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A person who sin is not a Christian!

Started by Giver, Sat Nov 19, 2011 - 10:19:26

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MeMyself

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 11:25:19
Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 10:36:23

Giver, this is an outright lie you just told.  Not to mention slander.

You are so blind to the truth. ::frown::

Jesus said blind people aren't guilty of sin so Giver still isn't sinning in Jesus eyes, right? Giver isn't a sinner. Since you called him blind, then you are the one saying Jesus is a liar. How is a blind person a sinner when Jesus clearly say's he isn't?

John 9:41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Only your guilt remains since you can see and say Giver is blind. Don't blame him for YOUR problems.

Is this how Jesus talked to the blind people? NO, he healed them not calling them liars and slanders.

Nope. Not even close.  I have not, nor do I call Jesus a liar.  You are following the same road of taking and using scripture out of context.  

Giver called those that are honest about our struggles with sin of the devil; that is slander.  He said we want to make everyone a sinner to feel righteous; that is a lie.  Where is your rebuke of him doing this to the posters on the board...and I think he is more than capable of speaking for himself.  I was speaking TO him, so next time I will do my best to address him alone, since I was not talking to you.

I have never blamed anyone for my problems here or anywhere, so you over step and speak of what you don't know.  Givers words (his fruit) prove he has no understanding of the gospel of Truth and hope that Christ offers...hence my comment that he was blind to the Truth. ::smile::


Bitter Sweet

#141
Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 11:48:36

Giver called those that are honest about our struggles with sin of the devil; that is slander.

So is sin of God if it isn't of the devil? I don't think so, I think it is of the devil and therefore NOT slander.


QuoteHe said we want to make everyone a sinner to feel righteous; that is a lie.  Where is your rebuke of him doing this to the posters on the board...and I think he is more than capable of speaking for himself.  I was speaking TO him, so next time I will do my best to address him alone, since I was not talking to you.

In post #137 you did talk to me, liar. It's simple just hit reply instead of quote and don't lie.

QuoteI have never blamed anyone for my problems here or anywhere, so you over step and speak of what you don't know.  Givers words (his fruit) prove he has no understanding of the gospel of Truth and hope that Christ offers...hence my comment that he was blind to the Truth. ::smile::

I don't believe you, you just lied saying you weren't talking to me when in fact you did reply to my post so I'm not listening... blah blah blah God doesn't listen to SINNERS either.

::workingout::

Debrah

bitter sweet, you have shared openly on this forum, so what I am about to share is not gossip, but to prove a point I am going to share you have admitted to living with a man, that you are not married to.

So if you believe the gospel Giver is teaching, you are not a child of God, you are going to hell.

Be wise in what you say dear one....

Bitter Sweet

#143
Quote from: Debrah on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 15:06:27So if you believe the gospel Giver is teaching, you are not a child of God, you are going to hell.

Be wise in what you say dear one....

Likewise, we remarried the other day, not that it's any of your business.

Now bite your tongue.

James 3:9 With the tongue we praise our Lord and Father, and with it we curse human beings, who have been made in God's likeness. 10 Out of the same mouth come praise and cursing. My brothers and sisters, this should not be. 11 Can both fresh water and salt water flow from the same spring? 12 My brothers and sisters, can a fig tree bear olives, or a grapevine bear figs? Neither can a salt spring produce fresh water.


Bitter Sweet

How do "Christian" sinners help other sinners while they are still sinners?

James 5:19 My brothers and sisters, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring that person back, 20 remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of their way will save them from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Aren't we told not to be hypocrites? Sorry but I don't listen to people that tell me not to sin that are sinning themselves.


James 1:25 But whoever looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues in it—not forgetting what they have heard, but doing it—they will be blessed in what they do.

Being sinless is the freedom spoken of here.

MeMyself

Quote from: Bitter Sweet on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 13:31:39
Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 11:48:36

Giver called those that are honest about our struggles with sin of the devil; that is slander.

So is sin of God if it isn't of the devil? I don't think so, I think it is of the devil and therefore NOT slander.


QuoteHe said we want to make everyone a sinner to feel righteous; that is a lie.  Where is your rebuke of him doing this to the posters on the board...and I think he is more than capable of speaking for himself.  I was speaking TO him, so next time I will do my best to address him alone, since I was not talking to you.

In post #137 you did talk to me, liar. It's simple just hit reply instead of quote and don't lie.

QuoteI have never blamed anyone for my problems here or anywhere, so you over step and speak of what you don't know.  Givers words (his fruit) prove he has no understanding of the gospel of Truth and hope that Christ offers...hence my comment that he was blind to the Truth. ::smile::

I don't believe you, you just lied saying you weren't talking to me when in fact you did reply to my post so I'm not listening... blah blah blah God doesn't listen to SINNERS either.

::workingout::

Excuse me...but you are mistaken. I was NOT talking to you in the post you responded to.  Your whole post here is very very rude and uncalled for.  I am not a liar.  Had you responded to the post that I WAS addressing you, I wouldn't have said that I wasn't talking to you. The post of mine that you quoted was to GIVER, not you.  I did not lie.  I am now going to completely ignore you, since you seem to be so bitter and angry and like to throw around insults and call names.

Bitter Sweet

Quote from: MeMyself on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 11:48:36I was speaking TO him, so next time I will do my best to address him alone, since I was not talking to you.

I'm so disappointed, you didn't even try. There's a bunch on discipline in the bible, it's a good place to start.

::workingout::

Sinead

My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

As christians we shouldn't be living lifestyles of sin but God says here that if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father.
So yes chrisitans do fall into sin occasionally. Something as small as thinking hateful thoughts to a brother or sister in Christ is sin.
If one says he is without sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him according to Jesus.

When we sin, and we do at times, we must confess it and repent. With that said, we shouldn't be sinning on regular basis or living in blatant sin.

Sin is something that still happens as christians and until we are with Jesus we will never be able to remain totally sinless, its part of our nature.


MeMyself

Quote from: Sinead on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 19:39:27
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

As christians we shouldn't be living lifestyles of sin but God says here that if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father.
So yes chrisitans do fall into sin occasionally. Something as small as thinking hateful thoughts to a brother or sister in Christ is sin.
If one says he is without sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him according to Jesus.

When we sin, and we do at times, we must confess it and repent. With that said, we shouldn't be sinning on regular basis or living in blatant sin.

Sin is something that still happens as christians and until we are with Jesus we will never be able to remain totally sinless, its part of our nature.

::amen!::

Thanks for sharing!  It is SO nice to see God's word used in proper context!   ::smile::

Giver

Quote from: Sinead on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 19:39:27
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

As christians we shouldn't be living lifestyles of sin but God says here that if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father.
So yes chrisitans do fall into sin occasionally. Something as small as thinking hateful thoughts to a brother or sister in Christ is sin.
If one says he is without sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him according to Jesus.

When we sin, and we do at times, we must confess it and repent. With that said, we shouldn't be sinning on regular basis or living in blatant sin.

Sin is something that still happens as christians and until we are with Jesus we will never be able to remain totally sinless, its part of our nature.




Yes John was talking to Children in Christ.  Infants in Christ will sin.  Just as Paul pointed out in the following verse.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) "Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ.  What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual.  Isn't that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?

Debrah

bitter sweet, you made your personal life my business and everyone else's who have read here about your lifestyle, so your reprimand of me is inappropriate.

So do you think your saved now that your married and not living in sin?  How will you ever know if you base your salvation on living a sinless life?  Which of course no one can do, if so, then why did we ever need a savior?

anyway, congratulations on your marriage.

Bitter Sweet

#151
Quote from: Debrah on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 21:33:40
bitter sweet, you made your personal life my business and everyone else's who have read here about your lifestyle, so your reprimand of me is inappropriate.

1. When you make a statement about someone that isn't true, it means you don't have your facts straight and makes you look like a liar. Try praying to God for an answer before you say the wrong thing. But you also have to consider, God doesn't listen to sinners.

2. Then you proceeded to pass judgement on anyone that believed what Giver is saying is true as not being of God and going to hell, a curse.

I think the verse I posted was very appropriate considering you cursed and believe you are praising God at the same time. The bible say's you shouldn't do that so if you have a problem with it, you are in essence saying God's word is inappropriate, not mine. Try to pay attention more to what you write and pause before you hit the send button.

QuoteSo do you think your saved now that your married and not living in sin?  How will you ever know if you base your salvation on living a sinless life?  Which of course no one can do, if so, then why did we ever need a savior?

1. My husband and I never left each other.

2. God reassures me constantly.

3. I don't think it's a good idea for you to put doubt in other people's head, it makes you look like you lack faith.

Debrah, sometimes it's better to leave well enough alone.


Bitter Sweet

Quote from: Debrah on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 21:33:40
anyway, congratulations on your marriage.

It's a little late for that, we've been married since 2005 and never left each other. You attempted to asunder what God joined together a long time ago, another thing the bible say's we shouldn't do.

Now I understand why some people are so adamant about being a sinner, they don't even do what the bible say's about how to treat other people and talk to them. I think that's a simple place to start, focus on other people by doing what the bible says, once you have that mastered (basically minding your own business) then you can focus on yourself.

Debrah

bitter sweet, this will be my last reply to you.

I used your life example, so you could see how insane it is to support givers teachings on salvation.

You may have never left your ex-husband, but you told all of us you were not married but still living together in sin.

so in fact you are willfully sinning again against me when you call me a  liar, so again if you believe in givers theology, you are going to hell.

I hope your eyes, heart and mind will be opened to how givers theology is not of the Lord.

::tippinghat::

MeMyself

#154
Quote from: Giver on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 20:20:42
Quote from: Sinead on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 19:39:27
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

As christians we shouldn't be living lifestyles of sin but God says here that if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father.
So yes chrisitans do fall into sin occasionally. Something as small as thinking hateful thoughts to a brother or sister in Christ is sin.
If one says he is without sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him according to Jesus.

When we sin, and we do at times, we must confess it and repent. With that said, we shouldn't be sinning on regular basis or living in blatant sin.

Sin is something that still happens as christians and until we are with Jesus we will never be able to remain totally sinless, its part of our nature.




Yes John was talking to Children in Christ.  Infants in Christ will sin.  Just as Paul pointed out in the following verse.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) "Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ.  What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual.  Isn't that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?

Giver

Quote from: MeMyself on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 10:05:34
Quote from: Giver on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 20:20:42
Quote from: Sinead on Fri Nov 25, 2011 - 19:39:27
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 1 John 2:1

As christians we shouldn't be living lifestyles of sin but God says here that if we do sin, we have an advocate with the Father.
So yes chrisitans do fall into sin occasionally. Something as small as thinking hateful thoughts to a brother or sister in Christ is sin.
If one says he is without sin he is a liar and the truth is not in him according to Jesus.

When we sin, and we do at times, we must confess it and repent. With that said, we shouldn't be sinning on regular basis or living in blatant sin.

Sin is something that still happens as christians and until we are with Jesus we will never be able to remain totally sinless, its part of our nature.




Yes John was talking to Children in Christ.  Infants in Christ will sin.  Just as Paul pointed out in the following verse.

(1 Corinthians 3:1-3) "Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ.  What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual.  Isn't that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?

MeMyself

Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 10:53:33
Jesus told us that those who do not do the will of the Father would never enter the kingdom of God.  Jesus told us that God would make his home in those who live the Word of God.  It sure seems to me that God sees all what one does, and does not do.  Sin is not doing God's will. 

You can con yourself into believing that your sins will not keep you out of the kingdom of God, but scripture says you are wrong.

(1 Corinthians 6:9-19) "You know perfectly well that people who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God: people of immoral lives, idolaters, adulterers, catamites, sodomites, thieves, usurers, drunkards, slanders and swindlers will never inherit the kingdom of God.

Bitter Sweet

Quote from: Debrah on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 09:11:28
bitter sweet, this will be my last reply to you.

so in fact you are willfully sinning again against me when you call me a  liar, so again if you believe in givers theology, you are going to hell.

I hope your eyes, heart and mind will be opened to how givers theology is not of the Lord.

::tippinghat::

I appreciate your effort in attempting to take the speck out of my eye. 

But, since you say my eyes are not open then I am not guilty of any sin, Jesus say's so. FYI I can't be both blind and a sinner.

John 9:41 Jesus said, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains.

Only your guilt is left remaining. Please try to stay true to the word of God instead of perverting it into your own.


cs80918

GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?

Giver

Quote from: cs80918 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:58:33
GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?


I hope you can understand my answer.  Many years ago Jesus personally started teaching me about him.  Jesus in fact sat next to me and had me open the bible to where it tells us that Christians are dead to sin.  Over the years he has let me understand just how important a teaching that is.

My point of the thread is to have people read what I post.  Jesus told me to give a word and leave.  My job is just to give a word to as many people as is possisible.   
I am not a teacher or preacher.  My only job is to obey Jesus.  He tells me to post, and what to post.  Lately Jesus has had me stress the teaching of Christians living with out sinning.  He seems to be stressing that there is a great need for all Christians to become spiritual.

Jesus has told me a time is coming soon when man will suffer more then he has ever suffered.  I am to give a word, and leave.  Out of that word a community will grow.  He wants a place of safety for his people.

This word was given to me over thirty years ago.  Lately there seems to be a much more urgency to my giving the word.

I truly have no personal agenda.  In fact Jesus has to keep telling me not try to make people understand.  Trying to get people to understand is just too much of a burden on me, and Jesus is telling me not to carry that burden that it is his burden.

I would stop sharing right now if Jesus would let me.  What I do is not anything anyone would want to do.     

 


Thankfulldad

Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:21:12
Quote from: cs80918 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:58:33
GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?


I hope you can understand my answer.  Many years ago Jesus personally started teaching me about him.  Jesus in fact sat next to me and had me open the bible to where it tells us that Christians are dead to sin.  Over the years he has let me understand just how important a teaching that is.

My point of the thread is to have people read what I post.  Jesus told me to give a word and leave.  My job is just to give a word to as many people as is possisible.   
I am not a teacher or preacher.  My only job is to obey Jesus.  He tells me to post, and what to post.  Lately Jesus has had me stress the teaching of Christians living with out sinning.  He seems to be stressing that there is a great need for all Christians to become spiritual.

Jesus has told me a time is coming soon when man will suffer more then he has ever suffered.  I am to give a word, and leave.  Out of that word a community will grow.  He wants a place of safety for his people.

This word was given to me over thirty years ago.  Lately there seems to be a much more urgency to my giving the word.

I truly have no personal agenda.  In fact Jesus has to keep telling me not try to make people understand.  Trying to get people to understand is just too much of a burden on me, and Jesus is telling me not to carry that burden that it is his burden.

I would stop sharing right now if Jesus would let me.  What I do is not anything anyone would want to do.


Again...what you share is from satan, or a demon.  We are not saved by not sinning; we are saved by the blood of Christ shed for us on Calvary.  There is NO other way...you have been greatly deceived; and are living and spreading a lie.  The lake of fire awaits those that spread such blasphemy.

That was not Jesus instructing you...but a power of darkness! 

Giver

Quote from: Thankfulldad on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:30:09
Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:21:12
Quote from: cs80918 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:58:33
GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?


I hope you can understand my answer.  Many years ago Jesus personally started teaching me about him.  Jesus in fact sat next to me and had me open the bible to where it tells us that Christians are dead to sin.  Over the years he has let me understand just how important a teaching that is.

My point of the thread is to have people read what I post.  Jesus told me to give a word and leave.  My job is just to give a word to as many people as is possisible.   
I am not a teacher or preacher.  My only job is to obey Jesus.  He tells me to post, and what to post.  Lately Jesus has had me stress the teaching of Christians living with out sinning.  He seems to be stressing that there is a great need for all Christians to become spiritual.

Jesus has told me a time is coming soon when man will suffer more then he has ever suffered.  I am to give a word, and leave.  Out of that word a community will grow.  He wants a place of safety for his people.

This word was given to me over thirty years ago.  Lately there seems to be a much more urgency to my giving the word.

I truly have no personal agenda.  In fact Jesus has to keep telling me not try to make people understand.  Trying to get people to understand is just too much of a burden on me, and Jesus is telling me not to carry that burden that it is his burden.

I would stop sharing right now if Jesus would let me.  What I do is not anything anyone would want to do.


Again...what you share is from satan, or a demon.  We are not saved by not sinning; we are saved by the blood of Christ shed for us on Calvary.  There is NO other way...you have been greatly deceived; and are living and spreading a lie.  The lake of fire awaits those that spread such blasphemy.

That was not Jesus instructing you...but a power of darkness! 

Jesus our Lord and God needs to talk to you. 



Thankfulldad

Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:53:47
Quote from: Thankfulldad on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:30:09
Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:21:12
Quote from: cs80918 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:58:33
GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?


I hope you can understand my answer.  Many years ago Jesus personally started teaching me about him.  Jesus in fact sat next to me and had me open the bible to where it tells us that Christians are dead to sin.  Over the years he has let me understand just how important a teaching that is.

My point of the thread is to have people read what I post.  Jesus told me to give a word and leave.  My job is just to give a word to as many people as is possisible.   
I am not a teacher or preacher.  My only job is to obey Jesus.  He tells me to post, and what to post.  Lately Jesus has had me stress the teaching of Christians living with out sinning.  He seems to be stressing that there is a great need for all Christians to become spiritual.

Jesus has told me a time is coming soon when man will suffer more then he has ever suffered.  I am to give a word, and leave.  Out of that word a community will grow.  He wants a place of safety for his people.

This word was given to me over thirty years ago.  Lately there seems to be a much more urgency to my giving the word.

I truly have no personal agenda.  In fact Jesus has to keep telling me not try to make people understand.  Trying to get people to understand is just too much of a burden on me, and Jesus is telling me not to carry that burden that it is his burden.

I would stop sharing right now if Jesus would let me.  What I do is not anything anyone would want to do.


Again...what you share is from satan, or a demon.  We are not saved by not sinning; we are saved by the blood of Christ shed for us on Calvary.  There is NO other way...you have been greatly deceived; and are living and spreading a lie.  The lake of fire awaits those that spread such blasphemy.

That was not Jesus instructing you...but a power of darkness! 

Jesus our Lord and God needs to talk to you. 

He has...and has given me insight into your deceit.  You are believing a lie from the pit of Hell.

Sinead

Giver, surely you know Jesus is in heaven? He doesn't make special trips back to earth. That is why He told us "I will not leave you alone, I will send you the Holy Spirit."
Jesus went up to heaven, and the Holy Spirit came down to be with us.

Giver

Quote from: Sinead on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:57:33
Giver, surely you know Jesus is in heaven? He doesn't make special trips back to earth. That is why He told us "I will not leave you alone, I will send you the Holy Spirit."
Jesus went up to heaven, and the Holy Spirit came down to be with us.

Do you ever wonder who it was that Paul saw when he was knocked off his horse?

If Jesus does not come here then how does he talk to his people?

(John 10:1-5)"I tell you the truth, the man who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber. The man who enters by the gate is the shepherd of his sheep. The watchman opens the gate for him, and the sheep listen to his voice. He calls his own sheep by name and leads them out. When he has brought out all his own, he goes on ahead of them, and his sheep follow him because they know his voice. But they will never follow a stranger; in fact, they will run away from him because they do not recognize a stranger's voice."

Sinead

Jesus talks to us through the Holy Spirit. I hear Him through preaching usually, like if I've spoken to God about something I often hear the answer through a sermon. Sometimes through other people or through a verse in the Bible.
He speaks in a lot of different ways.

Right now He is in heaven eagerly awaiting the go-ahead from the Father to return for us.


MeMyself

#166
Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:21:12
Quote from: cs80918 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:58:33
GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?


I hope you can understand my answer.  Many years ago Jesus personally started teaching me about him.  Jesus in fact sat next to me and had me open the bible to where it tells us that Christians are dead to sin.  Over the years he has let me understand just how important a teaching that is.

My point of the thread is to have people read what I post.  Jesus told me to give a word and leave.  My job is just to give a word to as many people as is possisible.  
I am not a teacher or preacher.  My only job is to obey Jesus.  He tells me to post, and what to post.  Lately Jesus has had me stress the teaching of Christians living with out sinning.  He seems to be stressing that there is a great need for all Christians to become spiritual.

Jesus has told me a time is coming soon when man will suffer more then he has ever suffered.  I am to give a word, and leave.  Out of that word a community will grow.  He wants a place of safety for his people.

This word was given to me over thirty years ago.  Lately there seems to be a much more urgency to my giving the word.

I truly have no personal agenda.  In fact Jesus has to keep telling me not try to make people understand.  Trying to get people to understand is just too much of a burden on me, and Jesus is telling me not to carry that burden that it is his burden.

I would stop sharing right now if Jesus would let me.  What I do is not anything anyone would want to do.      

What do you make of the fact that what your "Jesus" told you contradicting what the Jesus of the bible says?  He says HE is the way to the Father and that no one comes to Him but through Himself.  We are also told in the scripture salvation is a gift from God and not of works so that no man can boast...that contradicts what you are saying "Jesus" told you as well, because you say you will tell Him He should let you in based on your obedience. 

MeMyself

Quote from: Sinead on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 19:36:15
Jesus talks to us through the Holy Spirit. I hear Him through preaching usually, like if I've spoken to God about something I often hear the answer through a sermon. Sometimes through other people or through a verse in the Bible.
He speaks in a lot of different ways.

Right now He is in heaven eagerly awaiting the go-ahead from the Father to return for us.

::amen!::

I love it when I sense God speaking to my spirit through His, and it is confirmed by a sermon or His word!  It also works with conviction....He will put a check in my spirit about something and it will be confirmed through His word or the sermon at church.  God is sooo good to keep His promise to never leave or forsake us! ::clappingoverhead::

Giver

Quote from: MeMyself on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 19:49:44
Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:21:12
Quote from: cs80918 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:58:33
GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?


I hope you can understand my answer.  Many years ago Jesus personally started teaching me about him.  Jesus in fact sat next to me and had me open the bible to where it tells us that Christians are dead to sin.  Over the years he has let me understand just how important a teaching that is.

My point of the thread is to have people read what I post.  Jesus told me to give a word and leave.  My job is just to give a word to as many people as is possisible.   
I am not a teacher or preacher.  My only job is to obey Jesus.  He tells me to post, and what to post.  Lately Jesus has had me stress the teaching of Christians living with out sinning.  He seems to be stressing that there is a great need for all Christians to become spiritual.

Jesus has told me a time is coming soon when man will suffer more then he has ever suffered.  I am to give a word, and leave.  Out of that word a community will grow.  He wants a place of safety for his people.

This word was given to me over thirty years ago.  Lately there seems to be a much more urgency to my giving the word.

I truly have no personal agenda.  In fact Jesus has to keep telling me not try to make people understand.  Trying to get people to understand is just too much of a burden on me, and Jesus is telling me not to carry that burden that it is his burden.

I would stop sharing right now if Jesus would let me.  What I do is not anything anyone would want to do.     

What do you make of the fact that what your "Jesus" told you contradicting what the Jesus of the bible says?  He says HE is the way to the Father and that no one comes to Him but through Himself.  We are also told in the scripture salvation is a gift from God and not of works so that no man can boast...that contradicts what you are saying "Jesus" told you as well.

This thread is about Christians sinning.  It is not about a teaching that you believe to be true, that was never part of the Christian belief until Martin Luther, Calvin, and the likes.

You don't see it strange that it took Christian hundreds of years after Jesus died for Christians to come to the truth?

Wake up!  Your understanding of the truth is hearsay. 


MeMyself

Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 20:01:11
Quote from: MeMyself on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 19:49:44
Quote from: Giver on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:21:12
Quote from: cs80918 on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 16:58:33
GIVER-what is the point of your thread?  Are you trying to save people from hell?


I hope you can understand my answer.  Many years ago Jesus personally started teaching me about him.  Jesus in fact sat next to me and had me open the bible to where it tells us that Christians are dead to sin.  Over the years he has let me understand just how important a teaching that is.

My point of the thread is to have people read what I post.  Jesus told me to give a word and leave.  My job is just to give a word to as many people as is possisible.  
I am not a teacher or preacher.  My only job is to obey Jesus.  He tells me to post, and what to post.  Lately Jesus has had me stress the teaching of Christians living with out sinning.  He seems to be stressing that there is a great need for all Christians to become spiritual.

Jesus has told me a time is coming soon when man will suffer more then he has ever suffered.  I am to give a word, and leave.  Out of that word a community will grow.  He wants a place of safety for his people.

This word was given to me over thirty years ago.  Lately there seems to be a much more urgency to my giving the word.

I truly have no personal agenda.  In fact Jesus has to keep telling me not try to make people understand.  Trying to get people to understand is just too much of a burden on me, and Jesus is telling me not to carry that burden that it is his burden.

I would stop sharing right now if Jesus would let me.  What I do is not anything anyone would want to do.      

What do you make of the fact that what your "Jesus" told you contradicting what the Jesus of the bible says?  He says HE is the way to the Father and that no one comes to Him but through Himself.  We are also told in the scripture salvation is a gift from God and not of works so that no man can boast...that contradicts what you are saying "Jesus" told you as well.

This thread is about Christians sinning.  It is not about a teaching that you believe to be true, that was never part of the Christian belief until Martin Luther, Calvin, and the likes.

You don't see it strange that it took Christian hundreds of years after Jesus died for Christians to come to the truth?

Wake up!  Your understanding of the truth is hearsay.  

No..it is not.  You make false claims of how long it took people to "come to truth".  The disciples TOLD the way was Jesus!  Paul after conversion did the same. It is the same message the Church (of true believers) tell to this day!  
YOU are not understanding what Christ said and the claims He makes!  You refuse to even acknowledge that Jesus said HE was THE way, THE TRUTH and THE life..He said NO ONE comes to the Father EXCEPT through HIM!  We are told in Ephesians that salvation is a gift of God, not one of works so that NO MAN can boast!

Your understanding is what is hearsay!  You preach a "Jesus" that contradicts scripture, Himself and what God told Paul to tell us about salvation! You preach a "Jesus" that says works are good enough...they are NOT!  If they were, WHY did the Christ have to come at all?  Why did He have to be humiliated and take on human form?  Why did He have to walk the road of calvary, be beaten, spit on and mocked?  Why did He have to die and be resurrected?  If works are enough...that just seems so cruel of God and foolish of Jesus!  God is not cruel and Jesus is no fool...

You preach a "Jesus" that says there is no forgiveness for sin.  That is just false!  There is nothing that supports your claim when you read the WHOLE Bible and understand its FULL message!


Bitter Sweet

Quote from: Sinead on Sat Nov 26, 2011 - 18:57:33
Giver, surely you know Jesus is in heaven? He doesn't make special trips back to earth.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

Sinead

Are you saying you believe He comes back every now and then?


Sinead


Bitter Sweet

Well, I certainly don't consider him dead.

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