The Holy Spirit is The Father ----- and The Son :)

[daq]

Hi BTR!
If it were not for the Ra`vens this would all be in one place. However, regarding the statement made by Yeshua which you have now quoted once more:

John 16:13-14 KJV
13.  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14.  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

What do we call one who REPEATS WHAT HE HEARS?

Re: Another Comforter?
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Re: God is against Editing!
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Re: Torah is Spirit!

 

[BornToReign]

Hi BTR!
If it were not for the Ra`vens this would all be in one place. However, regarding the statement made by Yeshua which you have now quoted once more:

John 16:13-14 KJV
13.  Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14.  He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

What do we call one who REPEATS WHAT HE HEARS?

Re: Another Comforter?
« Reply #78 on: July 23, 2011, 01:12:14 PM »

Re: God is against Editing!
« Reply #36 on: July 27, 2011, 03:55:38 PM[url] »

Re: Torah is Spirit!

 

 my friend.

Did you catch this part?

{He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.}


He is so awesome.....

"I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.
He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

[gospel]

Your hatred for the Truth and the saints is really beginning to show. You have not answered to any of the truths presented in the first page of this thread and now once again you have succeeded in derailing another thread. I will pray once more for you!

Your behavior as well as your most recent response is somewhat abstract bordering on the bizarre...
it as if you were playing with your dollies and neighbor's uninvited little boy from across the street came and disrupted your private little tea party ...get a grip man, It really ain't that serious

You've become hostile without even being provoked showing a complete lack of leading of the Holy Spirit

[gospel]

Did you catch this part?

{He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.}

Did you catch it?

It's as if you are reading through a layer of fog and the key words are hidden from view changing the meaning of what you are reading to something other than what is clearly written

He ( The Holy Spirit ) will glorify me ( Jesus ), for he will take what is mine   and declare it to you.

All that the Father has is mine; therefore I ( Jesus ) said that he (The Holy Spirit ) will take what is mine and declare it to you [/quote]


Somehow you're counting 2 while the passage has clearly enumerated 3

It's not really your fault though...its just the fog 

[daq]

Your behavior as well as your most recent response is somewhat abstract bordering on the bizarre...
it as if you were playing with your dollies and neighbor's uninvited little boy from across the street came and disrupted your private little tea party ...get a grip man, It really ain't that serious

Accusations of "pedophilia" now? Why am I not surprised ...
1) I know Yeshua and you are nothing like him!
2) I know the Gospel and you do not have it!



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Hi BTR!
Be sure you read those links! At least the ones not deleted.
(We do not worship the messengers) ... . ...  

[BornToReign]

Did you catch this part?

{He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.}

Did you catch it?

It's as if you are reading through a layer of fog and the key words are hidden from view changing the meaning of what you are reading to something other than what is clearly written

He ( The Holy Spirit ) will glorify me ( Jesus ), for he will take what is mine   and declare it to you.

All that the Father has is mine; therefore I ( Jesus ) said that he (The Holy Spirit ) will take what is mine and declare it to you

Somehow you're counting 2 while the passage has clearly enumerated 3

It's not really your fault though...its just the fog  

I say what my Father has shown me; you do what your father has told you!





"He shall glorify me"



Isaiah 48:11 ESV
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.

John 13:32 ESV
If God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself, and glorify him at once.

for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak

John 15:15 ESV
No longer do I call you servants, for the servantdoes not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.

John 14:10 ESV
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.


And many many think there is an extra spirit, they think and teach that He is "another" but not Himself.    

There is no third person or third spirit, the trinity is a mistake from men's minds.

1 John 1:3 ESV
that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us;
and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Colossians 2:9 ESV
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.

[BornToReign]

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Hi BTR!
Be sure you read those links! At least the ones not deleted.
(We do not worship the messengers) ... . ...[/size][/font]  

2 Kings 18:4 ESV
He removed the high places and broke the pillars and cut down the Asherah. And he broke in pieces the bronze serpent that Moses had made, for until those days the people of Israel had made offerings to it (it was called Nehushtan).

Isaiah 45:6 CJB
so that those from the east and those from the west will know that there is none besides me - I am ADONAI; there is no other.

Isaiah 45:18 CJB
For thus says ADONAI, who created the heavens, God, who shaped and made the earth, who established and created it not to be chaos, but formed it to be lived in: "I am ADONAI; there is no other.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.

Isaiah 46:9 CJB
"Remember things that happened at the beginning, long ago - that I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me.

Numbers 9:12 ESV
They shall leave none of it until the morning, nor break any of its bones; according to all the statute for the Passover they shall keep it.

Malachi 3:1 ESV
"Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the LORD of hosts.

[gospel]

Your behavior as well as your most recent response is somewhat abstract bordering on the bizarre...
it as if you were playing with your dollies and neighbor's uninvited little boy from across the street came and disrupted your private little tea party ...get a grip man, It really ain't that serious

Accusations of "pedophilia" now? Why am I not surprised ...
1) I know Yeshua and you are nothing like him!
2) I know the Gospel and you do not have it!



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Hi BTR!
Be sure you read those links! At least the ones not deleted.
(We do not worship the messengers) ... . ...  

How do you get from tea party to pedophilia?

Seriously man calm down, take a Zanex or something

Don't panic...the tithe is in the mail!

Geesh

[gospel]

If I pray the Father to send His Spirit it literally means the Father is sending His Spirit YET He Himself is staying

You don't send yourself on a trip you send someone else

If you send a letter, you don't bring it yourself

You literally send it

The good thing about all this is we don't need Greek, Hebrew, Latin, Pig Latin, Croatian, Chinese or Ebonics to understand the meaning of the words "send" or "sent"

Basic common sense,

Basic English grammar

Basic Christian Doctrine

The Father sent His Son

The Father sent The Promised Holy Spirit

The Father Himself ....well He didn't Himself come

He came in the form of them Whom He Sent

[Lively Stone]

While Jesus is God, He is not the Father, and while Holy Spirit is also God, He is not the Father.

[Lively Stone]

God the Father is not Jesus, nor is He Holy Spirit, but Jesus is God  and Holy Spirit is God, but they are not the Father.

The Trinity can be very difficult to understand. God's Fatherhood also.

[Lively Stone]

God the Father is not Jesus, nor is He Holy Spirit, but Jesus is God and Holy Spirit is God, but they are not the Father.

Holy Spirit has gone out from the Father to do the work of Jesus Christ, in an omnipresent capacity. He is  one of the Godhead.

The Trinity can be very difficult to understand. God's Fatherhood also.

[BornToReign]

It is you and those like you who make it hard to understand.

I understand perfectly in and through Him and His Word.

I say what my Father has shown me; you do what your father has told you!


"I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father."

Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me. - John16


Galatians 4:6 ESV
And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

John 14:28 ESV
You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:18 ESV
"I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.


2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.



"He shall glorify me"



Isaiah 48:11 ESV
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.

John 13:32 ESV
If God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself, and glorify him at once.

for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak

John 15:15 ESV
No longer do I call you servants, for the servantdoes not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.

John 14:10 ESV
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.


And many many think there is an extra spirit, they think and teach that He is "another" but not Himself.   

There is no third person, the trinity is a mistake from men's minds.

1 John 1:3 ESV
that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us;
and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Colossians 2:9 ESV
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.

[Lively Stone]

Denial of the Person of the Holy Spirit, as One of the Godhead is dangerously akin, if not definitively blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is like saying God is not God or Jesus is not God. This is because when one claims to have all understanding as in:

I understand perfectly in and through Him and His Word.

I say what my Father has shown me;

It is obvious that something is missing, hearkening back to the Pharisees, who were witnesses of the overpowering evidence of the power of Holy Spirit working through Jesus, and knew it, yet they could not cease from denying it.

[BornToReign]

Denial of the Person of the Holy Spirit, as One of the Godhead is dangerously akin, if not definitively blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. It is like saying God is not God or Jesus is not God. This is because when one claims to have all understanding as in:

I understand perfectly in and through Him and His Word.

I say what my Father has shown me; you do what your father has told you!

It is obvious that something is missing, hearkening back to the Pharisees, who were witnesses of the overpowering evidence of the power of Holy Spirit working through Jesus, and knew it, yet they could not cease from denying it.

This is hysterical.  You need to point this at yourself....as it is you who are denying that the Holy Spirit is God.
I am proving the truth of it and who He is with His Word, and you are opposing the truth with your words!  You need a mirror.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.


He has been revealed in Two ways, spiritually and physically. He revealed Himself to humans in the flesh in and through Yeshua.
He has always been and never stopped being the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 4:18 CJB
We concentrate not on what is seen but on what is not seen, since things seen are temporary, but things not seen are eternal.

2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.


Matthew 11:27 ESV
All things have been handed over to me by my Father, and no one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and anyone to whom the Son chooses to reveal him.

[Lively Stone]

There is nothing hysterical about the plain truth.

Holy Spirit is God. He is One of the Three in the Godhead.

[BornToReign]

There is nothing hysterical about the plain truth. People do manipulate the word of God for their own ends, I see.

Holy Spirit is God. He is One of the Three in the Godhead.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.

[Lively Stone]

There is nothing hysterical about the plain truth. People do manipulate the word of God for their own ends, I see.

Holy Spirit is God. He is One of the Three in the Godhead.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.

What is that supposed to prove? That there is no Son or Holy Spirit?

[BornToReign]

There is nothing hysterical about the plain truth. People do manipulate the word of God for their own ends, I see.

Holy Spirit is God. He is One of the Three in the Godhead.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.

What is that supposed to prove? That there is no Son or Holy Spirit?

2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

[Lively Stone]

Matthew 28
18-19 Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

[BornToReign]

Matthew 28
18-19 Jesus approached and, breaking the silence, said to them, All authority (all power of rule) in heaven and on earth has been given to Me.

Go then and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,

And that name is Jesus Christ.

Acts 2:38 ESV
And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Acts 8:16 ESV
for he had not yet fallen on any of them, but they had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.



And eternal life is this: to know you, the one true God, and him whom you sent, Yeshua the Messiah.

Where is the third person? I only see one person the man Christ Jesus and one Spirit and that Spirit is the One true God.

and then as we grow and learn from Him we start to understand as He leads us into the truth, we see that;

2 Corinthians 4:18 CJB
We concentrate not on what is seen but on what is not seen, since things seen are temporary, but things not seen are eternal.

and that;

2 Corinthians 5:16 ESV
From now on, therefore, we regard no one according to the flesh. Even though we once regarded Christ according to the flesh, we regard him thus no longer.

Do not regard Christ according to the flesh any longer, then whats left?
He is whats left, the Spirit. He was the Spirit in the beginning of days and He will be the Spirit in the end of days, He is and was and always will be the Spirit.

2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.

[gospel]

While Jesus is God, He is not the Father, and while Holy Spirit is also God, He is not the Father.

Precisely!!!

[gospel]

It is you and those like you who make it hard to understand.

I understand perfectly in and through Him and His Word.

I say what my Father has shown me; you do what your father has told you!


"I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth, for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.

He will glorify me, for he will take what is mine and declare it to you.
All that the Father has is mine; therefore I said that he will take what is mine and declare it to you.

I came from the Father and have come into the world, and now I am leaving the world and going to the Father."

Yet I am not alone, for the Father is with me. - John16


Galatians 4:6 ESV
And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, "Abba! Father!"

John 14:28 ESV
You heard me say to you, 'I am going away, and I will come to you.' If you loved me, you would have rejoiced, because I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I.

John 14:18 ESV
"I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.

Romans 8:9 ESV
You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.


2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.



"He shall glorify me"



Isaiah 48:11 ESV
For my own sake, for my own sake, I do it, for how should my name be profaned? My glory I will not give to another.

John 13:32 ESV
If God is glorified in him, God will also glorify him in himself, and glorify him at once.

for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak

John 15:15 ESV
No longer do I call you servants, for the servant does not know what his master is doing; but I have called you friends, for all that I have heard from my Father I have made known to you.

John 14:10 ESV
Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I say to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does his works.


And many many think there is an extra spirit, they think and teach that He is "another" but not Himself.   

There is no third person, the trinity is a mistake from men's minds.

1 John 1:3 ESV
that which we have seen and heard we proclaim also to you, so that you too may have fellowship with us;
and indeed our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ.

Colossians 2:9 ESV
For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily.

The more scripture you misunderstand the deeper the hole you dig for yourself

You literally think being filled with The Holy Ghost is the same as being filled with the Father...you've completely convinced yourself of having no comprehension of the difference!

Very sad, very, very sad

[BornToReign]

Quote gospel:

The more scripture you misunderstand the deeper the hole you dig for yourself

You literally think being filled with The Holy Ghost is the same as being filled with the Father...you've completely convinced yourself of having no comprehension of the difference!

 Very sad, very, very sad

Matthew 16:16 ESV
Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

The Son of the living God, would constitute that the Living God is the Father. Surely you can read with your eyes, even though you seem to not be able to read without them, even though you claim to.

The living God is the Father, as per Christ is the Son of the Living God.

2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said, "I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

We are the temple of the Living God. The living God is the Spirit.

This even a reader of the Word and not a doer of the Word should be able to see.

2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.

Comment deleted

[gospel]

Quote gospel:

The more scripture you misunderstand the deeper the hole you dig for yourself

You literally think being filled with The Holy Ghost is the same as being filled with the Father...you've completely convinced yourself of having no comprehension of the difference!

 Very sad, very, very sad

Matthew 16:16 ESV
Simon Peter replied, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."

The Son of the living God, would constitute that the Living God is the Father. Surely you can read with your eyes, even though you seem to not be able to read without them, even though you claim to.

The living God is the Father, as per Christ is the Son of the Living God.

2 Corinthians 6:16 CJB
What agreement can there be between the temple of God and idols? For we are the temple of the living God - as God said, "I will house myself in them, . . . and I will walk among you. I will be their God, and they will be my people."

We are the temple of the Living God. The living God is the Spirit.

This even a reader of the Word and not a doer of the Word should be able to see.

2 Corinthians 3:17 ESV
Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

Isaiah 45:22 CJB
Look to me, and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God; there is no other.


You are so blinded and full of yourself that you cant be shown anything, as you think in yourself that you know it all already and are so full of pride that you are being resisted, you made yourself an idol and you don't even know it.

Now that is sad, very, very, sad  

At least I am not so full as to direct my comments at your person rather than your bad math and poor understanding of grammar

If my character has to be maligned and I have to be called a variety of names just to impart a little tutoring in basic addition and basic grammar

So be it

You as a person however I believe are a child of the King, Saved by His Son filled with His Spirit
regardless of what you personally think of me

I only want to help you in regards to your understanding of math and grammar  

And please take comfort and know that...

.... whatever you say about me

You are already forgiven

[BornToReign]

Hi BTR  
Do you know why the difference in the following two passages?

Matthew 10:16-20 KJV
16.  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17.  But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18.  And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19.  But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20.  For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Mark 13:9-11 KJV
9.  But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10.  And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11.  But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

HINT: TIMING IS EVERYTHING!  

 

Hi daq.....

Matt.10, The disciples had the Father, that was what Yeshua breathed on them. That is why He said "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."

And in Mark it was prophetic to us but first to them, and that the Holy Spirit was both, after Yeshua had been glorified. The Father and Son back together as One, The One True God. "for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost."


"If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.

You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.  

Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me.
And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him."

Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, "Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered him,
"If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and

{we will come to him and make our home with him.}

John 14:15-23 ESV

[gospel]

Hi BTR  
Do you know why the difference in the following two passages?

Matthew 10:16-20 KJV
16.  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17.  But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18.  And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19.  But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20.  For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Mark 13:9-11 KJV
9.  But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10.  And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11.  But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

HINT: TIMING IS EVERYTHING!  

 

Hi daq.....

Matt.10, The disciples had the Father, that was what Yeshua breathed on them. That is why He said "For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you."

And in Mark it was prophetic to us but first to them, and that the Holy Spirit was both, after Yeshua had been glorified. The Father and Son back together as One, The One True God. "for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost."


"If you love me, you will keep my commandments. And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Helper, to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him nor knows him.

You know him, for he dwells with you and will be in you. "I will not leave you as orphans; I will come to you.  

Yet a little while and the world will see me no more, but you will see me. Because I live, you also will live.
In that day you will know that I am in my Father, and you in me, and I in you.

Whoever has my commandments and keeps them, he it is who loves me.
And he who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I will love him and manifest myself to him."

Judas (not Iscariot) said to him, "Lord, how is it that you will manifest yourself to us, and not to the world?" Jesus answered him,
"If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him, and

{we will come to him and make our home with him.}

John 14:15-23 ESV

Amazing how one can read and cite the very scriptures that clearly show there are 3 Persons of God yet read into them something contradictory and exactly opposite


"If you love me ( God the Son ), you will keep my ( God the Son ) commandments.

And I ( God the Son ) will ask the Father ( God the Father ), and he

( God the Father ) will give you another ( like me )  Helper ( God the Holy

Spirit ) , to be with you forever, even the Spirit of truth, ( God the Holy Spirit )

whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees him ( God the Holy Spirit )

nor knows him (God the Holy Spirit ).


According to what the scriptures have clearly indicated your mathematical and grammatical skills are sorely lacking

According to your explanation Jesus is asking the Father to come Himself and give Himself...its an explanation that is beyond absurd

And then instead of referring to Him as The Father He is asking

He begins to call the Father "another" Helper and the Spirit of Truth

Not that it matters to you but ....

Grammatically your explanation is seriously all out of whack 

[Lively Stone]

I am terrible at math, but I can sure count to three!

[BornToReign]

Hi BTR  
Do you know why the difference in the following two passages?

Matthew 10:16-20 KJV
16.  Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
17.  But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues;
18.  And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles.
19.  But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak.
20.  For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Mark 13:9-11 KJV
9.  But take heed to yourselves: for they shall deliver you up to councils; and in the synagogues ye shall be beaten: and ye shall be brought before rulers and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them.
10.  And the gospel must first be published among all nations.
11.  But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

HINT: TIMING IS EVERYTHING!  

 

Hi daq  

Been off a couple days, my modem got surged in a storm and I had to wait on a replacement.

I would say that the differences are there because one was for them literally and physically as truth.  
The other passage is meant for us and understood figuratively and spiritually as truth.

Remember the comments concerning John 7:39?  

John 7:37-39 KJV
37.  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38.  He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39.  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

The word "GIVEN" is not found in the text of John 7:39.
The translators simply "assumed" and added it:

John 7:39 TUA
39.  (Touto de eipen peri tou Pneumatos {*} ho emellonlambanein hoi pisteusantes eis auton, oupo gar en Pneuma, hoti Iesous oudepo edoxasthe.)
39.  (But this he spake concerning the Spirit {*} which was about to be received of those faithful-believing into him; because not yet was Spirit, for Yeshua not yet was glorified.)

John 7:37-39 YGB (Young's Literal Bible)
37.  And in the last, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, 'If any one doth thirst, let him come unto me and drink;
38.  he who is believing in me, according as the Writing said, Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water;'
39.  and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

FOR NOT YET WAS [THE HOLY] SPIRIT
BECAUSE YESHUA WAS NOT YET GLORIFIED!

There is a difference between Spirit Holy and Holy Spirit, (the order of the words written in the original Greek). In Matt.10:20 the disciples are sent on a missionary journey, (before the Crucifixion of Christ). However, in Mrk.13:11 the comments concern the end of the age. I will quote here from the Greek TUA Transliterated Unaccented Bible just to show the importance of the order of the words in the Greek concerning "Pneumatos Hagiou" and how this fact is lost in the various translations into English. In the Gospel of Matthew the order of the words changes only AFTER the resurrection of Yeshua:

Matthew 1:18 TUA
18.  Tou de Iesou Christou he genesis houtos en:Mnesteutheises tes metros autou Marias to Iosef,prin e sunelthein autous heurethe en gastri echousa ek Pneumatos Hagiou.

Matthew 1:18
18.  Now the birth of Yeshua Christou was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child from [the] Pneumatos Hagiou.

Pneumatos Hagiou  ~  Spirit Holy

Matthew 1:20 TUA
20.  Tauta de autouenthumethentos, idou, angelos Kuriou kat onar efaneauto legon, "Iosef huios Dauid, me fobethesparalabein Mariam ten gunaika sou, to gar en autegennethen ek Pneumatos estin Hagiou!

Matthew 1:20
20.  But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her from Pneumatos it is Hagiou!

ek Pneumatos estin Hagiou!  ~  from Spirit it is Holy!

Matthew 3:11 TUA
11.  "Ego men humas baptizo en hudati eis metanoian,ho de opiso mou erchomenos ischuroteros mou estin, hououk eimi hikanos ta hupodemata bastasai.  Autos humasbaptisei en Pneumati Hagio kai puri,

Matthew 3:11
11.  I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he shall baptize you en Pneumati Hagio, and with fire:

en Pneumati Hagio  ~  in Spirit Holy

Matthew 12:32 TUA
32.  Kai hos ean eipe logon kata touHuiou tou Anthropou, afethesetai auto.  Hos d an eipekata tou Pneumatos tou Hagiou, ouk afethesetai autooute en touto to aioni oute en to mellonti!"

Matthew 12:32
32.  And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against tou Pneumatos tou Hagiou, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come.

tou Pneumatos tou Hagiou  ~  the Spirit the Holy

Matthew 28:18-20 TUA
18.  Kai proselthon ho Iesous elalesen autois legon,@"Edothe moi pasa exousia en ourano kai epi tes ges.
19.  Poreuthentes oun matheteusate panta ta ethne, baptizontes autous eis to onoma tou Patros kai tou Huiou kai tou Hagiou Pneumatos,
20.  didaskontes autous tereinpanta hosa eneteilamen humin.  Kai idou, ego methhumon eimi pasas tas hemeras heos tes sunteleias touaionos."{*}^

Here the order of the words is intentionally reversed for the first time, in the first book, and in the first Gospel account of all of the New Testament:

Hagiou Pneumatos  ~  Holy Spirit

Matthew 28:18-19
18.  And the Yeshua came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19.  Go ye therefore, and teach all nations-Gentiles, immersing them in the name of the Father and of the Son, even the Hagiou Pneumatos,
20.  Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you all the days until the consummation of the aionos. Amen.

"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth: Go therefore, and teach all nations-Gentiles: immersing them in the name of the Father and the Son: even the Holy Spirit."

The Holy Spirit is the Father and the Son
They Two are One!

 

John 20:22 ESV
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit

Is this verse had Holy Spirit been translated also reversed?

The site that you had posted a link to that you study from, is that where you find the TUA with this kind of information? Or is this found elsewhere?

Could you possibly re-post that link as the tread that you originally posted it is now deleted, or I just cant find the post. I believe it was a response to Bitter Sweet.



Thank you my friend.

[gospel]

I am terrible at math, but I can sure count to three!

That's why your manna keeps adding up!!!!!

[BornToReign]

I am terrible at math, but I can sure count to three!

That's why your manna keeps adding up!!!!!

And that's all you two will get for counting.

If you would use the same principal to see as you claim to use when you say that you see that the Son is God,
but for some reason you don't and that only leads one to the understanding that you were not shown but rather told.
Because if you were truly shown then you would see what I see, but you don't.

[gospel]

John 20:22 ESV
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, "Receive the Holy Spirit

What many do not realize is that Jesus ministry was also one of Restoration in the sense that some of the things He did and some of the things He said as well as some of the things that were said and done to Him were all part and parcel of His Restorative Ministry.

In the case of this verse

What we see being restored is the Presence of the Holy Spirit God had given Adam

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Genesis 2:7


The Presence of God is what Adam had lost when Adam fell from Righteousness to Un-Righteousness, losing Righteousness He also lost his authority and position as the representative of the Kingdom here on earth

The gist of Jesus entire mission was to Restore Righteousness and The Kingdom on Earth

In Matthew 6:33 this is what Jesus was saying most of all

What mankind needs more than anything is Righteousness and the Kingdom

Right standing before God as His children and the indwelling Presence of His Holy Spirit

Up until the time of this verse, no man had the Presence of God living within, no man was a temple of the Holy Spirit, for none were righteous

The disciples were first since Adam to have received the indwelling of the Holy Spirit

This verse is revealing to us the moment in time when the Apostles went from being natural men to being Born Again, Born of Heaven, Born of God

The righteousness of God in Christ suitable as dwelling places, vessels and temples of His Holy Presence

( see John 1:10-13 and John 3:5-6)

[daq]

The site that you had posted a link to that you study from, is that where you find the TUA with this kind of information? Or is this found elsewhere?

Could you possibly re-post that link as the tread that you originally posted it is now deleted, or I just cant find the post. I believe it was a response to Bitter Sweet.



Thank you my friend.

Hi BTR
The site which I posted was a very simple KJV with Strong's Numbering System links within the text. It is great for Bible study!
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs.html

The TUA (Transliterated Unaccented) and the TPR (Transliterated Pronounceable) generally come together and must be purchased as far as I know. They are legitimate Bible translations just like the KJV or any other English translation, (yet much more valuable than any English translation as you can see).

I know a man about ten years ago who purchased a collection of thirteen Bible translations including the TUA/TPR, the LIT w/vertical Strong's, plus the Complete Works of Josephus, all on CD-ROM for only $12.99 from the close out rack in the "Christianity" section of a Hastings Book Store, and said to himself: YHWH IS GOOD! And today he says to himself: no one here has any excuse for ignorance in and of the Word. Do not allow "the cares of this world" to steal your inheritance brother; "redeeming the time because the days are evil" (Ephesians 5:15-16 KJV). 

 

[BornToReign]

The site that you had posted a link to that you study from, is that where you find the TUA with this kind of information? Or is this found elsewhere?

Could you possibly re-post that link as the tread that you originally posted it is now deleted, or I just cant find the post. I believe it was a response to Bitter Sweet.



Thank you my friend.

Hi BTR
The site which I posted was a very simple KJV with Strong's Numbering System links within the text. It is great for Bible study!
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs.html

The TUA (Transliterated Unaccented) and the TPR (Transliterated Pronounceable) generally come together and must be purchased as far as I know. They are legitimate Bible translations just like the KJV or any other English translation, (yet much more valuable than any English translation as you can see).

I know a man about ten years ago who purchased a collection of thirteen Bible translations including the TUA/TPR, the LIT w/vertical Strong's, plus the Complete Works of Josephus, all on CD-ROM for only $12.99 from the close out rack in the "Christianity" section of a Hastings Book Store, and said to himself: YHWH IS GOOD! And today he says to himself: no one here has any excuse for ignorance in and of the Word. Do not allow "the cares of this world" to steal your inheritance brother; "redeeming the time because the days are evil" (Ephesians 5:15-16 KJV).  

 

Thank you much my friend.

I found something similar to what you described on CD-ROM, The Bible Library Ultra Edition 6.0 for ten bucks. That has more than the book I was looking at on Amazon....Cheaper also.

Thanks again..... 

[daq]

You're very welcome! Just be careful if you get your hands on the LIT (Literal Bible w/vertical Strong's Ref.#s) because it is in fact only a translation using the Strong's Ref. Numbers. The Greek is not so bad but the Hebrew is terrible. This I did not know when I first began to study this way and if you are not careful the LIT will burn you with incorrect Strong's Numbers which are not actually from the original text but rather similar words of similar meaning are employed in some instances which are only found in that translation, (which is good because it forces one to be exact by double checking with the TUA and the other sources such as the KJV link provided above). However, the LIT did come with the ORIGINAL STRONG'S DEFINITIONS which are not the same as what is generally found at online sites such as the one quoted above. Most online Bible Tools sites generally use the Strong's numbering system to reference their own "more modern" definitions. In other words I have everything I need to study the Word on my own computer at home: yet if there is still any question of what is in the original text then I can double check with the KJV link quoted above, (or any other Bible Tools help site online) and that is to simply be sure of what is in the original text because I seldom use their "modernized" definitions.

PS: the title of this thread is now correct!