Tithing - A Criticism Answered

[Lively Stone]

1 Corinthian 16:1  Now concerning the collection for the saints, as I have given order to the churches of Galatia, even so do ye.

Notice, FOR THE SAINTS.  The collection was for the poor, not for some building, or salaries, etc.

For some, they may have given a tenth.  But tenth is not mentioned or inferred.

And notice in Matthew 23:23, Jesus did NOT say they should be tithing on their INCOME from their professions as teachers and lawyers.  Rather, the tithe came from the herbs - FOOD, and not from their income.

Now you're being a little extreme....

For how in the world can the Body of Christ be effective if it's struggling just to keep the lights on?

How can there be mission work in the community or the nations of the world unless there are finances 

How can Christians come to the aid of disaster victims unless there are finances

This is just common sense

If you don't want to tithe fine

and If you don't want to tithe in the church you attend, maybe you should find a church that God is using to advance His Kingdom, where you can see His Handiwork being accomplished ...good ground

I don't believe you will be cursed for not tithing

But I don't see where it ceased from being practiced either

In fact if you read Acts carefully it really seems that the believers probably went above and beyond the tithe

Point is the Body has work to do and in the real world that work requires finances

AMEN!

[garyarnold]

But I don't see where it ceased from being practiced either

All you have to do is a little research on the history of tithing in the Christian Church.

IN PURSUIT OF THE ALMIGHT'S DOLLAR: A History of Money and American
Protestantism by James Hudnut-Beumler.

A HISTORY OF TITHES by the Rev. Henry William Clarke, B.A.

NO Christian Church taught anyone to tithe on their income until around 1870.

Instead of making claims, do the research as I have done.

In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES.  The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law.  In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change.  Hebrews 7:18 is telling us that Numbers 18 was disannulled.  Numbers 18 established the Levitical priesthood, and part of that establishing included tithing.  When the Levitical priesthood ended (at Calvary, or at least in the year 70AD when the temple was destroyed), all laws that established that priesthood were canceled.  If Numbers 18 wasn't canceled, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

Tithing is OUT.  It is an INFERIOR method of giving.  Move up to the New Testament.  Pray and seek the Spirit in your giving.  The Spirit may lead you to give far more than a tenth, OR maybe the Spirit will lead you to give far less than a tenth.

Under the Old Testament law, the poor were partially supported by the tithe.  They didn't pay the tithe, they benefited from it.  NOT THE WAY it is taught in Church.  Why?  Because money has corrupted the Church.  The devil loves it.

[Lively Stone]

But I don't see where it ceased from being practiced either

All you have to do is a little research on the history of tithing in the Christian Church.

IN PURSUIT OF THE ALMIGHT'S DOLLAR: A History of Money and American
Protestantism by James Hudnut-Beumler.

A HISTORY OF TITHES by the Rev. Henry William Clarke, B.A.

NO Christian Church taught anyone to tithe on their income until around 1870.

Instead of making claims, do the research as I have done.

In the first nine verses of Hebrews 7 the words tenth or tithes appears SEVEN TIMES.  The ONLY place in the Bible, after Calvary, that tithing appears is in Hebrews 7.

In Hebrews 7:5 we are told that Levi (the Levites) took the tithes under the law.  In Hebrews 7:12 we are told that when the priesthood changes, the law will change.  Hebrews 7:18 is telling us that Numbers 18 was disannulled.  Numbers 18 established the Levitical priesthood, and part of that establishing included tithing.  When the Levitical priesthood ended (at Calvary, or at least in the year 70AD when the temple was destroyed), all laws that established that priesthood were canceled.  If Numbers 18 wasn't canceled, we would still be under the Levitical priesthood.

Tithing is OUT.  It is an INFERIOR method of giving.  Move up to the New Testament.  Pray and seek the Spirit in your giving.  The Spirit may lead you to give far more than a tenth, OR maybe the Spirit will lead you to give far less than a tenth.

Under the Old Testament law, the poor were partially supported by the tithe.  They didn't pay the tithe, they benefited from it.  NOT THE WAY it is taught in Church.  Why?  Because money has corrupted the Church.  The devil loves it.

That is false and convenient to your personal opinion.

[garyarnold]

That is false and convenient to your personal opinion.

Be specific.  What is false?

All you have given is personal opinion.  I have given scripture.

Now, what did I write that is false?  Give me a chance to either correct my mistakes, or prove that I am correct.

[Talking Donkey]

This thread is not about being good stewards.  This thread is about the lie going around that the Christian church is under a man-made law of 10% of our salary belonging to God to the point that if we keep it, it means we are robbing God and falling under a curse.

There is no verse to back that up.  They have to resort to: "I got a Rhema word!  God told me the tithing  law is in effect today and is true!"

It comes down to this... Who do you thrust?  To make people feel more generous at the time of giving?  Who do you thrust?  Do you believe telling them they are under the tithing law will cause them to be more generous than if we let the Holy Spirit tell them the truth and count on the love of God to do it?

If we count on God, he is far more powerful to move his people through love, than the law can move them through the fear of the law.

Peace

[garyarnold]

If we count on God, he is far more powerful to move his people through love, than the law can move them through the fear of the law.

Exactly.  And that is why pastors like John MacArthur do so well.

[Lively Stone]

This thread is not about being good stewards.  This thread is about the lie going around that the Christian church is under a man-made law of 10% of our salary belonging to God to the point that if we keep it, it means we are robbing God and falling under a curse.

There is no verse to back that up.  They have to resort to: "I got a Rhema word!  God told me the tithing  law is in effect today and is true!"

It comes down to this... Who do you thrust?  To make people feel more generous at the time of giving?  Who do you thrust?  Do you believe telling them they are under the tithing law will cause them to be more generous than if we let the Holy Spirit tell them the truth and count on the love of God to do it?

If we count on God, he is far more powerful to move his people through love, than the law can move them through the fear of the law.

Peace

Tithing is all about being a good steward of what is God's.

[garyarnold]

Tithing is all about being a good steward of what is God's.

Sounds like a broken record.

[Lively Stone]

Tithing is all about being a good steward of what is God's.

Sounds like a broken record.

The truth is like that for some when they deny it.

[garyarnold]

The truth is like that for some when they deny it.

You go ahead and think you are being a good steward by giving a tenth of your income.

I, on the other hand, will honor God by trying to be a good steward with 100% of my income.  God blesses all 100% of what He gives to me, NOT 90% after I give a tenth to Him.

God wants ME, not my money.  And He certainly does not want me to be giving money to any local church that teaches the false doctrine of tithing on one's income.  Giving money to false preachers is a sign of poor stewardship.

[Lively Stone]

The truth is like that for some when they deny it.

You go ahead and think you are being a good steward by giving a tenth of your income.

I, on the other hand, will honor God by trying to be a good steward with 100% of my income.  God blesses all 100% of what He gives to me, NOT 90% after I give a tenth to Him.

God wants ME, not my money.  And He certainly does not want me to be giving money to any local church that teaches the false doctrine of tithing on one's income.  Giving money to false preachers is a sign of poor stewardship.

Being a good steward one understands that all is His and we manage it according to God's principles. We do what pleases Him and He is pleased to bless it.

[Talking Donkey]

Where is the verse that says that to be a good stewart, people have to give at least 10% of their salary?

Where does the Bible define a good stewart as those that pass the 10% bar?

I know of two people that believe the tithing law passed away, one gives 9% of his salary to church, the other one gives 18% of his salary to Church.  Which of the two is a good Stewart?  I believe both are good starts and neither one is goes by the 10% rule.

Stop preaching the message that to be holy and spiritual, we need to believe there is a law of tithing in effect today.  That is nonsense.

Rom 12:4 For as we have many members in one body, and all members have not the same office:
5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.
6 Having then gifts differing according to the grace that is given to us, whether prophecy, let us prophesy according to the proportion of faith;
7 Or ministry, let us wait on our ministering: or he that teacheth, on teaching;
8 Or he that exhorteth, on exhortation: he that giveth, let him do it with simplicity; he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness.

That passage says it is wrong to judge all the members based on how well we do in one gift.  There is such a thing as the gift of giving.  That should be clear to any church treasurer.

Peace

[Lively Stone]

There is no message that to be holy and spiritual one must tithe. No one should be giving or tithing to get. To say that is being preached by anyone here is a total fabrication, and who knows where in oneself that comes?

Seems to me it is hypocritical to judge those who tithe with the same broad brush as you think tithers judge you---but don't.

Yes, there is a spiritual gift of giving generously. Church treasurers are not the only ones who can see it.

[Talking Donkey]

There is no message that to be holy and spiritual one must tithe. No one should be giving or tithing to get.

Seems to me it is hypocritical to judge those who tithe with the same broad brush as you think tithers judge you---but don't.

No?
Those that tithe trust God
Tithing is about being good Stewarts
Those that tithe are the ones that know God owns it all
Those that do not tithe are missing a blessing
Etc....

And yes, it is hypocritical indeed, the difference is that people with good character admit they did wrong, and the people with bad character will never say..... My bad.  I admit it.  I am a hypocrite.

Talking donkey.

[Jaime]

I think each of us knows when we have given as God would desire, whether it is 5% or 15%. It isn't for others to judge, and I don't believe it is a quid pro quo deal from God, but I do believe he blesses cheerful giving. I personally use 10% as a goal because left unto myself, I would be cheerful with giving a whole lot less. I think it ought to be sacrificial. If 10% is not sacrificial to me, testing me and my dependence on God, I would probably want to re-evaluate. Everybody else has to reconcile their own giving. I believe we ought to give with purpose and forethought, setting aside our portion to God first instead of IF there is any money left.

Plus if a person gives seemingly generous of his money and is miserly or stingy with his time, that might be a problem.

[Lively Stone]

There is no message that to be holy and spiritual one must tithe. No one should be giving or tithing to get.

Seems to me it is hypocritical to judge those who tithe with the same broad brush as you think tithers judge you---but don't.

No?
Those that tithe trust God
Tithing is about being good Stewarts
Those that tithe are the ones that know God ones it all
Those that do not tithe are missing a blessing
Etc....

And yes, it is hypocritical indeed, the difference is that people with good character admit they did wrong, and the people with bad character will never say..... My bad.  I admit it.  I am a hypocrite.

Talking donkey.

Tithers trust God with everything---it shows God that. Tithers are good stewards of what God enables them to receive monetarily. Those who tithe are understanding that God owns it all. Those who reject tithing are indeed missing out on the blessings associated with tithing. If one desires them, then they need to tithe.

Non-tithers are the only people who complain.

When I was a non-tither, the only thing I complained about was not being able to tithe, thinking myself a second class Christian. I was wrong. I was just as spiritually-minded, holy to God and was moving forward in my walk with Jesus Christ. After we began to tithe, we began to see definite changes in our financial picture and stability. Debt that was pretty bad was wiped out within 2 years, and financially we saw great increase. It has since waned in income, but the stability persists, knowing that every need we have---even sudden expensive needs---are completely taken care of by God's promised provision.  Because we have learned to trust God with all our money and lives, we do not succumb to worry but immediately know that He will provide...and He does.

[gospel]

There is no message that to be holy and spiritual one must tithe. No one should be giving or tithing to get.

Seems to me it is hypocritical to judge those who tithe with the same broad brush as you think tithers judge you---but don't.

No?
Those that tithe trust God
Tithing is about being good Stewarts
Those that tithe are the ones that know God ones it all
Those that do not tithe are missing a blessing
Etc....

And yes, it is hypocritical indeed, the difference is that people with good character admit they did wrong, and the people with bad character will never say..... My bad.  I admit it.  I am a hypocrite.

Talking donkey.

Tithers trust God with everything---it shows God that. Tithers are good stewards of what God enables them to receive monetarily. Those who tithe are understanding that God owns it all. Those who reject tithing are indeed missing out on the blessings associated with tithing. If one desires them, then they need to tithe.

Non-tithers are the only people who complain.

When I was a non-tither, the only thing I complained about was not being able to tithe, thinking myself a second class Christian. I was wrong. I was just as spiritually-minded, holy to God and was moving forward in my walk with Jesus Christ. After we began to tithe, we began to see definite changes in our financial picture and stability. Debt that was pretty bad was wiped out within 2 years, and financially we saw great increase. It has since waned in income, but the stability persists, knowing that every need we have---even sudden expensive needs---are completely taken care of by God's promised provision.  Because we have learned to trust God with all our money and lives, we do not succumb to worry but immediately know that He will provide...and He does.

There it is in a nutshell....very, very good Lively

Very well stated!

Manna!

[garyarnold]

There is no message that to be holy and spiritual one must tithe. No one should be giving or tithing to get. To say that is being preached by anyone here is a total fabrication, and who knows where in oneself that comes?

Yet, I quote from YOU:

We are to give as God leads, but tithing isn't giving. We give a gift and we can be as liberal as we choose, but we pay a tithe.

If it is paid, that means it is an obligation.  To me that infers you are treating tithing as being a law for Christians.

Giving is separate from the tithe. We are to do that, too.

Again, infers you think you are under the law.

It is the mark of absolute trust, as God says, to tithe.

So many Christians today fail to realize that God has asked and even commanded them to give and to tithe!

There we go - putting us under the law.  If we are commanded to tithe, it is a law.

God says we rob Him when we withhold from Him what is His.

Again, treating it as a law for Christians.

Those who are ignorant of tithing cannot be held accountable for it, and they are included with the disobedient in not receiving the special promises of God concerning the tithe.

If it is disobedient to not tithe, then tithing is a command, or law.  What happened to grace?

Those who make the loudest noise against tithing aren't trusting Him fully. Tithing is the ONE thing that God asks us to test Him in. Test Him and find Him faithful!

Wanna truly worship God? Tithe!

We were living under a curse for not tithing, under a great deal of debt and trouble. That trouble was certainly not the blessing of God! Within a few months of beginning to tithe, we were completely out of debt.

Do you not believe God's Word in Galatians 3:13 "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us...

[garyarnold]

Let's look at Malachi 3. First, who is God speaking to – the priests or the people?
We need to study the entire Book of Malachi rather than take a few verses out of context.

By the time we get to verse 6 in chapter 1, we see it is the priests that are being addressed at that point.

In both chapters 1 and 2 of Malachi there is a conversation going on between God and the priests. Every time the word "you" is used, it is referring to the priests. Chapter 3 continues with this conversation. In verse 5 God says "And I will come near to you to judgment....."  In the Old Testament, during this period of time and generally speaking, only the priests could get near to God. It is only in the New Testament that born again believers, you and I, can get close to God. So up to chapter 3 verse 5, God is speaking to the priests. The word "you" is still referring to the priests. There is nothing in the scripture to indicate this changes when you get to verse 8. But that's not all.

Read Numbers 18:29-30 and then read Malachi 1:14. Those verses explain robbing God of the offerings. The PRIESTS, not the people, robbed God of the offering by giving to God the worst instead of the best.

In Nehemiah 13 we are told that the priests stole the Levites portion of the tithe; therefore, they had no food to eat at the temple, and they went back to their own fields.

Therefore, taking the Levites portion of the tithe is the robbing God of the tithe. Or to put it another way, THE LEVITES WERE ROBBED. God said He was robbed because the tithe did not go where God directed.

Next, in Malachi 3:10 God says to bring all the tithes to the storehouse. The people took the tithes to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities, not to the temple. The Levites took the required tithe of the tithe to the temple. (See Nehemiah 10:37-38) Only those tithes ever made it to the temple. The priests then took those tithes to the storehouse. It only makes sense if God is speaking to the priests in this verse.

Since in Numbers 18 God makes it perfectly clear that the tithe belongs to Him, and He gave it to the Levites, anyone who takes God's tithe to their local church must also be robbing God since the Levites are not the ones getting it.

I see no way around this. Either the tithe ended per Hebrews 7:18, OR those who take God's tithe to their local church must be robbing God since God gave clear instructions where to take His tithe. There is nothing in God's Word to show that God ever changed those instructions. Therefore, the only conclusion I can reach is that taking a tithe to your local church is NOT paying the tithe to God. It is giving it to man. Nowhere in God's Word does He give permission for the Christian Church to receive His tithe.

If Malachi 3 is binding on Christians, IT MUST THEN BE A SIN AGAINST GOD to take God's tithe to your local church. IT MUST THEN BE A SIN for any pastor to accept God's tithe.

[gospel]

Let's look at Malachi 3. First, who is God speaking to – the priests or the people?
We need to study the entire Book of Malachi rather than take a few verses out of context.

By the time we get to verse 6 in chapter 1, we see it is the priests that are being addressed at that point.

In both chapters 1 and 2 of Malachi there is a conversation going on between God and the priests. Every time the word "you" is used, it is referring to the priests. Chapter 3 continues with this conversation. In verse 5 God says "And I will come near to you to judgment....."  In the Old Testament, during this period of time and generally speaking, only the priests could get near to God. It is only in the New Testament that born again believers, you and I, can get close to God. So up to chapter 3 verse 5, God is speaking to the priests. The word "you" is still referring to the priests. There is nothing in the scripture to indicate this changes when you get to verse 8. But that's not all.

Read Numbers 18:29-30 and then read Malachi 1:14. Those verses explain robbing God of the offerings. The PRIESTS, not the people, robbed God of the offering by giving to God the worst instead of the best.

In Nehemiah 13 we are told that the priests stole the Levites portion of the tithe; therefore, they had no food to eat at the temple, and they went back to their own fields.

Therefore, taking the Levites portion of the tithe is the robbing God of the tithe. Or to put it another way, THE LEVITES WERE ROBBED. God said He was robbed because the tithe did not go where God directed.

Next, in Malachi 3:10 God says to bring all the tithes to the storehouse. The people took the tithes to the Levites who lived in the Levitical cities, not to the temple. The Levites took the required tithe of the tithe to the temple. (See Nehemiah 10:37-38) Only those tithes ever made it to the temple. The priests then took those tithes to the storehouse. It only makes sense if God is speaking to the priests in this verse.

Since in Numbers 18 God makes it perfectly clear that the tithe belongs to Him, and He gave it to the Levites, anyone who takes God's tithe to their local church must also be robbing God since the Levites are not the ones getting it.

I see no way around this. Either the tithe ended per Hebrews 7:18, OR those who take God's tithe to their local church must be robbing God since God gave clear instructions where to take His tithe. There is nothing in God's Word to show that God ever changed those instructions. Therefore, the only conclusion I can reach is that taking a tithe to your local church is NOT paying the tithe to God. It is giving it to man. Nowhere in God's Word does He give permission for the Christian Church to receive His tithe.

If Malachi 3 is binding on Christians, IT MUST THEN BE A SIN AGAINST GOD to take God's tithe to your local church. IT MUST THEN BE A SIN for any pastor to accept God's tithe.

Then don't do it...the rest of us will bear the brunt of the financial burden for missions to Africa, Asia, South America, The Caribbeans, the prisons and the lean mean streets of America

You can tithe prayers...just by praying for us that the tithe is being used wisely and effectively in the forwarding of the Kingdom and that God's Will is being done reaching the lost and the downtrodden with The Love of God through Christ Jesus

Hows that? 

[garyarnold]

You can tithe prayers...just by praying for us that the tithe is being used wisely and effectively in the forwarding of the Kingdom and that God's Will is being done reaching the lost and the downtrodden with The Love of God through Christ Jesus

Hows that? 

My prayers are that God show you that tithing is not what He wants or expects from Christians.

Free-will giving, or sacrificial giving is what the New Testament teaches for Christians.  There is no percentage.  We are to seek the Spirit for our giving as well as all other areas of our finances and our lives.

I have no problem for those who wish to give a tenth of their income to the church or anywhere else.  I have a problem calling it a tithing as it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Biblical tithe.  Calling it tithing confuses those who can't distinguish between the Biblical tithe and free-will giving.

[gospel]

You can tithe prayers...just by praying for us that the tithe is being used wisely and effectively in the forwarding of the Kingdom and that God's Will is being done reaching the lost and the downtrodden with The Love of God through Christ Jesus

Hows that? 

My prayers are that God show you that tithing is not what He wants or expects from Christians.

Free-will giving, or sacrificial giving is what the New Testament teaches for Christians.  There is no percentage.  We are to seek the Spirit for our giving as well as all other areas of our finances and our lives.

I have no problem for those who wish to give a tenth of their income to the church or anywhere else.  I have a problem calling it a tithing as it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Biblical tithe.  Calling it tithing confuses those who can't distinguish between the Biblical tithe and free-will giving.

How about tithing, er-r-r I mean giving some time towards praying that the will of God to reach the lost and downtrodden is STILL being accomplished through what we THINK is tithing

After all those of us who THINK we are tithing are certainly not tithing to Satan

[garyarnold]

After all those of us who THINK we are tithing are certainly not tithing to Satan

You may or may not be right.  God isn't the author of confusion, yet there is a lot of confusion on the topic of tithing.  I personally know a few pastors who teach tithing KNOWING that their teaching goes against New Testament teaching.  They do it in order to BRING IN MORE MONEY.  That, my friend, is nothing but Satan's tricks.

Pastors who teach tithing lack faith that God will provide for His Church.  They are putting their trust in man to tithe rather than God.  Those pastors will tell YOU to tithe and for YOU to put your trust in God that He will provide.  Yet THEY don't put their trust in God to provide for them and the Church.

[Lively Stone]

You can tithe prayers...just by praying for us that the tithe is being used wisely and effectively in the forwarding of the Kingdom and that God's Will is being done reaching the lost and the downtrodden with The Love of God through Christ Jesus

Hows that? 

My prayers are that God show you that tithing is not what He wants or expects from Christians.

Free-will giving, or sacrificial giving is what the New Testament teaches for Christians.  There is no percentage.  We are to seek the Spirit for our giving as well as all other areas of our finances and our lives.

I have no problem for those who wish to give a tenth of their income to the church or anywhere else.  I have a problem calling it a tithing as it has absolutely NOTHING to do with the Biblical tithe.  Calling it tithing confuses those who can't distinguish between the Biblical tithe and free-will giving.

The meaning of the word, 'tithe' is 'tenth'. I have no problem with that. We tithe and we also give---two separate acts.

[garyarnold]

The meaning of the word, 'tithe' is 'tenth'. I have no problem with that. We tithe and we also give---two separate acts.

The HEBREW word translated into "tithe" in the Old Testament means a tenth.

HOWEVER, God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33, and in His definition He tells us what tenth He claims as His.  Not just a tenth of anything.

So can follow the Hebrew definition, or the definition in a modern-day dictionary, OR you can follow THE LORD'S DEFINITION.

I choose to follow the Lord's definition as as not to confuse what man is doing today with what God commanded.

YOU are not using God's definition, but still claim what you are doing is commanded by God.  YOU are CHANGING GOD'S WORD.

[Lively Stone]

The meaning of the word, 'tithe' is 'tenth'. I have no problem with that. We tithe and we also give---two separate acts.

The HEBREW word translated into "tithe" in the Old Testament means a tenth.

HOWEVER, God defined His tithe in Leviticus 27:30-33, and in His definition He tells us what tenth He claims as His.  Not just a tenth of anything.

So can follow the Hebrew definition, or the definition in a modern-day dictionary, OR you can follow THE LORD'S DEFINITION.

I choose to follow the Lord's definition as as not to confuse what man is doing today with what God commanded.

YOU are not using God's definition, but still claim what you are doing is commanded by God.  YOU are CHANGING GOD'S WORD.

No. The command has not been rescinded or abolished. Through Jesus Christ it is established, and through it flows His life and His supernatural provision. He is the God-of-More-Than-Enough.

[garyarnold]

No. The command has not been rescinded or abolished. Through Jesus Christ it is established, and through it flows His life and His supernatural provision. He is the God-of-More-Than-Enough.

Then please QUOTE THE SCRIPTURE where you find the command.  Otherwise, I suggest you stop spreading all the garbage.

Here are the 3 commands:

THE FIRST TITHE
Leviticus 27:30-33 defines this tithe as a tenth of crops and animals in herds and flocks.
Numbers 18 gives the ordinances, or instructions, for this tithe, and commands this tithe be taken to the Levites.
Purpose of this tithe:  to support the Levitical Priesthood.

SECOND TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:22-27: aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.
Purpose of this tithe:  "that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always

[gospel]

No. The command has not been rescinded or abolished. Through Jesus Christ it is established, and through it flows His life and His supernatural provision. He is the God-of-More-Than-Enough.

Then please QUOTE THE SCRIPTURE where you find the command.  Otherwise, I suggest you stop spreading all the garbage.

Here are the 3 commands:

THE FIRST TITHE
Leviticus 27:30-33 defines this tithe as a tenth of crops and animals in herds and flocks.
Numbers 18 gives the ordinances, or instructions, for this tithe, and commands this tithe be taken to the Levites.
Purpose of this tithe:  to support the Levitical Priesthood.

SECOND TITHE
Deuteronomy 14:22-27: aka The Festival Tithe - a tenth of crops, plus add to that the firstborn animals, and take for the yearly feast.
Purpose of this tithe:  "that thou mayest learn to fear the LORD thy God always

[Lively Stone]

I agree with God in all mentions of the tithe. It was established in men's hearts to tithe to God before the law came, and it continues to this day.

There is no ignorance in me of Scripture, nor of God, so your accusation falls pretty flat.

[garyarnold]

It was established in men's hearts to tithe to God before the law came, and it continues to this day.

Oh, really?  Does the scripture say that God put it in Abram's heart to tithe?  Are you aware that Biblical historians say that during the days of Abraham it was CUSTOM to give a tenth of war spoils to the king?

You tithing teachers are all the same.  You just make it up to fit your agenda.

[Lively Stone]

It was established in men's hearts to tithe to God before the law came, and it continues to this day.

Oh, really?  Does the scripture say that God put it in Abram's heart to tithe?  Are you aware that Biblical historians say that during the days of Abraham it was CUSTOM to give a tenth of war spoils to the king?

You tithing teachers are all the same.  You just make it up to fit your agenda.

Yes, really.

I am not a 'tithing teacher', but I am a child of the King. I don't make up things, nor do I have any agenda. It's not my thread.

I share what God has lovingly and patiently shown me. It is yours to choose to reject it or receive it, but to criticize and mock is not of God and He will deal with that nonsense.

[gospel]

It was established in men's hearts to tithe to God before the law came, and it continues to this day.

Oh, really?  Does the scripture say that God put it in Abram's heart to tithe?  Are you aware that Biblical historians say that during the days of Abraham it was CUSTOM to give a tenth of war spoils to the king?

You tithing teachers are all the same.  You just make it up to fit your agenda.

So now just to make a point you're discounting Melchizedek?

If so this is a good time to suggest that you should probably consider taking a break
and slow your roll 

Seriously!

Hebrews 7:3 Without father or mother, without genealogy, without beginning of days or end of life, like the Son of God he remains a priest forever.

[garyarnold]

So now just to make a point you're discounting Melchizedek?

I have discounted Melchizedek.  I merely said that it was custom to give a tenth of war spoils to the king.  The Word, itself, doesn't tell us WHY Abram gave the tenth.  In fact, under the law, God didn't require a tenth of war spoils to be given or paid.  So what Abram did wasn't even carried forward into the law.

You want to take a ONE-TIME recorded event and say that it was established in men's hearts to tithe to God before the law.

[garyarnold]

Isn't it odd that even though Abram gave a tenth directly to Melchizedek, the king/priest, that some Christians think they can give directly to God by giving it to their pastor?

I find it quite offensive that pastors have appointed themselves to be the receiver of what belongs to God.  After all, the pastor says the tithe belongs to God.  Then he appoints himself to receive the tithe!!!

God never gave any pastor or church permission to receive his tithe.  God commanded His tithe be taken to the Levites, FOREVER, in Numbers 18.

Since the tithe belongs to God, if a pastor accepts it isn't he stealing it from God?

Hebrews 7:7 (KJV)  "And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.

[gospel]

So now just to make a point you're discounting Melchizedek?

I have discounted Melchizedek.  I merely said that it was custom to give a tenth of war spoils to the king.  The Word, itself, doesn't tell us WHY Abram gave the tenth.  In fact, under the law, God didn't require a tenth of war spoils to be given or paid.  So what Abram did wasn't even carried forward into the law.

You want to take a ONE-TIME recorded event and say that it was established in men's hearts to tithe to God before the law.

Dear Sir ....Melchizedek is a type of Christ or hadn't you noticed that in your zeal to debunk the tithe

Hebrews 7:2 and Abraham gave him a tenth of everything. First, his name means "king of righteousness"; then also, "king of Salem" means "king of peace.