Matthew 28:16-20

[Jimmy]

Jimmy, you need to put away those books of yours and get you some indwelling Holy Spirit  teachings.

I'll tell ya right now, straight out, you truly don't see or understand the truth of God's Word, if you believe all that you wrote in your above post.

Line upon line, precept upon precept.  You need to take the whole counsel of God together, not build erroneous doctrine on bits and pieces, here and there.

Blessings

[What Jesus said in John 16:13 was spoken to the eleven.  No one else was in the audience.  When he said "he [the Spirit of truth] will guide ....he will show you things to come."  Jesus was not speaking to you or me.  Do not expect the Holy Spirit to give you the power of prophecy or to show you all things.  Jesus spoke that to eleven men.  That does not address either you or me directly.  It was given to the eleven plus Paul the apostle and presumably Mathias.  You can not assume the authority Jesus gave to the apostles.  

John 16:17  Then said some of his disciples among themselves...

John16:29  His disciples said unto him...

John 16:31  Jesus answered them...

DISCIPLE - a learner, pupil

Blessings

Joyfulee,

You need to engage a few books or someone to help you in your studies here.  You apparently don't understand John's Gospel very well.  Chapter 13 begins the second half of the book of John and what has been called the "Book of the Passion".  No longer do we see Jesus in the public courts of the temple engaged in dialog with the crowd.  No longer do we see Jesus performing the mighty signs wonders and miracles.  Now He spends private time with His disciples, i.e., His 12 disciples, not just a crowd of followers. He spends this private time with the 12 leading up to His arrest, trials, crucifixion, burial and resurrection appearances.

One of the unique features here is the inclusion of the so-called "Farewell Discourses," or sometimes called the "Upper Room Discources".  These chapters contain a wealth of material not found in the other Gospels. About midway through chapter 13, Judas departs from the group.  From that point on through chapter 16 the material consists primarily of Jesus giving personal instructions to his disciples, i.e., the 11, concerning future events.  It is not a discussion between Jesus and any others except the eleven.  This is, after all, at the last supper.  Chapter 17 is of course the glorious prayer that Jesus offers up just before leaving the upper room with His disciples, again the eleven.

John 18:1  When Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the ravine of the Kidron, where there was a garden, into which He Himself entered, and His disciples.

Theses disciples are none other than the eleven who are later called the apostles.  I can't even imagine that you might find any biblical scholar that believed otherwise.

You berate me for books and "booklearning".  Please don't.  It says more about you than about me.

[Joyfullee]

Jimmy, you need to put away those books of yours and get you some indwelling Holy Spirit  teachings.

I'll tell ya right now, straight out, you truly don't see or understand the truth of God's Word, if you believe all that you wrote in your above post.

Line upon line, precept upon precept.  You need to take the whole counsel of God together, not build erroneous doctrine on bits and pieces, here and there.

Blessings

[What Jesus said in John 16:13 was spoken to the eleven.  No one else was in the audience.  When he said "he [the Spirit of truth] will guide ....he will show you things to come."  Jesus was not speaking to you or me.  Do not expect the Holy Spirit to give you the power of prophecy or to show you all things.  Jesus spoke that to eleven men.  That does not address either you or me directly.  It was given to the eleven plus Paul the apostle and presumably Mathias.  You can not assume the authority Jesus gave to the apostles.  

John 16:17  Then said some of his disciples among themselves...

John16:29  His disciples said unto him...

John 16:31  Jesus answered them...

DISCIPLE - a learner, pupil

Blessings

Joyfulee,

You need to engage a few books or someone to help you in your studies here.  You apparently don't understand John's Gospel very well.  Chapter 13 begins the second half of the book of John and what has been called the "Book of the Passion".  No longer do we see Jesus in the public courts of the temple engaged in dialog with the crowd.  No longer do we see Jesus performing the mighty signs wonders and miracles.  Now He spends private time with His disciples, i.e., His 12 disciples, not just a crowd of followers. He spends this private time with the 12 leading up to His arrest, trials, crucifixion, burial and resurrection appearances.

One of the unique features here is the inclusion of the so-called "Farewell Discourses," or sometimes called the "Upper Room Discources".  These chapters contain a wealth of material not found in the other Gospels. About midway through chapter 13, Judas departs from the group.  From that point on through chapter 16 the material consists primarily of Jesus giving personal instructions to his disciples, i.e., the 11, concerning future events.  It is not a discussion between Jesus and any others except the eleven.  This is, after all, at the last supper.  Chapter 17 is of course the glorious prayer that Jesus offers up just before leaving the upper room with His disciples, again the eleven.

John 18:1  When Jesus had spoken these words, He went forth with His disciples over the ravine of the Kidron, where there was a garden, into which He Himself entered, and His disciples.

Theses disciples are none other than the eleven who are later called the apostles.  I can't even imagine that you might find any biblical scholar that believed otherwise.

You berate me for books and "booklearning".  Please don't.  It says more about you than about me.

You can believe your book learning, or you can believe what God's Word actually says.  What you have chosen to believe and what God's Word states, are two different things.

You do have a choice.

I wasn't berrating you, I was just being straightforward and frank with you.

Get you some Holy Spirit teaching brother, truly.

Blessings

[yogi bear]

Joyfulle, Maybe the spirit brought Jimmy to this maybe you are not as good a judge as you think you are on who the spirit teaches what. Maybe It could be that you need to stop listening to self and let the spirit lead you. Just maybe you could be wrong on your understanding did you even think about that for just a second.

How can you say that because someone disagrees with your understanding that they are not lead by the spirit.

[Lively Stone]

Joyfulle, Maybe the spirit brought Jimmy to this maybe you are not as good a judge as you think you are on who the spirit teaches what. Maybe It could be that you need to stop listening to self and let the spirit lead you. Just maybe you could be wrong on your understanding did you even think about that for just a second.

How can you say that because someone disagrees with your understanding that they are not lead by the spirit.

The entire word and all of God's promises are for us, today---including the presence and the giftings of Holy Spirit. He is the Spirit of Jesus Christ, who is living in us and through us (as we allow Him to do so), and all the things He said to the disciples was preserved for us because they are for the CHURCH, which is His people in the world from the beginning until He comes again.

It is wrong to believe that the gifts of the Spirit were for the apostles only. All His gifts were manifest in all believers in the early Church and it continues to day, as I mentioned earlier---as we allow Him. Many people in their ignorance of the word and in their poor understanding stifle Him. That is why the Body of Christ can be so factious in certain areas.

When we allow the Spirit to guide us, we will have ever-increasing unity.

[yogi bear]

That was not what was said. What was said that the Apostles was given some gifts that others were not given like in the the spirit gives in measures he see fit for each person. Not all will get the same gifts. You need to read in context my dear sister.

Just saying.

[Joyfullee]

Joyfulle, Maybe the spirit brought Jimmy to this maybe you are not as good a judge as you think you are on who the spirit teaches what. Maybe It could be that you need to stop listening to self and let the spirit lead you. Just maybe you could be wrong on your understanding did you even think about that for just a second.

How can you say that because someone disagrees with your understanding that they are not lead by the spirit.

The Holy Spirit does not teach conflicting understanding of God's Word to His people.

No, I don't believe I'm wrong because I believe the indwelling Holy Spirit taught me or gave me that understanding.  It fits and is in context with the whole of God's Word. 

I'm sorry if I offended you and/or Jimmy, it was not my intent.

The truth is the truth and on this point, this teaching is not in line with God's Word.

The world is full of books and teachers, and without doubt they can be useful; but if that is where one is getting their spiritual "meat," or understanding of God's Word, or think they're attaining to spiritual maturity, they're missing the "spirit" of God's Word.

Many Christians with the gift of teaching run into that problem.

Blessings

[Lively Stone]

That was not what was said. What was said that the Apostles was given some gifts that others were not given like in the the spirit gives in measures he see fit for each person. Not all will get the same gifts. You need to read in context my dear sister.

Just saying.

Context is not the issue. The truth of the word of God is. God has made available all gifts to His people. There are people who in their lifetime of serving God will experience every gift.

There is nothing that Holy Spirit gives that is exclusive to any particular person or group.

So...whatever Jesus said to His special twelve (or eleven), He is saying to you and me, as His twenty-first century disciples.

[gospel]

[What Jesus said in John 16:13 was spoken to the eleven.  No one else was in the audience.  When he said "he [the Spirit of truth] will guide ....he will show you things to come."  Jesus was not speaking to you or me.  Do not expect the Holy Spirit to give you the power of prophecy or to show you all things.  Jesus spoke that to eleven men.  That does not address either you or me directly.  It was given to the eleven plus Paul the apostle and presumably Mathias.  You can not assume the authority Jesus gave to the apostles.  

Joyfullee is right!

You're so smart, so intelligent you've taught yourself right out of the very best blessings Jesus came to give all of us and that my friend is quite sad.

You literally think it was written as a good story, a good read for us and we are simply made privy to what Jesus gave the Apostles and are not ourselves partakers of the same blessings as them?  

Lets see what Peter says about that

God, who knows the heart, showed that he accepted them by giving the Holy Spirit to them, just as he did to us. Acts 15:8

Peter - an Apostle, one of the original 12, the one to whom Jesus said "feed my sheep" that Peter said God gave the gentiles the Holy Spirit JUST AS HE DID US!

Ok here is where you get to use the Greek/ Hebrew Lexicon to explain to us how JUST AS HE DID US means something other than JUST AS HE DID US

Check any translation you want they all say the same thing.

He made no distinction between us and them, for he purified their hearts by faith. Acts 15:9

Peter, an Apostle who walked with Jesus said God made NO DISTINCTION between US and THEM

Yes the us he is referring to is collectively The Jewish people, but please note Peter makes no distinction between The Apostles and the rest of the Jewish people that followed Christ.

In fact NO APOSTLE made a distinction of themselves as different than the average believer in fact they made it a point to teach against doing that. They were not special, in a special class, having some form of deity others could not access by the same faith as them.

You love to argue, and you love to argue against believers having access to the spiritual gifts of God .....So your next argument will have to be

The Holy Spirit was given differently to The Apostles than He was to mere everyday believers ...and again you're WRONG!

Who did Jesus appear to in a vision to send to Paul.... was it an Apostle?

NO!


In Damascus there was a disciple named Ananias. The Lord called to him in a vision, "Ananias!

[yogi bear]

Sister you need to read the word they way God had it recorder. Read what the Power gifts was for like raising the dead and such. See the end of Mark it tells you why those gift followed the new Church. It was for signs to authenticate them being of the Lord. At some point do you not think that that would have been accomplished. While we have gifts today we do not need all the gifts that were for something has served the purpose and is no longer needed to do what they were given for. If you disagree then I guess God could not accomplish his mission. He has not established his truths.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20 (KJV)

And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Acts 2:43 (KJV)

And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. Ac 5:12 (KJV)

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? Hebrews 2:4 (KJV)

[gospel]

That was not what was said. What was said that the Apostles was given some gifts that others were not given like in the the spirit gives in measures he see fit for each person. Not all will get the same gifts. You need to read in context my dear sister.

Just saying.

Jimmy's context is not the issue

Instead of his words you need to read the Word of God again, this time more carefully

You will find that YOU have like precious faith the same as Peter's and all the Apostles

How you, me or anyone operates in them depends upon our obedience and the measure of faith we apply out of what we have been given

See Romans 12:3-8

True there are giftings that come with an office but that is because the office requires them and DOES NOT mean no one but the Apostles have access to them

Philip had four unmarried daughters who had the ability to speak what God had revealed. Acts 21:9

Shall I continue?

There are many, many more examples

[Lively Stone]

Sister you need to read the word they way God had it recorder. Read what the Power gifts was for like raising the dead and such. See the end of Mark it tells you why those gift followed the new Church. It was for signs to authenticate them being of the Lord. At some point do you not think that that would have been accomplished. While we have gifts today we do not need all the gifts that were for something has served the purpose and is no longer needed to do what they were given for. If you disagree then I guess God could not accomplish his mission. He has not established his truths.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20 (KJV)

And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Acts 2:43 (KJV)

And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. Ac 5:12 (KJV)

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? Hebrews 2:4 (KJV)

Sorry, but that is foolishness.

All the gifts are required and in operation today in the Body of Christ. The same needs they had in the early church are in existence today. Nothing has changed.

We still lay hands on the sick and they recover; we still speak in tongues and prophesy; we still raise the dead in Jesus' name; we still cast out demons in Jesus' name!

Those who deny it of course will not be part of the Body of Christ that functions as He desires in the world and the Church. It means that the other soldiers of Christ are out doing their part, while those that opt out slumber despite their Commander's orders.

[gospel]

Sister you need to read the word they way God had it recorder.

I'd say the same to you even more so, being well read is to no avail when you do not understand to well what you have read

Read what the Power gifts was for like raising the dead and such. See the end of Mark it tells you why those gift followed the new Church. It was for signs to authenticate them being of the Lord.

By the same token you are not exempt. When YOU go into the Amazon, when YOU go to China, When YOU go into India, When YOU go into Harlem, Watts or East Los Angeles

YOU need to be authenticated that YOU are being of the Lord!!!!

You can't go about just Talking head knowledge

You can't go to Kenya,the Sudan Iraq or Iran talking about a powerful God, a healing God and a God of miracles....

While you yourself do not have one drop or centilla of faith to believe God can heal the person standing in front of you that needs it

Those people will laugh you out of town while they ridicule our Faith and the Bible you read from

While we have gifts today we do not need all the gifts that were for something has served the purpose and is no longer needed to do what they were given for. If you disagree then I guess God could not accomplish his mission. He has not established his truths.

You seriously do not know what you are talking about

God is not dead

God Lives in YOU, ME and ALL who have accepted Jesus

He is the same God

He is able to do the Same things

The only variance of strength or weak link in the equation is YOUR FAITH

When you are sick can YOUR faith make YOU whole

Can YOUR prayer of faith heal the sick causing them to recover

[gospel]

Sister you need to read the word they way God had it recorder. Read what the Power gifts was for like raising the dead and such. See the end of Mark it tells you why those gift followed the new Church. It was for signs to authenticate them being of the Lord. At some point do you not think that that would have been accomplished. While we have gifts today we do not need all the gifts that were for something has served the purpose and is no longer needed to do what they were given for. If you disagree then I guess God could not accomplish his mission. He has not established his truths.

And they went forth, and preached every where, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen.
Mark 16:20 (KJV)

And fear came upon every soul: and many wonders and signs were done by the apostles.
Acts 2:43 (KJV)

And by the hands of the apostles were many signs and wonders wrought among the people; (and they were all with one accord in Solomon's porch. Ac 5:12 (KJV)

God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will? Hebrews 2:4 (KJV)

Sorry, but that is foolishness.

All the gifts are required and in operation today in the Body of Christ. The same needs they had in the early church are in existence today. Nothing has changed.

We still lay hands on the sick and they recover; we still speak in tongues and prophesy; we still raise the dead in Jesus' name; we still cast out demons in Jesus' name!

Those who deny it of course will not be part of the Body of Christ that functions as He desires in the world and the Church. It means that the other soldiers of Christ are out doing their part, while those that opt out slumber despite their Commander's orders.

Manna to you and Joyfullee for not allowing doubt and unbelief to dilute and compromise your faith

If some prefer to exclude themselves from the blessings...so be it, all we can do is present the truth to them and at that we have done our part

[gospel]

Joyfulle, Maybe the spirit brought Jimmy to this maybe you are not as good a judge as you think you are on who the spirit teaches what. Maybe It could be that you need to stop listening to self and let the spirit lead you. Just maybe you could be wrong on your understanding did you even think about that for just a second.

How can you say that because someone disagrees with your understanding that they are not lead by the spirit.

Simple...

The Spirit of God would not lead someone to deny Him.

The Spirit of God would not lead someone to say He cannot heal through them because they are not an Apostle

The Spirit of God would not lead anyone to say gifts have ceased because 12 mortal men are dead

The Spirit of God WOULD lead you to understand that God moves in the lives of any person who has the Faith to Believe

Maybe without realizing it, thinking you are doing something for God, you are actually participating in hindering Him, unwittingly seeking to quench The Power of God, His Holy Spirit in others simply because you deny it of yourself

Out of 120 who were in the Upper Room I'm sure you cannot name more than 14 or so...

The fact of the matter is all of them were imbued with Power and went everywhere spreading the Gospel doing the work of the ministry...

...12 people did not do it by themselves, 12 people did not spread the Gospel and establish the 1st century church by themselves

If you read carefully when the Apostles arrived in some places there were already believers and meetings being held before they got there

That's because people who have gone un-named went every where teaching the Gospel

[daq]

OP:
3. How is this to be carried out?

Apparently it begins with a DRINK! (of Living Water)  

This is by far the best answer that has been given.  However the answer to question 2 is not quite right.  In verses 19 and 20 only "go" and "make disciples" are commands. Grammatically, "baptizing" and "teaching" are not commands as such, but in fact are modifiers to the command "make disciples".  Jesus is not telling the eleven to make disciples and then baptize them and teach them; rather Jesus is telling the eleven how to make disciples.  He didn't tell them to make disciples and then baptize and teach them; instead He told them how to make disciples.

Suppose I had a roof that had been damaged in one way or another or it was just getting old and needed some upkeep.  I might call a roofing contractor to give me and estimate of what it would cost.  I might tell him, "I want you to fix my roof, inspecting it completely, replacing any rotted or otherwise damaged wood and putting new shingles on the entire roof." Grammatically, "inspecting", "replacing" and "putting" are modifiers describing what I mean by "fix",  It is a description of what how to fix the roof.

"Go, baptizing" is a complete command that tells the disciples to do two things.

If the courts took your understanding of the mandate, you would not have a leg to stand on in court should your errant roofer ignore the inclusions.

Lively,

I am sorry but you are wrong.  It has nothing to do with courts.  It really doesn't have anything to do with theology.  It is just plain good old high school English grammar.  Something that I am not sure they even bother to teach anymore.  And in this case it is good old Greek grammar as well.

I am gifted in grammar and have worked as a literary editor. Believe me, 'baptizing' is in a future progressive tense and can be used in an imperative. That is what this is.

Matthew 13:52
52.  Then said he unto them, Therefore every SCRIBE (GSN#1122) which is DISCIPLED (GSN#3100) INTO (GSN#1519 "eis") the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an HOUSEMASTER, (GSN#3617) which bringeth forth out of his thesaurus-treasure things new and old.

Strong's Greek Definition for #1122
1122 // grammateuv // grammateus // gram-mat-yooce' //
from 1121 ; TDNT - 1:740,127; n m
AV - scribe 66, townclerk 1; 67
1) a clerk, scribe, esp.a public servant, secretary, recorder,
whose office and influence differed in different states
2) in the Bible, a man learned in the Mosaic law and in the sacred
writings, an interpreter, teacher. Scribes examined the more
difficult and subtle questions of the law; added to the Mosaic
law decisions of various kinds thought to elucidate its meaning
and scope, and did this to the detriment of religion. Since the
advice of men skilled in the law was needed in the examination in
the causes and the solution of the difficult questions, they were
enrolled in the Sanhedrin; and are mentioned in connection with
the priests and elders of the people. See a Bible Dictionary for
more information on the scribes.
3) a religious teacher: so instructed that from his learning and
ability to teach advantage may redound to the kingdom of heaven.
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/ref/?stgh=greek&stnm=1122

Original Strong's Ref. #3100
Romanized  matheteuo
Pronounced math-ayt-yoo'-o
from GSN3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar:
KJV--be disciple, instruct, teach.

Original Strong's Ref. #3101
Romanized  mathetes
Pronounced math-ay-tes'
from GSN3129; a learner, i.e. pupil:
KJV--disciple.

Original Strong's Ref. #3617
Romanized  oikodespotes
Pronounced oy-kod-es-pot'-ace
from GSN3624 and GSN1203; the head of a family:
KJV--goodman (of the house), householder, master of the house.

Scribes, the "grammatically gifted" (and anyone else) can someone kindly point out the Old Testament passage where the following phrase is written? Yeshua clearly states; "AS THE SCIPTURE HATH SAID" before he quotes it. It does not necessarily need to be one of the following translations, any English translation will suffice:

John 7:37-39 KJV
37.  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38.  He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39.  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

John 7:37-39 YGB
37.  And in the last, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, 'If any one doth thirst, let him come unto me and drink;
38.  he who is believing in me, according as the Writing said, Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water;'
39.  and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Where is this written in the Old Testament?  
"Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water ..."
"Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water ..."

"With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation."  -Isaiah 12:3

"The words of a man's mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook."  -Proverbs 18:4

Then he brought me back to the entrance of the house, and I saw water flowing eastward from under the threshold of the house, for the house faced east. The water flowed down from under the right side of the house, south of the altar.  -Ezekiel 47:1

Ezekiel 47 is part of the answer because it concerns the baptism of the disciple of Yeshua INTO the Water IN the Word. This is why when recently asked point blank: "how would you carry out the commands given in Matthew 28:19-20?" The response was that I would begin at the "ankle level" (if it were all up to me; which it is not because one plants, another waters, another harvests, etc.,) but apparently no one understood what was said. As stated elsewhere: true baptism is a process which takes place over time and is comprised of more than a single baptismal event. In the Ezekiel passage that timeline is portrayed as "cubits" and begins at the "shoreline" where the water is at the level of the "ankles" as a willing disciple enters into the River of the Water of Life. As the disciple wades further along the timeline, (cubits) the river gets deeper and deeper until no man may cross over it at his own will. It is at this point that a decision is made to either continue onwards relinquishing control or to turn back. "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him, (saith YHWH). But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" (Heb.10:38-39).

The disciple who willingly continues must forfeit his own will, doctrines, tenants, theologies, teachings of men, and in faith must trust the flow of the River of the Water of the Word of Life. These are they who by faith "follow the Lamb withersoever he goeth" (Rev.14:4).

Ezekiel 47:1-9 KJV
1.  Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2.  Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3.  And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ancles.
4.  Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5.  Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6.  And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7.  Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8.  Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9.  And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

Ezekiel Temple ~ Body of Meshiach


Hebrews 10:5-7
5.  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, "Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou fitted-framed me:
6.  In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7.  Then said I, Lo, I come, in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God."

Revelation 22:1-22 KJV
1.  And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2.  In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

However: the John 7:38 reference is not found in Ezekiel...

[daq]

OP:
3. How is this to be carried out?

Apparently it begins with a DRINK! (of Living Water) 

This is by far the best answer that has been given.  However the answer to question 2 is not quite right.  In verses 19 and 20 only "go" and "make disciples" are commands. Grammatically, "baptizing" and "teaching" are not commands as such, but in fact are modifiers to the command "make disciples".  Jesus is not telling the eleven to make disciples and then baptize them and teach them; rather Jesus is telling the eleven how to make disciples.  He didn't tell them to make disciples and then baptize and teach them; instead He told them how to make disciples.

Suppose I had a roof that had been damaged in one way or another or it was just getting old and needed some upkeep.  I might call a roofing contractor to give me and estimate of what it would cost.  I might tell him, "I want you to fix my roof, inspecting it completely, replacing any rotted or otherwise damaged wood and putting new shingles on the entire roof." Grammatically, "inspecting", "replacing" and "putting" are modifiers describing what I mean by "fix",  It is a description of what how to fix the roof.

"Go, baptizing" is a complete command that tells the disciples to do two things.

If the courts took your understanding of the mandate, you would not have a leg to stand on in court should your errant roofer ignore the inclusions.

Lively,

I am sorry but you are wrong.  It has nothing to do with courts.  It really doesn't have anything to do with theology.  It is just plain good old high school English grammar.  Something that I am not sure they even bother to teach anymore.  And in this case it is good old Greek grammar as well.

I am gifted in grammar and have worked as a literary editor. Believe me, 'baptizing' is in a future progressive tense and can be used in an imperative. That is what this is.

Matthew 13:52
52.  Then said he unto them, Therefore every SCRIBE (GSN#1122) which is DISCIPLED (GSN#3100) INTO (GSN#1519 "eis") the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an HOUSEMASTER, (GSN#3617) which bringeth forth out of his thesaurus-treasure things new and old.

Strong's Greek Definition for #1122
1122 // grammateuv // grammateus // gram-mat-yooce' //
from 1121 ; TDNT - 1:740,127; n m
AV - scribe 66, townclerk 1; 67
1) a clerk, scribe, esp.a public servant, secretary, recorder,
whose office and influence differed in different states
2) in the Bible, a man learned in the Mosaic law and in the sacred
writings, an interpreter, teacher. Scribes examined the more
difficult and subtle questions of the law; added to the Mosaic
law decisions of various kinds thought to elucidate its meaning
and scope, and did this to the detriment of religion. Since the
advice of men skilled in the law was needed in the examination in
the causes and the solution of the difficult questions, they were
enrolled in the Sanhedrin; and are mentioned in connection with
the priests and elders of the people. See a Bible Dictionary for
more information on the scribes.
3) a religious teacher: so instructed that from his learning and
ability to teach advantage may redound to the kingdom of heaven.
http://www.apostolic-churches.net/bible/strongs/ref/?stgh=greek&stnm=1122

Original Strong's Ref. #3100
Romanized  matheteuo
Pronounced math-ayt-yoo'-o
from GSN3101; intransitively, to become a pupil; transitively, to disciple, i.e. enrol as scholar:
KJV--be disciple, instruct, teach.

Original Strong's Ref. #3101
Romanized  mathetes
Pronounced math-ay-tes'
from GSN3129; a learner, i.e. pupil:
KJV--disciple.

Original Strong's Ref. #3617
Romanized  oikodespotes
Pronounced oy-kod-es-pot'-ace
from GSN3624 and GSN1203; the head of a family:
KJV--goodman (of the house), householder, master of the house.

Scribes, the "grammatically gifted" (and anyone else) can someone kindly point out the Old Testament passage where the following phrase is written? Yeshua clearly states; "AS THE SCIPTURE HATH SAID" before he quotes it. It does not necessarily need to be one of the following translations, any English translation will suffice:

John 7:37-39 KJV
37.  In the last day, that great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink.
38.  He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.
39.  (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

John 7:37-39 YGB
37.  And in the last, the great day of the feast, Jesus stood and cried, saying, 'If any one doth thirst, let him come unto me and drink;
38.  he who is believing in me, according as the Writing said, Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water;'
39.  and this he said of the Spirit, which those believing in him were about to receive; for not yet was the Holy Spirit, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Where is this written in the Old Testament? 
"Out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water ..."
"Rivers out of his belly shall flow of living water ..."

"With joy you will draw water from the wells of salvation."  -Isaiah 12:3

"The words of a man's mouth are deep waters; the fountain of wisdom is a bubbling brook."  -Proverbs 18:4

Then he brought me back to the entrance of the house, and I saw water flowing eastward from under the threshold of the house, for the house faced east. The water flowed down from under the right side of the house, south of the altar.  -Ezekiel 47:1

Ezekiel 47 is part of the answer because it concerns the baptism of the disciple of Yeshua INTO the Water IN the Word. This is why when recently asked point blank: "how would you carry out the commands given in Matthew 28:19-20?" The response was that I would begin at the "ankle level" (if it were all up to me; which it is not because one plants, another waters, another harvests, etc.,) but apparently no one understood what was said. As stated elsewhere: true baptism is a process which takes place over time and is comprised of more than a single baptismal event. In the Ezekiel passage that timeline is portrayed as "cubits" and begins at the "shoreline" where the water is at the level of the "ankles" as a willing disciple enters into the River of the Water of Life. As the disciple wades further along the timeline, (cubits) the river gets deeper and deeper until no man may cross over it at his own will. It is at this point that a decision is made to either continue onwards relinquishing control or to turn back. "Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him, (saith YHWH). But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul" (Heb.10:38-39).

The disciple who willingly continues must forfeit his own will, doctrines, tenants, theologies, teachings of men, and in faith must trust the flow of the River of the Water of the Word of Life. These are they who by faith "follow the Lamb withersoever he goeth" (Rev.14:4).

Ezekiel 47:1-9 KJV
1.  Afterward he brought me again unto the door of the house; and, behold, waters issued out from under the threshold of the house eastward: for the forefront of the house stood toward the east, and the waters came down from under from the right side of the house, at the south side of the altar.
2.  Then brought he me out of the way of the gate northward, and led me about the way without unto the utter gate by the way that looketh eastward; and, behold, there ran out waters on the right side.
3.  And when the man that had the line in his hand went forth eastward, he measured a thousand cubits, and he brought me through the waters; the waters were to the ancles.
4.  Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through the waters; the waters were to the knees. Again he measured a thousand, and brought me through; the waters were to the loins.
5.  Afterward he measured a thousand; and it was a river that I could not pass over: for the waters were risen, waters to swim in, a river that could not be passed over.
6.  And he said unto me, Son of man, hast thou seen this? Then he brought me, and caused me to return to the brink of the river.
7.  Now when I had returned, behold, at the bank of the river were very many trees on the one side and on the other.
8.  Then said he unto me, These waters issue out toward the east country, and go down into the desert, and go into the sea: which being brought forth into the sea, the waters shall be healed.
9.  And it shall come to pass, that every thing that liveth, which moveth, whithersoever the rivers shall come, shall live: and there shall be a very great multitude of fish, because these waters shall come thither: for they shall be healed; and every thing shall live whither the river cometh.

Ezekiel Temple ~ Body of Meshiach


Hebrews 10:5-7
5.  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, "Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou fitted-framed me:
6.  In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
7.  Then said I, Lo, I come, in the volume of the book it is written of me, to do thy will, O God."

Revelation 22:1-22 KJV
1.  And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.
2.  In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

However: the John 7:38 reference is not found in Ezekiel...

[JohnDB]

All RIghty then.

No more telling anyone that they need to study scriptures.

The Saducees died out a long time ago. (Famous for their greeting of "you know nothing at all")

[JohnDB]

"Woefully ignorant"?

Surely you missed my post above.

[Jaime]

Some may be woefully ignorant of the rules, JohnDB or just plain brazen I suspect.

[Jimmy]

That was not what was said. What was said that the Apostles was given some gifts that others were not given like in the the spirit gives in measures he see fit for each person. Not all will get the same gifts. You need to read in context my dear sister.

Just saying.

Context is not the issue. The truth of the word of God is. God has made available all gifts to His people. There are people who in their lifetime of serving God will experience every gift.

There is nothing that Holy Spirit gives that is exclusive to any particular person or group.

So...whatever Jesus said to His special twelve (or eleven), He is saying to you and me, as His twenty-first century disciples.

Context is certainly the issue here as it almost always is.

John 13:11  For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, "Not all of you are clean."

John 13:27  And after the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Jesus therefore *said to him, "What you do, do quickly."

I'll bet you don't think that was meant for you.  However, you can think Jesus meant that for you if you like.  As for me, I will continue to think that Jesus meant it for Judas.  And I will continue to think that what Jesus spoke to the rest of the eleven was meant for them as well, unless it says there or elsewhere in the Bible that it was meant for all.

[Lively Stone]

That was not what was said. What was said that the Apostles was given some gifts that others were not given like in the the spirit gives in measures he see fit for each person. Not all will get the same gifts. You need to read in context my dear sister.

Just saying.

Context is not the issue. The truth of the word of God is. God has made available all gifts to His people. There are people who in their lifetime of serving God will experience every gift.

There is nothing that Holy Spirit gives that is exclusive to any particular person or group.

So...whatever Jesus said to His special twelve (or eleven), He is saying to you and me, as His twenty-first century disciples.

Context is certainly the issue here as it almost always is.

John 13:11  For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, "Not all of you are clean."

John 13:27  And after the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Jesus therefore *said to him, "What you do, do quickly."

I'll bet you don't think that was meant for you.  However, you can think Jesus meant that for you if you like.  As for me, I will continue to think that Jesus meant it for Judas.  And I will continue to think that what Jesus spoke to the rest of the eleven was meant for them as well, unless it says there or elsewhere in the Bible that it was meant for all.

I don't know many Christians who would not admit to doing some soul searching due to that passage.

What He spoke to the eleven was recorded for us. We are privy to His words to His inner circle because He desires all of us to be His disciples and to do the works He did---and greater.

The entire word of God was preserved and conserved for you. Setting aside passages that encourage us in the gifts and command us to serve God fully with all the power with which He anoints us hinders a person and makes him or her a stumbling block.

We should be out there preaching and preaching and healing the sick, and casting our demons, but instead we must tend to those among us who will not accept their callings. It is a distraction to the Body. The enemy is pleased.

btw: context is not an issue in this difference of opinion.

[Jimmy]

That was not what was said. What was said that the Apostles was given some gifts that others were not given like in the the spirit gives in measures he see fit for each person. Not all will get the same gifts. You need to read in context my dear sister.

Just saying.

Context is not the issue. The truth of the word of God is. God has made available all gifts to His people. There are people who in their lifetime of serving God will experience every gift.

There is nothing that Holy Spirit gives that is exclusive to any particular person or group.

So...whatever Jesus said to His special twelve (or eleven), He is saying to you and me, as His twenty-first century disciples.

Context is certainly the issue here as it almost always is.

John 13:11  For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, "Not all of you are clean."

John 13:27  And after the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Jesus therefore *said to him, "What you do, do quickly."

I'll bet you don't think that was meant for you.  However, you can think Jesus meant that for you if you like.  As for me, I will continue to think that Jesus meant it for Judas.  And I will continue to think that what Jesus spoke to the rest of the eleven was meant for them as well, unless it says there or elsewhere in the Bible that it was meant for all.

I don't know many Christians who would not admit to doing some soul searching due to that passage.

What He spoke to the eleven was recorded for us. We are privy to His words to His inner circle because He desires all of us to be His disciples and to do the works He did---and greater.

The entire word of God was preserved and conserved for you. Setting aside passages that encourage us in the gifts and command us to serve God fully with all the power with which He anoints us hinders a person and makes him or her a stumbling block.

We should be out there preaching and preaching and healing the sick, and casting our demons, but instead we must tend to those among us who will not accept their callings. It is a distraction to the Body. The enemy is pleased.

btw: context is not an issue in this difference of opinion.

Please answer the question.  Does what Jesus said in John 13:11 apply to you, Lively? Please tell us why you believe it does or does not.  Your entire response in this thread depends upon your answer here.  You can not pick and choose what you want to be applicable to yourself and what you do not.  There must be a consistent basis for how you interpret the Scriptures.

BYW.  Context may not be the entire issue in this difference of opinion, but it certainly is at the heart of it.  How can it not?  Context is central to the interpretation of any and all conversation, whether verbal, in writing, in literature in general and most certainly in the Bible.

[Lively Stone]

That was not what was said. What was said that the Apostles was given some gifts that others were not given like in the the spirit gives in measures he see fit for each person. Not all will get the same gifts. You need to read in context my dear sister.

Just saying.

Context is not the issue. The truth of the word of God is. God has made available all gifts to His people. There are people who in their lifetime of serving God will experience every gift.

There is nothing that Holy Spirit gives that is exclusive to any particular person or group.

So...whatever Jesus said to His special twelve (or eleven), He is saying to you and me, as His twenty-first century disciples.

Context is certainly the issue here as it almost always is.

John 13:11  For He knew the one who was betraying Him; for this reason He said, "Not all of you are clean."

John 13:27  And after the morsel, Satan then entered into him. Jesus therefore *said to him, "What you do, do quickly."

I'll bet you don't think that was meant for you.  However, you can think Jesus meant that for you if you like.  As for me, I will continue to think that Jesus meant it for Judas.  And I will continue to think that what Jesus spoke to the rest of the eleven was meant for them as well, unless it says there or elsewhere in the Bible that it was meant for all.

I don't know many Christians who would not admit to doing some soul searching due to that passage.

What He spoke to the eleven was recorded for us. We are privy to His words to His inner circle because He desires all of us to be His disciples and to do the works He did---and greater.

The entire word of God was preserved and conserved for you. Setting aside passages that encourage us in the gifts and command us to serve God fully with all the power with which He anoints us hinders a person and makes him or her a stumbling block.

We should be out there preaching and preaching and healing the sick, and casting our demons, but instead we must tend to those among us who will not accept their callings. It is a distraction to the Body. The enemy is pleased.

btw: context is not an issue in this difference of opinion.

Please answer the question.  Does what Jesus said in John 13:11 apply to you, Lively? Please tell us why you believe it does or does not.  Your entire response in this thread depends upon your answer here.  You can not pick and choose what you want to be applicable to yourself and what you do not.  There must be a consistent basis for how you interpret the Scriptures.

BYW.  Context may not be the entire issue in this difference of opinion, but it certainly is at the heart of it.  How can it not?  Context is central to the interpretation of any and all conversation, whether verbal, in writing, in literature in general and most certainly in the Bible.

It applies to me in that I need to make sure I am clean before God and that I am not a hypocrite and betrayer as Judas was.

That is the consistency of how Holy Spirit speaks to me in Scripture.

[daq]

Also, ("yogi bear" and "Elihu") on the flip side of this "baptismal journey" are always those who stand at the banks of the river attempting to stop others from going into the deeper waters. These are like the scribes and Pharisees of whom Yeshua said: "Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in" (Matt.23:13). A true "Pharisee" is therefore not necessarily one who knows, (and understands) the Law but rather one who thinks he knows "what the Scripture saith" and forces his or her opinion upon everyone else. We are all guilty of the same at one time or another, however, we should each beware that we avoid this like plague because those who do this continually and consistently, (without any Scripture to support their doctrines and claims) are soon become enemies to the Truth for hindering others from entering into the deeper waters of the River. If one plants, another waters, and another harvests, etc., then it is a team effort so long as each one knows his place and all abide in the will of the Word in Spirit. However, if the "waterers" are stoning the "harvesters" when they arrive then chaos will ensue and the "Husbandman" will make the appropriate adjustments. Ezekiel prophesies concerning the waters of the rivers of "spiritual Egypt" and them that swim near the shallow banks of the rivers like dragons, (serpents) muddying the waters with their feet, (man) and their hooves, (cattle) and thus fouling the waters of the rivers for everyone else.

Ezekiel 32:1-2 KJV
1.  And it came to pass in the twelfth year, in the twelfth month, in the first day of the month, that the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2.  Son of man, take up a lamentation for Pharaoh king of Egypt, and say unto him, Thou art like a young lion of the nations, and thou art as a whale (HSN#8577 tanniyn) in the seas: and thou camest forth with thy rivers, and troubledst the waters with thy feet, and fouledst their rivers.

Original Strong's Ref. #8577
Romanized  tanniyn
Pronounced tan-neen'
or tanniym (Eze.29v3) {tan-neem'}; intensive from the same as HSN8565; a marine or land monster, i.e. sea-serpent or jackal:
KJV--dragon, sea-monster, serpent, whale.

This word is used of "Leviathan" (symbolic Satan-Adversary-Serpent).

Isaiah 27:1 KJV
1.  In that day the Lord with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon (HSN#8577 tanniyn) that is in the sea.

Continuing in Ezekiel 32 ~

Ezekiel 32:3-14 KJV
3.  Thus saith the Lord God; I will therefore spread out my net over thee with a company of many people; and they shall bring thee up in my net.
4.  Then will I leave thee upon the land, I will cast thee forth upon the open field, and will cause all the fowls of the heaven to remain upon thee, and I will fill the beasts of the whole earth with thee.
5.  And I will lay thy flesh upon the mountains, and fill the valleys with thy height.
6.  I will also water with thy blood the land wherein thou swimmest, even to the mountains; and the rivers shall be full of thee.
7.  And when I shall put thee out, I will cover the heaven, and make the stars thereof dark; I will cover the sun with a cloud, and the moon shall not give her light.
8.  All the bright lights of heaven will I make dark over thee, and set darkness upon thy land, saith the Lord God.
9.  I will also vex the hearts of many people, when I shall bring thy destruction among the nations, into the countries which thou hast not known.
10.  Yea, I will make many people amazed at thee, and their kings shall be horribly afraid for thee, when I shall brandish my sword before them; and they shall tremble at every moment, every man for his own life, in the day of thy fall.
11.  For thus saith the Lord God; The sword of the king of Babylon shall come upon thee.
12.  By the swords of the mighty will I cause thy multitude to fall, the terrible of the nations, all of them: and they shall spoil the pomp of Egypt, and all the multitude thereof shall be destroyed.
13.  I will destroy also all the beasts thereof from beside the great waters; neither shall the foot of man trouble them any more, nor the hoofs of beasts trouble them.
14.  Then will I make their waters deep, and cause their rivers to run like oil, saith the Lord God.

Jeremiah likens "spiritual Egypt" to a "fair heifer"
Her "hired men" are likened to "fatted calves-bullocks"

Jeremiah 46:18-22 KJV
18.  As I live, saith the King, whose name is the Lord of hosts, Surely as Tabor is among the mountains, and as Carmel by the sea, so shall he come.
19.  O thou daughter dwelling in Egypt, furnish thyself to go into captivity: for Noph shall be waste and desolate without an inhabitant.
20.  Egypt is like a very fair heifer, but destruction cometh; it cometh out of the north.
21.  Also her hired men are in the midst of her like fatted bullocks; for they also are turned back, and are fled away together: they did not stand, because the day of their calamity was come upon them, and the time of their visitation.
22.  The voice thereof shall go like a serpent; for they shall march with an army, and come against her with axes, as hewers of wood.

The same is the wayward son of the parable of the "Prodigal Son" who was forced into becoming a slave or hired-servant after squandering his inheritance in a foreign land. The wayward son then "joined himself" to a "citizen of that country" (Luke 15:15) which sent him into his fields to feed the swine. And when the wayward son came to his senses and returned home the Father slew the "fatted calf" which his son had "joined himself" to in his idolatry, (truly an attribute of a loving Father). 

[yogi bear]

Lively,
Lets put on our reasoning hat for just a second and us our heads for something beside a head rack.
God did not give all gifts to all. The only gift that God gave to all is the indwelling Spirit itself. See Acts 2:38,39

Acts 2:2-4 was an empowerment which had a purpose. See Acts 1:8
Now this was  given only to the Apostles see Acts 2:43, Acts 5:12 and many other which show that it was the Apostles that had the power given them it the manner of Acts 2:

Any other time one received the power it was bu the hands of one of the Apostles (transfer of power by laying on of hands) but still only given to few to further carry out  the establishing of the new church see Acts 6:1-7  Acts 8:14-17 Acts 19:1-7

Acts 19:1-7 is of most interest because it tells of Johns baptism of water being fulfilled in Jesus and by which giving of the indwelling spirit was added but the power still having to be transferred by  laying on of hands.

One more thought when the spirit fell on Cornelius Peter had to look back all the way to acts 2 for like occurrence. He did not say refer to the Samaritans or others that came after but all the way back to themselves in Acts 2:

Just a little tidbit of truth we may all ponder on.
Let the scriptures tell the truth.
Let the word of our most Holy Father speak the thought he wishes to convey.
Let the scriptures speak for them selves.
It says what it says.
He who has ears to hear let him hear what the scriptures are saying.

How is that Gospel following your lead good am I.

[Joyfullee]

Lively,
Lets put on our reasoning hat for just a second and us our heads for something beside a head rack.
God did not give all gifts to all. The only gift that God gave to all is the indwelling Spirit itself. See Acts 2:38,39

Acts 2:2-4 was an empowerment which had a purpose. See Acts 1:8
Now this was  given only to the Apostles see Acts 2:43, Acts 5:12 and many other which show that it was the Apostles that had the power given them it the manner of Acts 2:

Any other time one received the power it was bu the hands of one of the Apostles (transfer of power by laying on of hands) but still only given to few to further carry out  the establishing of the new church see Acts 6:1-7  Acts 8:14-17 Acts 19:1-7

Acts 19:1-7 is of most interest because it tells of Johns baptism of water being fulfilled in Jesus and by which giving of the indwelling spirit was added but the power still having to be transferred by  laying on of hands.

One more thought when the spirit fell on Cornelius Peter had to look back all the way to acts 2 for like occurrence. He did not say refer to the Samaritans or others that came after but all the way back to themselves in Acts 2:

Just a little tidbit of truth we may all ponder on.
Let the scriptures tell the truth.
Let the word of our most Holy Father speak the thought he wishes to convey.
Let the scriptures speak for them selves.
It says what it says.
He who has ears to hear let him hear what the scriptures are saying.

How is that Gospel following your lead good am I.

1 Cor. 12

1  Now concerning spiritual gifts brethren, I would not have you ignorant.

4  Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.

5  And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6  And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9  To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another diverse kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

27  Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28  And God has set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

29  Are all apostles?  are all prophets?  are all teachers?  are all workers of miracles?

30  Have all the gifts of healings? do all speak with tongues?  do all interpret?


Blessings

[yogi bear]

Exactly that is what I am saying.The Spirit gives gifts accordingly, but not all get the same gifts. We are given the gifts that we need to carry out our role in the kingdom, but does not mean we will get all the gifts. God works through each of us how ever he sees fit, but gifts were for a reason, and some of the reasons are established in this land, so not all gifts are needed, so we will be gifted with different gifts than others.
Context is needed to fully understand the passages, those you quote, were to discipline in understanding of gifts. Context girl, read what it say not what you assume. Let the scripture speaks for itself. 
Read what God has said, not just what we think, but what God has had written down for use to hear.

[JohnDB]

Pr 2:1-6
My son, if you accept my words and store up my commands within you, turning your ear to wisdom and applying your heart to understanding,and if you call out for insight and cry aloud for understanding, and if you look for it as for silver and search for it as for hidden treasure, then you will understand the fear of the LORD and find the knowledge of God. For the LORD gives wisdom, and from his mouth come knowledge and understanding.


Just so I can be ornery.  


But more realistically...lets look at the New Testament model...and as always the lists that are made here are increasing or more in a fashion...

Ac 2:42-46 They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.  Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,


Obviously from what is going on in this forum...somewhere this NT church is missing something.

[Joyfullee]

Exactly that is what I am saying.The Spirit gives gifts accordingly, but not all get the same gifts. We are given the gifts that we need to carry out our role in the kingdom, but does not mean we will get all the gifts. God works through each of us how ever he sees fit, but gifts were for a reason, and some of the reasons are established in this land, so not all gifts are needed, so we will be gifted with different gifts than others.
Context is needed to fully understand the passages, those you quote, were to discipline in understanding of gifts. Context girl, read what it say not what you assume. Let the scripture speaks for itself. 
Read what God has said, not just what we think, but what God has had written down for use to hear.

ALL of God's gifts are always needed and will continue to be needed until Jesus returns.

7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

27  Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

28  And God has set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues.

What you seem to be missing is that any one of these gifts operating in a born-again person is the manifestation of the indwelling Holy Spirit in that person.

Blessings

[Lively Stone]

Lively,
Lets put on our reasoning hat for just a second and us our heads for something beside a head rack.

What is a head rack?

God did not give all gifts to all. The only gift that God gave to all is the indwelling Spirit itself. See Acts 2:38,39

False. Holy Spirit delivers to us various gifts. Some have one major and one minor; some have one major and no minor; some have a couple majors and a few minors---but we all have been given gifts by God.

Acts 2:2-4 was an empowerment which had a purpose. See Acts 1:8
Now this was  given only to the Apostles see Acts 2:43, Acts 5:12 and many other which show that it was the Apostles that had the power given them it the manner of Acts 2:

This was the advent of Holy Spirit to Earth for the first time in His role as Helper and Comforter, dwelling in and doing the work of Jesus Christ in His people, and convicting the world of sin.

Any other time one received the power it was bu the hands of one of the Apostles (transfer of power by laying on of hands) but still only given to few to further carry out  the establishing of the new church see Acts 6:1-7  Acts 8:14-17 Acts 19:1-7

Everyone gets a share!

Acts 19:1-7 is of most interest because it tells of Johns baptism of water being fulfilled in Jesus and by which giving of the indwelling spirit was added but the power still having to be transferred by  laying on of hands.

It shows us that all believers need to receive the baptism of Holy Spirit as well as water baptism.

One more thought when the spirit fell on Cornelius Peter had to look back all the way to acts 2 for like occurrence. He did not say refer to the Samaritans or others that came after but all the way back to themselves in Acts 2:

I doubt Peter had to look back at all for any reason. Your comment makes no sense.

[yogi bear]

No it is you that is missing the point the gifts as some were for signs . Remember the signs and wonders that followed? They were to show that those were the called out of God to establish his church. It is clearly told that they were signs for a reason. Some of the reasons have been established in this land and therefore the signs are no longer need in this land. If that is not so then we are confirming that God failed to establish his church.

Is this really us "Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. " John 4:48 (KJV)

I am joyfully saying that God has established his Church in which I am part of and I for one do not need the signs for my faith is strong and the Spirit is growing me more  and more through the word. For the words of God are spirit and life I do not need the gifts as proof.

Yes there is still gifts to be enjoyed and yes God still heals but the fact remains that not all gifts given in the same measure are need this day in this land. You really need to pay attention to context. God has fulfilled some of the purposes behind some of the gifts and has gifted us with various other gifts that fit the times.

[Lively Stone]

Exactly that is what I am saying.The Spirit gives gifts accordingly, but not all get the same gifts. We are given the gifts that we need to carry out our role in the kingdom, but does not mean we will get all the gifts. God works through each of us how ever he sees fit, but gifts were for a reason, and some of the reasons are established in this land, so not all gifts are needed, so we will be gifted with different gifts than others.
Context is needed to fully understand the passages, those you quote, were to discipline in understanding of gifts. Context girl, read what it say not what you assume. Let the scripture speaks for itself.  
Read what God has said, not just what we think, but what God has had written down for use to hear.

Sometimes in some people in their lifetime, they can recount that they were given many gifts as they had need, and no doubt in all of Christendom, there will have been some who have in their lifetime experienced and manifested every single gift available. God's hands are not tied.

The norm is that we all receive at least one gift for use to God in a lifetime.

[yogi bear]

I never have said that God can not give all gifts to this day just saying that they were for a purpose just as Jesus told the Apostles

But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth Acts 1:8 (KJV)

and in some lands that purpose has been fulfilled or God has failed. Not all Gifts are needed and therefore no longer given to each and every person.

[Joyfullee]

No it is you that is missing the point the gifts as some were for signs . Remember the signs and wonders that followed? They were to show that those were the called out of God to establish his church. It is clearly told that they were signs for a reason. Some of the reasons have been established in this land and therefore the signs are no longer need in this land. If that is not so then we are confirming that God failed to establish his church.

Is this really us "Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. " John 4:48 (KJV)

I am joyfully saying that God has established his Church in which I am part of and I for one do not need the signs for my faith is strong and the Spirit is growing me more  and more through the word. For the words of God are spirit and life I do not need the gifts as proof.

Yes there is still gifts to be enjoyed and yes God still heals but the fact remains that not all gifts given in the same measure are need this day in this land. You really need to pay attention to context. God has fulfilled some of the purposes behind some of the gifts and has gifted us with various other gifts that fit the times.

God gave you a specific gift when you got saved and that gift is to be used for the benefit/edification/instruction/etc., of the body of Christ as you are led by the Spirit of God in the work that He has specifically called you, as a member, to do for His church.

Blessings

[Lively Stone]

No it is you that is missing the point the gifts as some were for signs . Remember the signs and wonders that followed? They were to show that those were the called out of God to establish his church. It is clearly told that they were signs for a reason. Some of the reasons have been established in this land and therefore the signs are no longer need in this land. If that is not so then we are confirming that God failed to establish his church.

Is this really us "Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe. " John 4:48 (KJV)

I am joyfully saying that God has established his Church in which I am part of and I for one do not need the signs for my faith is strong and the Spirit is growing me more  and more through the word. For the words of God are spirit and life I do not need the gifts as proof.

Yes there is still gifts to be enjoyed and yes God still heals but the fact remains that not all gifts given in the same measure are need this day in this land. You really need to pay attention to context. God has fulfilled some of the purposes behind some of the gifts and has gifted us with various other gifts that fit the times.

Please fill us in when the season was over. I look around in this 21st century and I see a Church that is still being established by Jesus Christ in the world. I see a Church that is empowered by Holy Spirit and using the many gifts given to her. ( I also see a lagging bunch of churches that deny the Holy Spirit and have no power.)

Jesus said, "I will build My Church!" He is still in the same building program He started 2000 years ago. Precisely when do you believe it ended?

What is your 'context' in this regard?  

Who has the audacity to tell God that he or she doesn't need the spiritual gifts? How complacent is that? Spiritual gifts aren't for us! They are for the use in the body of Christ--and to evangelize the lost! How can one be so self-satisfied as to not avail oneself of the gifts God wants one to have to further His Kingdom?