The Thing I Greatly Feared

[Insight]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

My experience is that Insight will not answer directly. 

Yes you are right Steve...I encourage Christains to actually think about the Word and not take the easy out as many often do.

At least Bemark is able to hold a conversation and contribute..maybe you should follow the example?

Or not!

Insight

[bemark]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

Bemark

I am impressed with your research and question.

Before I explain can I ask you to consider what you think it means - many in this forum believe I ask these questions to bait and this is not so.  We find great benefit in exercising our minds in the Word and not taking the easy options.

33 x 2 = 66 (Twice as long)

Insight

yeah I saw it was twice as long,  but am still puzzled by it.Jesus died at 33 years but fail to relate anything to it at all.And the answer for the Child Jesus as the offering was clever.

[bemark]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

My experience is that Insight will not answer directly. 

Yes you are right and insight you know it.Stretching someones mind is ok but as for my self I struggle with too many questions thrown at me all at once.
Sometimes its good to research and other times its good just to be told how you see it.Anyway all good if it gets you into the word.

[bemark]

And Insight you do bait people with those remarks that you leave.

[Insight]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

Bemark

I am impressed with your research and question.

Before I explain can I ask you to consider what you think it means - many in this forum believe I ask these questions to bait and this is not so.  We find great benefit in exercising our minds in the Word and not taking the easy options.

33 x 2 = 66 (Twice as long)

Insight

yeah I saw it was twice as long,  but am still puzzled by it.Jesus died at 33 years but fail to relate anything to it at all.And the answer for the Child Jesus as the offering was clever.

I like how you are thinking.

How about considering the difference's (Spiritually) between girls (women) and boys (men)

I will follow shortly with some material for you to consider.  I did a study on the law some years back.

Insight

[bemark]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

Bemark

I am impressed with your research and question.

Before I explain can I ask you to consider what you think it means - many in this forum believe I ask these questions to bait and this is not so.  We find great benefit in exercising our minds in the Word and not taking the easy options.

33 x 2 = 66 (Twice as long)

Insight

yeah I saw it was twice as long,  but am still puzzled by it.Jesus died at 33 years but fail to relate anything to it at all.And the answer for the Child Jesus as the offering was clever.

I like how you are thinking.

How about considering the difference's (Spiritually) between girls (women) and boys (men)

I will follow shortly with some material for you to consider.  I did a study on the law some years back.

Insight

Yes I have read its about headship and authority of the role of the male,  but why twice as long?Maybe a Jewish thing that I am not getting and also the importance of circumcision etc etc etc.Just cant really find a answer that really makes total sense to me.

[Insight]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

Bemark

I am impressed with your research and question.

Before I explain can I ask you to consider what you think it means - many in this forum believe I ask these questions to bait and this is not so.  We find great benefit in exercising our minds in the Word and not taking the easy options.

33 x 2 = 66 (Twice as long)

Insight

yeah I saw it was twice as long,  but am still puzzled by it.Jesus died at 33 years but fail to relate anything to it at all.And the answer for the Child Jesus as the offering was clever.

I like how you are thinking.

How about considering the difference's (Spiritually) between girls (women) and boys (men)

I will follow shortly with some material for you to consider.  I did a study on the law some years back.

Insight

Yes I have read its about headship and authority of the role of the male,  but why twice as long?Maybe a Jewish thing that I am not getting and also the importance of circumcision etc etc etc.Just cant really find a answer that really makes total sense to me.

What would you say if I suggest the woman represents the 'bride of Christ"?

How does this relate to the Bride today? 

[Insight]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

Bemark

I am impressed with your research and question.

Before I explain can I ask you to consider what you think it means - many in this forum believe I ask these questions to bait and this is not so.  We find great benefit in exercising our minds in the Word and not taking the easy options.

33 x 2 = 66 (Twice as long)

Insight

yeah I saw it was twice as long,  but am still puzzled by it.Jesus died at 33 years but fail to relate anything to it at all.And the answer for the Child Jesus as the offering was clever.

I like how you are thinking.

How about considering the difference's (Spiritually) between girls (women) and boys (men)

I will follow shortly with some material for you to consider.  I did a study on the law some years back.

Insight

Yes I have read its about headship and authority of the role of the male,  but why twice as long?Maybe a Jewish thing that I am not getting and also the importance of circumcision etc etc etc.Just cant really find a answer that really makes total sense to me.

"But if she bear a man child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying three score and six days"

The difference between the man-child and woman- child is this. I will not be dogmatic but I believe it fits beautifully with the New Testament example.

We know Christ was undefiled in mind, absolutely pure, therefore he required no cleansing as pertaining to the conscience at baptism, for there never was a moment in his life when God was displeased with him; he always did and said what pleased his Father.

He only required cleansing in nature, which was done, as said, after resurrection, but all others have be cleansed both in mind and body before they can live for ever in God's presence.

The mental and moral cleansing takes place at baptism, when we are immersed into the death of Christ, which took place after the thirty-third year of his life. The double number of days in the cleansing for the woman-child represents. I take it, the double cleansing process all believers must be the subjects of before they can attain to eternal life, but both the moral and physical purification is in virtue of the one sacrifice.

I hope this helps.

If this is believed upon and it makes sense then you will find it impossible to believe that Jesus is Very God – as how can God be an unclean man-child?

Indeed impossible.

Insight

p.s There further insight to the lenght of her purification also...

[bemark]

Also if you know why the difference between male and female?

Male  8days + 33 = 41days

Female 14 + 66 = 80 days

I don't know,  but you may be able to give me some insight.Please just answer it without all the Questions please.

Bemark

I am impressed with your research and question.

Before I explain can I ask you to consider what you think it means - many in this forum believe I ask these questions to bait and this is not so.  We find great benefit in exercising our minds in the Word and not taking the easy options.

33 x 2 = 66 (Twice as long)

Insight

yeah I saw it was twice as long,  but am still puzzled by it.Jesus died at 33 years but fail to relate anything to it at all.And the answer for the Child Jesus as the offering was clever.

I like how you are thinking.

How about considering the difference's (Spiritually) between girls (women) and boys (men)

I will follow shortly with some material for you to consider.  I did a study on the law some years back.

Insight

Yes I have read its about headship and authority of the role of the male,  but why twice as long?Maybe a Jewish thing that I am not getting and also the importance of circumcision etc etc etc.Just cant really find a answer that really makes total sense to me.

"But if she bear a man child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her separation: and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying three score and six days"

The difference between the man-child and woman- child is this. I will not be dogmatic but I believe it fits beautifully with the New Testament example.

We know Christ was undefiled in mind, absolutely pure, therefore he required no cleansing as pertaining to the conscience at baptism, for there never was a moment in his life when God was displeased with him; he always did and said what pleased his Father.

He only required cleansing in nature, which was done, as said, after resurrection, but all others have be cleansed both in mind and body before they can live for ever in God's presence.

The mental and moral cleansing takes place at baptism, when we are immersed into the death of Christ, which took place after the thirty-third year of his life. The double number of days in the cleansing for the woman-child represents. I take it, the double cleansing process all believers must be the subjects of before they can attain to eternal life, but both the moral and physical purification is in virtue of the one sacrifice.

I hope this helps.

If this is believed upon and it makes sense then you will find it impossible to believe that Jesus is Very God – as how can God be an unclean man-child?

Indeed impossible.

Insight

p.s There further insight to the lenght of her purification also...

Jesus was purified of our sin,our nature,in his flesh not his sin his nature.......  he became our frame and knew us and received the cup and defeated sin for us, where we couldn't and through obedience by going to the cross buried it and removed it from us as far as the east is from the west. The moment you receive Christ you have received eternal life. thief on the cross example.I don't know about the 66 days but interesting as women could mean church,  but still before that was 8days for the male and 14 days for the female.The more you look the more you ask.And it is OK not to know but as kings we look.

And how can the Holy Spirit his presence Jesus the word  , God live in us while we still live in a sinful form.

[Insight]

Jesus was purified of our sin,our nature,in his flesh not his sin his nature.......

I removed the rest of your post as it contradicted the Word.

I am wanting you to explain exactly how Jesus was purified of our sin?

Consider the following:

Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this Jesus did once, when he offered up himself.

So he offered once for what:

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[bemark]

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New International Version (©1984)
Unlike the other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices day after day, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. He sacrificed for their sins once for all when he offered himself.
New Living Translation (©2007)
Unlike those other high priests, he does not need to offer sacrifices every day. They did this for their own sins first and then for the sins of the people. But Jesus did this once for all when he offered himself as the sacrifice for the people's sins.

English Standard Version (©2001)
He has no need, like those high priests, to offer sacrifices daily, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he offered up himself.

New American Standard Bible (©1995)
who does not need daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for His own sins and then for the sins of the people, because this He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

King James Bible (Cambridge Ed.)
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

International Standard Version (©2008)
He has no need to offer sacrifices every day like high priests do, first for his own sins and then for those of the people, since he did this once for all when he sacrificed himself.

Aramaic Bible in Plain English (©2010)
And he has no compulsion every day as The Chief Priests to offer sacrifice, first for his sins and then for the people, for This One did it one time by his Life which he offered.

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
We need a priest who doesn't have to bring daily sacrifices as those chief priests did. First they brought sacrifices for their own sins, and then they brought sacrifices for the sins of the people. Jesus brought the sacrifice for the sins of the people once and for all when he sacrificed himself.

King James 2000 Bible (©2003)
Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

American King James Version
Who needs not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

American Standard Version
who needeth not daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins, and then for the'sins of the people: for this he did once for all, when he offered up himself.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Who needeth not daily (as the other priests) to offer sacrifices first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, in offering himself.

Darby Bible Translation
who has not day by day need, as the high priests, first to offer up sacrifices for his own sins, then for those of the people; for this he did once for all in having offered up himself.

English Revised Version
who needeth not daily, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people: for this he did once for all, when he offered up himself.

Webster's Bible Translation
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this he did once, when he offered up himself.

Weymouth New Testament
who, unlike other High Priests, is not under the necessity of offering up sacrifices day after day, first for His own sins, and afterwards for those of the people; for this latter thing He did once for all when He offered up Himself.

World English Bible
who doesn't need, like those high priests, to offer up sacrifices daily, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people. For he did this once for all, when he offered up himself.

Young's Literal Translation
who hath no necessity daily, as the chief priests, first for his own sins to offer up sacrifice, then for those of the people; for this he did once, having offered up himself;


Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests - As the Jewish priests. This is an additional circumstance introduced to show the superior excellency of the High Priest of the Christian profession, and to show also how he was suited to our wants. The Jewish high priest was a sinful man. He had the same fallen and corrupt nature as others. He needed an expiatory sacrifice for his own sins as really as they did for theirs. When he approached God to offer sacrifice, it was needful to make an atonement for himself, and when all was done it was still a sacrifice offered by a sinful man. But it was not so in the case of Jesus. He was so holy that he needed no sacrifice for himself, and all that he did was in behalf of others. Besides, it was necessary that the sacrifices in the Jewish service should be constantly repeated. They were imperfect. They were mere types and shadows. They who offered them were frail, sinful men. It became necessary, therefore, to repeat them every day to keep up the proper sense of their transgressions, and to furnish a suitable acknowledgment of the tendency to sin alike among the people and the priests. Neither in the nature of the offering, nor in the character of those who made it, was there any sufficient reason why it should cease to be offered, and it was therefore repeated day by day. But it was not so with the Lord Jesus. The offering which he made, though presented but once, was so ample and perfect that it had sufficient merit for all the sins of the world, and needed never to be repeated. It is not probable that the Jewish high priest himself personally officiated at the offering of sacrifice every day; but the meaning here is, that it was done daily, and that there was need of a daily sacrifice in his behalf. As one of the Jewish people, the sacrifice was offered on his account as well as on the account of others - for he partook of the common infirmities and sinfulness of the nation.

For this he did once - That is, once for all - ἐφάπαξ ephapax. He made such an atonement that it was not needful that it should be repeated. Thus, he put an end to sacrifice, for when he made the great atonement it was complete, and there was no need that any more blood should be shed for human guilt.

Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
Who needeth not daily - Though the high priest offered the great atonement only once in the year, yet in the Jewish services there was a daily acknowledgment of sin, and a daily sacrifice offered by the priests, at whose head was the high priest, for their own sins and the sins of the people. The Jews held that a priest who neglected his own expiatory sacrifice would be smitten with death. (Sanhedr., fol. 83.) When they offered this victim, they prayed the following prayer: "O Lord, I have sinned, and done wickedly, and gone astray before thy face, I, and my house, and the sons of Aaron, the, people of thy holiness. I beseech thee, for thy name's sake, blot out the sins, iniquities, and transgressions by which I have sinned, done wickedly, and gone astray before thy face, I, and my house, and the sons of Aaron, the people of thy holiness; as it is written in the law of Moses thy servant, (Leviticus 16:30): On that day shall he make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord!" To which the Levites answered: "Blessed be the name of the glory of thy kingdom, for ever and ever!"

This prayer states that the priest offered a sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the sins of the people, as the apostle asserts.

For this he did once - For himself he offered no sacrifice; and the apostle gives the reason - he needed none, because he was holy, harmless, undefiled, and separate from sinners: and for the people he offered himself once for all, when he expired upon the cross, It has been very properly remarked, that the sacrifice offered by Christ differed in four essential respects from those, offered by the Jewish priests:

1. He offered no sacrifice for himself, but only for the people.

2. He did not offer that sacrifice annually, but once for all.

3. The sacrifice which he offered was not of calves and goats, but of himself.

4. This sacrifice he offered, not for one people, but for the whole human race; for he tasted death for every man.

Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Who needeth not daily, as those high priests,.... They being sinners, and he not:

to offer up sacrifice first for his own sins and then for the people's; as they did on the day of atonement; see Leviticus 16:6 upon which place the Jews (c) make the same remark the apostle does here;

"he (the high priest, they say) offers sacrifices for the sins of the people, for his own "first", "and afterwards for the sins of the people":''

which was one reason of the imperfection and insufficiency of their sacrifices; but Christ needed not to offer for his own, nor could he, for he had none of his own; what he had was by imputation; wherefore he only needed to offer, and he only did offer, for the sins of the people; not of the Jews only, but of the Gentiles also, even of all God's covenant people; nor did he need to do this daily, as they did; they offered sacrifice daily, the common priests every day, morning and evening, and the high priest on a stated day once a year, on the day of atonement:

for this he did once, when he offered up himself; and in this also he differed from them; they offered not themselves, but what was inferior to themselves, and what could not take away sin, and, therefore, was repeated; but Christ offered himself, his whole human nature, soul and body, and both as in union with his divine nature; and this being offered to God freely and voluntarily, in the room and stead of his people, was acceptable to God: hereby justice was satisfied; the law fulfilled; sin taken away, and complete salvation obtained; so that there never was since any need of his offering again, nor never will be; which shows the perfection and fulness of his priesthood, and the preference of it to the Levitical one.

(c) Zohar in Lev. fol. 26. 4.

[Insight]

Do you have a copy and paste faith?



Read the passage for yourself and answer:

Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this Jesus did once, when he offered up himself.

What did he do once?

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He had no sin of his own so what part of him needed redeeming, cleansing and saving? How did his own blood enable him to enter into the Most Holy?

Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption. (Hebrews 9:12)

Insight

[Insight]

After you have answer those two passages for yourself can you explain the weakness of Christ?

Jesus can deal gently with the ignorant and wayward, since he himself is beset with weakness. (Hebrews 5:2)

This may help you in dealing with the other passages?

Insight

p.s Please dont quote Gill and the other experts - - they have it a great deal wrong in their theology...as they are only copying the experts themselves - Plato is their forefather - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plato

[bemark]

Yes the OT priests offered up sacrifice's for there own sins first or they would have been smoke.

Jesus offered up to God our sins not his as you can see,  that was paid in full in the punishment of his flesh,  so we could then go through the perfect sacrifice,  Jesus the open door in Heaven by the spirit.So now the flesh is dead buried in him so we now can enter through him by the spirit and encounter the father by the Holy Spirit.We don't go there alone he is allways with us and he had to go so the holy spirit would come  and when 2 or 3 are gathered in his name he is there.So how can he be here and in heaven at the same time? God is omnipresent.

So do you feel the Holy Spirit Insight or not?Do you know his voice or should I say his presence?

This is a key to knowing you are saved.Just tell me friend...... please.

[Insight]

Who needeth not daily, as those high priests, to offer up sacrifice, first for his own sins, and then for the people's: for this Jesus did once, when he offered up himself.

I am interested in why you choose to believe in the red text but ignor the blue?

What you are saying is he failed the type of the high priest so you must have a valid reason why you ignore a part of scripture when clearly Paul did not?

Insight

[bemark]

He didn't fail.

I don't ignore the blue but associate it with the high priests who where just as guilty as all of Israel.But Jesus was the perfect High priest,  the perfect sacrifice and could go where no man could go before.

[Insight]

He didn't fail.

I don't ignore the blue but associate it with the high priests who where just as guilty as all of Israel.But Jesus was the perfect High priest,  the perfect sacrifice and could go where no man could go before.

So in what way did Jesus both offer for himself and came under the benefit of his own sacrifice?

Take a look at John 3:14-21 and see why Jesus viewed his nature as a serpent being lifted up...

Why a serpent?

Why on a pole?

[bemark]

He didn't fail.

I don't ignore the blue but associate it with the high priests who where just as guilty as all of Israel.But Jesus was the perfect High priest,  the perfect sacrifice and could go where no man could go before.

So in what way did Jesus both offer for himself and came under the benefit of his own sacrifice?

Take a look at John 3:14-21 and see why Jesus viewed his nature as a serpent being lifted up...

Why a serpent?

Why on a pole?

you tell me

[bemark]

Alright so we have the power of sin nailed to the tree.Done away with in Christ Jesus the tree of life.Where we failed now we are victorious as now it becomes buried

1 Now the serpent was more cunning than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said to the woman, "Has God indeed said, 'You shall not eat of every tree of the garden'?"
Gen 3:1 (NKJV)

[bemark]

More to the point insight why did God allow that devil into the realm of the Garden or was he not yet kicked out of heaven?

[gospel]

Insight you have the slightly annoying manner in which you belabor a point instead of simply making it...

Aside from that you often make some very good points, some I agree with some I do not ....

In any case ...it would help us all a great deal if you would just simply make your points as opposed to dangling questions in the manner of a high school teacher, giving the appearance you're the only one in the class that knows the correct answer.... while you're trying to teach the rest of us how to correctly think through a problem  

That said let us continue....

So in what way did Jesus both offer for himself and came under the benefit of his own sacrifice?

You and most of us knows or should know the scriptural basis for everything that follows but here goes

1. Jesus laid down His Life knowing He could pick it up again
2. Jesus knowing no sin was made sin, He didn't do sin, He was made sin, in this manner He laid His life down. This was the decision He made in the Garden...at the appointed time, in the appointed place, like Adam, a Garden, Gethsemane, ( the olive press)
3. Having been made sin, He took sin upon Himself simply to destroy the power of it to bring death and destroy its stronghold over man

Take a look at John 3:14-21 and see why Jesus viewed his nature as a serpent being lifted up...

1. The serpent does not represent Jesus or His Divine Nature, the serpent actually represents sin and the nature of Satan.

In this case, in John 3, Jesus is referring to the sin that was to be laid upon Him.

The serpent and the pole in the wilderness was one of the ways God preached the Gospel of Christ to His people. There are many other ways as the bible says, in times past God spoke in divers ways at sundry times and various ways
( see Hebrews 1:1 )

1.You have to take into account the serpent on the pole was made of brass.

2.Brass represents judgement

3.The fiery serpents if you recall from the incident in Numbers 21:6 represent that which was hurting the people, biting them causing them to die. In addition they became subject to fiery poisonous serpents because of their adamant rejection of God's Grace toward them and their desire to return to the bondage of Egypt rather than remain under the Grace of God, trusting in His ability to sustain them

4. In short the serpents represented sin, that which bites everyone and causes them all to die ( see Romans 5:12, 1 Corinthians 15:56 )

5. Being brass, the serpent is being represented as judged, lifeless, dead, mute, unable to hurt or harm anyone...therefore it gave life to those who looked upon it

6. In the same way, Jesus being made sin, sin taken upon Himself was judged in the Body of Jesus, on the cross, lifeless, mute sin was made incapable of hurting those all who look upon Jesus

Why a serpent?

Serpents obviously represent the Nature of Satan cunning, deceiving, subtle, in stealth, able to wriggle its way into the life of any person, situation or circumstance

Why on a pole?

A pole is a form of a tree, the tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil is the source and origin of the curse that fell to all mankind.

In dying on a cross which is also a form of a tree, Jesus has taken the curse that was upon all mankind upon Himself, making Himself the ultimate sacrifice in the knowledge that taking it upon Himself He would destroy it's power to keep people in bondage. Some theologians call it the Divine Exchange (see Isaiah 53)


you must not leave his body on the tree overnight. Be sure to bury him that same day, because anyone who is hung on a tree is under God's curse. You must not desecrate the land the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance.
Deuteronomy 21:23


Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangs on a tree:
Galatians 3:13

[Insight]

More to the point insight why did God allow that devil into the realm of the Garden or was he not yet kicked out of heaven?

Book, Chapter and Verse 

[Insight]

Insight you have the slightly annoying manner in which you belabor a point instead of simply making it...

Not that I portend to be Christ, certainly not but the Master was such a teacher.  Often it is good for us (disciples ) to labour to understand rather than getting a desired "quick fix

[gospel]

Insight you have the slightly annoying manner in which you belabor a point instead of simply making it...

Not that I portend to be Christ, certainly not but the Master was such a teacher.  Often it is good for us (disciples ) to labour to understand rather than getting a desired "quick fix