Ask A Catholic III

[FireSword]

I was zealous for the truth, if I have given ammunition to your opponent I apologize. But he did seem to agree with my post, which might clarify his position.

[Stucky]

I was zealous for the truth, if I have given ammunition to your opponent I apologize. But he did seem to agree with my post, which might clarify his position.

FireSword, MY definition of Christian is any person that believes that Jesus died for the payment of their sin debt.  I believe it's the same definition of the Apostle Paul.   

[LightHammer]

I was zealous for the truth, if I have given ammunition to your opponent I apologize. But he did seem to agree with my post, which might clarify his position.

FireSword, MY definition of Christian is any person that believes that Jesus died for the payment of their sin debt.  I believe it's the same definition of the Apostle Paul.   

Not exactly. There were plenty of men and women who St. Paul vehemently rejected as non Christians who believed that Jesus Christ died for us. There were those early Gnostics that believed Jesus Christ was a spiritual being who simply appeared to be a man. He rejected them outright in scripture from any commonality with the Church and they believed what you claim is all that is required to be a Christian.

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You're gonna love this Ladonia.  Is this what you believe?

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You're gonna love this Ladonia.  Is this what you believe?

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Perfect! From a totally un-biased source I see. Now, if you could comment on my post #99 from the Holy Catholic Church on salvation. (Thanks in advance!)

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

And that is a belief shared by many.  However, the many biblical exhortations include both the works and faith idea. You can have all the faith you want that Jesus saved you, but if you live a life of debaucherry and no good Jesus will say to you on that fateful day and I paraphrase: "Away from me Satan, I do not know you" or "What you did not do to the least of them, you did not do to me". So faith AND works do go together, otherwise they would not have both been mentioned.

But I can respect your opinion, coming as you do from a different standpoint of the Christian experience. God bless.

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

And that is a belief shared by many.  However, the many biblical exhortations include both the works and faith idea. You can have all the faith you want that Jesus saved you, but if you live a life of debaucherry and no good Jesus will say to you on that fateful day and I paraphrase: "Away from me Satan, I do not know you" or "What you did not do to the least of them, you did not do to me". So faith AND works do go together, otherwise they would not have both been mentioned.

But I can respect your opinion, coming as you do from a different standpoint of the Christian experience. God bless.

We're not done Ladonia, unless you need to leave.

Exactly what sins did Jesus not forgive on the cross?

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

And that is a belief shared by many.  However, the many biblical exhortations include both the works and faith idea. You can have all the faith you want that Jesus saved you, but if you live a life of debaucherry and no good Jesus will say to you on that fateful day and I paraphrase: "Away from me Satan, I do not know you" or "What you did not do to the least of them, you did not do to me". So faith AND works do go together, otherwise they would not have both been mentioned.

But I can respect your opinion, coming as you do from a different standpoint of the Christian experience. God bless.

We're not done Ladonia, unless you need to leave.

Exactly what sins did Jesus not forgive on the cross?

There were none. Forgiveness of sins can always be found in the person of Christ. (Though I wouldn't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit)

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

And that is a belief shared by many.  However, the many biblical exhortations include both the works and faith idea. You can have all the faith you want that Jesus saved you, but if you live a life of debaucherry and no good Jesus will say to you on that fateful day and I paraphrase: "Away from me Satan, I do not know you" or "What you did not do to the least of them, you did not do to me". So faith AND works do go together, otherwise they would not have both been mentioned.

But I can respect your opinion, coming as you do from a different standpoint of the Christian experience. God bless.

We're not done Ladonia, unless you need to leave.

Exactly what sins did Jesus not forgive on the cross?

There were none. Forgiveness of sins can always be found in the person of Christ. (Though I wouldn't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit)

Then you are making my argument for me Ladonia.  I am always going to sin, that is the way of humanity, but my acceptence of God's free gift of Grace, through my faith in the atoning blood of Jesus is all needs be done for my salvation.

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

And that is a belief shared by many.  However, the many biblical exhortations include both the works and faith idea. You can have all the faith you want that Jesus saved you, but if you live a life of debaucherry and no good Jesus will say to you on that fateful day and I paraphrase: "Away from me Satan, I do not know you" or "What you did not do to the least of them, you did not do to me". So faith AND works do go together, otherwise they would not have both been mentioned.

But I can respect your opinion, coming as you do from a different standpoint of the Christian experience. God bless.

We're not done Ladonia, unless you need to leave.

Exactly what sins did Jesus not forgive on the cross?

There were none. Forgiveness of sins can always be found in the person of Christ. (Though I wouldn't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit)

Then you are making my argument for me Ladonia.  I am always going to sin, that is the way of humanity, but my acceptence of God's free gift of Grace, through my faith in the atoning blood of Jesus is all needs be done for my salvation.

Well, of course, surely we have faith that that is true - if it is accepted by the individual. Salvation is given freely, it exists because of the sacrifice and anyone can avail themselves of it, but that does not negate that we as believers must have an active and positive role to play in actually achieving it. To those ends,  that means obeying the Commandments as Jesus tells us to do and to us orthodox Christians, the acceptance of the sacraments as a way to live holy and pleasing lives to God.

But that then begs the question: Do you believe that you can lose your salvation?

[Stucky]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

And that is a belief shared by many.  However, the many biblical exhortations include both the works and faith idea. You can have all the faith you want that Jesus saved you, but if you live a life of debaucherry and no good Jesus will say to you on that fateful day and I paraphrase: "Away from me Satan, I do not know you" or "What you did not do to the least of them, you did not do to me". So faith AND works do go together, otherwise they would not have both been mentioned.

But I can respect your opinion, coming as you do from a different standpoint of the Christian experience. God bless.

We're not done Ladonia, unless you need to leave.

Exactly what sins did Jesus not forgive on the cross?

There were none. Forgiveness of sins can always be found in the person of Christ. (Though I wouldn't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit)

Then you are making my argument for me Ladonia.  I am always going to sin, that is the way of humanity, but my acceptence of God's free gift of Grace, through my faith in the atoning blood of Jesus is all needs be done for my salvation.

Well, of course, surely we have faith that that is true - if it is accepted by the individual. Salvation is given freely, it exists because of the sacrifice and anyone can avail themselves of it, but that does not negate that we as believers must have an active and positive role to play in actually achieving it. To those ends,  that means obeying the Commandments as Jesus tells us to do and to us orthodox Christians, the acceptance of the sacraments as a way to live holy and pleasing lives to God.

But that then begs the question: Do you believe that you can lose your salvation?

Wait, back up a sec and then I'll answer your question.  So, do you obey all the Ten Commandments without ever breaking one?  Must you also partake of the sacraments to be forgiven?  Are you therefore perfect as Jesus was?  Why then did Jesus need to die in your place? No, once saved, always saved.

[Ladonia]

Someone please explain to Lighthammer that if she/he is responding to me that I have him/her on ignore.  He/she is wasting his/her time.

Hey Stucky, any comments on my post earlier clarifying what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation?

Ladonia, I'm not Catholic so I am not qualified to clarify what the Catholic Church teaches about salvation, however, as a non-Catholic, with many ties to the Catholic church, I can state that I have actually talked to priests, nuns and laymen that have said their church teaches that works must be made a part of salvation after faith.  My opinion is that man is saved by faith alone.

So then,  please do me the courtesy of going back one page to my post #99 where I have listed the actual teaching of the Catholic Church as written in the catechism as regards this matter.

You did not however mention the "works" idea before, but  yes it is true that works are a part of salvation process as it is pointed out in the Scriptures many times over. It's not one nor the other, but both in my humble opinion.

  You dont give up do you dear?  I dont know what you want me to comment on?  I read it, and?

And you either agree or disagree with those words as to what the Catholic Church actually teaches as regards salvation. (And please don't call me "dear", my wife is the jealous type. Brother or friend would do just fine) LOL

  Sorry dude, Ladonia is a girls name where I live.  No, I disagree that faith must be accompanied by worls to save someone.  My belief, based on my interpretation of Scripture, after prayerful study and the clarification of the Holy Spirit, is that salvation is based on faith alone, period, no more, no less.

And that is a belief shared by many.  However, the many biblical exhortations include both the works and faith idea. You can have all the faith you want that Jesus saved you, but if you live a life of debaucherry and no good Jesus will say to you on that fateful day and I paraphrase: "Away from me Satan, I do not know you" or "What you did not do to the least of them, you did not do to me". So faith AND works do go together, otherwise they would not have both been mentioned.

But I can respect your opinion, coming as you do from a different standpoint of the Christian experience. God bless.

We're not done Ladonia, unless you need to leave.

Exactly what sins did Jesus not forgive on the cross?

There were none. Forgiveness of sins can always be found in the person of Christ. (Though I wouldn't want to blaspheme the Holy Spirit)

Then you are making my argument for me Ladonia.  I am always going to sin, that is the way of humanity, but my acceptence of God's free gift of Grace, through my faith in the atoning blood of Jesus is all needs be done for my salvation.

Well, of course, surely we have faith that that is true - if it is accepted by the individual. Salvation is given freely, it exists because of the sacrifice and anyone can avail themselves of it, but that does not negate that we as believers must have an active and positive role to play in actually achieving it. To those ends,  that means obeying the Commandments as Jesus tells us to do and to us orthodox Christians, the acceptance of the sacraments as a way to live holy and pleasing lives to God.

But that then begs the question: Do you believe that you can lose your salvation?

Wait, back up a sec and then I'll answer your question.  So, do you obey all the Ten Commandments without ever breaking one?  Must you also partake of the sacraments to be forgiven?  Are you therefore perfect as Jesus was?  Why then did Jesus need to die in your place? No, once saved, always saved.

I agree with you you on the forgiveness of Christ, even if we break one of the Commandments. The sacraments themselves are not there to offer forgiveness, (except the sacrament of reconcilliation of course) but serve as guidelines, a means to help us live holy lives, a way for God's graces to be showered upon us. For me they are an integral part of my worship of God. And of course I am not perfect as Jesus was, I am but a lowly sinner trying to do my best and can receive from Him forgiveness upon repentance.

Why did Jesus need to die in my place? It was part of God's plan, the one sacrifice for all - and we are the beneficiaries.

But along the lines of what we were discussing before, what did Christ tell the rich man when he asked what he needed to do to attain eternal life? Christ told him as recorded in Matt 19 v 17:

"And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments".

So Christ right there is telling us that we need to do some things to attain eternal life. Salvation is not a passive thing, each one of us has to be actively involved.

And as far as this OSAS business, I do not believe such a thing. Each one of us can throw it all away (salvation) and end up in the bosom of the evil one. We shall disagree on this one.

[Stucky]

Okay Ladonia, you have your opinion and I have mine.  I'm tired of beating this dead horse.

[winsome]

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Wow!

A lot of misunderstandings of Catholic teaching there, and a lot of misinterpretation of what the Bible says too.

[Stucky]

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Wow!

A lot of misunderstandings of Catholic teaching there, and a lot of misinterpretation of what the Bible says too.

Winsome, you seem to be very knowledgeable about the RCC and a very nice person, could you take that article and, piece by piece, refute whatever in it is wrong?  Thanks.

[Ladonia]

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Wow!

A lot of misunderstandings of Catholic teaching there, and a lot of misinterpretation of what the Bible says too.

Winsome, you seem to be very knowledgeable about the RCC and a very nice person, could you take that article and, piece by piece, refute whatever in it is wrong?  Thanks.

This shouldn't be too difficult. What this is a persoms opinion due to the their religious bias and total misinterpretation of the Scriptures. I shall start out with paragraph 1.

"The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity."

The RCC is nothing but "true biblical Christianity". Starting with Jesus Christ himself who appoints the Aoostle Peter (Matt 16v18) as the head administrator of his (Christ's) newly founded One Universal Christian Church. You may not accept this interpretation, but billions of Christians over the many centuries did and presently do.

The next paragraph talks about the RCC preaching a "false gospel". Preaching the death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ for our and the whole world's salvation is not a false a gospel.

So right off the bat we have two mistatement of facts and truth of the Catholic Church. When time permits I will respond to the others or some of my learned  friends may do so as their time permits.

[Stucky]

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Wow!

A lot of misunderstandings of Catholic teaching there, and a lot of misinterpretation of what the Bible says too.

Winsome, you seem to be very knowledgeable about the RCC and a very nice person, could you take that article and, piece by piece, refute whatever in it is wrong?  Thanks.

This shouldn't be too difficult. What this is a persoms opinion due to the their religious bias and total misinterpretation of the Scriptures. I shall start out with paragraph 1.

"The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity."

The RCC is nothing but "true biblical Christianity". Starting with Jesus Christ himself who appoints the Aoostle Peter (Matt 16v18) as the head administrator of his (Christ's) newly founded One Universal Christian Church. You may not accept this interpretation, but billions of Christians over the many centuries did and presently do.

The next paragraph talks about the RCC preaching a "false gospel". Preaching the death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ for our and the whole world's salvation is not a false a gospel.

So right off the bat we have two mistatement of facts and truth of the Catholic Church. When time permits I will respond to the others or some of my learned  friends may do so as their time permits.

Thanks, but couldnt what YOU say be considered your opinion?

[neophyte]

Stucky, no, it's due to you and your ilks misinterpretation of Holy Scripture. One God, One Church ,One Interpretation. The chaos and confusion started with the man-made Protestant Reformation with there confused spirit [ s ] leading man-made inventors of many conflicting churches, sects and cults. Either Jesus lied in Matt.16:15-19 to protect His One Universal [ Catholic ] Apostolic Church or your Protestantism is made up of many different spirits all with a different interpretation of the Holy Bible. So which is it ; Jesus either made a mistake or possibly  lied or a confused Holy Spirit that introduced this mess of conflicting Protestant churches/cults, or did God get it right the first time along with His personal promise of always protecting His Church ,base/formed on His Apostles/successors?

[Ladonia]

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Wow!

A lot of misunderstandings of Catholic teaching there, and a lot of misinterpretation of what the Bible says too.

Winsome, you seem to be very knowledgeable about the RCC and a very nice person, could you take that article and, piece by piece, refute whatever in it is wrong?  Thanks.

This shouldn't be too difficult. What this is a persoms opinion due to the their religious bias and total misinterpretation of the Scriptures. I shall start out with paragraph 1.

"The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity."

The RCC is nothing but "true biblical Christianity". Starting with Jesus Christ himself who appoints the Aoostle Peter (Matt 16v18) as the head administrator of his (Christ's) newly founded One Universal Christian Church. You may not accept this interpretation, but billions of Christians over the many centuries did and presently do.

The next paragraph talks about the RCC preaching a "false gospel". Preaching the death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ for our and the whole world's salvation is not a false a gospel.

So right off the bat we have two mistatement of facts and truth of the Catholic Church. When time permits I will respond to the others or some of my learned  friends may do so as their time permits.

Thanks, but couldnt what YOU say be considered your opinion?

Yes, it is my opinion that the Latin Church has indeed the correct interpretation of the Holy Scriptures.

[Stucky]

Roman Catholicism

 

The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity. Many distinct and serious differences exist between the two entities. What are the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church that distinguish it from biblical Christianity? Lengthy books have been written on this subject, but as an overview some of the differences in doctrine are outlined below with Scripture references to validate the biblical teaching. [1]



The differences are great and for the most part the Catholic Church would fall into the false religion category. This analysis is not intended to offend good Catholic people, but rather to point out how vastly different the true Gospel of Jesus Christ is from the gospel of Rome. It is up to each individual to study what they are being taught in light of the Bible, God's inerrant Word.

Roman Catholicism Teaches:                                                   

The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church. 

God has entrusted revelation to the bishops.

The Pope is infallible in his teaching. 

Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God.

Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption.

Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions.

Initial justification is by means of baptism.

Adults must prepare for justification through faith and good works. 

Grace is merited by: good works.

Salvation is attained by cooperating with grace through faith, good works, and participation in the sacraments. 

No one can know if he will attain to eternal life.   

The Roman Catholic Church is necessary for salvation.

Christ's body and blood exist wholly and entirely in every fragment of consecrated bread and wine in every Roman Catholic Church around the world.

The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.   

Each sacrifice of the Mass appeases God's wrath against sin. 

The sacrificial work of redemption is continually carried out through the sacrifice of the Mass.

Biblical Teaching

Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18).                 

God has entrusted revelation to the saints (Jude 3).                     

God alone is infallible (Numbers 23:19; Acts 17:11).                                                   

Scripture alone is the Word of God  (John 10:35; 2 Timothy 3:16-17; 2 peter 1:20-21), Mark 7:1-13).

Christ alone is the Redeemer, for He alone suffered and died for sin (1 Peter 1:18-19).

Christ Jesus is the one mediator to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions (1 Timothy 2:5; John 14:13-14; 1 Peter 5:7).

Justification is by faith alone (Romans 3:28).                       

God justifies ungodly sinners who believe (Romans 4:5). Good works are the result of salvation, not the cause  (Ephesians 2:8-10).                     

Grace is a free gift (Romans 11:6).                   

Salvation is attained by grace through faith apart from works  (Ephesians 2:10).               

The believer can know that he has eternal life by the Word of God and the testimony of the Holy Spirit who indwells believers  (1 John 5:13; Romans 8:16).                         

There is salvation in no one but the Lord Jesus Christ, "for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved"  (Acts 4:12).                 

The bread and wine are symbols of the body and blood of Christ, and He is bodily present in heaven (1 Corinthians 11:23-25; Hebrews 10:12-13).                                                     

The sacrifice of the cross is finished (John 19:30).                 

The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).             

The sacrificial work of redemption was finished when Christ gave His life for us on the cross (Ephesians 1:7; Hebrews 1:3).                               

No amount of self-punishment or efforts can atone our sins. Our sins have already been punished fully in the body of Jesus. Only His finished work satisfies God. One must let go of the false teaching that God needs our help to wash away your sins. Jesus alone is the propitiation for our sins.

In many instances the doctrines of the Catholic Church were slowly adopted over many years as various popes issued decrees. In most cases, the doctrines are not even based on Scripture, but on a document of the church. Most Roman Catholics consider themselves to be Christians and are unaware of the differences between their beliefs and the Bible.  Tragically, the Roman Catholic Church has championed that ignorance by discouraging personal study of the Bible and making the people reliant on the priests for their understanding of the Bible, which is the direct opposite of what the Holy Bible teaches, not the altered Catholic "bible." God commands us to study his Word and correctly interpret it.

"These were more fair-minded than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness, and searched the Scriptures daily to find out whether these things were so" (Acts 17:11).

"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God, a worker who does not need to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).

Notes                                                                               

[1] http://www.gotquestions.org/Catholic-Biblical.html

Wow!

A lot of misunderstandings of Catholic teaching there, and a lot of misinterpretation of what the Bible says too.

Winsome, you seem to be very knowledgeable about the RCC and a very nice person, could you take that article and, piece by piece, refute whatever in it is wrong?  Thanks.

This shouldn't be too difficult. What this is a persoms opinion due to the their religious bias and total misinterpretation of the Scriptures. I shall start out with paragraph 1.

"The Roman Catholic Church is often confused with true biblical Christianity."

The RCC is nothing but "true biblical Christianity". Starting with Jesus Christ himself who appoints the Aoostle Peter (Matt 16v18) as the head administrator of his (Christ's) newly founded One Universal Christian Church. You may not accept this interpretation, but billions of Christians over the many centuries did and presently do.

The next paragraph talks about the RCC preaching a "false gospel". Preaching the death and resurrection of Our Lord Jesus Christ for our and the whole world's salvation is not a false a gospel.

So right off the bat we have two mistatement of facts and truth of the Catholic Church. When time permits I will respond to the others or some of my learned  friends may do so as their time permits.

Thanks, but couldnt what YOU say be considered your opinion?

Yes, it is my opinion that the Latin Church has indeed the correct interpretation of the Holy Scriptures.

Thanks for being so reasonable, it's my opinion that it doesn't.  We'll probably both be in Heaven though.

[Ladonia]

"The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church."

Yes, this is true and is sustained by the Scriptures and historical fact. 

"God has entrusted revelation to the bishops".

Yes, and to his Holy Church at large. "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it". and "He who hears you, hears me". Christ is talking about the one Universal (Catholic) Christian physical church he established on this earth for the continued salvation of souls.

"The Pope is infallible in his teaching".

Yes. In matters of faith and morals the Pope is infalible. Speaking with the help of the Holy Spirit and with Christ's mandate ("He who hears you, hears me"), this idea makes sense.

"Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God".

True again. The Scriptures as we know them didn't exist for some 300 years. The spreading of the word was done through preaching and the traditions that were establihed by the Apostles and those of the early church after them.

"Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption".

Yes, true again. Without the co-operation of the Blessed Mother there would have been no Savior and thus no redemption.. This is not meant to mean that she was the annoited one, or the sacrificial lamb, but she played an integral part in God's plan for mankind.

"Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions".

We can ask her to pray for us, she who is in heaven has the ear of Jesus, her son. She is not dead, but as alive in Christ as we are. When you ask me to pray for you, I am acting as a mediator between you and Christ. I am actively participating in asking God to help you in Jesus' name. Again, she is not the Savior as the Latin Church proclaims that there is but one mediator between God and man - Jesus Christ.

[Stucky]

"The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church."

Yes, this is true and is sustained by the Scriptures and historical fact. 

"God has entrusted revelation to the bishops".

Yes, and to his Holy Church at large. "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it". and "He who hears you, hears me". Christ is talking about the one Universal (Catholic) Christian physical church he established on this earth for the continued salvation of souls.

"The Pope is infallible in his teaching".

Yes. In matters of faith and morals the Pope is infalible. Speaking with the help of the Holy Spirit and with Christ's mandate ("He who hears you, hears me"), this idea makes sense.

"Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God".

True again. The Scriptures as we know them didn't exist for some 300 years. The spreading of the word was done through preaching and the traditions that were establihed by the Apostles and those of the early church after them.

"Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption".

Yes, true again. Without the co-operation of the Blessed Mother there would have been Savior and thus no redemption.. This is not meant to mean that she was the annoited one, or the sacrificial lamb, but she played an integral part in God's plan for mankind.

"Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions".

We can ask her to pray for us, she who is in heaven has the ear of Jesus, her son. She is not dead, but as alive in Christ as we are. When you ask me to pray for you, I am acting as a mediator between you and Christ. I am actively participating in asking God to help you in Jesus' name. Again, she is not the Savior as the Latin Church proclaims that there is but one mediator between God and man - Jesus Christ.

Thank you for sharing your opinions Ladonia.

[Ladonia]

"The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church."

Yes, this is true and is sustained by the Scriptures and historical fact. 

"God has entrusted revelation to the bishops".

Yes, and to his Holy Church at large. "The gates of hell shall not prevail against it". and "He who hears you, hears me". Christ is talking about the one Universal (Catholic) Christian physical church he established on this earth for the continued salvation of souls.

"The Pope is infallible in his teaching".

Yes. In matters of faith and morals the Pope is infalible. Speaking with the help of the Holy Spirit and with Christ's mandate ("He who hears you, hears me"), this idea makes sense.

"Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God".

True again. The Scriptures as we know them didn't exist for some 300 years. The spreading of the word was done through preaching and the traditions that were establihed by the Apostles and those of the early church after them.

"Mary is the co-redeemer, for she participated with Christ in the painful act of redemption".

Yes, true again. Without the co-operation of the Blessed Mother there would have been Savior and thus no redemption.. This is not meant to mean that she was the annoited one, or the sacrificial lamb, but she played an integral part in God's plan for mankind.

"Mary is the co-mediator, to whom we can entrust all our cares and petitions".

We can ask her to pray for us, she who is in heaven has the ear of Jesus, her son. She is not dead, but as alive in Christ as we are. When you ask me to pray for you, I am acting as a mediator between you and Christ. I am actively participating in asking God to help you in Jesus' name. Again, she is not the Savior as the Latin Church proclaims that there is but one mediator between God and man - Jesus Christ.

Thank you for sharing your opinions Ladonia.

You are very welcome. To be continued.....

[winsome]

A couple of comments on Ladonia's replies,

Mary as co-redeemer - as far as I know this is not an official doctrine or title for Mary, though some may use it.

Mary as co-mediator – the Church uses the term Mediatrix as in the Vatican II document Lumen Gentium. I think the feminine form is because co-mediator is more likely to be misunderstood.

She conceived, brought forth and nourished Christ. she presented Him to the Father in the temple, and was united with Him by compassion as He died on the Cross. In this singular way she cooperated by her obedience, faith, hope and burning charity in the work of the Saviour in giving back supernatural life to souls.......... Therefore the Blessed Virgin is invoked by the Church under the titles of Advocate, Auxiliatrix, Adjutrix, and Mediatrix

It also adds, and this is important "This, however, is to be so understood that it neither takes away from nor adds anything to the dignity and efficaciousness of Christ the one Mediator."

I think the main problem with the list is that it's sort of right, but only if understood in the correct way. The way it is presented is likey to be misunderstood - quite clever really.

For example it doesn't give any of the impoprtant caveats against "The Pope is infallible in his teaching".

It says "Scripture and tradition together are the Word of God". Note the "tradition" with a small "t" which denotes man made traditions, whereas Catholics use Tradition with a capital "T" to denote the teaching passed on by the apostles (often called Sacred Tradition)

BTW did you know that the "Rapture Ready" site where this list comes from is accused by some (at least the forum past) of being run by satanists to entrap Christians?
http://www.talkjesus.com/evidence-bible-prophecy/26544-beware-rapture-ready-forum.html

[winsome]

Some more clever phrasing that subtly distorts the Catholic position

Roman Catholicism Teaches: The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church.
Biblical Teaching: Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18)

Yes, but what Catholics understand in this context is that the Bishops with the Pope as their head rule the universal church on earth under Christ. And yes, we agree that "Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church" (Colossians 1:18)."         



Roman Catholicism Teaches:  The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.     
Biblical Teaching: The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).

Catholics believe Heb 10:12-18

The Catechism makes it very clear there is only one sacrifice see CCC1330, 1362,1364, 1366, 1407, 1544. 

It's memory is perpetuated, but the statement implies the sacrifice is perpetuated.
1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit:

[Christ], our Lord and God, was once and for all to offer himself to God the Father by his death on the altar of the cross, to accomplish there an everlasting redemption. But because his priesthood was not to end with his death, at the Last Supper "on the night when he was betrayed," [he wanted] to leave to his beloved spouse the Church a visible sacrifice (as the nature of man demands) by which the bloody sacrifice which he was to accomplish once for all on the cross would be re-presented, its memory perpetuated until the end of the world, and its salutary power be applied to the forgiveness of the sins we daily commit.

Don't we all perpetuate the memory of what Christ did for us?

These sort of lists are fundamentally dishonest.

[FireSword]

Stucky, no, it's due to you and your ilks misinterpretation of Holy Scripture. One God, One Church ,One Interpretation. The chaos and confusion started with the man-made Protestant Reformation with there confused spirit [ s ] leading man-made inventors of many conflicting churches, sects and cults. Either Jesus lied in Matt.16:15-19 to protect His One Universal [ Catholic ] Apostolic Church or your Protestantism is made up of many different spirits all with a different interpretation of the Holy Bible. So which is it ; Jesus either made a mistake or possibly  lied or a confused Holy Spirit that introduced this mess of conflicting Protestant churches/cults, or did God get it right the first time along with His personal promise of always protecting His Church ,base/formed on His Apostles/successors?

Catholics had access to the bible, Jews had access to the bible, doesn't mean they followed God. Some did and some didn't. a confused and conflicted church. At least with protestant churches most agree with each other and if one doesn't agree they can try to find another Church that preaches what they agree with.

[Stucky]

Stucky, no, it's due to you and your ilks misinterpretation of Holy Scripture. One God, One Church ,One Interpretation. The chaos and confusion started with the man-made Protestant Reformation with there confused spirit [ s ] leading man-made inventors of many conflicting churches, sects and cults. Either Jesus lied in Matt.16:15-19 to protect His One Universal [ Catholic ] Apostolic Church or your Protestantism is made up of many different spirits all with a different interpretation of the Holy Bible. So which is it ; Jesus either made a mistake or possibly  lied or a confused Holy Spirit that introduced this mess of conflicting Protestant churches/cults, or did God get it right the first time along with His personal promise of always protecting His Church ,base/formed on His Apostles/successors?

"Ilks", Neophyte?  Really?  "Ilks"?  How did you and your "ilks" interpret scripture to say Jesus allowed the selling of indulgences for cash to prepay the penalty of sinning?  Was that a "Misinterpretation of Scripture by the "infallible" church?  Where in Scripture did Jesus say the RCC should put to death Jews?  What Scripture allows priests to molest little boys and the heirarchy of the church does nothing?  Was Jesus "protecting the Catholic church and approving of all the terrible things it did throughout history?  How about the popes committing fornication?  Where is the Scripture that allows that?

How about all these? http://listverse.com/2011/06/08/top-10-shameful-moments-in-catholic-history/
What Scripture does the RCC use to show that Jesus was fine with these?

[Ladonia]

Some more clever phrasing that subtly distorts the Catholic position

Roman Catholicism Teaches: The Bishops, with the Pope as their head, rule the universal church.
Biblical Teaching: Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church (Colossians 1:18)

Yes, but what Catholics understand in this context is that the Bishops with the Pope as their head rule the universal church on earth under Christ. And yes, we agree that "Christ, the head of the body, rules the universal church" (Colossians 1:18)."         



Roman Catholicism Teaches:  The sacrifice of the cross is perpetuated in the Sacrifice of the Mass.     
Biblical Teaching: The once-for-all sacrifice of the cross fully appeased God's wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:12-18).

Catholics believe Heb 10:12-18

The Catechism makes it very clear there is only one sacrifice see CCC1330, 1362,1364, 1366, 1407, 1544. 

It's memory is perpetuated, but the statement implies the sacrifice is perpetuated.
1366 The Eucharist is thus a sacrifice because it re-presents (makes present) the sacrifice of the cross, because it is its memorial and because it applies its fruit:

[Christ], our Lord and God, was once and for all to offer himself to God the Father by his death on the altar of the cross, to accomplish there an everlasting redemption. But because his priesthood was not to end with his death, at the Last Supper "on the night when he was betrayed," [he wanted] to leave to his beloved spouse the Church a visible sacrifice (as the nature of man demands) by which the bloody sacrifice which he was to accomplish once for all on the cross would be re-presented, its memory perpetuated until the end of the world, and its salutary power be applied to the forgiveness of the sins we daily commit.

Don't we all perpetuate the memory of what Christ did for us?

These sort of lists are fundamentally dishonest.

The source of these lists of Catholic teachings needs to be considered. You can be rest assured this wasn't put together by the folks at EWTN. We were however able to work with what was there and in the process clear up some things for our non-catholic friends. Thanks for taking up my slack!