Dichotomy vs. Trichotomy

[BornToReign]

 

I do of course believe in the Holy Spirit and both you and your counterpart already know that. The question concerning that topic is whether or not the Holy Spirit is indeed a "third personage" to be worshipped. The Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, and we know that they two, the father and the Son, they two are ONE. The Holy Spirit thus proceeds from/of the Father and from/of the Son. Yeshua is the express image of YHWH, there is therefore ONE express image of God. I would suggest to you that you stop forcing others to confess to your own personal imagery of what it means to be a "Christian", especially when there is a high probability that you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and force others to do the same. Again, the list you have reposted here was already confirmed by myself at the following post:

Re: No Longer A Christian Forum or what?
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

Regarding this topic of "Dichotomy vs. Trichotomy" Paul teaches the same thing that I have stated herein. Man serves "the prince of the power of the air", "the god of this world", "the spirit of the world" until the time when a man or woman is born from above, just as I also have clearly already stated here in this thread. Man is not born-created with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) over and above his nephesh-soul, (which comes from YHWH) although man does come into this world with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) from the spirit of the prince of this world. Thus the third "spirit man" of which you speak is the spirit of this world and must be cast out so that we may receive the Ruwach HaQodesh Holy Spirit of YHWH 'Adonay.

And Amen!

I agree to what has been stated and I also believe these things in the very same way, because that is what the Word teaches. And I think that it is totally wrong to be threatening others into confessing some other mans explanation of God or men's creeds.
All these things are taught in God's Word, just because some understand them differently does not necessarily make them right or wrong. I believe in the Father and His Son Yeshua and in the Holy Spirit, seeing them separated into three different beings is just flat out wrong in my perception of who God is and being forced to acknowledge God in three separate "persons" is also very wrong and should not be a stipulation as to being a Christian!

If some are swimming in deep water and others are wading in the shallows does that mean that the ones in the deep should not swim, but be forced to wade with the rest? Are we all not in the water?
Did the others beat and mock Peter for getting out of the boat?

Oh wait your learning and teaching more than I understand or want to know so go away, let me be and tell no one what you see!

Luke 11:33 ESV
"No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light.

Romans 14:3 ESV
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

I see daq in no violation of the rules here, nor did I read any of his posts in the extreme negative way that p.rehbein has put forth, and in no way any worse than any others here do during heated debates.

Also, I thought p.rehbein didn't care if other Christians believed the same way he does? and now he is trying to shoehorn the way that others believe and understand the Father and His Son together in the Holy Spirit and now how man is created the way the Bible teaches into a violation of the rule because it doesn't fit his understanding. There is no violation of the rule here now nor has there been. There may be a violation in how many understand what is said or written and that is no violation of the forum rule.


Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

John 14:23 ESV
Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him,
and we will come to him and make our home with him.

[gospel]

I do of course believe in the Holy Spirit and both you and your counterpart already know that. The question concerning that topic is whether or not the Holy Spirit is indeed a "third personage" to be worshipped. The Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, and we know that they two, the father and the Son, they two are ONE. The Holy Spirit thus proceeds from/of the Father and from/of the Son. Yeshua is the express image of YHWH, there is therefore ONE express image of God. I would suggest to you that you stop forcing others to confess to your own personal imagery of what it means to be a "Christian", especially when there is a high probability that you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and force others to do the same. Again, the list you have reposted here was already confirmed by myself at the following post:

Re: No Longer A Christian Forum or what?
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

Regarding this topic of "Dichotomy vs. Trichotomy" Paul teaches the same thing that I have stated herein. Man serves "the prince of the power of the air", "the god of this world", "the spirit of the world" until the time when a man or woman is born from above, just as I also have clearly already stated here in this thread. Man is not born-created with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) over and above his nephesh-soul, (which comes from YHWH) although man does come into this world with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) from the spirit of the prince of this world. Thus the third "spirit man" of which you speak is the spirit of this world and must be cast out so that we may receive the Ruwach HaQodesh Holy Spirit of YHWH 'Adonay.

And Amen!

I agree to what has been stated and I also believe these things in the very same way, because that is what the Word teaches. And I think that it is totally wrong to be threatening others into confessing some other mans explanation of God or men's creeds.
All these things are taught in God's Word, just because some understand them differently does not necessarily make them right or wrong. I believe in the Father and His Son Yeshua and in the Holy Spirit, seeing them separated into three different beings is just flat out wrong in my perception of who God is and being forced to acknowledge God in three separate "persons" is also very wrong and should not be a stipulation as to being a Christian!

If some are swimming in deep water and others are wading in the shallows does that mean that the ones in the deep should not swim, but be forced to wade with the rest? Are we all not in the water?
Did the others beat and mock Peter for getting out of the boat?

Oh wait your learning and teaching more than I understand or want to know so go away, let me be and tell no one what you see!

Luke 11:33 ESV
"No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light.

Romans 14:3 ESV
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

I see daq in no violation of the rules here, nor did I read any of his posts in the extreme negative way that p.rehbein has put forth, and in no way any worse than any others here do during heated debates.

Also, I thought p.rehbein didn't care if other Christians believed the same way he does? and now he is trying to shoehorn the way that others believe and understand the Father and His Son together in the Holy Spirit and now how man is created the way the Bible teaches into a violation of the rule because it doesn't fit his understanding. There is no violation of the rule here now nor has there been. There may be a violation in how many understand what is said or written and that is no violation of the forum rule.


Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

John 14:23 ESV
Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him,
and we will come to him and make our home with him.

If I tithed to daq I too would argue in his defense for one needs to believe one is sowing into that which one believes is good ground....

But alas, many of his comments are far beyond the pale, as I have pointed out on several occasions many times.

Yours on the other hand are not nearly as disturbing as his, but you have found comfort in the fellowship you gleam from him and in so doing, much of the what he says which is ghastly goes unnoticed to you or so it appears, for rarely you do Amen some of his more scathing remarks at least as I see it

[p.rehbein]

daq, you said what you said and it is petty clear that you meant what you said.  It is standard operating procedure for you to make such comments here and then when you are challenged, you tapdance around saying that you didn't say what you said.

There is/was no way to misunderstand your comment I referred to.  It was a direct dismissal of those who profess the Christian Faith and a direct slap in the face of the Holy Spirit.  You can tapdance all you want and I know you and your support group surely will as you post an incessent amount of copy and paste pre-approved, pre-prepared talking points which I can only assume are published by whatever religious sect you belong to, but it will not change what you said.  I supose this is why they give you guys the pre-prepared talking points, so you won't mess up and reveal your true thoughts when you use your own words.  Oh, no, wait, that's right, you and BorntoReign and the others are linguistic experts.  Quite fluent in all the ancient language of the Bible.  Funny though, 'cause the type size, font style, spacing, punctuation, writing style and overall appearance of those many, many posts you guys publish are exactly the same.

As for your saying something about a witchhunt?  Really?  It was YOU who accused those of the Christian Faith of being practitioners of witchcraft!  As well, I never said I wanted you banned from Grace Centered, I suggested that you reconsider your participation/presence here as it is very apparent of what you think of us who profess the Christian Faith.  I also see you would not state the name of your religious sect, nor it's founders, nor your creed.  I assure you if you guys had a Forum on the Internet, I would not want to be a party to it.  Why should anyone want to be a part of a Forum that they do not believe represents their faith?

I had no doubt that you would wiggle around an apology by saying you didn't say what you said, so the fact that no apology was posted is no suprise to me.  Quite frankly I don't care if you are here posting or not, 'cause in the end you and your support staff are not much more trouble than CarlaTeal and her cloned menions that have been here for over two years now. 

I DO CARE however when you so arrogantly violate the rules of the Forums.  When you do this, I WILL call you on it.

Be it known, that from this point on when I see a post of yours that violates the rules of the Forums I will remove it.  This is your notfication of any future action.  You are expected to stay within the Rules of the Forums period.

[BornToReign]

I do of course believe in the Holy Spirit and both you and your counterpart already know that. The question concerning that topic is whether or not the Holy Spirit is indeed a "third personage" to be worshipped. The Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, and we know that they two, the father and the Son, they two are ONE. The Holy Spirit thus proceeds from/of the Father and from/of the Son. Yeshua is the express image of YHWH, there is therefore ONE express image of God. I would suggest to you that you stop forcing others to confess to your own personal imagery of what it means to be a "Christian", especially when there is a high probability that you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and force others to do the same. Again, the list you have reposted here was already confirmed by myself at the following post:

Re: No Longer A Christian Forum or what?
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

Regarding this topic of "Dichotomy vs. Trichotomy" Paul teaches the same thing that I have stated herein. Man serves "the prince of the power of the air", "the god of this world", "the spirit of the world" until the time when a man or woman is born from above, just as I also have clearly already stated here in this thread. Man is not born-created with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) over and above his nephesh-soul, (which comes from YHWH) although man does come into this world with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) from the spirit of the prince of this world. Thus the third "spirit man" of which you speak is the spirit of this world and must be cast out so that we may receive the Ruwach HaQodesh Holy Spirit of YHWH 'Adonay.

And Amen!

I agree to what has been stated and I also believe these things in the very same way, because that is what the Word teaches. And I think that it is totally wrong to be threatening others into confessing some other mans explanation of God or men's creeds.
All these things are taught in God's Word, just because some understand them differently does not necessarily make them right or wrong. I believe in the Father and His Son Yeshua and in the Holy Spirit, seeing them separated into three different beings is just flat out wrong in my perception of who God is and being forced to acknowledge God in three separate "persons" is also very wrong and should not be a stipulation as to being a Christian!

If some are swimming in deep water and others are wading in the shallows does that mean that the ones in the deep should not swim, but be forced to wade with the rest? Are we all not in the water?
Did the others beat and mock Peter for getting out of the boat?

Oh wait your learning and teaching more than I understand or want to know so go away, let me be and tell no one what you see!

Luke 11:33 ESV
"No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light.

Romans 14:3 ESV
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

I see daq in no violation of the rules here, nor did I read any of his posts in the extreme negative way that p.rehbein has put forth, and in no way any worse than any others here do during heated debates.

Also, I thought p.rehbein didn't care if other Christians believed the same way he does? and now he is trying to shoehorn the way that others believe and understand the Father and His Son together in the Holy Spirit and now how man is created the way the Bible teaches into a violation of the rule because it doesn't fit his understanding. There is no violation of the rule here now nor has there been. There may be a violation in how many understand what is said or written and that is no violation of the forum rule.


Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

John 14:23 ESV
Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him,
and we will come to him and make our home with him.

If I tithed to daq I too would argue in his defense for one needs to believe one is sowing into that which one believes is good ground....

But alas, many of his comments are far beyond the pale, as I have pointed out on several occasions many times.

Yours on the other hand are not nearly as disturbing as his, but you have found comfort in the fellowship you gleam from him and in so doing, much of the what he says which is ghastly goes unnoticed to you or so it appears, for rarely you do Amen some of his more scathing remarks at least as I see it

What a nitwit remark, I don't tithe to daq. The more posts the more ignorance I see of the scriptures. You always resort to these odd ball wise cracking comments, it really is quite ridiculous as well as annoying. This is my final response to you.

[gospel]

I do of course believe in the Holy Spirit and both you and your counterpart already know that. The question concerning that topic is whether or not the Holy Spirit is indeed a "third personage" to be worshipped. The Scripture teaches that the Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, and we know that they two, the father and the Son, they two are ONE. The Holy Spirit thus proceeds from/of the Father and from/of the Son. Yeshua is the express image of YHWH, there is therefore ONE express image of God. I would suggest to you that you stop forcing others to confess to your own personal imagery of what it means to be a "Christian", especially when there is a high probability that you blaspheme the Holy Spirit and force others to do the same. Again, the list you have reposted here was already confirmed by myself at the following post:

Re: No Longer A Christian Forum or what?
« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2011, 10:30:23 PM »

Regarding this topic of "Dichotomy vs. Trichotomy" Paul teaches the same thing that I have stated herein. Man serves "the prince of the power of the air", "the god of this world", "the spirit of the world" until the time when a man or woman is born from above, just as I also have clearly already stated here in this thread. Man is not born-created with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) over and above his nephesh-soul, (which comes from YHWH) although man does come into this world with an "extra spirit" (ruwach) from the spirit of the prince of this world. Thus the third "spirit man" of which you speak is the spirit of this world and must be cast out so that we may receive the Ruwach HaQodesh Holy Spirit of YHWH 'Adonay.

And Amen!

I agree to what has been stated and I also believe these things in the very same way, because that is what the Word teaches. And I think that it is totally wrong to be threatening others into confessing some other mans explanation of God or men's creeds.
All these things are taught in God's Word, just because some understand them differently does not necessarily make them right or wrong. I believe in the Father and His Son Yeshua and in the Holy Spirit, seeing them separated into three different beings is just flat out wrong in my perception of who God is and being forced to acknowledge God in three separate "persons" is also very wrong and should not be a stipulation as to being a Christian!

If some are swimming in deep water and others are wading in the shallows does that mean that the ones in the deep should not swim, but be forced to wade with the rest? Are we all not in the water?
Did the others beat and mock Peter for getting out of the boat?

Oh wait your learning and teaching more than I understand or want to know so go away, let me be and tell no one what you see!

Luke 11:33 ESV
"No one after lighting a lamp puts it in a cellar or under a basket, but on a stand, so that those who enter may see the light.

Romans 14:3 ESV
Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him.

I see daq in no violation of the rules here, nor did I read any of his posts in the extreme negative way that p.rehbein has put forth, and in no way any worse than any others here do during heated debates.

Also, I thought p.rehbein didn't care if other Christians believed the same way he does? and now he is trying to shoehorn the way that others believe and understand the Father and His Son together in the Holy Spirit and now how man is created the way the Bible teaches into a violation of the rule because it doesn't fit his understanding. There is no violation of the rule here now nor has there been. There may be a violation in how many understand what is said or written and that is no violation of the forum rule.


Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

John 14:23 ESV
Jesus answered him, "If anyone loves me, he will keep my word, and my Father will love him,
and we will come to him and make our home with him.

If I tithed to daq I too would argue in his defense for one needs to believe one is sowing into that which one believes is good ground....

But alas, many of his comments are far beyond the pale, as I have pointed out on several occasions many times.

Yours on the other hand are not nearly as disturbing as his, but you have found comfort in the fellowship you gleam from him and in so doing, much of the what he says which is ghastly goes unnoticed to you or so it appears, for rarely you do Amen some of his more scathing remarks at least as I see it

What a nitwit remark, I don't tithe to daq. The more posts the more ignorance I see of the scriptures. You always resort to these odd ball wise cracking comments, it really is quite ridiculous as well as annoying. This is my final response to you.

In light of the numerous, as you call it nit wit remarks you and daq have made I can at least make one now and then....

I realize the tithe comment was a reach but.....

You did at one point make a comment where you stated that his teaching ministry was so fulfilling to you that you would have to get his address to send a tithe if he continued to feed you as well as you believed he was doing at the time

I noticed that the tenor and intensity of his posts afterward seemed to become a little more desperate and hostile in your and his defense

That's what I remember but I have no problem being corrected if I am wrong

If you don't remember the comment I am referring to if you like I go can find it and re-post it for you

[Joyfullee]

II Thes. 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessings

[BornToReign]

II Thes. 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessings

Yes, and that spirit is the same spirit of life given to us when we are born from above.


1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

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Blessings to you as well.....

[gospel]

FYI

Just for the record

Here is a comment, referring to the comment I was referring to

Quote daq:

Quote
Hi BTR
A tithe to me? I know you kid but not so for this reason: For if my offering is an offering unto YHWH and you partake of it then the glory be to Him.

Smile  Amen!

Well may you receive many overflowing blessings for your offerings my friend, and I know that you do.

[p.rehbein]

Another FYI, just for the record comment.  Lest we forget, here is an excerpt from daq's comment #3 of this thread:

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And although the actual Strong's Definition itself is misleading; still the corresponding Hebrew and Greek words, as stated in the definition quoted here, are EXACT in their usage in the corresponding Hebrew and Greek texts. This can be proven over, and over, and over, and again. Pages and pages of this thread or any other thread can be laid out showing that what the Strong's Definition states herein above is tried and true. I will however bother you no more with the correct definitions here because your mind is apparently already made up as to what you would like to teach everyone.
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Not for nothing, but this is WHY I rely on the Holy Bible (the Written Word of God) and the Holy Spirit to guide and impart to me the Scriptures.  Considering how heavily these guys rely on the various reference materials of man, and given that daq himself admits that this particular reference source he mentions in the above comment can be or is "misleading", how much REAL consideration should we give to the reference source?  And, if the reference source is misleading, then would not the resulting comments be JUST as misleading?

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I have given much thought as to how best show daq, borntoreign and skmorris the "triune man."  What perfect example could I come up with that they could easily identify with and fully understand?  Then, much like a ton of bricks, it hit me!  THEM!  Yes, you are right, I said THEM!  What better way to explain the "triune man" than by using the "TRIUNE BROTHERHOOD?"  You see, daq, borntoreign and skmorris are surely three different entities, yet, they are AS ONE.  Three in one!  A triune if ever there was one.  Henceforth and forevermore they are to be known as the "Triune Brotherhood."

(yeah, a little tongue in cheek, but I'm tired of this  )

[BornToReign]

II Thes. 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessings

Yes, and that spirit is the same spirit of life given to us when we are born from above.


1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.




Blessings to you as well..... again

Genesis 2:7 KJV
And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

Job 12:10 KJV
In whose hand is the soul of every living thing, and the breath of all mankind.

Job 33:30 KJV
To bring back his soul from the pit, to be enlightened with the light of the living.

Psalm 56:13 KJV
For thou hast delivered my soul from death: wilt not thou deliver my feet from falling, that I may walk before God in the light of the living?

Psalm 84:2 KJV
My soul longeth , yea, even fainteth for the courts of the LORD: my heart and my flesh crieth out for the living God.

1 Corinthians 15:45 KJV
And so it is written , The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.

Revelation 16:3 KJV
And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.

Ezekiel 36:26 ESV
And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

[Talking Donkey]

John 3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Yeah, many teachers today do not know that either... the fact that when we are born again, it is not that we receive a spirit for the first time.  We are given a new spirit, the Holy Spirit. All men have a spirit, the spirit of man.  Christian get a new spirit, the Holy Spirit.

Ezek 11:19 And I will give them one heart, and I will put a new spirit within you; and I will take the stony heart out of their flesh, and will give them an heart of flesh:

Ezek 18:31 Cast away from you all your transgressions, whereby ye have transgressed; and make you a new heart and a new spirit: for why will ye die, O house of Israel?

Ezek 36:26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

Peace

[Talking Donkey]

1.  The spirit of man is not the soul of man. The spirit will always take the side of the Bible, that is how the word of God is capable of separating the spirit from the soul.

HEB 4:12  For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

1TH 5:23  And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole SPIRIT and SOUL and BODY be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.

ISA 57:16  For I will not contend for ever, neither will I be always wroth: for the spirit should fail before me, and the souls which I have made.

2.  The spirit of man is always in line with godliness, and that is why it is at war with the flesh.  The spirit will always take the side of the Bible, that is how the word of God is capable of separating the spirit from the soul.

GAL 5:17  For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

MAL 2:16  For the LORD, the God of Israel, saith that he hateth putting away: for one covereth violence with his garment, saith the LORD of hosts: therefore TAKE HEED TO YOUR SPIRIT, THAT YE DEAL NOT TREACHEROUSLY.

ISA 30:1  Woe to the rebellious children, saith the LORD, that take counsel, but not of me; and that cover with a covering, but not of my spirit, that they may add sin to sin:

PRO 20:27  The spirit of man is the candle of the LORD, searching all the inward parts of the belly.

3.  We are all born with a spirit that is different from the soul.  The spirit of man is what makes people feel guilty and cautions us not to do wrong (some more than others). Animals do not feel guilty.  People do, even those going to hell like Judas, feel guilty.

PRO 24:20  For there shall be no reward to the evil man; the candle of the wicked shall be put out.

JOB 18:5  Yea, the light of the wicked shall be put out, and the spark of his fire shall not shine. 

4.  When we are born again, God takes the spirit of man that was in us and he gives us his Holy Spirit instead.  This was prophesied in the OT and that is why Jesus asked Nicodemus: "You are a teacher in Israel and you do not know this?

[Talking Donkey]

Mt 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

Mk 8:36 For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?

Amen.