News:

Buy things on Amazon? Please go to gracecentered.com/amazon FIRST and we'll earn a commission from your order!

Main Menu
+-+-

+-User

Welcome, Guest.
Please login or register.
 
 
 
Forgot your password?

+-Stats ezBlock

Members
Total Members: 89501
Latest: Reirric
New This Month: 0
New This Week: 0
New Today: 0
Stats
Total Posts: 895806
Total Topics: 90123
Most Online Today: 836
Most Online Ever: 12150
(Tue Mar 18, 2025 - 06:32:52)
Users Online
Members: 1
Guests: 89
Total: 90
mommydi
Google

Steps to salvation..........

Started by p.rehbein, Sun Sep 11, 2011 - 19:25:53

Previous topic - Next topic

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

ROJTC

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:08:07
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:06:10
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 22:57:17
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:53:34
Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Do you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart,  that if you do not love God, with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength; but confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved?
You asked the question about being saved . I used scripture to answer it.


And I then  asked you another question, in response to your reply to my first question.





MeMyself

Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:11:21
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:08:07
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:06:10
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 22:57:17
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:53:34
Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Do you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart,  that if you do not love God, with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength; but confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved?
You asked the question about being saved . I used scripture to answer it.


And I then  asked you another question, in response to your reply to my first question.

You can't really love God with all your heart, mind soul and strength if you deny His Son.
And
You can't really love your neighbor as yourself without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide you.  One doesn't receive the Holy Spirit unless they confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised Him from the dead.

ROJTC

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:13:44
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:11:21
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:08:07
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:06:10
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 22:57:17
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:53:34
Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Do you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart,  that if you do not love God, with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength; but confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved?
You asked the question about being saved . I used scripture to answer it.


And I then  asked you another question, in response to your reply to my first question.

You can't really love God with all your heart, mind soul and strength if you deny His Son.
And
You can't really love your neighbor as yourself without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide you.  One doesn't receive the Holy Spirit unless they confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised Him from the dead.

If you sin knowing it is a sin, are you denying the Son of God?

MeMyself

Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:17:54
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:13:44
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:11:21
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:08:07
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:06:10
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 22:57:17
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 19:53:34
Luke, Chapter 10

25: And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?

26: He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?

27: And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.

28: And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.


Is this another way to be saved other than this?

Romans 10:9 That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved.

Do you confess with your mouth and believe in your heart,  that if you do not love God, with all your heart, with all your mind, with all your soul and with all your strength; but confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved?
You asked the question about being saved . I used scripture to answer it.


And I then  asked you another question, in response to your reply to my first question.

You can't really love God with all your heart, mind soul and strength if you deny His Son.
And
You can't really love your neighbor as yourself without the indwelling of the Holy Spirit to guide you.  One doesn't receive the Holy Spirit unless they confess with their mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in their hearts that God raised Him from the dead.

If you sin knowing it is a sin, are you denying the Son of God?
The bible calls that sin (which can be forgiven), not denying the Son of God (which keeps you from forgiveness).

ROJTC

Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,




Lively Stone

#40
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:26:10
Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,





That passage is so commonly misunderstood and misused it makes my head spin. What it refers to are those who do not experience the new birth, and refuse to put on the new mind, but rather continues in his old ways.


Hebrews 10:26-27
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.


This has to do with false converts.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:43:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:26:10
Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,





That pasage is so commonly misunderstood and misused it makes my head spin. What it refers to are those who do not experience the new birth, and refuse to put on the new mind, but rather continues in his old ways.


Hebrews 10:26-27
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.


This has to do with false converts.

Are you saying to me that you believe even if you know telling a lie is a lie and you do it willfully,  then ask God to forgive you, that God will for give you.  Then not long you do the same thing. Then again and again and again.

For as long as you want to tell lies.

Is this what you are saying to me?

Lively Stone

#42
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:49:26
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:43:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:26:10
Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,





That pasage is so commonly misunderstood and misused it makes my head spin. What it refers to are those who do not experience the new birth, and refuse to put on the new mind, but rather continues in his old ways.


Hebrews 10:26-27
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.


This has to do with false converts.

Are you saying to me that you believe even if you know telling a lie is a lie and you do it willfully,  then ask God to forgive you, that God will for give you.  Then not long you do the same thing. Then again and again and again.

For as long as you want to tell lies.

Is this what you are saying to me?

All my sins are forgiven---even the ones I have yet to commit. Do I go out and sin will nilly? No---because I know who I am in Christ. I am the righteousness of God. He loves me with an unfathomable love. Therefore I seek to please Him in all I do. I don't have the desire to sin. I hate sin as He does.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:55:44
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:49:26
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:43:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:26:10
Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,





That pasage is so commonly misunderstood and misused it makes my head spin. What it refers to are those who do not experience the new birth, and refuse to put on the new mind, but rather continues in his old ways.


Hebrews 10:26-27
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.


This has to do with false converts.

Are you saying to me that you believe even if you know telling a lie is a lie and you do it willfully,  then ask God to forgive you, that God will for give you.  Then not long you do the same thing. Then again and again and again.

For as long as you want to tell lies.

Is this what you are saying to me?

All my sins are forgiven---even the ones I have yet to commit. Do I go out and sin will nilly? No---becasue I know who I am in Christ. I am the righteousness of God. He loves me with an unfathomable love. Therefore I seek to please Him in all I do. I don't have the desire to sin. I hate sin as He does.

Can you prove any of this? Or do I have to take your word for it?

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:01:17
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:55:44
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:49:26
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:43:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:26:10
Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,





That pasage is so commonly misunderstood and misused it makes my head spin. What it refers to are those who do not experience the new birth, and refuse to put on the new mind, but rather continues in his old ways.


Hebrews 10:26-27
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.


This has to do with false converts.

Are you saying to me that you believe even if you know telling a lie is a lie and you do it willfully,  then ask God to forgive you, that God will for give you.  Then not long you do the same thing. Then again and again and again.

For as long as you want to tell lies.

Is this what you are saying to me?

All my sins are forgiven---even the ones I have yet to commit. Do I go out and sin will nilly? No---becasue I know who I am in Christ. I am the righteousness of God. He loves me with an unfathomable love. Therefore I seek to please Him in all I do. I don't have the desire to sin. I hate sin as He does.

Can you prove any of this? Or do I have to take your word for it?

You can take God's word for it.

1 John 1:9
  If we [freely] admit that we have sinned and confess our sins, He is faithful and just (true to His own nature and promises) and will forgive our sins [dismiss our lawlessness] and [continuously] cleanse us from all unrighteousness [everything not in conformity to His will in purpose, thought, and action]. 


Romans 5:1-2
Therefore, since we have been made right in God's sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us. 2 Because of our faith, Christ has brought us into this place of undeserved privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing God's glory.

ROJTC

Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:12:48
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

You make no sense.

Let's see some intelligence in your argument.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:17:34
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:12:48
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

You make no sense.

Let's see some intelligence in your argument.

That is your unproven opinion of me.  Can you prove your unproven opinion of me with out giving me another one of your unproven opinions?

If so go for it.


Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:19:32
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:17:34
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:12:48
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

You make no sense.

Let's see some intelligence in your argument.

That is your unproven opinion of me.  Can you prove your unproven opinion of me with out giving me another one of your unproven opinions?

If so go for it.



Go ahead and prove yourself. All it will take is for you to bring scripture to prove your point. In other words, put your money where your mouth is.




PS: Do you know Carla Telia?

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:22:32
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:19:32
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:17:34
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:12:48
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

You make no sense.

Let's see some intelligence in your argument.

That is your unproven opinion of me.  Can you prove your unproven opinion of me with out giving me another one of your unproven opinions?

If so go for it.



Go ahead and prove yourself. All it will take is for you to bring scripture to prove your point. In other words, put your money where your mouth is.




PS: Do you know Carla Telia?

See here is another of your opinions that you cannot prove. And when you lose you resort to  such as asking me if I know someone you think I am.

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:26:54
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:22:32
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:19:32
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:17:34
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:12:48
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

You make no sense.

Let's see some intelligence in your argument.

That is your unproven opinion of me.  Can you prove your unproven opinion of me with out giving me another one of your unproven opinions?

If so go for it.



Go ahead and prove yourself. All it will take is for you to bring scripture to prove your point. In other words, put your money where your mouth is.




PS: Do you know Carla Telia?

See here is another of your opinions that you cannot prove. And when you lose you resort to  such as asking me if I know someone you think I am.

This forum has been plagued by a particular person who posts with the same pattern as you are posting right now. Just askin'!

I won't engage with that fellow becasue he is uninterested in debate, but just likes to hammer people. Your posts have no teeth in them pertaining to your view, and so I am thinking you don't really care or even know what debating is.

So, until you show me through your knowledge of the word of God what you believe to be true, you have proven nothing.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:30:12
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:26:54
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:22:32
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:19:32
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:17:34
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:12:48
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

You make no sense.

Let's see some intelligence in your argument.

That is your unproven opinion of me.  Can you prove your unproven opinion of me with out giving me another one of your unproven opinions?

If so go for it.



Go ahead and prove yourself. All it will take is for you to bring scripture to prove your point. In other words, put your money where your mouth is.




PS: Do you know Carla Telia?

See here is another of your opinions that you cannot prove. And when you lose you resort to  such as asking me if I know someone you think I am.

This forum has been plagued by a particular person who posts with the same pattern as you are posting right now. Just askin'!

I won't engage with that fellow becasue he is uninterested in debate, but just likes to hammer people. your posts have no meat in them pertaining to your view, and so I am thinking you don't really care or even know what debating is.

So, until you show me through your knowledge of the word of God what you believe to be true, you have proven nothing.

See here again is another of your unproven opinions.

I do not care what you think of me.  I am not who you speak of and we are on a debate forum with rules, that I have broken none.  You just cant handle being proved wrong to well.  That is not my problem, now is it?

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:33:19
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:30:12
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:26:54
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:22:32
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:19:32
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:17:34
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:12:48
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness?

You make no sense.

Let's see some intelligence in your argument.

That is your unproven opinion of me.  Can you prove your unproven opinion of me with out giving me another one of your unproven opinions?

If so go for it.



Go ahead and prove yourself. All it will take is for you to bring scripture to prove your point. In other words, put your money where your mouth is.




PS: Do you know Carla Telia?

See here is another of your opinions that you cannot prove. And when you lose you resort to  such as asking me if I know someone you think I am.

This forum has been plagued by a particular person who posts with the same pattern as you are posting right now. Just askin'!

I won't engage with that fellow becasue he is uninterested in debate, but just likes to hammer people. your posts have no meat in them pertaining to your view, and so I am thinking you don't really care or even know what debating is.

So, until you show me through your knowledge of the word of God what you believe to be true, you have proven nothing.

See here again is another of your unproven opinions.

I do not care what you think of me.  I am not who you speak of and we are on a debate forum with rules, that I have broken none.  You just cant handle being proved wrong to well.  That is not my problem, now is it?

I am glad that you are not that person!

Let's see your debating skills, now. Get your bible out and prove your points. C'mon...

ROJTC

Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:56:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:58:01
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:56:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?

There is a way to behave in debates. If you want to bring only friction and act like a child, then keep it up.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:00:08
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:58:01
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:56:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?

There is a way to behave in debates. If you want to bring only friction and act like a child, then keep it up.

What way would you have me to behave seeing how I am dealing with someone who makes all kinds of accusations one right after another with out not one shred of evidence to back up their claims?

All because I got the best of her in a debate?

Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:03:05
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:00:08
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:58:01
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:56:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?

There is a way to behave in debates. If you want to bring only friction and act like a child, then keep it up.

What way would you have me to behave seeing how I am dealing with someone who makes all kinds of accusations one right after another with out not one shred of evidence to back up their claims?

All because I got the best of her in a debate?

You cannot get the best of anyone if you cannot use scripture to prove yourself. So far I have shown you several passages of what God says to prove my point. You have yet to show scriptural proof for your position.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:09:58
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:03:05
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:00:08
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:58:01
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:56:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?

There is a way to behave in debates. If you want to bring only friction and act like a child, then keep it up.

What way would you have me to behave seeing how I am dealing with someone who makes all kinds of accusations one right after another with out not one shred of evidence to back up their claims?

All because I got the best of her in a debate?

You cannot get the best of anyone if you cannot use scripture to prove yourself. So far I have shown you several passages of what God says to prove my point. You have yet to show scriptural proof for your position.

I will prove that you do not even know my position.  Tell me , what is my position?


Lively Stone

Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:12:16
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:09:58
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:03:05
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:00:08
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:58:01
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:56:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?

There is a way to behave in debates. If you want to bring only friction and act like a child, then keep it up.

What way would you have me to behave seeing how I am dealing with someone who makes all kinds of accusations one right after another with out not one shred of evidence to back up their claims?

All because I got the best of her in a debate?

You cannot get the best of anyone if you cannot use scripture to prove yourself. So far I have shown you several passages of what God says to prove my point. You have yet to show scriptural proof for your position.

I will prove that you do not even know my position.  Tell me , what is my position?



That's just how bad you are at debating. You haven't made your position clear. You'd much rather taunt.

ROJTC

Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:19:12
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:12:16
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:09:58
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:03:05
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 01:00:08
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:58:01
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:56:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:49:02
Quote from: Lively Stone on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:47:24
Quote from: ROJTC on Wed Aug 29, 2012 - 00:45:44
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?

In the spirit of debate you need to answer my question.

Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?

There is a way to behave in debates. If you want to bring only friction and act like a child, then keep it up.

What way would you have me to behave seeing how I am dealing with someone who makes all kinds of accusations one right after another with out not one shred of evidence to back up their claims?

All because I got the best of her in a debate?

You cannot get the best of anyone if you cannot use scripture to prove yourself. So far I have shown you several passages of what God says to prove my point. You have yet to show scriptural proof for your position.

I will prove that you do not even know my position.  Tell me , what is my position?



That's just how bad you are at debating. You haven't made your position clear. You'd much rather taunt.

Prove that I have taunted anyone.

MeMyself

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:43:16
Quote from: ROJTC on Tue Aug 28, 2012 - 23:26:10
Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,





That passage is so commonly misunderstood and misused it makes my head spin. What it refers to are those who do not experience the new birth, and refuse to put on the new mind, but rather continues in his old ways.


Hebrews 10:26-27
Dear friends, if we deliberately continue sinning after we have received knowledge of the truth, there is no longer any sacrifice that will cover these sins. There is only the terrible expectation of God's judgment and the raging fire that will consume his enemies.


This has to do with false converts.
::smile:: Yes, because over and over again we find God's promise to forgive His true children and cleanse us from our sin.

p.rehbein

 ::doh::
I forgot all about this thread...........lessee if I can ketchup.......

I would encourage you to use a concordance and go through your Bible and look up all the instances of the word "saved." You aren't going to find much of anything in there about someone who "got saved." It just isn't there.

Jarrod

John 5:24) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.......................37) And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38) And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39) Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life and they are they which testify of me. 40) And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

HE THAT HEARETH MY WORD, AND BELIEVETH ON HIM THAT SENT ME, HATH EVERLASTING LIFE!  Not will sometime in the future.........HATH!

AND SHALL NOT come into condemnation..............BUT IS PASSED FROM DEATH UNTO LIFE!
Present tense.........not future tense........NOW, not some time in the distant future........

Come to Jesus, and ETERNAL LIFE (SALVATION) WILL BE YOURS NOW!

Reply #40 on: August 28, 2012, 10:26:10 PM »
•   Reply
•   Quote
Here is what the bible says about that, that you said.

Do you believe this?

Hebrews 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,

The Bible also says there is a sin unto death, and a sin not unto death, and Jesus said all manner of sin shall be forgiven man, but blaspheme of the Holy Spirit shall not be forgiven.......try to get the full picture please..........

Quote from ROJTC:  "Are you saying to me that you believe even if you know telling a lie is a lie and you do it willfully, then ask God to forgive you, that God will for give you. Then not long you do the same thing. Then again and again and again.

For as long as you want to tell lies."

There is a sin of commission, and a sin of omission.....when you understand this, let me know.
Quote from ROJTC:  "Can you prove any of this? Or do I have to take your word for it?
I would suggest you try reading the WHOLE BIBLE.......it might help your understanding, or perhaps not.
« Reply #46 on: August 28, 2012, 11:12:48 PM »
•   Reply
•   Quote
Are you saying that the apostle John is your witness

Are you saying the Word of God is not a "witness?"
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.


How does that correlate to the topic of the OP?

How does it not?
It is completely off topic from the OP because it is not dealing with the subject of the OP.  It is a sophomoric attempt to flame at best."

Quote from ROJTC:  "Is there a rule on this forum that says I have to answer your question?"
I actually like this one...........and I would answer........BACKATCHA!

Quote from ROJTC:  "Prove that I have taunted anyone.
You provided this scripture did you not?
Jude 1:9 Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
Proof enough in my opinion.

e.r.m.

Quote from: p.rehbein on Sun Sep 11, 2011 - 19:25:53
Joseph D. Allison wrote a pamphlet titled Steps to Salvation and I thought some of you would like to discuss it.

"What are the steps to salvaiton?  The Bible indicates that there are four basic stages, which we might call conviction, repentance, confession, and acceptance.  When a jury returns a "guilty" verdict against an accused criminal, we say the felon is (1) CONVICTED of the offense.  Evidence has proven the accusation is true, so law brings the full weight of punishment against the guilty one.  When you become aware of your own sin, you're convicted of your offenses against God and your neighbor.  It's easy to talk about "the sinful world," but sooner or later the Holy Spirit makes you feel the burden of your own sin.  This is conviction - the godly grief that starts a change in your life (2 Corinthians 7:9-11).

If a criminal decides to turn away from crime, the law still holds him responsible for what he's done.  But if we turn away from sin, God can forgive us.  (2) REPENTANCE is a wholehearted decision to "renounce irreligion and worldly passions, and to live sober, upright, and godly lives in this world..." (Titus 2:11-12.) 

If a defendant (3) CONFESSES that he has committed the crime, there's usually no need for a trial by jury.  It's an open-and-shut case.  It's merely up to the judge to pass sentence in face of the evidence and the suspect's own admission.  When you confess your sins to God, you're liable to die - except for the fact that God's Son, Jesus Christ, has already paid the price for your sins by dying on the cross.  So you need to do more than confess your sins; you need to confess Christ as your Saviour.  "If you confess with your lips that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved."  (Romans 10:9)

Even after the Spirit convicts us and we decide to give up our sinful ways, we might fail to trust God for real salvation.  We'd feel like miserable sinners aspiring to a better life, yet never able to reach it.  This is not what God promises.  He wants us to realize our new relationship with him every day; he wants us to (4) ACCEPT his love.  (See Luke 7:36-50, Romans 1:16-17, and 1st Peter 1:3-5.)  When we accept salvation we can receive the better gifts of the Spirit - and only then can we share the gospel with power."

"Steps to Salvation"
by:  Joseph D. Allison
published by:  Warner Press Inc.
I would like for Joseph D. Allison to show a scripture that says we accept salvation.

Tolasonn

If there are steps to salvation, then that would mean that salvation is not only not instant but not automatic. Is this true or false?

+-Recent Topics

Proud of my Representative! by Rella
Today at 12:03:49

Creation scientists by 4WD
Today at 09:50:49

Sabbath, Sunday, and Legalism by Amo
Today at 09:02:15

Roman politics by Amo
Today at 08:37:24

"Church Fathers" Scriptural or Not by Amo
Today at 08:30:44

Man's Spirit & His Glorified Body by Amo
Today at 08:17:17

Do the Ten Commandments apply to Christians today? by Wycliffes_Shillelagh
Tue Apr 28, 2026 - 21:46:03

Greenland by mommydi
Tue Apr 28, 2026 - 20:32:50

Proverbs 3:5-6 by pppp
Tue Apr 28, 2026 - 11:02:44

Mark 8:36 by pppp
Tue Apr 28, 2026 - 10:07:41

Powered by EzPortal