What did Jesus offer?

[segell]

I'm not thinking Insight has much insight.  He surely hasn't shared anything to this point other than declaring himself the one who knows the gospel and yet he hasn't shared anything.  Not a thing.  And he evades direct questions.  I have to wonder if he is on the up and up, frankly.  What started out as a promising question for a thread turns out to be only a comeon for his own off the mark understanding.  Oh well.....

[Insight]

I'm not thinking Insight has much insight.  He surely hasn't shared anything to this point other than declaring himself the one who knows the gospel and yet he hasn't shared anything.  Not a thing.  And he evades direct questions.  I have to wonder if he is on the up and up, frankly.  What started out as a promising question for a thread turns out to be only a comeon for his own off the mark understanding.  Oh well.....

Hi Segell,

Coming to the discussion late one can omit to go back and look at all the unanswered questions.

If you wish me to repost them I am more than able.

Insight

[cs80918]

INSIGHT-
This is the 3rd time I have posted this and you have not responded to each and every verse.





Aramaic Bible in Plain English Luke 2:11
"For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.

[Insight]

INSIGHT-
This is the 3rd time I have posted this and you have not responded to each and every verse.





Aramaic Bible in Plain English Luke 2:11
"For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.

[cs80918]

INSIGHT-
This is the 3rd time I have posted this and you have not responded to each and every verse.





Aramaic Bible in Plain English Luke 2:11
"For today, The Savior has been born to you, who is THE LORD JEHOVAH The Messiah, in the city of David.

[Thankfulldad]

I'm not thinking Insight has much insight.  He surely hasn't shared anything to this point other than declaring himself the one who knows the gospel and yet he hasn't shared anything.  Not a thing.  And he evades direct questions.  I have to wonder if he is on the up and up, frankly.  What started out as a promising question for a thread turns out to be only a comeon for his own off the mark understanding.  Oh well.....

Now...here is a man with insight ...God Bless brother...

[Insight]

Gospel

Thus far you are the only one to enter the Word  and provide an answer consistant with Scripture.

Lets see if you can continue in those Scriptures...

3 Because of this Jesus is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was...

The regular high priest, having committed his own sins, would need to offer sacrifice for those sins, as well as those of others (See Heb 9:7; Lev 16:6).

It is true that Jesus was "without sin"  in the personal sense (Heb 4:15).

Yet nevertheless, he possessed a mortal, sin-prone, or sinful nature (See Heb 2:14,15) -- and the removal of this nature required his perfect and obedient life and sacrifice.

In this sense, Jesus also had his own "sin" for which to offer.

[Sinead]

Gospel

Thus far you are the only one to enter the Word  and provide an answer consistant with Scripture.

Lets see if you can continue in those Scriptures...

3 Because of this Jesus is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was...

The regular high priest, having committed his own sins, would need to offer sacrifice for those sins, as well as those of others (See Heb 9:7; Lev 16:6).

It is true that Jesus was "without sin"  in the personal sense (Heb 4:15).

Yet nevertheless, he possessed a mortal, sin-prone, or sinful nature (See Heb 2:14,15) -- and the removal of this nature required his perfect and obedient life and sacrifice.

In this sense, Jesus also had his own "sin" for which to offer.

I'm confused by what you mean. You said that Jesus was without personal sin and then you said he had his own sin to offer - which is it?

[Insight]

Gospel

Thus far you are the only one to enter the Word  and provide an answer consistant with Scripture.

Lets see if you can continue in those Scriptures...

3 Because of this Jesus is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was...

The regular high priest, having committed his own sins, would need to offer sacrifice for those sins, as well as those of others (See Heb 9:7; Lev 16:6).

It is true that Jesus was "without sin"  in the personal sense (Heb 4:15).

Yet nevertheless, he possessed a mortal, sin-prone, or sinful nature (See Heb 2:14,15) -- and the removal of this nature required his perfect and obedient life and sacrifice.

In this sense, Jesus also had his own "sin" for which to offer.

I'm confused by what you mean. You said that Jesus was without personal sin and then you said he had his own sin to offer - which is it?

For though Jesus was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you 2 Cor 13:4

What weakness do you and Jesus share?

[Sinead]

Gospel

Thus far you are the only one to enter the Word   and provide an answer consistant with Scripture.

Lets see if you can continue in those Scriptures...

3 Because of this Jesus is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was...

The regular high priest, having committed his own sins, would need to offer sacrifice for those sins, as well as those of others (See Heb 9:7; Lev 16:6).

It is true that Jesus was "without sin"  in the personal sense (Heb 4:15).

Yet nevertheless, he possessed a mortal, sin-prone, or sinful nature (See Heb 2:14,15) -- and the removal of this nature required his perfect and obedient life and sacrifice.

In this sense, Jesus also had his own "sin" for which to offer.

I'm confused by what you mean. You said that Jesus was without personal sin and then you said he had his own sin to offer - which is it?

For though Jesus was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you 2 Cor 13:4

What weakness do you and Jesus share?

The weakness He felt was because He was marked more than any other man. Beaten to an absolute pulp, He was totally unrecognizable. He was so weak He couldn't carry His own cross.
The Bible says that all He had to do was call on ten thousand angels and they would have rescued Him but He chose not to for our sakes.
Not only was the toll physical but mental and emotional as well.

[Insight]

Gospel

Thus far you are the only one to enter the Word  and provide an answer consistant with Scripture.

Lets see if you can continue in those Scriptures...

3 Because of this Jesus is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was...

The regular high priest, having committed his own sins, would need to offer sacrifice for those sins, as well as those of others (See Heb 9:7; Lev 16:6).

It is true that Jesus was "without sin"  in the personal sense (Heb 4:15).

Yet nevertheless, he possessed a mortal, sin-prone, or sinful nature (See Heb 2:14,15) -- and the removal of this nature required his perfect and obedient life and sacrifice.

In this sense, Jesus also had his own "sin" for which to offer.

I'm confused by what you mean. You said that Jesus was without personal sin and then you said he had his own sin to offer - which is it?

For though Jesus was crucified through weakness, yet he liveth by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but we shall live with him by the power of God toward you 2 Cor 13:4

What weakness do you and Jesus share?

The weakness He felt was because He was marked more than any other man. Beaten to an absolute pulp, He was totally unrecognizable. He was so weak He couldn't carry His own cross.
The Bible says that all He had to do was call on ten thousand angels and they would have rescued Him but He chose not to for our sakes.

You are moving in the right direction.

"And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

[Insight]

Cmp Jesus was crucified through weakness

[Sinead]

Cmp Jesus was crucified through weakness

I've heard this belief before and it is New Age - did you know that?

New Agers believe that Jesus was crucified because he was weak and lacking something from the universe - or some mumbo jumbo to that effect.

It doesn't say Jesus was crucified because He sinned or had sin somehow and my answer to the question makes sense. He was physically weak, beaten before He was crucified - of course He was weak.

[Insight]

Cmp Jesus was crucified through weakness

I've heard this belief before and it is New Age - did you know that?

New Agers believe that Jesus was crucified because he was weak and lacking something from the universe - or some mumbo jumbo to that effect.

It doesn't say Jesus was crucified because He sinned or had sin somehow and my answer to the question makes sense. He was physically weak, beaten before He was crucified - of course He was weak.

Not new age.

The original, as taught by Jesus and the Apostles.

Jesus cannot be God, for God cannot dwell in unclean flesh, nor can God be tainted with the uncleaness of death.

Jesus is the one who died for us and has been raised from the dead for our justification (Rom 4:25). As a high priest at the right hand of God in heaven, he intercedes for us. The one who, while in the flesh, experienced every weakness and sorrow, yet without sinning (Heb 4:15,16), is able now to save "to the uttermost" those who come to God through him, since he lives always (Heb 7:25,26). All his life fitted him expressly for this task, to be merciful and sympathetic of us his brethren.

Therefore, not breaking the type of Aaron..he fufilled it in every way.

3 Because of this Jesus is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he (Jesus) who is called by God, just as Aaron was..

Jesus shared your nature and you may not even know why?

We shall see.

[Sinead]

Cmp Jesus was crucified through weakness

I've heard this belief before and it is New Age - did you know that?

New Agers believe that Jesus was crucified because he was weak and lacking something from the universe - or some mumbo jumbo to that effect.

It doesn't say Jesus was crucified because He sinned or had sin somehow and my answer to the question makes sense. He was physically weak, beaten before He was crucified - of course He was weak.

Not new age.

The original, as taught by Jesus and the Apostles.

Jesus cannot be God, for God cannot dwell in unclean flesh, nor can God be tainted with the uncleaness of death.

Jesus is the one who died for us and has been raised from the dead for our justification (Rom 4:25). As a high priest at the right hand of God in heaven, he intercedes for us. The one who, while in the flesh, experienced every weakness and sorrow, yet without sinning (Heb 4:15,16), is able now to save "to the uttermost" those who come to God through him, since he lives always (Heb 7:25,26). All his life fitted him expressly for this task, to be merciful and sympathetic of us his brethren.

Therefore, not breaking the type of Aaron..he fufilled it in every way.

3 Because of this Jesus is required as for the people, so also for himself, to offer sacrifices for sins. 4 And no man takes this honor to himself, but he who is called by God, just as Aaron was..

Jesus shared your nature and you may not even know why?

We shall see.

:::Newsflash::: Christ never at any time had a sin nature. He was immaculately concieved.

[Insight]

And that is why you do not know Jesus Christ...you are not alone.

Paul knew:

17Therefore Jesus had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Would you like to qualify the blue text?

[Insight]

Since Sinead has flesh and blood, Jesus too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.  Heb 2:14,15

Would you like to qualify the blue text once more?

[Sinead]

And that is why you do not know Jesus Christ...you are not alone.

Paul knew:

17Therefore Jesus had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Would you like to qualify the blue text?

First of all I know Jesus. I talk with Him every day and hear Him talk to me.

If Jesus was like us in every respect He would be a sinner like us. He would not have qualified to die for us if He had sinned Himself. The sacrifice had to be spotless. He was the spotless lamb

He was in human form - He suffered temptation - just as we and His brothers did.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin. Hebrews 4:1

[Insight]

And that is why you do not know Jesus Christ...you are not alone.

Paul knew:

17Therefore Jesus had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Would you like to qualify the blue text?

First of all I know Jesus. I talk with Him every day and hear Him talk to me.

If Jesus was like us in every respect He would be a sinner like us. He would not have qualified to die for us if He had sinned Himself. The sacrifice had to be spotless. He was the spotless lamb

He was in human form - He suffered temptation - just as we and His brothers did.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin. Hebrews 4:1

You are close to understanding your Lord.

(Jesus) who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this Jesus did once for all when He offered up Himself. Heb 7:27

What did Jesus offer for himself?

[Sinead]

And that is why you do not know Jesus Christ...you are not alone.

Paul knew:

17Therefore Jesus had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Would you like to qualify the blue text?

First of all I know Jesus. I talk with Him every day and hear Him talk to me.

If Jesus was like us in every respect He would be a sinner like us. He would not have qualified to die for us if He had sinned Himself. The sacrifice had to be spotless. He was the spotless lamb

He was in human form - He suffered temptation - just as we and His brothers did.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin. Hebrews 4:1

You are close to understanding your Lord.

(Jesus) who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this Jesus did once for all when He offered up Himself. Heb 7:27

What did Jesus offer for himself?

Jesus offered up Himself for the sins of the world. Not for His own.
The high priests before Him offered up sacrifice for their sins and well as the people's sins because they were human beings with a sin nature.


During the days of Jesus' life on earth, He offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save Him from death, and He was heard because of His reverent submission. Son though He was, He learned obedience from what He suffered  and, once made perfect, He became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey Him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 5:1-10

[Insight]

And that is why you do not know Jesus Christ...you are not alone.

Paul knew:

17Therefore Jesus had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people.

Would you like to qualify the blue text?

First of all I know Jesus. I talk with Him every day and hear Him talk to me.

If Jesus was like us in every respect He would be a sinner like us. He would not have qualified to die for us if He had sinned Himself. The sacrifice had to be spotless. He was the spotless lamb

He was in human form - He suffered temptation - just as we and His brothers did.

For we do not have a high priest who is unable to sympathize with our weaknesses, but we have one who has been tempted in every way, just as we are--yet was without sin. Hebrews 4:1

You are close to understanding your Lord.

(Jesus) who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this Jesus did once for all when He offered up Himself. Heb 7:27

What did Jesus offer for himself?

Jesus offered up Himself for the sins of the world. Not for His own.
The high priests before Him offered up sacrifice for their sins and well as the people's sins because they were human beings with a sin nature.

Why do you think Jesus must need have that same nature?

During the days of Jesus' life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission. Son though he was, he learned obedience from what he suffered  and, once made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation for all who obey him and was designated by God to be high priest in the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 5:1-10

So you have quoted the very verse that show Jesus was held under the sentence of death.

If Jesus was under deaths power then he must have nature like yours!

You cannot get-around this truth.

Its your quote...not mine.

[Insight]

Sinead.

I will be offline for a while.

ta

Insight

[Sinead]

Sinead.

I will be offline for a while.

ta

Insight

We can pick up later :)

[bemark]

Jesus offered a Door (himself) into the kingdom of heaven,  where we could step though him,  and leave our life behind  to encounter his life and thus to truly live for the very first time.The life he lived with the father was now available to those who believed.Dead but alive and not alive and dead.

[bemark]

The love of our Father.The amazing acceptance of his presence.Our amazing God who is just overwhelming.Dont you just Love Him and what Jesus Christ did for Us.LOVE YOU HOLY GHOST

[bemark]

A chance to be free

[Bitter Sweet]

Jesus offered a Door (himself) into the kingdom of heaven,  where we could step though him,  and leave our life behind  to encounter his life and thus to truly live for the very first time.The life he lived with the father was now available to those who believed.Dead but alive and not alive and dead.

It's hard for some people to wrap their minds around this in the physical sense.

Freedom, sure is nice isn't it!

[bemark]

Yeah a spiritual experience to change the natural,  so one starts to live in it so it starts to change the natural.

but not being weird at the same time.........getting the wisdom and understanding of it,  so the true revelation of him,  can come to earth as it is in heaven,

[bemark]

bitter sweet it is so good to b free         what else is there   where would we go

[Bitter Sweet]

bitter sweet it is so good to b free         what else is there   where would we go

Well, I suppose there's another place for people, outer darkness. Jesus is a blinding light too. I just don't understand how he can do both, but he knows their hearts and perhaps knows they won't change???

What do you think, how does he just leave them in the dust like that?

[bemark]

Yeah just must make him crazy knowing just a yes can make it right......



I havent got the answers to why this and that  and why one day i was so anti and then the next day i could see.Except by the Spirit of God.... but i do know there where days that I did reject him, also so may b that he reaches out to all more often than we like to believe or receive

But he did suffer 4 all

[Bitter Sweet]

Yeah just must make him crazy knowing just a yes can make it right......

There is definitely no peace there, it's obvious. I suppose we won't ever know what's going on in their minds since we don't think the same as them.

I found it, this is how and why;

John 3:19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

He gives us night vision, we can see in the dark too.  

I havent got the answers to why this and that  and why one day i was so anti and then the next day i could see.Except by the Spirit of God.... but i do know there where days that I did reject him, also so may b that he reaches out to all more often than we like to believe or receive

But he did suffer 4 all

It's amazing how fast something can change.

John 3:8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.

[bemark]

I do understand what it is to have a mind so calm and peaceful and that was on the day that i received Jesus Christ and felt the waves of the Holy Ghost flow down from above through my flesh as I wept  for the first time in years.Before then I thought i was alright


I understood then what peace was and I understood 4 the first time what it was like to be clean.


You know.... the more I know him.... its got nothing to do with my holiness but his love towards me ......and that is what breaks me again and again

[Bitter Sweet]

You know.... the more I know him.... its got nothing to do with my holiness but his love towards me ......and that is what breaks me again and again

Because you are perfect in his love and holiness doesn't matter to us, our desires to be holy or whatever is washed from us too. Putting us all on equal playing ground.

[bemark]

U know the God of our universe wants 2 know the secrets of our soul .the Hidden things we don't even want to confess ourselves


Its really crazy because he already knows it.But still we hide like Adam because it gets tougher deeper


But in the spirit u can just let him enter remove and restore what was lost over many years.

That's the laying down of your life  so you can take on his.

Pure Light moving into a Body of light , removing what is darkness so what remains may shine