A person who sin is not a Christian!

[DaveW]

You can justify your sins that way, but if you deliberately commit a sin you will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.

A Christian is a temple of God and no filth/sin will ever enter God's temple.

There is the rub.  Most sins are NOT DELIBERATE.

Sin is missing the mark (archery term) meaning you were TRYING to hit it right but did not. Bad aim.  Not enough power to the arrow. Over shot the target.

Making sin ONLY deliberate disobedience is watering down the definiton.

There are 3 different things:

Sin - missing the mark
Trespass - willful disobedience
Iniquity - transgenerational effects of sins and transgressions

[Bitter Sweet]

I don't think you answered my question, Giver.  

What answer would you give if God were to ask you why He should let you enter His kingdom?

If Jesus asked me such a question, I would ask him if in his old age if his memory was failing.  Jesus told me that I would be one with him and then we would be one with the Father.  

The only reason I know of that God has chosen me to be with him is that I obey him.  

Hey Giver, I'm not going to mock God by questioning you about perfection.

I do want to say that this is the ultimate goal that God wants us to achieve. Jesus wasn't perceived well by the pharisees either. They all mocked him in disbelief. Sad to see that happening on a Christian message board too.

There's a bunch of wolves in sheep clothing, glad to see you are safe from them as God promised you would be. Keep standing your ground and watch them with me jumping the fence to get to the other side.

Being perfect isn't always what it is imagined to be, the bible says being with God is unimaginable. Trying to imagine perfection won't get anyone there any faster either.  

[Giver]

You can justify your sins that way, but if you deliberately commit a sin you will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.

A Christian is a temple of God and no filth/sin will ever enter God's temple.

There is the rub.  Most sins are NOT DELIBERATE.

Sin is missing the mark (archery term) meaning you were TRYING to hit it right but did not. Bad aim.  Not enough power to the arrow. Over shot the target.

Making sin ONLY deliberate disobedience is watering down the definiton.

There are 3 different things:

Sin - missing the mark
Trespass - willful disobedience
Iniquity - transgenerational effects of sins and transgressions

Any wrongdoing is a sin.  Not all sins lead to death.  (1 John 5: 17) "If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the sinner - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that.  Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

A sin that leads to death is any wrongdoing that one knows is wrong and willfully commits.

A wrongdoing that one commits without his or her knowing or giving one's consent, is a sin, but only needs prayer and will not lead to death.
The Holy Spirit will make a person aware of these wrongdoings and give a person instruction on how to overcome these faults. 

[DaveW]

A sin that leads to death is any wrongdoing that one knows is wrong and willfully commits.

A wrongdoing that one commits without his or her knowing or giving one's consent, is a sin, but only needs prayer and will not lead to death.

Where in scripture do you get these definitions?

[Giver]

A sin that leads to death is any wrongdoing that one knows is wrong and willfully commits.

A wrongdoing that one commits without his or her knowing or giving one's consent, is a sin, but only needs prayer and will not lead to death.

Where in scripture do you get these definitions?

(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[ChristNU]

Is not the wages of sin, death?? It seems you have confused physical death with spiritual death.

The reason so many are upset with your claims of perfection Giver, with your claims to be sinless, is because Christians believe there is and has only been One sinless Man, the Man Jesus Christ. And that now He continues to live His sinless life in and through Christians by His Spirit. He is the Seed that cannot sin,

If we had perfect faith, we could be sinless. If we were always and only living in total dependency upon Christ, in the same way that He lived in total dependency upon His Father, then we would be as perfect as He was. But we don't live that way 100% of the time; no one does, we all fall short, and we all fall short because we all still have the flesh with us, and the flesh never gets "better", it does not improve, it will always be set against the things of the Spirit, so that we do not always do what we, in our spirit, want to do.

Until the day when our corruptibility is exchanged for incorruptibility, until that day, we will not perfectly live by faith, and whatever is not of faith is sin.

[Thankfulldad]

Any wrongdoing is a sin.  Not all sins lead to death.  (1 John 5: 17) “If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the sinner - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that.  Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

A sin that leads to death is any wrongdoing that one knows is wrong and willfully commits.

The sin that leads to death is the sin of rejection of the Holy Spirit.  When you reject God's plan of salvation...you reject His Spirit; and God's plan was the Lamb slain before the foundations of this world...the death of Jesus on the cross for the atonement of our sins.

You reject that...and there is a certainty of death, everlasting torment.

So I ask you again giver:

Do you trust in God's plan of Salvation for eternal life?

Or

Do you trust in self...yourself not sinning for eternal life?

Zero wiggle room; it is God's plan or Givers plan (in your situation)...

[Bitter Sweet]

Let's not forget, God's thoughts are not like man. So what we think God thinks, may not be so with God.

It's indescribable, unimaginable.  Nobody but God and Giver knows and believe me, you will know for certain in this life where you stand with God.

[MeMyself]

Any wrongdoing is a sin.  Not all sins lead to death.  (1 John 5: 17) "If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the sinner - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that.  Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

A sin that leads to death is any wrongdoing that one knows is wrong and willfully commits.

The sin that leads to death is the sin of rejection of the Holy Spirit.  When you reject God's plan of salvation...you reject His Spirit; and God's plan was the Lamb slain before the foundations of this world...the death of Jesus on the cross for the atonement of our sins.

You reject that...and there is a certainty of death, everlasting torment.

So I ask you again giver:

Do you trust in God's plan of Salvation for eternal life?

Or

Do you trust in self...yourself not sinning for eternal life?

Zero wiggle room; it is God's plan or Givers plan (in your situation)...

Exactly!  God's ways may be higher than our ways, we may not fully understand His mind, BUT on the issue of salvation, He has been VERY clear! He leaves no room for us to wonder on that issue!  Jesus said HE alone is the way to the Father.  Many are offended by His claim still today just like they were when He first breathed them.  
The mocking of God comes when we try and drag people off the narrow road of Christ ...and insist or even imply that salvation can be found elsewhere.

[Ladonia]

You can justify your sins that way, but if you deliberately commit a sin you will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.

A Christian is a temple of God and no filth/sin will ever enter God's temple.

There is the rub.  Most sins are NOT DELIBERATE.

Sin is missing the mark (archery term) meaning you were TRYING to hit it right but did not. Bad aim.  Not enough power to the arrow. Over shot the target.

Making sin ONLY deliberate disobedience is watering down the definiton.

There are 3 different things:

Sin - missing the mark
Trespass - willful disobedience
Iniquity - transgenerational effects of sins and transgressions

Any wrongdoing is a sin.  Not all sins lead to death.  (1 John 5: 17) "If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the sinner - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that.  Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

A sin that leads to death is any wrongdoing that one knows is wrong and willfully commits.

A wrongdoing that one commits without his or her knowing or giving one's consent, is a sin, but only needs prayer and will not lead to death.
The Holy Spirit will make a person aware of these wrongdoings and give a person instruction on how to overcome these faults. 

But Giver, in this thread you seemed to be pretty emphatic in stating that you did not sin.  Now you are saying "Any wrongdoing is sin" and "Not all sin leads to death". So, are you ever guilty of wrongdoing?

[Giver]

How many of you have a relationship with Jesus where you ask him what you should or should not do in your actions?  Then wait for his instructions before doing what you do?

People will ask God something, and then take for an answer some other person's words, or some other event that seem to be an answer.

Jesus said his people would hear his voice and follow no other.  Well then listen for Jesus speaking to you, and come to know his voice, and don't listen to anyone else. 

One will, using their power, ever defeat Satan/sin.  The only way to defeat Satan is to be possessed by God.

Jesus called us to be perfect, and he gave us the way to become perfect.

[MeMyself]

How many of you have a relationship with Jesus where you ask him what you should or should not do in your actions?  Then wait for his instructions before doing what you do?

People will ask God something, and then take for an answer some other person's words, or some other event that seem to be an answer.

Jesus said his people would hear his voice and follow no other.  Well then listen for Jesus speaking to you, and come to know his voice, and don't listen to anyone else. 

One will, using their power, ever defeat Satan/sin.  The only way to defeat Satan is to be possessed by God.

Jesus called us to be perfect, and he gave us the way to become perfect.

yep.  and that one way is to accept Him as Lord, confess with our mouth and believe with our hearts that God raised Him from the dead. 

That is where our walk begins...as we mature in Him, we will learn to wait upon Him, and want to follow His leading in our lives. (so I agree with what you say about knowing His voice)

[Giver]

You can justify your sins that way, but if you deliberately commit a sin you will not enter the kingdom of Heaven.

A Christian is a temple of God and no filth/sin will ever enter God's temple.

There is the rub.  Most sins are NOT DELIBERATE.

Sin is missing the mark (archery term) meaning you were TRYING to hit it right but did not. Bad aim.  Not enough power to the arrow. Over shot the target.

Making sin ONLY deliberate disobedience is watering down the definiton.

There are 3 different things:

Sin - missing the mark
Trespass - willful disobedience
Iniquity - transgenerational effects of sins and transgressions

Any wrongdoing is a sin.  Not all sins lead to death.  (1 John 5: 17) "If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the sinner - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that.  Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

A sin that leads to death is any wrongdoing that one knows is wrong and willfully commits.

A wrongdoing that one commits without his or her knowing or giving one's consent, is a sin, but only needs prayer and will not lead to death.
The Holy Spirit will make a person aware of these wrongdoings and give a person instruction on how to overcome these faults. 

But Giver, in this thread you seemed to be pretty emphatic in stating that you did not sin.  Now you are saying "Any wrongdoing is sin" and "Not all sin leads to death". So, are you ever guilty of wrongdoing?

That is a good question, and I had to sit, think, and ask Jesus if I am guilty of any wrongdoing.  I am not aware of any infractions, and Jesus tells me that I am not guilty of any. 

After a time sin ceases to become an issue in one's life.  The Holy Spirit keeps teaching and correcting until living totally as God wants one to live becomes a habit.

I tell people that Jesus sat next to me and personally taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  People can't believe that Jesus does such a thing.  I also have been told by Jesus to share what I am sharing, but the only way one can ever be sure of anything about God is if God personally

[Thankfulldad]

I tell people that Jesus sat next to me and personally taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  People can’t believe that Jesus does such a thing.  I also have been told by Jesus to share what I am sharing, but the only way one can ever be sure of anything about God is if God personally

Giver...I hate to burst your bubble; however, what you are sharing is what a deceiving spirit would instruct a man. 

God's plan for our salvation...is the cross of Jesus, and His shed blood for our sins.  There is no other plan...certainly not one where we are to go sinless in order to enter the kingdom of God.  You have been greatly deceived.......the fact that you cannot answer my question; is alarming for one who claims to be a Christian.

[Giver]

I tell people that Jesus sat next to me and personally taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  People can’t believe that Jesus does such a thing.  I also have been told by Jesus to share what I am sharing, but the only way one can ever be sure of anything about God is if God personally

Giver...I hate to burst your bubble; however, what you are sharing is what a deceiving spirit would instruct a man. 

God's plan for our salvation...is the cross of Jesus, and His shed blood for our sins.  There is no other plan...certainly not one where we are to go sinless in order to enter the kingdom of God.  You have been greatly deceived.......the fact that you cannot answer my question; is alarming for one who claims to be a Christian.

If one sin he or she is of the devil.  A devil will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.  A person who sins will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

[Bitter Sweet]

This reminds me of Giver, just close your eyes and listen and think of your ultimate goal with Christianity.

[Thankfulldad]

I tell people that Jesus sat next to me and personally taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  People can't believe that Jesus does such a thing.  I also have been told by Jesus to share what I am sharing, but the only way one can ever be sure of anything about God is if God personally

Giver...I hate to burst your bubble; however, what you are sharing is what a deceiving spirit would instruct a man. 

God's plan for our salvation...is the cross of Jesus, and His shed blood for our sins.  There is no other plan...certainly not one where we are to go sinless in order to enter the kingdom of God.  You have been greatly deceived.......the fact that you cannot answer my question; is alarming for one who claims to be a Christian.

If one sin he or she is of the devil.  A devil will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.  A person who sins will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Givers plan for salvation: if you sin, you are of the devil...and you will not enter the kingdom of God...

God's plan...Jesus, and His shed blood for the atonement of our sins...which shook the foundations of hell and brought us back into a right relationship with God.

Which plan sounds like the Good News of the gospel...which brings us to our knees in Thanksgiving today?

Thank you Father God, for the Love you have for us; not because we are so good, but because that is Who you are.  Thank you for your grace, thank you for Jesus and His Spirit which you have given us.  Thank you for the good in our lives...as the good is all from you.  Thank you for our Christian friends and family...that we can know with blessed assurance...that we have eternal life through you...as we are your loved and protected children.  We thank you in Jesus holy and precious name....Amen.

[Debrah]

giver, it is sad for me to read the false teaching you believe, for you keep cursing yourself and others to eternal damnation, if we believe you, we are all doomed, their is no salvation for anyone.

Your misunderstanding of scripture and salvation seems to come down to your not reading the bible as a whole story, but you are taking verses out of context.

Over and over in the NT we see Christians struggle with sin, yet they are still children of God.  Even those who may have been disciplined to the point of death, for they are with Jesus, if they were born again.

giver, I am not sure how you can ever have peace or hope in the type of salvation you believe in.

I will be praying for you.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

[MeMyself]

I tell people that Jesus sat next to me and personally taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  People can't believe that Jesus does such a thing.  I also have been told by Jesus to share what I am sharing, but the only way one can ever be sure of anything about God is if God personally

Giver...I hate to burst your bubble; however, what you are sharing is what a deceiving spirit would instruct a man. 

God's plan for our salvation...is the cross of Jesus, and His shed blood for our sins.  There is no other plan...certainly not one where we are to go sinless in order to enter the kingdom of God.  You have been greatly deceived.......the fact that you cannot answer my question; is alarming for one who claims to be a Christian.

If one sin he or she is of the devil.  A devil will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.  A person who sins will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Givers plan for salvation: if you sin, you are of the devil...and you will not enter the kingdom of God...

God's plan...Jesus, and His shed blood for the atonement of our sins...which shook the foundations of hell and brought us back into a right relationship with God.

Which plan sounds like the Good News of the gospel...which brings us to our knees in Thanksgiving today?

Thank you Father God, for the Love you have for us; not because we are so good, but because that is Who you are.  Thank you for your grace, thank you for Jesus and His Spirit which you have given us.  Thank you for the good in our lives...as the good is all from you.  Thank you for our Christian friends and family...that we can know with blessed assurance...that we have eternal life through you...as we are your loved and protected children.  We thank you in Jesus holy and precious name....Amen.

Amen!

[MeMyself]

giver, it is sad for me to read the false teaching you believe, for you keep cursing yourself and others to eternal damnation, if we believe you, we are all doomed, their is no salvation for anyone.

Your misunderstanding of scripture and salvation seems to come down to your not reading the bible as a whole story, but you are taking verses out of context.

Over and over in the NT we see Christians struggle with sin, yet they are still children of God.  Even those who may have been disciplined to the point of death, for they are with Jesus, if they were born again.

giver, I am not sure how you can ever have peace or hope in the type of salvation you believe in.

I will be praying for you.

Happy Thanksgiving to all.

To you too! :) Thank you for your post too...I agree with it 100%

[cs80918]

Look at the first sentence here this sounds like this could be sin.  What do you think people do you think Giver committed a sin by writing this sentence? It is very disrespectful, it is not honoring or loving towards God.


If Jesus asked me such a question, I would ask him if in his old age if his memory was failing.  Jesus told me that I would be one with him and then we would be one with the Father.

The only reason I know of that God has chosen me to be with him is that I obey him.
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[cs80918]

Give the main problem with your post is that you do not have love enough for other people to help them go to heaven.  You are not helping anyone.

[Talking Donkey]

You call yourself "GIVER" (boasting about your goodness) and you come here stating:

A person who sins is not a Christian.  I am a temple of God where no sin exists.

It is written:

Prov 27:2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

Repent and confess your sin.

1 Jn 1:10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

[Giver]

(1 Corinthians 3:16-16) "Do you not know that you are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy that person; for the temple of God, which you are, is holy

[Giver]

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

[Thankfulldad]

There have been many excellent posts in this thread challenging Givers belief...and, we have given Giver every opportunity; yet he refuses to acknowledge God's plan of salvation.  He continues to insist that he is without sin...and regardless of our faith; if we sin...we are headed to hell.

I suggest we leave Giver in God's hands...and we no longer recognize Giver on this forum.......He gives no hope, no compassion, no mercy, and no grace to anyone.  He is in his own little world of deceit and lies...his bubble has been burst; still, he stays under a curse...deceived and blinded by his own pride...

[comfy]

Our Apostle Peter was the first to minister the Holy Spirit to Gentiles . . . at the house of Cornelius > Acts chapter ten. Then in Galatians 2:11-13 we read how Peter and other church leaders together withdrew from Gentile-background Christians who they knew had received the Holy Spirit. Paul says they "played the hypocrite" with Peter. Playing the hypocrite is sinning. So, also, Peter betrayed the Holy Spirit whom he had ministered to Gentiles.

So, I guess we have people who believe that Peter was a sinner.

And we have how John was receiving the vision of Revelation and writing what God had him write. Then John fell down to worship an angel > Revelation 19:9-10. And we have Revelation 22:7-8 where it says he fell down to worship an angel. He sinned by worshiping an angel . . . right while he was receiving the book of Revelation.

So, I guess there are people who believe John at that time was not one who "cannot sin" and therefore he was unforgiven.

But I understand that Jesus has not made us perfect, but is still correcting us and the Holy Spirit is still maturing us in Jesus (Galatians 4:19, 2 Corinthians 3:18) who has no sin and can not sin. More and more, though, then, in His love we do not sin while we grow more and live better in God's love with His leading. God does succeed in changing us so "as He is, so are we in this world," as John has ministered in 1 John 4:17.

But John who wrote these things also confesses how he fell down to worship an angel. So, he is being honest with us. We need to follow his good example of honesty and therefore do what he did > "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16)

Glory is to You, O God our Father

[Ladonia]

I tell people that Jesus sat next to me and personally taught me that Christians are dead to sin.  People can't believe that Jesus does such a thing.  I also have been told by Jesus to share what I am sharing, but the only way one can ever be sure of anything about God is if God personally

Giver...I hate to burst your bubble; however, what you are sharing is what a deceiving spirit would instruct a man.  

God's plan for our salvation...is the cross of Jesus, and His shed blood for our sins.  There is no other plan...certainly not one where we are to go sinless in order to enter the kingdom of God.  You have been greatly deceived.......the fact that you cannot answer my question; is alarming for one who claims to be a Christian.

If one sin he or she is of the devil.  A devil will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.  A person who sins will never enter the kingdom of Heaven.

Givers plan for salvation: if you sin, you are of the devil...and you will not enter the kingdom of God...

God's plan...Jesus, and His shed blood for the atonement of our sins...which shook the foundations of hell and brought us back into a right relationship with God.

Which plan sounds like the Good News of the gospel...which brings us to our knees in Thanksgiving today?

Thank you Father God, for the Love you have for us; not because we are so good, but because that is Who you are.  Thank you for your grace, thank you for Jesus and His Spirit which you have given us.  Thank you for the good in our lives...as the good is all from you.  Thank you for our Christian friends and family...that we can know with blessed assurance...that we have eternal life through you...as we are your loved and protected children.  We thank you in Jesus holy and precious name....Amen.

I wholeheartedly agree with you here! Yes, Jesus came for us, to show forgiveness to us sinners and to help us when we call upon Him. Giver does tell us the ultimate with his posts, to be perfect as Christ was, but in reality we all sin at one point or another and we have the assurance of Christ who can make us whole again.

[comfy]

Yes, God is able to restore us. Also, we have > "Brethren, if a man is overtaken in any trespass, you who are spiritual restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness, considering yourself lest you also be tempted." (Galatians 6:1) So, God also is able to include us in restoring someone who is in "any" trespass.

But it also does say, "considering yourself lest you also be tempted."

So, if God warns us to watch ourselves so we don't get tempted, this to me shows that it is possible for even someone who is "spiritual" to give in to temptation, and so we need to watch our own selves while we laboring to help restore other people. But with God we can restore someone in "any" sin problem, I consider possible with God.

[Bitter Sweet]

 John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

Don't bother praying for Giver, God doesn't listen to sinners.  

John 9:41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Ouch, double whammy. I'd quit while I was ahead and just admit I am blind so I can start with a clean slate, eventually.

[Bitter Sweet]

1 Corinthians 9:24 Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. 25 Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last, but we do it to get a crown that will last forever. 26 Therefore I do not run like someone running aimlessly; I do not fight like a boxer beating the air. 27 No, I strike a blow to my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.

[Giver]

Our Apostle Peter was the first to minister the Holy Spirit to Gentiles . . . at the house of Cornelius > Acts chapter ten. Then in Galatians 2:11-13 we read how Peter and other church leaders together withdrew from Gentile-background Christians who they knew had received the Holy Spirit. Paul says they "played the hypocrite" with Peter. Playing the hypocrite is sinning. So, also, Peter betrayed the Holy Spirit whom he had ministered to Gentiles.

So, I guess we have people who believe that Peter was a sinner.

And we have how John was receiving the vision of Revelation and writing what God had him write. Then John fell down to worship an angel > Revelation 19:9-10. And we have Revelation 22:7-8 where it says he fell down to worship an angel. He sinned by worshiping an angel . . . right while he was receiving the book of Revelation.

So, I guess there are people who believe John at that time was not one who "cannot sin" and therefore he was unforgiven.

But I understand that Jesus has not made us perfect, but is still correcting us and the Holy Spirit is still maturing us in Jesus (Galatians 4:19, 2 Corinthians 3:18) who has no sin and can not sin. More and more, though, then, in His love we do not sin while we grow more and live better in God's love with His leading. God does succeed in changing us so "as He is, so are we in this world," as John has ministered in 1 John 4:17.

But John who wrote these things also confesses how he fell down to worship an angel. So, he is being honest with us. We need to follow his good example of honesty and therefore do what he did > "Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much." (James 5:16)

Glory is to You, O God our Father

Sinners need to make everyone a sinner as they are.  Making everyone else a sinner is their way to make themselves feel righteous even thought they are of the devil.

Judging others as sinners is one dangerous act.

Paul tells us that a spiritual person cannot be judged by anyone.

(1 Corinthians 2:10-16)  "These are the very things that God has revealed to us through the Spirit, for the Spirit reaches the depts. Of everything, even the depths of God.  After all, the depths of a man can only be known by his own spirit, not by any other man, and in the same way the depths of God can only be known by the Spirit of God. Now instead of the spirit of the world, we have received the Spirit that comes from God, to teach us to understand the gifts that he has given us.  Therefore we teach, not in the way in which philosophy is taught, but in the way that the Spirit teaches us: we teach spiritual things spiritually.  A spiritual man, on the other hand, is able to judge the value of everything and his own value in not to be judged by other men.  As scripture says;' who can know the mind of the Lord, so who can teach him?'  But we are those who have the mind of Christ.

[MeMyself]

John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly person who does his will.

Don't bother praying for Giver, God doesn't listen to sinners.  

John 9:41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Ouch, double whammy. I'd quit while I was ahead and just admit I am blind so I can start with a clean slate, eventually.

There is no clean slate.  There is no hope of one.  Giver's message is that Christ has compassion only for those who deny and reject Him.  Once they give Him their life, THAT'S when the rejection begins.  He goes from a God of love and excuse making for sin, to one who is a harsh, fault finding favorites playing bully who does not keep His promise to complete what He's begun.

Thank goodness MOST of us know our master's voice and know the voice that Giver is speaking for is NOT HIM! 

[MeMyself]

Sinners need to make everyone a sinner as they are.  Making everyone else a sinner is their way to make themselves feel righteous even thought they are of the devil.
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Giver, this is an outright lie you just told.  Not to mention slander.

You are so blind to the truth.

[Bitter Sweet]

Giver, this is an outright lie you just told.  Not to mention slander.

You are so blind to the truth.

Jesus said blind people aren't guilty of sin so Giver still isn't sinning in Jesus eyes, right? Giver isn't a sinner. Since you called him blind, then you are the one saying Jesus is a liar. How is a blind person a sinner when Jesus clearly say's he isn't?

John 9:41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Only your guilt remains since you can see and say Giver is blind. Don't blame him for YOUR problems.

Is this how Jesus talked to the blind people? NO, he healed them not calling them liars and slanders.