there is no difference in beliefs between a Christian and a JW or a Christian and a Muslim

You can delete this if you like, I just had to state it and get it off my chest

Now that its been said

My hands are clean

I can only pray

I have no idea to what you are referring...........possibly some thread on the theology forum?  The comments there?  Personally, I find your conclusions groundless.  I find ample statements pretty much every day that support the Gospel of Jesus Christ and that alone seperates us from the Muslim beliefs.  Given the numerous theological beliefs represented here, there will always be some difference of opinion.  Where has the faith of Jesus been compromised?  How?  This is a very general statement/charge you have made and I would like to know the reason(s) behind them?

[p.rehbein]

YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

I can understand this point, however we have many members and not all of them are Christians.  Are we to turn away those who do not believe or understand the Deity of Christ and/or the Trinity?  Should we not talk with them and teach them?  It may not change their minds, but there are hundreds of people who visis us every day and what if our talks about this serve to lead them to Christ?

[gospel]

Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?


Lets leave it there


I retract my statement

For if those are not problems for you....

they are certainly not mine

[gospel]

YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

I can understand this point, however we have many members and not all of them are Christians.  Are we to turn away those who do not believe or understand the Deity of Christ and/or the Trinity?  Should we not talk with them and teach them?  It may not change their minds, but there are hundreds of people who visis us every day and what if our talks about this serve to lead them to Christ?

In the past I have seen them be identified by moderators and them and their diatribes of their doctrine were directed to the proper pages of the forum

As to not confuse their doctrine with mainstream Christian doctrine

That's what I have seen

Lately however some people have been banned for not speaking nicely or in a politically correct manner

However a JW or a Muslim can come and say anything they want in the theology forum be identified as not Christian doctrine and still allowed to continue

Confusion I say, nothing but confusion especially for the newbies


But then again their is no Creed to agree to when joining the forum so people take advantage of it and pretend to be Christian then go on to say whatever they want

If it's no problem for you

then its no problem for me

[p.rehbein]

Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?


Lets leave it there


I retract my statement

For if those are not problems for you....

they are certainly not mine

I didn't say it wasn't a problem for me, that's why we are charged to be defenders of the Faith.  We can either take such an opportunity to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or we can simply ignore such comments.  In my opinion, these types of comments are not nearly the majority here at Grace Centered.  Rather, they are the minority.  The rules set forth by Admin are our guidelines and we try to enforce them as best we can.

[gospel]

Ok

Hypothetically if you have someone who  professes to be Christian consistently stating that Jesus is a created being like you and I

and You don't think that's a problem?

or

If you have someone who professes to be a Christian that consistently professes disbelief in The Trinity

You don't think that's a problem?


Lets leave it there


I retract my statement

For if those are not problems for you....

they are certainly not mine

I didn't say it wasn't a problem for me, that's why we are charged to be defenders of the Faith.  We can either take such an opportunity to reveal the Gospel of Jesus Christ, or we can simply ignore such comments.  In my opinion, these types of comments are not nearly the majority here at Grace Centered.  Rather, they are the minority.  The rules set forth by Admin are our guidelines and we try to enforce them as best we can.

Au contrare mon ami

We have posters dominating the theology board consistently debasing the Trinity and the Deity of Christ Jesus

Hence my frustration and reason for posting

I'd prefer to debate and disagree about Christian doctrine

Not defend the basic foundation and major planks of it

That's just me...others may disagree

Its up to you folks if you want the forum can be a place where we debate JW theology, Universalism and the merits of Islam

I always thought it was for Christian theology

[p.rehbein]

Tell me where the offending comments/threads are to be found.  Those that violate Rule 6 as stated below, and I will take the necessary action to enforce the Rules as established by Admin.

Rule No. 6 - This is a "Christian Forum"

6.1 This is a best described as a "Christian-only" message forum. However, administration reserves the right to allow members of other religions if deemed productive. To have a "Christians only" forum, we need to define who can post. Therefore, we need a set of criteria that clearly defines who a Christian is for the purposes of posting. This is not for any other reason. We are not speculating as to a person's salvation, faith or beliefs. This rule is not intended to label a member as "non-Christian".

6.2 We do not expect members to accept or affirm this as a Creed as Grace-Centered recognizes no Creed but the Bible. We do, however, expect members to agree to the content below only because it is based on the Bible.

6.3 An Adaptation of The Nicene Creed (with scriptural references as it is based on the Bible):

We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4: 5; Acts 2: 38)
We look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11: 24; 1 Corinthians 15: 12-49; Hebrews 6: 2; Revelation 20: 5)
and the life in the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)

AMEN. (Psalm 106: 48)

[P.F.]

YES,

Specifics please.

and some issues that we currently have are being attended to at this moment. We are always working to improve this website.

The Deity of Christ and the Trinity have been being debated for quite some time

I can understand this point, however we have many members and not all of them are Christians.  Are we to turn away those who do not believe or understand the Deity of Christ and/or the Trinity?  Should we not talk with them and teach them?  It may not change their minds, but there are hundreds of people who visis us every day and what if our talks about this serve to lead them to Christ?

At one point this was to a board that wad a haven for Christians and the rules at registration require agreement with a set of scriptures.  Atheists were routinely and swiftly banned.  I believe the non-traditional theology portion of this board, instead of swift bannings has been a monumental detriment to this board.

The difference between beliefnet and gcm is getting smaller.

[gospel]

Tell me where the offending comments/threads are to be found.  Those that violate Rule 6 as stated below, and I will take the necessary action to enforce the Rules as established by Admin.

Thanks however I'll pass on plying through the plethora of posts to weed out the offensive ones but going forward I will point them out as they occur

If I appear to be hyper sensitive in the posts I point out to you in the future I am sure you or someone will let me know

Also I understand that some differences are helpful as the rules state " if they are productive"

But a continual denial of The Trinity or the Deity of Christ I cannot see as being helpful in any way in a Christian setting

Thanks for reassuring me of Grace Forums integrity in this matter

I hope others will speak up as well

As to not allow me to feel as if I am alone in my concern

[p.rehbein]

I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

[p.rehbein]

Any member, ANY MEMBER that reads a comment/post here that is in direct violation of our Rules ALSO has the obligtion to report said comment/post to the Mods.  We cannot possibly read each and every comment/post.  We do as best we can.  If you report it, it will be reviewed by the Mods and whatever action is required, I ASSURE YOU it will be taken.

P.Rehbein

[Lively Stone]

Tell me where the offending comments/threads are to be found.  Those that violate Rule 6 as stated below, and I will take the necessary action to enforce the Rules as established by Admin.

Thanks however I'll pass on plying through the plethora of posts to weed out the offensive ones but going forward I will point them out as they occur

If I appear to be hyper sensitive in the posts I point out to you in the future I am sure you or someone will let me know

Also I understand that some differences are helpful as the rules state " if they are productive"

But a continual denial of The Trinity or the Deity of Christ I cannot see as being helpful in any way in a Christian setting

Thanks for reassuring me of Grace Forums integrity in this matter

I hope others will speak up as well

As to not allow me to feel as if I am alone in my concern

No, you are not alone in your concerns.

[Bitter Sweet]

Somebody just denied that Christ resurrected in my Theology thread about being bound and sealed with God, can't remember the title. It was the most unchristian thing I had ever read, I am so offended that I want to put that poster on an ignore list so I don't have to read how she denies Christ anymore.

Is there an ignore poster option?

[gospel]

I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Not avoiding your question

A promised son thread would be a good start

[Lively Stone]

Somebody just denied that Christ resurrected in my Theology thread about being bound and sealed with God, can't remember the title. It was the most unchristian thing I had ever read, I am so offended that I want to put that poster on an ignore list so I don't have to read how she denies Christ anymore.

Is there an ignore poster option?

You are telling a lie.

[Bitter Sweet]

I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Please clean this thread up next; Theology
How can something that God has sealed be unbound?

[gospel]

I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Please clean this thread up next; Theology
How can something that God has sealed be unbound?

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks 

[Lively Stone]

I think that having one continuous thread where people can go and air their beliefs on the Trinity, etc, is fine, but to have a number of them open up about that topic or to have existing threads on other topics devolve into that kind of recurring debate should not be allowed.

[Bitter Sweet]

I don't want individual comments, I want the title of the thread and the forum it is on................

Please clean this thread up next; Theology
How can something that God has sealed be unbound?

Thank You!

[gospel]

p.rehbein

Also I hate to say this but some threads or comments have been mysteriously disappearing as of late.

I don't know enough to accuse anyone of anything, it could be just a server issue but I know for a fact one of my posts disappeared and I was able to go into my latest posts and find a copy of it and re-post it

Now today I noticed an entire thread I started is missing

I could've sworn I started a thread entitled

Does A believer have to believe in the Trinity to Be a Christian or something like that


Maybe I'm just overlooking it but I cannot seem to find it

Hopefully I am wrong but I've gone through most of the pages several times

So far to no avail

Sadly I suspect one of the mods has over extended their authority either that or your server tripped out and deleted it by itself 

[Bitter Sweet]

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks 

Oh no, I did not misunderstand when she said Christ isn't resurrected. He died only 1 time, resurrected and has lived on since then. No Christian will deny that Christ has risen.

[Lively Stone]

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks  

Oh no, I did not misunderstand when she said Christ isn't resurrected. He died only 1 time, resurrected and has lived on since then. No Christian will deny that Christ has risen.

You are misunderstanding, and perhaps on purpose and causing trouble. Stop it.

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

It is your choice of words that causes confusion, so that when someone addresses you, you misunderstand them. You have no right to bear false witness around here. Now take your concerns elsewhere and let this thread carry on.

[gospel]

You may disagree or misunderstand her comments  but your statement about Lively Stone's beliefs is both unwarranted and unsubstantiated

Please do not trivialize my reason for starting this topic


Thanks 

Oh no, I did not misunderstand when she said Christ isn't resurrected. He died only 1 time, resurrected and has lived on since then. No Christian will deny that Christ has risen.

You without a doubt are misunderstanding Lively who is a person that has been in the forum for quite a while now...

.... so most of us know what Lively believes and what Lively does not believe,

What you are accusing Lively of not believing is incorrect and a misunderstanding on your part.

I suggest you should ask Lively what she meant rather than flying off on a wild accusation

[Catholica]

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

[JMT]

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  Hmm...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though. 

[gospel]

Never mind folks I found the thread...  sorry for the unwarranted suspicion

Lot of that going around these parts...its catching!

[Lively Stone]

Never mind folks I found the thread...  sorry for the unwarranted suspicion

Lot of that going around these parts...its catching!

That's OK! You deserve a hug today....

[JMT]

You said that the resurrection is happening now. It isn't happening now. Jesus rose from the grave 2000 years ago, and He will return and the dead in Christ will resurrect then.

Amen, Lively!  Just as He died once, He resurrected ONCE  and it is not a process, but a done deal!

The verse being used to say legal marriage is wrong, is being grossly misrepresented!  The resurrection the passage is talking about is when we get to HEAVEN or THE AFTER LIFE.  THEN, there will be no marriage, because there will be no male and female.  We will be like the angels.

The Bible doesn't say there will be no male and female. 

It doesn't.  HM...maybe you are right.  Let me go check back, because I could have sworn I remember reading that.  It could be that I understood it it mean that because of the "as the angels are" comment though. 

Well...it looks like it will be a mystery about gender in Heaven, because there is nothing that says definitively either way...SO to amend my earlier statement...It is my understanding and personal belief that there will be no gender in Heaven, because we will be made like the angels.   (not the Lord, but I IOW LOL)

A good argument for gender is that Christ retained His masculine qualities after resurrection...

and one against is the verse that tells us there is neither male nor female in Christ Jesus.  

[Beta]

Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations ! 

[Joyfullee]

Considering we are all on different levels of learning and understanding there are bound to be different views regarding the 'Word of God.

Why should some be 'forced into another's Belief , castigated or banned ?
Are we not to follow Christ rather than be dictated to by men ? By all means make your point but

Let us be more tolerant and stop these horrible arguements and accusations ! 

Ditto.

I'm also disappointed that whole threads just get deleted, without a word.  Why?  Because someone throws a childish hissy fit?  Because someone doesn't like what someone else said?  Are there that many immature Christians here?

Another thing is that just because someone is a long-time poster doesn't give them the right to be mean-spirited and bully others.  Long-time posters should not be favored just because they've got a post count in the thousands.  God judges the motives of the heart, period.

Blessings, to one and all.

[tinker]

Can we  rename it Roman Catholic forum or not?That way I cannot post anything anti-Roman Catholic.