A person who sin is not a Christian!

[Giver]

A person who sins is not a Christian.  


(Romans 6:11) "In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus

[Thankfulldad]

A person who sins is not a Christian.

This statement is a "sin"...a blatant lie from the pit of hell.

Examine yourself...you just lied; and that is a big fat ugly ruthless sin. 

[highrigger]

A Spiritual Christian will not deliberately commit a sin.

giver,

We all sin and we all do it deliberately even if we dont want to in our heart.

1. Definition of sin is to not love our neighbor as ourself (Gods Law) 1 John 3:4.

2. When Jesus met the Young Rich Man he told Jesus he did not sin. (Many think like that)

To test him Jesus told him to give ALL he had to the poor and follow Him. The YRM deliberately did not.

We all know we would spend our last dime for ourself if we were hungry, diseased or naked.
Yet even as Christians we see this in the news and TV all the time. Yet do we give our last dime to feed, clothe and heal
these people? NO. We deliberately withold so we can live very well even though others starve and die of disease.
So it is proven we do NOT love our neighbor as ourself and we do it deliberately.


Conslusion: Anyone who says they do not sin deliberately and yet withold their money and wealth from those in need is a
hypocrite. They know what Gods Law requires and they DELIBERATELY refuse to follow it. Peace, JohnR

[Giver]

A Spiritual Christian will not deliberately commit a sin.

giver,

We all sin and we all do it deliberately even if we dont want to in our heart.

1. Definition of sin is to not love our neighbor as ourself (Gods Law) 1 John 3:4.

2. When Jesus met the Young Rich Man he told Jesus he did not sin. (Many think like that)

To test him Jesus told him to give ALL he had to the poor and follow Him. The YRM deliberately did not.

We all know we would spend our last dime for ourself if we were hungry, diseased or naked.
Yet even as Christians we see this in the news and TV all the time. Yet do we give our last dime to feed, clothe and heal
these people? NO. We deliberately withold so we can live very well even though others starve and die of disease.
So it is proven we do NOT love our neighbor as ourself and we do it deliberately.


Conslusion: Anyone who says they do not sin deliberately and yet withold their money and wealth from those in need is a
hypocrite. They know what Gods Law requires and they DELIBERATELY refuse to follow it. Peace, JohnR

I agree any wrongdoing is a sin. Not all sin leads to death though. Knowing something is wrong and if that person is a Spiritual Christian, and willfully commits that sin; now that is death.
 
(1 John 5:17) "Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

[ChristNU]

Giver, are you a Christian?

[Ladonia]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

[Giver]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

I know the Catholic Church tell you that and you believe it is true.  The written Word of God does not tell you what the Church teaches.  Jesus did not personally tell me what you believe.  By the way the Church did not always teach what you now believe, and what it now teaches.  There is a Saint who reminded the Church of that and they cut his tongue and right arm off to stop him from reminding them.

A Christian who sins is of the devil.  Now you should take note, John told us that.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[cs80918]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

I know the Catholic Church tell you that and you believe it is true.  The written Word of God does not tell you what the Church teaches.  Jesus did not personally tell me what you believe.  By the way the Church did not always teach what you now believe, and what it now teaches.  There is a Saint who reminded the Church of that and they cut his tongue and right arm off to stop him from reminding them.

A Christian who sins is of the devil.  Now you should take note, John told us that.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[Thankfulldad]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

I know the Catholic Church tell you that and you believe it is true.  The written Word of God does not tell you what the Church teaches.  Jesus did not personally tell me what you believe.  By the way the Church did not always teach what you now believe, and what it now teaches.  There is a Saint who reminded the Church of that and they cut his tongue and right arm off to stop him from reminding them.

A Christian who sins is of the devil.  Now you should take note, John told us that.

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

Well if only people who are sinless after being saved will be in heaven there will be very few in heaven.  Like less than 100.  Maybe none.

None...is the correct answer...

[Ladonia]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

I know the Catholic Church tell you that and you believe it is true.  The written Word of God does not tell you what the Church teaches.  Jesus did not personally tell me what you believe.  By the way the Church did not always teach what you now believe, and what it now teaches.  There is a Saint who reminded the Church of that and they cut his tongue and right arm off to stop him from reminding them.

A Christian who sins is of the devil.  Now you should take note, John told us that.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[Sinead]

People aren't sinless after being saved but the difference is that when a christian commits a sin they should feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit and feel remorseful and then repent.

Also a christian who practices willful sin and feels no conviction and has no desire to stop the sin.....I would have a huge question mark on that person.

[RobWLarson]

A sinner lives in sin. That is his lifestyle. A Christian is not a sinner because he does not live in sin. I have sinned sense I got saved. However, I do not constantly repeat the same sin over and over again with no self-control.

When a Christian says the quaint little phrase "I am just a sinner saved by grace" he puts in his mind a subtle excuse to commit sin. On the other hand, when a Christian says "I am not a sinner, God has saved me from my sin, He has made me into a saint." He strives to live up to the standard of God and to live in holiness, without which no man shall see God.

If we commit a sin after the bloodline(salvation)we confess that sin and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Never settle for less my brethren, always strive for holiness, and never allow yourself to think like a sinner. Rather think as a saint.

[Ladonia]

A sinner lives in sin. That is his lifestyle. A Christian is not a sinner because he does not live in sin. I have sinned sense I got saved. However, I do not constantly repeat the same sin over and over again with no self-control.

When a Christian says the quaint little phrase "I am just a sinner saved by grace" he puts in his mind a subtle excuse to commit sin. On the other hand, when a Christian says "I am not a sinner, God has saved me from my sin, He has made me into a saint." He strives to live up to the standard of God and to live in holiness, without which no man shall see God.

If we commit a sin after the bloodline(salvation)we confess that sin and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Never settle for less my brethren, always strive for holiness, and never allow yourself to think like a sinner. Rather think as a saint.

Amen on the "always strive for holiness" comment and thinking as a saint. With those ideals in our minds I think the tendency to sin is considerably lessoned. I have something in my life that I'm working to overcome and  especially thinking of the holiness aspect helps me deal more effectively with it.

[Giver]

A sinner lives in sin. That is his lifestyle. A Christian is not a sinner because he does not live in sin. I have sinned sense I got saved. However, I do not constantly repeat the same sin over and over again with no self-control.

When a Christian says the quaint little phrase "I am just a sinner saved by grace" he puts in his mind a subtle excuse to commit sin. On the other hand, when a Christian says "I am not a sinner, God has saved me from my sin, He has made me into a saint." He strives to live up to the standard of God and to live in holiness, without which no man shall see God.

If we commit a sin after the bloodline(salvation)we confess that sin and he is faithful and just to forgive us our sin and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. Never settle for less my brethren, always strive for holiness, and never allow yourself to think like a sinner. Rather think as a saint.

Amen on the "always strive for holiness" comment and thinking as a saint. With those ideals in our minds I think the tendency to sin is considerably lessoned. I have something in my life that I'm working to overcome and  especially thinking of the holiness aspect helps me deal more effectively with it.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[Giver]

People aren't sinless after being saved but the difference is that when a christian commits a sin they should feel the conviction of the Holy Spirit and feel remorseful and then repent.

Also a christian who practices willful sin and feels no conviction and has no desire to stop the sin.....I would have a huge question mark on that person.

(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.

Notice what Hebrews says?  "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins

[ChristNU]

I asked you a question Giver, which you failed to answer. Are you a Christian?

[Giver]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

I know the Catholic Church tell you that and you believe it is true.  The written Word of God does not tell you what the Church teaches.  Jesus did not personally tell me what you believe.  By the way the Church did not always teach what you now believe, and what it now teaches.  There is a Saint who reminded the Church of that and they cut his tongue and right arm off to stop him from reminding them.

A Christian who sins is of the devil.  Now you should take note, John told us that.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[Thankfulldad]

There is not an organized/denominational Church today that is teaching the whole Word of God.

Another lie from the pit of hell...

We cannot trust one word you say...you are full of lies (sin) that has you blinded to the whole Word of God...

You yourself are stuck on about 10 verses...

[Giver]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

I know the Catholic Church tell you that and you believe it is true.  The written Word of God does not tell you what the Church teaches.  Jesus did not personally tell me what you believe.  By the way the Church did not always teach what you now believe, and what it now teaches.  There is a Saint who reminded the Church of that and they cut his tongue and right arm off to stop him from reminding them.

A Christian who sins is of the devil.  Now you should take note, John told us that.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[cs80918]

I am a Christian. I am a sinner. I try not to sin, but it happens. I repent and Christ then forgives. When I die, my advocate will be Christ. Him and me before the Father.

I know the Catholic Church tell you that and you believe it is true.  The written Word of God does not tell you what the Church teaches.  Jesus did not personally tell me what you believe.  By the way the Church did not always teach what you now believe, and what it now teaches.  There is a Saint who reminded the Church of that and they cut his tongue and right arm off to stop him from reminding them.

A Christian who sins is of the devil.  Now you should take note, John told us that.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[RobWLarson]

Giver he who says he has not sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. That is what the Bible says. If you sin after having been saved, and you confess that sin then he is faithful and just to forgive you that sin and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness...again.

[Ladonia]

Apparantly Giver has reached a state of perfection and that is quite a feat because the last person I've heard about who had reached that level was................Jesus Christ!

[Giver]

Giver he who says he has not sin is a liar and the truth is not in him. That is what the Bible says. If you sin after having been saved, and you confess that sin then he is faithful and just to forgive you that sin and to cleanse you from all unrighteousness...again.

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

[Giver]

Apparantly Giver has reached a state of perfection and that is quite a feat because the last person I've heard about who had reached that level was................Jesus Christ!

You should know that Jesus called us to be perfect as the Father is perfect.  If Jesus called us to be perfect don't you think he would have given us the means to become perfect?

(Matthew 5:48) "Even the pagans do as much, do they not?  You must therefore be perfect just as your heavenly Father is perfect.

[Ladonia]

And what does Jesus say in this matter before us? In Luke 17:3-4 Our Lord says:

3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Likewise Christ answers again in Matt 18:21-22 the following:

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

I vote for forgiveness whenever one is repentant. Christ will do no less when it comes to us and our own sins.

[gospel]

Isn't this something like flaming everybody...Ahm jus' sayin  

Anyway the topic would be good for a laugh or two...

... if it were not so sad in its premise

[RobWLarson]

Was not Peter rebuked by Paul for allowing a certain amount of prejudice back into his life? Was Mark at one point become a coward and left the ministry for a time, only to come back, resulting in the great Apostle Paul refusing to give him a second chance, and in the end of Paul's life he asked for Mark to be sent to him, because he was of great value to him?

The difference between a sinner and a Christian is this, a sinner is in bondage to his sin. He cannot escape for his addictions, and his lusts. A Christian is not bond to sin. He serves a different master. However, in the rare times that he makes a mistake, that he does sin, he can go back to Jesus and receive forgiveness once again, and God then forgives him and he is released from any sort of bondage to it.

To say that you never sin, ever, you are calling God a liar and the truth is not in you.

[chosenone]

topics like this always make me want to sigh and say 'Oh no not again' The bible is clear that we are all sinners and we will never be perfect until we get to heaven. Paul says "WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT" All means all. Simple. Even a little child could understand that.
"IF we say that we are without sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is NOT in us" The Bible says. Therefore is anyone says that they are without sin, they are decieved and have no truth in them. They have the sins of pride and arrogance for a start.

[Giver]

And what does Jesus say in this matter before us? In Luke 17:3-4 Our Lord says:

3 Take heed to yourselves: If thy brother trespass against thee, rebuke him; and if he repent, forgive him.
4 And if he trespass against thee seven times in a day, and seven times in a day turn again to thee, saying, I repent; thou shalt forgive him.

Likewise Christ answers again in Matt 18:21-22 the following:

21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times?

22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times seven.

I vote for forgiveness whenever one is repentant. Christ will do no less when it comes to us and our own sins.

Did your brother die on the cross for you?  Did your brother give you the Holy Spirit, and grace to not sin?  Yes forgive your brother, but Jesus is your God, and he expects you to obey him. 

[Giver]

Was not Peter rebuked by Paul for allowing a certain amount of prejudice back into his life? Was Mark at one point become a coward and left the ministry for a time, only to come back, resulting in the great Apostle Paul refusing to give him a second chance, and in the end of Paul's life he asked for Mark to be sent to him, because he was of great value to him?

The difference between a sinner and a Christian is this, a sinner is in bondage to his sin. He cannot escape for his addictions, and his lusts. A Christian is not bond to sin. He serves a different master. However, in the rare times that he makes a mistake, that he does sin, he can go back to Jesus and receive forgiveness once again, and God then forgives him and he is released from any sort of bondage to it.

To say that you never sin, ever, you are calling God a liar and the truth is not in you.

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.

[Giver]

topics like this always make me want to sigh and say 'Oh no not again' The bible is clear that we are all sinners and we will never be perfect until we get to heaven. Paul says "WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT" All means all. Simple. Even a little child could understand that.
"IF we say that we are without sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is NOT in us" The Bible says. Therefore is anyone says that they are without sin, they are decieved and have no truth in them. They have the sins of pride and arrogance for a start.

A sinner needs to find something to make him or her feel righteous.  So saying the bible says we are all sinners then gives them an excuse to keep on sinning.  Also it helps to paint everyone black who shares that one can, and is required by God, to live without sinning.

I will give you some verses that describe someone who sin.  These verses were written by a person whom Jesus taught while he was here the first time.  Just so you don't think I made them up.

(1 John 3:9) "No one, who has been begotten by God sins; because God's seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.

[DaveW]

Giver, let me give you something - the definition of the main words translated 'sin' in our english versions.

In both testaments the words are archery terms (actually "sin" was an archery term also in middle and elizabethan english) meaning to miss the target, to not reach the target, to TRY and AIM but not make it.

So unless you absoutly hit the center of God's ultimate will and glory 100% of the time, you are sinning.

[Giver]

Giver, let me give you something - the definition of the main words translated 'sin' in our english versions.

In both testaments the words are archery terms (actually "sin" was an archery term also in middle and elizabethan english) meaning to miss the target, to not reach the target, to TRY and AIM but not make it.

So unless you absoutly hit the center of God's ultimate will and glory 100% of the time, you are sinning.

Giver, let me give you something - the definition of the main words translated 'sin' in our english versions.

In both testaments the words are archery terms (actually "sin" was an archery term also in middle and elizabethan english) meaning to miss the target, to not reach the target, to TRY and AIM but not make it.

So unless you absoutly hit the center of God's ultimate will and glory 100% of the time, you are sinning.

Dave, the Holy Spirit lets one know when he or she sins or is about to sin.  God leads one on the narrow path, and will let a person know if he or she is about to fall off that path.

Sin is any wrongdoing, and God will make sure one of his will not do anything wrong.  Some wrongdoings do not lead to death, and are human errors that come from hurts, and those wrongdoings take some healings, which may only be healed over time.

John told us about sins that don't lead to death.

(1 John 5: 17) "If anybody sees his brother commit a sin that is not a deadly sin, he has only to pray, and God will give life to the sinner - not those who commit a deadly sin; for there is a sin that is death, and I will not say that you must pray about that.  Every kind of wrongdoing is sin, but not all sin is deadly.

The wrongdoing/sin that leads to death, and the sin this thread is addressing, is one where a person knows an act is wrong, and willingly commits the act.

A sinner is of Satan, if one deliberately sins he or she does not know God, and they are of the devil.

(1 John 3:8) "He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work

[chosenone]

topics like this always make me want to sigh and say 'Oh no not again' The bible is clear that we are all sinners and we will never be perfect until we get to heaven. Paul says "WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT" All means all. Simple. Even a little child could understand that.
"IF we say that we are without sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is NOT in us" The Bible says. Therefore is anyone says that they are without sin, they are decieved and have no truth in them. They have the sins of pride and arrogance for a start.

A sinner needs to find something to make him or her feel righteous.  So saying the bible says we are all sinners then gives them an excuse to keep on sinning.  Also it helps to paint everyone black who shares that one can, and is required by God, to live without sinning.

I will give you some verses that describe someone who sin.  These verses were written by a person whom Jesus taught while he was here the first time.  Just so you don’t think I made them up.

(1 John 3:9) “No one, who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

(1 John 5: 3-4) “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world.”

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

  Anyone who truly knows God would NEVER usea verse as an excuse to carry on sinning.
However the Bible is clear "If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is NOT IN US". How much more clear and easy to understand can it be?

Anyone who claims to never sin, is sinning by doing so, so that disproves that theory straight away!

[Giver]

topics like this always make me want to sigh and say 'Oh no not again' The bible is clear that we are all sinners and we will never be perfect until we get to heaven. Paul says "WE HAVE ALL FALLEN SHORT" All means all. Simple. Even a little child could understand that.
"IF we say that we are without sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is NOT in us" The Bible says. Therefore is anyone says that they are without sin, they are decieved and have no truth in them. They have the sins of pride and arrogance for a start.

A sinner needs to find something to make him or her feel righteous.  So saying the bible says we are all sinners then gives them an excuse to keep on sinning.  Also it helps to paint everyone black who shares that one can, and is required by God, to live without sinning.

I will give you some verses that describe someone who sin.  These verses were written by a person whom Jesus taught while he was here the first time.  Just so you don’t think I made them up.

(1 John 3:9) “No one, who has been begotten by God sins; because God’s seed remains inside him, he cannot sin when he has been begotten by God.”

(1 John 5: 3-4) “This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his commands are not burdensome, for everyone born of God overcomes the world.”

(1 John 3:5-6) “Now you know that he appeared in order to abolish sin, and that in him there is no sin; anyone who lives in God does not sin, and anyone who sins has never seen him or known him.”

(1 John 3:8) “He who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil's work”

  Anyone who truly knows God would NEVER usea verse as an excuse to carry on sinning.
However the Bible is clear "If we say we have no sin we decieve ourselves and the truth is NOT IN US". How much more clear and easy to understand can it be?

Anyone who claims to never sin, is sinning by doing so, so that disproves that theory straight away!

(1 John 1: 8-10) "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness. If we claim we have not sinned, we make him out to be a liar and his word has no place in our lives.