harry potter

[Saya]

I love harry potter. f you look close the magic part of the book to me as a real mean. The things I learn i that there are people that like you for your name and people who like you for you. That never lose hope in fighting evil and good friends are always loyal to you. You witchcraft is a sin but if your faith this should not stray you from your path.

[Chihiro]

I dont agree with what you're saying... But i know that a child of God should not be enjoying movies likes those...

[Humility]

I dont agree with what you're saying... But i know that a child of God should not be enjoying movies likes those...

And why is that?

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Whoa unto them who call evil good and good evil. 

Why is Harry potter wrong?
Because it's full of witchcraft sorcerers spells demons and occult symbols throughtout these
movies.   God is not pleased with these abominations that all believers are to seperate them
self from.   When they say spells do you think about what their calling forth ?   You also open yourself
up to the demon side of this world. your playing not only with the devils fire but GODs too.

All magic is from Satan, and now back to the top line,
potter movies do just this by calling harrys magic "good" and the others "bad"
now the devil has people including Christians calling evil Harry potter good....

When you were a child you did as a child but now your not a child and should put these
things away which should not be.....

[M Gold]

Narnia and Lord of the Rings are also evil movies that Christians watch.

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

Narnia and Lord of the Rings are also evil movies that Christians watch.

LOR has the tower with the all seeing eye of Horus.
which is the same as on back of dollar bill, and has everything
to do with the one world everything of satan.

Christianity today supports both these movies you mention
and shows how apostate they are.  Narnia even has pan which
is the devil and looks like him and yet they say it's ok.

You just need to realize it's that late in the game.

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

You witchcraft is a sin but if your faith this should not stray you from your path.

the catholic churches pope said that Harry potters magic is ok
aslong as you don't go to far and that's like giving a kid a stick
of dynamite and saying it's ok to lite the fuse, just don't let it go
to far yet this is even worst because the fuse you can see how close
danger is, witchcraft you can't.
Also it is a sin and this sin IS departing from the path, you see Satan
doesn't want you to see that it is a step away from God and not jst away
but towards witchcraft

[Sinead]

Whoa unto them who call evil good and good evil. 

Why is Harry potter wrong?
Because it's full of witchcraft sorcerers spells demons and occult symbols throughtout these
movies.   God is not pleased with these abominations that all believers are to seperate them
self from.   When they say spells do you think about what their calling forth ?   You also open yourself
up to the demon side of this world. your playing not only with the devils fire but GODs too.

All magic is from Satan, and now back to the top line,
potter movies do just this by calling harrys magic "good" and the others "bad"
now the devil has people including Christians calling evil Harry potter good....

When you were a child you did as a child but now your not a child and should put these
things away which should not be.....

I agree :)

[the_last_gunslinger]

I've never felt that Harry Potter was altogether dangerous or wrong. Certainly the Bible makes it rather plain that witchcraft is wrong, but with Harry Potter, we're dealing with fictitious wizards and made-up witchcraft that, within the context of the story is actually a force for good and not of the devil.

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

I've never felt that Harry Potter was altogether dangerous or wrong. Certainly the Bible makes it rather plain that witchcraft is wrong, but with Harry Potter, we're dealing with fictitious wizards and made-up witchcraft that, within the context of the story is actually a force for good and not of the devil.

all magic is of the devil and there's no such thing as good
magic.

For instance when Harry is by the water with the girl? And he's watching himself being attacked by demontors - demons and waiting for his father to save him with the bright white light...

The white light is the light of Satan... That's what that is.....

Potter / devil comes off as fun non harmful Harry potter but they use names of real gods and goddess and say real spells and is satans subtle way to make witchcraft harmless fun and now we see legos has Harry potter for 5-7 yr olds as an introduction into witchcraft and demonic occult...  Making wicthcraft have a good and bad side so aslong as your on good white magic Gods not mad.... We see the other ploy in cartoons called "angel and friends" she's an angel and her friends are demons, and they often work together, showing kids you can work with evil.... Evil just Harry potter, making destictions between evil and evil...

[the_last_gunslinger]

all magic is of the devil and there's no such thing as good
magic.

For instance when Harry is by the water with the girl? And he's watching himself being attacked by demontors - demons and waiting for his father to save him with the bright white light...

The white light is the light of Satan... That's what that is.....

Potter / devil comes off as fun non harmful Harry potter but they use names of real gods and goddess and say real spells and is satans subtle way to make witchcraft harmless fun and now we see legos has Harry potter for 5-7 yr olds as an introduction into witchcraft and demonic occult...  Making wicthcraft have a good and bad side so aslong as your on good white magic Gods not mad.... We see the other ploy in cartoons called "angel and friends" she's an angel and her friends are demons, and they often work together, showing kids you can work with evil.... Evil just Harry potter, making destictions between evil and evil...

I've actually never read or watched the films, so I'll take your word on the scene by the water. I wonder what would make you thing that this white light was Satan, though. Was there anything explicitly stated in the story that would support such a conclusion? If not, I see it merely as a good light, meant for deliverance from danger. Again, within the story, it is perceived as a good thing. Magic of course is of the devil, but I just don't buy that fictional magic created by an author came from the devil. It's not real and has no power.

I would also disagree that the spells are real spells. Rowling's method for creating words was to take mock Latin phrases that sounded real. There is some mingling of real beliefs, and some spells are rooted in things that used to be believed in Britain centuries ago, but they are far from authentic. That being said, I suppose it could be a bad influence for those who have a difficult time distinguishing between fiction and reality. There have been cases of children that took up an unhealthy interest in witchcraft as a result of the books. For those who know the difference, and realize that the books and film depict fantasy wizards, I don't think it's terribly harmful. I guess it's one of those things that should be decided based on your own interpretation of the Harry Potter franchise and whether you think it is actively sponsoring witchcraft.

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

I think it's funny how worked up people get about this.

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

I think it's funny how worked up people get about this.

I'm sure Jesus doesn't find it funny but an abomanation in fact.  It is God that tells you to have nothing to do with witchcraft, most people who find it funny haven't become wise as serpants/doves.... I'm sure most Christians including the catholic church think it's funny that Christians stand by the word on movies people don't want to give up... You watch almost any cartoon that's less than 10 yrs old and magic is in almost all of then, why do you think this is? To get kids thinking magic and witchcraft are fun.... An when all the signs and wonders in the last days coming, kids will measure things on emotions and not on the word..... Hey try this.... Put on your witchcraft shows and then think of Christ watching from heaven.... If it doesn't bother you then somethings amiss in your spirit..... If you wish to believe that it's harmless then explain why Harry potter is the reason more kids are trying witchcraft for real..... No wonder the devil has made such vast limitless inroads into Christianity...... If you even think for one second that the devils not involved in this show, that's foolishness... Type in real witchcraft in Harry potter or some such and see what you find.

The white light in the occult is satans light......  Pure
this is the meaning behind harrys white light

The dog that had 3? Heads in one of the potter movies, is modeled after 
In Greek mythology, Cerberus (Greek "demon of the pit") was the hound of Hades (Greek God of the Underworld and Death), a monstrous three-headed dog with a snake for a tail called a hellhound.

Other hell hounds included Orthus, his two headed brother. Cerberus guarded the gate to Hades and ensured that spirits of the dead could enter, but none could exit (additionally, no living person was to come into Hades). Among his siblings are Chimera and the Hydra. He is the offspring of Echidna and Typhon. In Dante's Inferno, he is described as having a human head. This symbolizes the possibility of Cerberus being more human than animal.

Remember how this dog guarded the trap door down into the floor...... No harry potter is based on occult REAL occult throughout.... It's only there if you know

oh one more, Harry potter could talk parselmouth ( talk to snakes). Now which snake do you think Harry talks to?   Satan ofcourse is the snake/serpant Harry deals with... No magic is good or ok not even little Harry potter ...... Do not Call evil good

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

Thanks again for the giggles. 

[larry2]

I think it's funny how worked up people get about this.

If it doesn't bother you then somethings amiss in your spirit.....

Now which snake do you think Harry talks to?

It is written? Eve talked to a serpent; does he still appear as a serpent or a roaring lion? One of my all time favorite movies was The Wizard of OZ; was the cowardly lion there actually Satan? He really didn't roar too much.

As entertainment, is all dancing to be classified as dancing with devils? What of singing because some sing of black magic or of dark spells? Should we be intimidated by such things, and if so, why would you purposefully delve into a familiarity with such phenomenon? Is something amiss in your spirit? I do not believe that but it bothers me that you would classify someone as spiritually defunct just because they don't go looking for bugbears, bogeymen, or bugaboos in every shadow.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

I think it's funny how worked up people get about this.

If it doesn't bother you then somethings amiss in your spirit.....

Now which snake do you think Harry talks to?

It is written? Eve talked to a serpent; does he still appear as a serpent or a roaring lion? One of my all time favorite movies was The Wizard of OZ; was the cowardly lion there actually Satan? He really didn't roar too much.

As entertainment, is all dancing to be classified as dancing with devils? What of singing because some sing of black magic or of dark spells? Should we be intimidated by such things, and if so, why would you purposefully delve into a familiarity with such phenomenon? Is something amiss in your spirit? I do not believe that but it bothers me that you would classify someone as spiritually defunct just because they don't go looking for bugbears, bogeymen, or bugaboos in every shadow.

Blessings in Christ Jesus.

His spirit SHOULD convict him of this movie..... But the fact that you both would laugh at someone for standing up against what God calls an abomanation speaks for itself.

I like how you throw in dancing and singing (like it compares to witchcraft as fun)..... Hey if it doesn't bother you enjoy it then.... Don't argue with me Gods the one that will take it up with you.

[larry2]

His spirit SHOULD convict him of this movie..... But the fact that you both would laugh at someone for standing up against what God calls an abomanation speaks for itself.

I like how you throw in dancing and singing (like it compares to witchcraft as fun)..... Hey if it doesn't bother you enjoy it then.... Don't argue with me Gods the one that will take it up with you.

You're the only one here seemingly digging deep into witchcraft; is it a fetish? If it is offensive to you, you might do as we read of those that are offered things in the market to eat. 1 Corinthians 10:27. "If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake."

I personally have never seen any of the movies you mention, have no desire to, and will not be affected by their presence in the world to go into a search for what they do reveal if anything real of witchcraft. How do you know of such things unless you are caught up into them?

Thanks.

[Sinead]

You dont have to be caught up in something or involved in something to know when something is wrong.
Knowledge Bomb is right.

[the_last_gunslinger]

You dont have to be caught up in something or involved in something to know when something is wrong.
Knowledge Bomb is right.

Certainly your choice to believe such. I for one believe it's a stretch to apply Biblical reasoning regarding witchcraft to a fictional book. I still hold that it is a personal decision. If you pray about and feel as though God would have you not partake, then don't do it. I don't recall anything in the Bible forbidding the use of fictional accounts of witchcraft. Good thing, too. Otherwise Shakespeare would be out the window.

[Sinead]

You dont have to be caught up in something or involved in something to know when something is wrong.
Knowledge Bomb is right.

Certainly your choice to believe such. I for one believe it's a stretch to apply Biblical reasoning regarding witchcraft to a fictional book. I still hold that it is a personal decision. If you pray about and feel as though God would have you not partake, then don't do it. I don't recall anything in the Bible forbidding the use of fictional accounts of witchcraft. Good thing, too. Otherwise Shakespeare would be out the window.

I read this article online:

But as wild as children seem to be about Harry, no one is happier about the phenomenon than the old-school Satanists, who were struggling to recruit new members prior to the publication of the first Potter book in 1997.  "Harry in an absolute godsend to our cause,

[Sinead]

But as wild as children seem to be about Harry, no one is happier about the phenomenon than the old-school Satanists, who were struggling to recruit new members prior to the publication of the first Potter book in 1997.  "Harry in an absolute godsend to our cause,

[the_last_gunslinger]

That article from the First Church of Satan was from a satirical article from the onion.com making fun of the people who thinks it makes kids practice Satanism and witchcraft. It was  a parody, not a real article.

[Shodan]

Very interesting review here by:

Dr. Jerram Barrs, Professor of Christian Studies and Contemporary Culture at Covenant Theological Seminary, St Louis, Missouri. He is a fan of the Harry Potter series.

Jerram Barrs on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - YouTube

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=MxySk24J_bs

[KNOWLEDGE BOMB]

So what do you suppose, that Harry potter doesn't entice children into the fun/good world of witchcraft....


Satan teaches that evil has two sides and you bought into it as you promote it as fine or even a laugher to even think that Satan would use this format to bring witchcraft to the hearts and minds and that children would even be enticed to be like Harry and dream of being like him?!?  What's Harry potter about? Good magic will win out over evil magic? And Satan wins either way.....  Harmless?

One things for sure... The pope agrees with you..... So what's that tell you 

[the_last_gunslinger]

So what do you suppose, that Harry potter doesn't entice children into the fun/good world of witchcraft...

I absolutely believe this. There is not reliable information that equates watching or reading Harry Potter to increased level of interest in childhood witchcraft.

[fcadcock]

All magic is from Satan,

So Moses turning his rod into a snake was Satan's work?  Peter walking on water was of the devil?  How about that burning bush?

There is no such thing as magic.  There are miracles, but not magic.  Miracles are when God, himself, breaks the laws of physics that He created.  Magic is the belief that we can do the same.

At no point in the bible have I read anything about not watching movies or listening to stories (more likely since there weren't movies way back when) about things that aren't real.  It says not to tempt myself with sin, but the only sin in Harry Potter would be the belief that man could actually do these things without God's will being present.

[Sinead]

All magic is from Satan,

So Moses turning his rod into a snake was Satan's work?  Peter walking on water was of the devil?  How about that burning bush?

There is no such thing as magic.  There are miracles, but not magic.  Miracles are when God, himself, breaks the laws of physics that He created.  Magic is the belief that we can do the same.

At no point in the bible have I read anything about not watching movies or listening to stories (more likely since there weren't movies way back when) about things that aren't real.  It says not to tempt myself with sin, but the only sin in Harry Potter would be the belief that man could actually do these things without God's will being present.

What Moses and Peter did came from the power of God.
What witches do comes from the power of satan.
It's ok to watch and read fantasy, I love fantasy but when it comes to witchcraft and the promotion of witchcraft it should be a big no no for every christian.

[the_last_gunslinger]

It's ok to watch and read fantasy, I love fantasy but when it comes to witchcraft and the promotion of witchcraft it should be a big no no for every christian.

In your opinion, what kind of fantasy should be permissible? What kind do you read?

[fcadcock]

What Moses and Peter did came from the power of God.
What witches do comes from the power of satan.

No, what Moses and Peter did came from the power of God,
What witches do comes from our imagination...  There is no such thing as magic, it's all fantasy.

Sure, if magic were real, it would most likely be of the devil (there's a chance it could come from God, we don't know as it's not real)  But as it sits, we're arguing about something that's not even an issue as it's make believe...

[Sinead]

What Moses and Peter did came from the power of God.
What witches do comes from the power of satan.

No, what Moses and Peter did came from the power of God,
What witches do comes from our imagination...  There is no such thing as magic, it's all fantasy.

Sure, if magic were real, it would most likely be of the devil (there's a chance it could come from God, we don't know as it's not real)  But as it sits, we're arguing about something that's not even an issue as it's make believe...

Magic is very real and the power witches have is also very real.

[Sinead]

It's ok to watch and read fantasy, I love fantasy but when it comes to witchcraft and the promotion of witchcraft it should be a big no no for every christian.

In your opinion, what kind of fantasy should be permissible? What kind do you read?

Well for me I like things like fairies and unicorns, I like non-fiction books but nothing with magic.

[fcadcock]

What Moses and Peter did came from the power of God.
What witches do comes from the power of satan.

No, what Moses and Peter did came from the power of God,
What witches do comes from our imagination...  There is no such thing as magic, it's all fantasy.

Sure, if magic were real, it would most likely be of the devil (there's a chance it could come from God, we don't know as it's not real)  But as it sits, we're arguing about something that's not even an issue as it's make believe...

Magic is very real and the power witches have is also very real.

Can you give some evidence of this?  Show me some point in history where there is credible evidence of magic being used and I'll let you win.

[Sinead]

What Moses and Peter did came from the power of God.
What witches do comes from the power of satan.

No, what Moses and Peter did came from the power of God,
What witches do comes from our imagination...  There is no such thing as magic, it's all fantasy.

Sure, if magic were real, it would most likely be of the devil (there's a chance it could come from God, we don't know as it's not real)  But as it sits, we're arguing about something that's not even an issue as it's make believe...

Magic is very real and the power witches have is also very real.

Can you give some evidence of this?  Show me some point in history where there is credible evidence of magic being used and I'll let you win.

I'm really not interested in winning.
Not only do I know that spells and witchcraft work based on people in the here and now but the Bible talks about a man who was a bona-fide scorcerer.
He had such power that people called it a great power of God but the power wasn't from God it was from satan.

Acts 8:9
"Now there was a man named Simon, who formerly was practicing magic in the city and astonishing the people of Samaria, claiming to be someone great;["

Saul went to see a witch (the witch of endor) because he wanted to talk with Samuel. This witch conjured up samuel's spirit - usually it is a demon impersonator that appears but God allowed the real Samuel to appear for reasons only He knows.

There was a woman who kept following Paul around. She was posessed with a spirit of divination. Her owners made a lot of money off her and her satanic power.
(Acts 16:13-18)

There are many scriptures against witchcraft

Nahum 3:4
"All because of the many harlotries of the harlot, The charming one, the mistress of sorceries, Who sells nations by her harlotries and families by her sorceries.

Deut 18:14
"For those nations, which you shall dispossess, listen to those who practice witchcraft and to diviners, but as for you, the LORD your God has not allowed you to do so.

The acts of the flesh are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions Galations 5:20

If witchcraft was merely a product of someone's imagination God would not have issued such strong warnings against it.

[fcadcock]

The Old Testament is anything but scientifically accurate ma'am.  People back then believed in other gods, earth centric astronomy, and a 4,000 year old planet (as I've stated before, there's a dinosaur toe on my desk which proves that point wrong.)

This is the same OT that states that Noah put two of every animal on earth on a boat, including kangaroos from Australia and Anacondas from Brazil...  Do you honestly think that Noah discovered penguins or do you think it's more likely that the OT was written by people who didn't fully understand the world they lived in and were making their best guesses when they couldn't fully explain things?

A thousand years after these people died, scientists were murdered for sorcery just for adding acids and bases together to make them react...  Most likely this man was no more of a magician than david blane or that strange mindfreak guy.

God may have simply forbade it, not because it was real, but because attempting it was attempting to usurp His power.  Just the same as the story of the tower of Babel.  We all know that you can't reach Heaven by building a tower, we have space probes which haven't even reached it...  The point was that they were ATTEMPTING to get there.  Just the same, it's not that you can actually cast a spell which can break the laws He set up, it's that you can ATTEMPT to. 

If magic were possible, it would be common knowledge in a day and age where YouTube has howtos for everything from nuclear fusion to making armpit noises.

[Sinead]

The Old Testament is anything but scientifically accurate ma'am.  People back then believed in other gods, earth centric astronomy, and a 4,000 year old planet (as I've stated before, there's a dinosaur toe on my desk which proves that point wrong.)

This is the same OT that states that Noah put two of every animal on earth on a boat, including kangaroos from Australia and Anacondas from Brazil...  Do you honestly think that Noah discovered penguins or do you think it's more likely that the OT was written by people who didn't fully understand the world they lived in and were making their best guesses when they couldn't fully explain things?

A thousand years after these people died, scientists were murdered for sorcery just for adding acids and bases together to make them react...  Most likely this man was no more of a magician than david blane or that strange mindfreak guy.

God may have simply forbade it, not because it was real, but because attempting it was attempting to usurp His power.  Just the same as the story of the tower of Babel.  We all know that you can't reach Heaven by building a tower, we have space probes which haven't even reached it...  The point was that they were ATTEMPTING to get there.  Just the same, it's not that you can actually cast a spell which can break the laws He set up, it's that you can ATTEMPT to.  

If magic were possible, it would be common knowledge in a day and age where YouTube has howtos for everything from nuclear fusion to making armpit noises.

All I know is that if the Bible says its true then I believe it. I don't know how Noah fit all those animals on his boat, but I know he did it somehow because it says he did. The whole Bible both NT and OT was inspired by the Holy Spirit. If it was only written by man and contained only man's opinions then I can tell you honestly that I would throw mine out. There wouldnt be any point in keeping it or reading it because I wouldn't be able to trust it or know which parts are true.