People did you know: if one sins he or she does not know God?

[DaveW]

Giver - in what  ever version you quote in the OP, there is no differentiation between deliberate transgression and accidental (or unknowing) sin.

[Bitter Sweet]

(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[MeMyself]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

[Giver]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

[gospel]

Did I say John was wrong?

I am only saying the definition of sin used earlier in this thread may be wrong.

Do you really think that missing the mark is a better description of sin than any wrongdoing?

Since that is what the original langugage means - YES.

The bible gives us many example of sin, and I doubt many people are confused by what constitute a sin.

Satan my try to disguise some actions, but the Holy Spirit will make sure one does not fall into Satan's trap.

There are Sins, Transgressions and Iniquities. They each have a unique definition based on the original words.

Sins are missing the mark and are not intentional. You aim at the target and miss.

Transgressions are intentional.  You don't even aim at the target. (sometimes biblically incuded in sins as BOTH end up missing the target)

Iniquities are the trans-generational effects and pre-dispositions from the sins and transgressions of our ancestors. They would include predispositions to certain sins that seem to run in families like domestic violence, anger, alcoholism, sexual perversions .... I doubt any would say that this was not sinful.

So if you are talking about JUST intentional disobedience as being sin, you leave off a LOT.

Excellent!

More manna

[MeMyself]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

For someone who pretends to be so perfect and without sin...you certainly are rude!  Isn't being rude an ungodly act?  Wouldn't an ungodly act be a wrong doing? Haven't you told us that any wrong doing is sin?  Yikes... your "truth" isn't looking so good right about now is it?  

My answer is not a cop out, not is it garbage.  Review my posts.  I KNOW I have given chapter and verse to you. I know I have told you also it would benefit you to read and find out for yourself.  What is a cop out is your brushing what I've said aside. What is garbage is your false message.

Its in 2nd Timothy that we learn when we are faithLESS He REMAINS faithFUL!  Nope, neither a cop out nor garbage.  

[Giver]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

For someone who pretends to be so perfect and without sin...you certainly are rude!  Isn't being rude an ungodly act?  Wouldn't an ungodly act be a wrong doing? Haven't you told us that any wrong doing is sin?  Yikes... your "truth" isn't looking so good right about now is it? 

My answer is not a cop out, not is it garbage.  Review my posts.  I KNOW I have given chapter and verse to you. I know I have told you also it would benefit you to read and find out for yourself.  What is a cop out is your brushing what I've said aside. What is garbage is your false message.

Its in 2nd Timothy that we learn when we are faithLESS He REMAINS faithFUL!  Nope, neither a cop out nor garbage. 

That is right God is faithful, and he will do as he says he will do. 
(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[Bitter Sweet]

I was just reading 2 Timothy 2:19 Nevertheless, God's solid foundation stands firm, sealed with this inscription: "The Lord knows those who are his,

[MeMyself]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

For someone who pretends to be so perfect and without sin...you certainly are rude!  Isn't being rude an ungodly act?  Wouldn't an ungodly act be a wrong doing? Haven't you told us that any wrong doing is sin?  Yikes... your "truth" isn't looking so good right about now is it? 

My answer is not a cop out, not is it garbage.  Review my posts.  I KNOW I have given chapter and verse to you. I know I have told you also it would benefit you to read and find out for yourself.  What is a cop out is your brushing what I've said aside. What is garbage is your false message.

Its in 2nd Timothy that we learn when we are faithLESS He REMAINS faithFUL!  Nope, neither a cop out nor garbage. 

That is right God is faithful, and he will do as he says he will do. 
(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[MeMyself]

Also, no one is arguing against the importance of living a godly lifestyle!  What IS being argued against is the thought that one is better off NOT knowing God, because He will forgive the worldly and or godless, but He will NOT forgive His own children when they stumble!  Insanity!

God longs for NONE to perish so how can what Giver is saying even be close to truth?  It isn't!

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance.

[MeMyself]

LOVE this passage from Psalms  

Psalm 103
Of David.
1 Praise the LORD, my soul;
  all my inmost being, praise his holy name.
2 Praise the LORD, my soul,
  and forget not all his benefits—
3 who forgives all your sins    and heals all your diseases,
4 who redeems your life from the pit
  and crowns you with love and compassion,
5 who satisfies your desires with good things
  so that your youth is renewed like the eagle's.
~~~

SO good to know that the Lord forgives ALL our sinS.  Not a one time thing, but on going!  

[Giver]

MeMyself,A Christian is dead to sin, and does not need forgiveness of sins. Those who sin are still under the Law, and will be judged by the Law.

(Galations 5:13-26)

[MeMyself]

MeMyself,A Christian is dead to sin, and does not need forgiveness of sins. Those who sin are still under the Law, and will be judged by the Law.

Close, but no...not correct.

A True Christian is dead to the *wages* of sin! We need to be forgiven and that is why Christ pleads for us. 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

If we are dead to sin and do not need forgiveness, as you claim, WHY is Christ advocating and speaking to the Father in our defense?

Ps.  A True Christian is not under the penalty of the law, because we accept the pefect Lamb of God's sacrifice for our sin. 

[Giver]

MeMyself,A Christian is dead to sin, and does not need forgiveness of sins. Those who sin are still under the Law, and will be judged by the Law.

Close, but no...not correct.

A True Christian is dead to the *wages* of sin! We need to be forgiven and that is why Christ pleads for us. 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

If we are dead to sin and do not need forgiveness, as you claim, WHY is Christ advocating and speaking to the Father in our defense?

Ps.  It is interesting to me that you get what you do from the reading of Galations.  No one is advocating for living under law...but what you are preaching seems more like law living than what I am saying.  CHRIST alone is not law.  Law keeping is being good enough to be accepted.  No one could and so the sacrifices were offered.  CHRIST alone was good enough.  HE is the ONLY sinless being worthy of being the once for all sacrifice to free us from the wages of sin and the condemnation of not being able to keep the law because every human misses the mark. (Romans 3:23)

(Romans 6: 1-2) "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

(Romans 6:11) "In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus

[MeMyself]

MeMyself,A Christian is dead to sin, and does not need forgiveness of sins. Those who sin are still under the Law, and will be judged by the Law.

Close, but no...not correct.

A True Christian is dead to the *wages* of sin! We need to be forgiven and that is why Christ pleads for us. 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

If we are dead to sin and do not need forgiveness, as you claim, WHY is Christ advocating and speaking to the Father in our defense?

Ps.  It is interesting to me that you get what you do from the reading of Galations.  No one is advocating for living under law...but what you are preaching seems more like law living than what I am saying.  CHRIST alone is not law.  Law keeping is being good enough to be accepted.  No one could and so the sacrifices were offered.  CHRIST alone was good enough.  HE is the ONLY sinless being worthy of being the once for all sacrifice to free us from the wages of sin and the condemnation of not being able to keep the law because every human misses the mark. (Romans 3:23)

(Romans 6: 1-2) "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

(Romans 6:11) "In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus

[Giver]

MeMyself,A Christian is dead to sin, and does not need forgiveness of sins. Those who sin are still under the Law, and will be judged by the Law.

Close, but no...not correct.

A True Christian is dead to the *wages* of sin! We need to be forgiven and that is why Christ pleads for us. 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

If we are dead to sin and do not need forgiveness, as you claim, WHY is Christ advocating and speaking to the Father in our defense?

Ps.  It is interesting to me that you get what you do from the reading of Galations.  No one is advocating for living under law...but what you are preaching seems more like law living than what I am saying.  CHRIST alone is not law.  Law keeping is being good enough to be accepted.  No one could and so the sacrifices were offered.  CHRIST alone was good enough.  HE is the ONLY sinless being worthy of being the once for all sacrifice to free us from the wages of sin and the condemnation of not being able to keep the law because every human misses the mark. (Romans 3:23)

(Romans 6: 1-2) "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

(Romans 6:11) "In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus

[gospel]

Why is it people will go to such links to avoid the truth?

What links? 

[MeMyself]

MeMyself,A Christian is dead to sin, and does not need forgiveness of sins. Those who sin are still under the Law, and will be judged by the Law.

Close, but no...not correct.

A True Christian is dead to the *wages* of sin! We need to be forgiven and that is why Christ pleads for us. 1 John 2:1 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One.

If we are dead to sin and do not need forgiveness, as you claim, WHY is Christ advocating and speaking to the Father in our defense?

Ps.  It is interesting to me that you get what you do from the reading of Galations.  No one is advocating for living under law...but what you are preaching seems more like law living than what I am saying.  CHRIST alone is not law.  Law keeping is being good enough to be accepted.  No one could and so the sacrifices were offered.  CHRIST alone was good enough.  HE is the ONLY sinless being worthy of being the once for all sacrifice to free us from the wages of sin and the condemnation of not being able to keep the law because every human misses the mark. (Romans 3:23)

(Romans 6: 1-2) "What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer?

(Romans 6:11) "In the same way, count yourselves dead to sin but alive to God in Christ Jesus

[MeMyself]

Giver Romans 8 does tell us how to overcome sin...THROUGH JESUS CHRIST!!!!

Romans 8:1-4
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

WHY is it important to be IN Christ Jesus?  Because of our SINFUL nature!!!!  We are free from the law of sin and death when we accept Him as the ONE way to the Father, and He will never leave or forsake us!  He pleads with the Father on our behalf if.we.sin.   

[Giver]

Giver Romans 8 does tell us how to overcome sin...THROUGH JESUS CHRIST!!!!

Romans 8:1-4
Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, 2 because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit who gives life has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what the law was powerless to do because it was weakened by the flesh,God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fully met in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit.

WHY is it important to be IN Christ Jesus?  Because of our SINFUL nature!!!!  We are free from the law of sin and death when we accept Him as the ONE way to the Father, and He will never leave or forsake us!  He pleads with the Father on our behalf if.we.sin.   

I am trying to burst your bubble, and your ignorance of scripture.

For one who knows God and sins there is no repentance. 

(Hebrews 10:26-31) "If, after we have been given knowledge of the truth, we should deliberately commit any sins, then there is no longer any sacrifice for them.  There is left only the dreadful prospect of judgment and of the fiery wrath that is to devour your enemies.  Anyone who disregards the Law of Moses is ruthlessly put to death on the word of two witnesses or three; and you may be sure that anyone who tramples on the Son of God, and who treats the blood of the covenant which sanctified him as if it were not holy, and who insults the Spirit of grace, will be condemned to a far severer punishment.  We are all aware who it was that said: Vengeance is mine; I will vindicate his people.  It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

[SunSpot]

We all know, except giver, that we ALL sin whether we like it or not, so why try to change him? If he is so full of pride that he wants to believe that he is like Jesus and has never sinned, then let him.

How does that help anyone?  It can be painful and difficult to give up a pivitol belief no matter how wrong you
are

Trying to get others to identify with your error through a challenge can be an indication that said belief is
so burdensome that the person would like some help sharing it

Result?  Most everyone replies....that's not true!...resulting in the error being reinforced as a special
message that the person alone has received in their 'enlightenment'  It's really not easy to help someone
let go of 'special' knowledge or understanding

[MeMyself]

I am trying to burst your bubble, and your ignorance of scripture.

 Okie dokie.  I quoted verses word for word.  They show what I am saying IS THE Truth, while your message relies solely on cut and paste and taping verses together. You are so desperate to be right that you even hold up Romans 8 as the standard, but deny Christ is the ONLY way...which is the crux of Romans 8 BTW...and say your good standing with God will be enough.

For one who knows God and sins there is no repentance.  

Not true.  There is NO CONDEMNATION for those who are IN Christ Jesus!  Right there from Romans 8, verse ONE!  
My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have one who speaks to the Father in our defense--Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 1 John 2:1  
 

You LIE when you say we cannot find forgiveness in the arms of our Father!  Luke 15 completely verifies this!  One lost sheep, sought after and brought HOME, one lost coin, searched for and FOUND, one wayward son, WELCOMED HOME, REJOICED OVER and FORGIVEN!


Its quite frankly none of your business at what maturity level those in the body of Christ are.  That is between them and God.

[MeMyself]

Oh..and I do not pretend to be some sort of scripture expert.  I just know what I read and believe it to be Truth. 

[SunSpot]

Corinthians 3:1-3) "Brothers, I myself was unable to speak to you as people of the Spirit; I treated you as sensual men, still infants in Christ.  What I fed you with was milk, not solid food, for you were not ready for it; and indeed, you are still not ready for it since you are still unspiritual.  Isn't that obvious from all the jealousy and wrangling that there is among you, from the way that you go on behaving like ordinary people?

[Ladonia]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage.  

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

[Giver]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

You believe me to be bad, because I told the truth? Have you read scripture, and observed how Jesus, Peter, Paul talked to some people? 

[Bitter Sweet]

Jesus was really rude to his mother too at the wedding.

I remember when my husband yelled at his mother for giving me something she had been saving for years for me at our marriage. I felt so bad for her, I yelled back at him and told him don't embarrass your mother, I like what she gave me.

[Sinead]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage.  

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

You believe me to be bad, because I told the truth? Have you read scripture, and observed how Jesus, Peter, Paul talked to some people?  

In your defense giver this is true..

"Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of dead men's bones and everything unclean.

But when He saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where He was baptizing, He said to them: "You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

[Ladonia]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

You believe me to be bad, because I told the truth? Have you read scripture, and observed how Jesus, Peter, Paul talked to some people? 

You've been going on and on how people who sin are not of God, they do not know God. You say you know God, yet you have sinned with your post. So, your original hypothesis is wrong. I say you are a Christian, you try to live a most holy life, yet you too can sin. That's the point. So, just admit it, God will still love you.

[MeMyself]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

You believe me to be bad, because I told the truth? Have you read scripture, and observed how Jesus, Peter, Paul talked to some people? 

So... ..all it takes now for something to be "truth" is opinion of the speaker?  Interesting.  I answered your smug "why don't' you use scripture instead of your opinion" with the fact that I HAD used it, but you dismissed it...quite rudely actually. (calling it garbage and a cop out) God IS love (1 John 4:8), love is NOT rude (1 Corinthians 13:5).  Therefore, **IMO** rudeness is sin.
SCRIPTURE is TRUTH (which is what *I* was using, just not chapter and verse every.single.time.), not your opinion, Giver.

ALSO, you are not Jesus.  He was qualified to call people on stuff harshly, He was their God and saw the intent of their hearts.  (Matthew 22:18)
As for Peter and Paul.  They struggled with sin like the rest of us that you attempt to condemn.  Are you sure you should point to men like them for your example?  

[chosenone]

 

Cant believe this is still going on. Come on guys, we all know that we sin. Paul says so, The Bible says so. Jesus died BECAUSE we do. What more do we need to know?I cant even believe that we are even discussing such a ridiculous idea.

"If we say we are without sin we DECIEVE ourselves,and the truth is NOT IN US". Giver is deceiving himself according to the Bible(God).

[Ladonia]

So you say there is much scripture that says I have it wrong.  Why then don't you rebuke me using scripture instead of your opinion?

Oh my goodness, Giver!  I HAVE given you the scripture!  Over and over and over again!  I even asked you to go and read and find out for yourself.  It is NOT my opinion!  What I am sharing is FROM the WORD!  If you knew it at all, you would recognize it.

Your answer is nothing but a cop out, and is garbage. 

Giver, thank you for that answer. I knew that sooner or later you would show the world what you really are; a human being and a SINNER! You got a little exasperated there brother with the charges of "cop out" and then topping it off by saying "garbage". Now, was that really nice? See, you are just like the rest of us, human beings who eventually sin, no matter how hard we try to be of the Lord. But you are in luck, Our Lord Jesus Christ offers forgiveness to those who seek it, and a liitle pennace wouldn't hurt either. Hallelulah! Giver is just like the rest of us, a sinner. Now all you have to do is humble yourself and admit it! God bless.

You believe me to be bad, because I told the truth? Have you read scripture, and observed how Jesus, Peter, Paul talked to some people? 

So... ..all it takes now for something to be "truth" is opinion of the speaker?  Interesting.  I answered your smug "why don't' you use scripture instead of your opinion" with the fact that I HAD used it, but you dismissed it...quite rudely actually. (calling it garbage and a cop out) God IS love (1 John 4:8), love is NOT rude (1 Corinthians 13:5).  Therefore, **IMO** rudeness is sin.
SCRIPTURE is TRUTH (which is what *I* was using, just not chapter and verse every.single.time.), not your opinion, Giver.

ALSO, you are not Jesus.  He was qualified to call people on stuff harshly, He was their God and saw the intent of their hearts.  (Matthew 22:18)
As for Peter and Paul.  They struggled with sin like the rest of us that you attempt to condemn.  Are you sure you should point to men like them for your example?  

Givers ploy is all over. Humans sin and Christians are human so we can sin.  What sets us apart from non-believers is the concept of redemption.  God still loves and forgives us and we need to love and forgive each other.  That was well said, especially  your second paragraph.

[Giver]

Cant believe this is still going on. Come on guys, we all know that we sin. Paul says so, The Bible says so. Jesus died BECAUSE we do. What more do we need to know?I cant even believe that we are even discussing such a ridiculous idea.

"If we say we are without sin we DECIEVE ourselves,and the truth is NOT IN US". Giver is deceiving himself according to the Bible(God).

You have an opinion why don't you back up that opinion with scripture? 

The Bible I read tells us a Christian does not sin.  What bible do you read?

(1 John 3-10) "Everyone who has this hope based on him makes himself pure, as he is pure. Everyone who commits sin commits lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.  You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who remains in him sins; no one who sins has seen him or known him. Children, let no one deceive you. The person who acts in righteousness is righteous, just as he is righteous. Whoever sins belongs to the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. Indeed, the Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God.  In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.

[Ladonia]

Cant believe this is still going on. Come on guys, we all know that we sin. Paul says so, The Bible says so. Jesus died BECAUSE we do. What more do we need to know?I cant even believe that we are even discussing such a ridiculous idea.

"If we say we are without sin we DECIEVE ourselves,and the truth is NOT IN US". Giver is deceiving himself according to the Bible(God).

You have an opinion why don't you back up that opinion with scripture? 

The Bible I read tells us a Christian does not sin.  What bible do you read?

(1 John 3-10) "Everyone who has this hope based on him makes himself pure, as he is pure. Everyone who commits sin commits lawlessness, for sin is lawlessness.  You know that he was revealed to take away sins, and in him there is no sin. No one who remains in him sins; no one who sins has seen him or known him. Children, let no one deceive you. The person who acts in righteousness is righteous, just as he is righteous. Whoever sins belongs to the devil, because the devil has sinned from the beginning. Indeed, the Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil. No one who is begotten by God commits sin, because God's seed remains in him; he cannot sin because he is begotten by God.  In this way, the children of God and the children of the devil are made plain; no one who fails to act in righteousness belongs to God, nor anyone who does not love his brother.

[Talking Donkey]

The worst sinners are those that the blood of Jesus does not clean... the Self Righteouss, the ones that  claim they can see clearly ....

Jn 9:41 Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.

... the ones that claim they are perfect now, the ones that boast about how well they keep the law, the ones that go around ministering condemnation.  The accusers.

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

The self righteouss are dead meat.  

Luke 18:9 And he spoke this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others:
10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Jesus had patience with all sinners except the self righteouss.  The self righteouss call themselves "the good doers" and claim "there is no sin in them".  We know who they are.  They preach the gospel of self righteousness.  We preach Jesus, the cross, the blood, and salvation by grace alone without the works of the law.