What is the history of early Christians outside the Catholic church?

[Ladonia]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

There is no "Image" worship in the Catholic Church. We worship God the Father through His son Jesus Christ. You know very well it is against Gods command to bear false witness.  For your sake you need to stop such accusations.

[Insight]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

[LightHammer]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved Him. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of its procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ's flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new. Apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries before Christ came. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

[Insight]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

There is no "Image" worship in the Catholic Church. We worship God the Father through His son Jesus Christ. You know very well it is against Gods command to bear false witness.  For your sake you need to stop such accusations.

I visited a Catholic church recently where the Mary Statue had its toes missing from the kissing.

My facts are all too real and true.

[Insight]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

[Insight]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

[LightHammer]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

There is no "Image" worship in the Catholic Church. We worship God the Father through His son Jesus Christ. You know very well it is against Gods command to bear false witness.  For your sake you need to stop such accusations.

I visited a Catholic church recently where the Mary Statue had its toes missing from the kissing.

My facts are all too real and true.

I kiss my moms. What idolatry is in a kiss?

[Insight]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

There is no "Image" worship in the Catholic Church. We worship God the Father through His son Jesus Christ. You know very well it is against Gods command to bear false witness.  For your sake you need to stop such accusations.

I visited a Catholic church recently where the Mary Statue had its toes missing from the kissing.

My facts are all too real and true.

I kiss my moms. What idolatry is in a kiss?

This response only heightens your folly!

[Insight]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

There is no "Image" worship in the Catholic Church. We worship God the Father through His son Jesus Christ. You know very well it is against Gods command to bear false witness.  For your sake you need to stop such accusations.

I visited a Catholic church recently where the Mary Statue had its toes missing from the kissing.

My facts are all too real and true.

I kiss my moms. What idolatry is in a kiss?

The question is How can one man hold such sway over the minds and bodies of men?

[Insight]

In LH's case from a child She intoxicates men's minds by her ritual and worship, with its superstition and mystery, incense, candles, gorgeous garments and processions.

She deceives not only by her miracles and lying wonders, but also by the calculated use of deception and lying in what she says. She holds men's consciences through confession to the priest. In broad operation it is a seductive process, and a continual appeal to the baser instincts of man. So she is described in the Word of God, "having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication", and (all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies" (Rev. 17:4; 18:3).

And so it was with the original Babylon: "Babylon hath been a golden cup in the LORD's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad", says Jeremiah; and Isaiah speaks of "the multitude of thy sorceries, and the great abundance of thine enchantments" (Jer. 51:7; Isa. 47:9).

[LightHammer]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

Actually the consecration of bishops when they are laying on the floor is not for the Pope its for God. I don't see how you got that confused but it's kind of funny.

[Insight]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

Actually the consecration of bishops when they are laying on the floor is not for the Pope its for God. I don't see how you got that confused but it's kind of funny.

Interesting that the Pope is standing?

Kind-a-funny ah...but nice try LH

I believe you are drowning in Roman Catholicism and while I am throwing you are lifeline it appears you are firmly held by her grip.

Understandably so - - her seduction is strong – I know!!

[LightHammer]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

So says Insight.

However the Bible says nothing about a transferral from two great cities. In fact Rev 11:8 reaffirms Jerusalem's status when it speaks about the Two Witnesses laying dead in the same city where Christ was delivered to be crucified!

Scriptural facts my brother. Verse upon verse. While you present pictures coupled with your misrepresentation of rites and twist the very clear words of the Apocalyspe.

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[Insight]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

So says Insight.

However the Bible says nothing about a transferral from two great cities. In fact Rev 11:8 reaffirms Jerusalem's status when it speaks about the Two Witnesses laying dead in the same city where Christ was delivered to be crucified!

Scriptural facts my brother. Verse upon verse. While you present pictures coupled with your misrepresentation of rites and twist the very clear words of the Apocalyspe.

<CHECK>

I requested you explain the "The Great City" "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" but all I get is your inference of Jerusalem, though you acknowledge Jesus was crucified on a Roman Tree, under Roman Jurisdiction out of the mouth of a Roman Governor and later we see two witnesses being killed from many tongues and nations under the same Roman Authority (Babylon) in like manner as Christ?

Insight

[LightHammer]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

Actually the consecration of bishops when they are laying on the floor is not for the Pope its for God. I don't see how you got that confused but it's kind of funny.

Interesting that the Pope is standing?

Kind-a-funny ah...but nice try LH

I believe you are drowning in Roman Catholicism and while I am throwing you are lifeline it appears you are firmly held by her grip.

Understandably so - - her seduction is strong – I know!!

The Pope isn't the only standing. Other bishops stand when in attendance as well. You wanna know why? Because the Pope and those other ordained bishops have already left behind everything and laid themselves before God in this rite.

There's no need for them to genuflect yet again when this rite is suppose to being a symbolic act of submission to God and initiation into His higher service.lol

I really shouldn't laugh but it is kind of funny. I mean it's like a random clueless guy walking into my swearing in ceremony into the military back in 2009 and claiming me and the new recruits are swearing an oath or of service to the Officer whois leading us in the oath or the officers attending.

Only someone looking from the outside with less than half a clue of what's going would come to that conclusion. Ok forgive but it is too funny.

[LightHammer]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

So says Insight.

However the Bible says nothing about a transferral from two great cities. In fact Rev 11:8 reaffirms Jerusalem's status when it speaks about the Two Witnesses laying dead in the same city where Christ was delivered to be crucified!

Scriptural facts my brother. Verse upon verse. While you present pictures coupled with your misrepresentation of rites and twist the very clear words of the Apocalyspe.

<CHECK>

I requested you explain the "The Great City" "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" but all I get is your inference of Jerusalem, though you acknowledge Jesus was crucified on a Roman Tree, under Roman Jurisdiction out of the mouth of a Roman Governor and later we see two witnesses being killed from many tongues and nations under the same Roman Authority (Babylon) in like manner as Christ?

Insight

And that was all done IN the great city of Jerusalem.

<CHECK>

[Insight]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

So says Insight.

However the Bible says nothing about a transferral from two great cities. In fact Rev 11:8 reaffirms Jerusalem's status when it speaks about the Two Witnesses laying dead in the same city where Christ was delivered to be crucified!

Scriptural facts my brother. Verse upon verse. While you present pictures coupled with your misrepresentation of rites and twist the very clear words of the Apocalyspe.

<CHECK>

I requested you explain the "The Great City" "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" but all I get is your inference of Jerusalem, though you acknowledge Jesus was crucified on a Roman Tree, under Roman Jurisdiction out of the mouth of a Roman Governor and later we see two witnesses being killed from many tongues and nations under the same Roman Authority (Babylon) in like manner as Christ?

Insight

And that was all done IN the great city of Jerusalem.

<CHECK>

Correct under the dominion of that great city Rome.

[LightHammer]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

So says Insight.

However the Bible says nothing about a transferral from two great cities. In fact Rev 11:8 reaffirms Jerusalem's status when it speaks about the Two Witnesses laying dead in the same city where Christ was delivered to be crucified!

Scriptural facts my brother. Verse upon verse. While you present pictures coupled with your misrepresentation of rites and twist the very clear words of the Apocalyspe.

<CHECK>

I requested you explain the "The Great City" "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" but all I get is your inference of Jerusalem, though you acknowledge Jesus was crucified on a Roman Tree, under Roman Jurisdiction out of the mouth of a Roman Governor and later we see two witnesses being killed from many tongues and nations under the same Roman Authority (Babylon) in like manner as Christ?

Insight

And that was all done IN the great city of Jerusalem.

<CHECK>

Correct under the dominion of that great city Rome.

Man may call it a great city but God only calls Jerusalem slayer of His messengers(Luke 13:36), persecutor of His Son (Matthew 10) a great city. The Bible calls such a city Egypt and Sodom.

You are just some guy trying to raise his poorly formatted exegesis to equal status as God's holy prophecy. Sorry but nope I won't add to this revealed contents or take away from it. I'll leave it to you.

[Insight]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

So says Insight.

However the Bible says nothing about a transferral from two great cities. In fact Rev 11:8 reaffirms Jerusalem's status when it speaks about the Two Witnesses laying dead in the same city where Christ was delivered to be crucified!

Scriptural facts my brother. Verse upon verse. While you present pictures coupled with your misrepresentation of rites and twist the very clear words of the Apocalyspe.

<CHECK>

I requested you explain the "The Great City" "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" but all I get is your inference of Jerusalem, though you acknowledge Jesus was crucified on a Roman Tree, under Roman Jurisdiction out of the mouth of a Roman Governor and later we see two witnesses being killed from many tongues and nations under the same Roman Authority (Babylon) in like manner as Christ?

Insight

And that was all done IN the great city of Jerusalem.

<CHECK>

Correct under the dominion of that great city Rome.

Man may call it a great city but God only calls Jerusalem slayer of His messengers(Luke 13:36), persecutor of His Son (Matthew 10) a great city. The Bible calls such a city Egypt and Sodom.

You are just some guy trying to raise his poorly formatted exegesis to equal status as God's holy prophecy. Sorry but nope I won't add to this revealed contents or take away from it. I'll leave it to you.

If you go back you have added nothing...for we wait for your explanation of the "Great City" and "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City"

Add to this I have requested you answer who is the RCC's eldest daughter?

To which we have silence...

Insight

[Insight]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

Actually the consecration of bishops when they are laying on the floor is not for the Pope its for God. I don't see how you got that confused but it's kind of funny.

Interesting that the Pope is standing?

Kind-a-funny ah...but nice try LH

I believe you are drowning in Roman Catholicism and while I am throwing you are lifeline it appears you are firmly held by her grip.

Understandably so - - her seduction is strong – I know!!

The Pope isn't the only standing. Other bishops stand when in attendance as well. You wanna know why? Because the Pope and those other ordained bishops have already left behind everything and laid themselves before God in this rite.

There's no need for them to genuflect yet again when this rite is suppose to being a symbolic act of submission to God and initiation into His higher service.lol

I really shouldn't laugh but it is kind of funny. I mean it's like a random clueless guy walking into my swearing in ceremony into the military back in 2009 and claiming me and the new recruits are swearing an oath or of service to the Officer whois leading us in the oath or the officers attending.

Only someone looking from the outside with less than half a clue of what's going would come to that conclusion. Ok forgive but it is too funny.

I have noticed when you get a little shacky you reduce matters to humour...thats ok if you can support your beliefs with facts but not so here.

Do you kneel before your Eucharist?

Receiving the Eucharist on the tongue while kneeling before the pope will become the norm at papal liturgies, said the Vatican's liturgist.

Why before the Pope?

It goes on to say...

He said the pope would begin wearing a shorter pallium — a circular woolen band worn over the shoulders with a shorter strip hanging down the front and back — similar to the kind worn by Pope John Paul II...

The white woolen pallium is a sign of the pope's and an archbishop's authority over the Christian community and the Gospel authority of a shepherd called to carry his sheep, to lead them and to feed them. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0803381.htm

[LightHammer]

We know at the return of Christ there is according to the Revelation a vast system described as a harlot, and carrying the name of Babylon the Great, and a city called Babylon the Great.

"True and righteous are his judgements: for he hath judged the great wh*re, which did corrupt the earth with her fornication ..." (Rev. 19:2).

One must ask when has Judaism corrupted the earth?

Is Judaism the Great wh*re who totally opposes Christ? or is the Great City that which eventually introduced image worship under a Babylonian system?

It was in the introduction of Image worship into the Church that Christianity 'conquered the ancient Babylonish apostasy'. The Catholic Church itself claims to trace devotion to Mary back to this time.

In an Encyclical, 1954, with the English title: "Mary Queen of all Creation",

Pope Pius XII writes:

"Moreover in a letter (AD 498) to Pope Hormisdas, Epiphanius, bishop of Constantinople, says that supplication must be made for the preservation of the unity of the church 'by favour of the holy and consubstantial Trinity, and through the entreaties of our Holy Sovereign Lady, the glorious Virgin Mary, Mother of God".

She bares all the traits of an Apostate Body whose influence and roots saw the crucifixion of Christ only to once again persecute the two witnesses with her boarders to the death once more but under the name of a Triune God.  

Insight

No Judaism loved and patiently awaited the coming of Christ and when He came they accepted Him and loved. However apostate Jews centered in Jerusalem slaughtered a generation of innocent babies in order to attempt to kill Christ. Apostate Jews centered in Jerusal fought a doctrinal war against the teachings of Christ for the majority of it procession. Apostate Jews from Jerusalem turned one of the elect from his Master and arrested Christ, beat Christ, tried Christ, condemned Christ and delivered Him into the hands of her Beast and the Beast shred Christ flesh, pierced His rib, nailed Him to His cross and left Him to be thrown by an impending storm.

Again nothing new apostate Jerusalem had been doing its thing for centuries. Jeremiah suffered a similar fate. In fact let's hear Christ's words on Jerusalem.

Luke 13:34"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing!

Yes judged for her wickedness the Gospel turned to the Gentiles where the Pharisee has been replaced with the Holy Romanist.

Plain and simple LH...

So says Insight.

However the Bible says nothing about a transferral from two great cities. In fact Rev 11:8 reaffirms Jerusalem's status when it speaks about the Two Witnesses laying dead in the same city where Christ was delivered to be crucified!

Scriptural facts my brother. Verse upon verse. While you present pictures coupled with your misrepresentation of rites and twist the very clear words of the Apocalyspe.

<CHECK>

I requested you explain the "The Great City" "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" but all I get is your inference of Jerusalem, though you acknowledge Jesus was crucified on a Roman Tree, under Roman Jurisdiction out of the mouth of a Roman Governor and later we see two witnesses being killed from many tongues and nations under the same Roman Authority (Babylon) in like manner as Christ?

Insight

And that was all done IN the great city of Jerusalem.

<CHECK>

Correct under the dominion of that great city Rome.

Man may call it a great city but God only calls Jerusalem slayer of His messengers(Luke 13:36), persecutor of His Son (Matthew 10) a great city. The Bible calls such a city Egypt and Sodom.

You are just some guy trying to raise his poorly formatted exegesis to equal status as God's holy prophecy. Sorry but nope I won't add to this revealed contents or take away from it. I'll leave it to you.

If you go back you have added nothing...for we wait for your explanation of the "Great City" and "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City"

Add to this I have requested you answer who is the RCC's eldest daughter?

To which we have silence...

Insight

All of them are immaterial. They are your attempts to force your ideology into the clear cut words of scripture.

[LightHammer]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

Actually the consecration of bishops when they are laying on the floor is not for the Pope its for God. I don't see how you got that confused but it's kind of funny.

Interesting that the Pope is standing?

Kind-a-funny ah...but nice try LH

I believe you are drowning in Roman Catholicism and while I am throwing you are lifeline it appears you are firmly held by her grip.

Understandably so - - her seduction is strong – I know!!

The Pope isn't the only standing. Other bishops stand when in attendance as well. You wanna know why? Because the Pope and those other ordained bishops have already left behind everything and laid themselves before God in this rite.

There's no need for them to genuflect yet again when this rite is suppose to being a symbolic act of submission to God and initiation into His higher service.lol

I really shouldn't laugh but it is kind of funny. I mean it's like a random clueless guy walking into my swearing in ceremony into the military back in 2009 and claiming me and the new recruits are swearing an oath or of service to the Officer whois leading us in the oath or the officers attending.

Only someone looking from the outside with less than half a clue of what's going would come to that conclusion. Ok forgive but it is too funny.

I have noticed when you get a little shacky you reduce matters to humour...thats ok if you can support your beliefs with facts but not so here.

Do you kneel before your Eucharist?

Receiving the Eucharist on the tongue while kneeling before the pope will become the norm at papal liturgies, said the Vatican's liturgist.

Why before the Pope?

It goes on to say...

He said the pope would begin wearing a shorter pallium — a circular woolen band worn over the shoulders with a shorter strip hanging down the front and back — similar to the kind worn by Pope John Paul II...

The white woolen pallium is a sign of the pope's and an archbishop's authority over the Christian community and the Gospel authority of a shepherd called to carry his sheep, to lead them and to feed them. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0803381.htm

Leapfrog much.

So because your complete and utter lack of understanding for the photo you presented was shown for all to see, you jump to other forms of reverence? Sad.

I'd rather you just admit your silly misconception than simply acting like it was nothing and trying to skate into different points of contention. Cowardly is it not to face your own ignorance of things.

Oh Arian, I expected more from you.

[Insight]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

Actually the consecration of bishops when they are laying on the floor is not for the Pope its for God. I don't see how you got that confused but it's kind of funny.

Interesting that the Pope is standing?

Kind-a-funny ah...but nice try LH

I believe you are drowning in Roman Catholicism and while I am throwing you are lifeline it appears you are firmly held by her grip.

Understandably so - - her seduction is strong – I know!!

The Pope isn't the only standing. Other bishops stand when in attendance as well. You wanna know why? Because the Pope and those other ordained bishops have already left behind everything and laid themselves before God in this rite.

There's no need for them to genuflect yet again when this rite is suppose to being a symbolic act of submission to God and initiation into His higher service.lol

I really shouldn't laugh but it is kind of funny. I mean it's like a random clueless guy walking into my swearing in ceremony into the military back in 2009 and claiming me and the new recruits are swearing an oath or of service to the Officer whois leading us in the oath or the officers attending.

Only someone looking from the outside with less than half a clue of what's going would come to that conclusion. Ok forgive but it is too funny.

I have noticed when you get a little shacky you reduce matters to humour...thats ok if you can support your beliefs with facts but not so here.

Do you kneel before your Eucharist?

Receiving the Eucharist on the tongue while kneeling before the pope will become the norm at papal liturgies, said the Vatican's liturgist.

Why before the Pope?

It goes on to say...

He said the pope would begin wearing a shorter pallium — a circular woolen band worn over the shoulders with a shorter strip hanging down the front and back — similar to the kind worn by Pope John Paul II...

The white woolen pallium is a sign of the pope's and an archbishop's authority over the Christian community and the Gospel authority of a shepherd called to carry his sheep, to lead them and to feed them. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0803381.htm

Leapfrog much.

So because your complete and utter lack of understanding for the photo you presented was shown for all to see, you jump to other forms of reverence? Sad.

I'd rather you just admit your silly misconception than simply acting like it was nothing and trying to skate into different points of contention. Cowardly is it not to face your own ignorance of things.

Oh Arian, I expected more from you.

Many times I have tried to extract from you a coherent understanding of Rev 11:7,8,9 but as the posts have witnessed nothing but inference and hearsay.

Once more shall we?

The "Great City" and "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" We added to this the request for whom you believe is the RCC's eldest daughter?

Thus far all you have provided is that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem to which I agree - it was difficult to extract your understanding of the Roman dominion, Roman Cross and Roman Jurisdiction and further waiting for you to define the two witnesses, the when, where, how and by whom were they slain.

It appears you are not able to reconcile how many people from varying nations were slain as you imply in Jerusalem.

I think you need more time to consider these matters.

Insight

[LightHammer]

We are seeing Rome and Babylon transition beautifully into Christendom to become the most poweful harlot of all time.

The similiarties of Babylon and Rome and startling as in the original Babylon and the pagan Roman Empire, the Pope is Pontifex Maximus—High Priest for the gods.

The dictionary description for Pontifex is:

"A member of the college of priests in ancient Rome which included also the flamens and Vestal virgins, and was presided over by the Pontifex Maximus, the chief pontiff, which title was born by the Roman Emperors and then by the Pope". So the Scripture was fulfilled:

Consider the scripture before our eyes...

"That man of sin, that son of destruction, the opponent, who indeed lifts himself above everything called Divinity or Majesty; so as to seat himself in the Temple of God, exhibiting himself that he is God" (2 Thess. 2:4, 5).

As with Nebuchadnezzar as with the Caesars, he (Pope) receives the worship of men. His bishops at their consecration prostrate themselves before his presence.



As of old, he is "without error", as befits the earthly ruler for the gods.

In the Papacy this is a 'fact' made absolute last century in the dogma of Infallibility (1869). "Without error"!

What a perversion of truth from men who are directors of fraud, murder, and political intrigue, all in the name of the Holy One of God, he who was holy, harmless and separate from sinners.

It is at every step that the Papal blasphemy exceeds the original, because all is done in the name of the Just One. Truly she merits the name Babylon The Great.

Actually the consecration of bishops when they are laying on the floor is not for the Pope its for God. I don't see how you got that confused but it's kind of funny.

Interesting that the Pope is standing?

Kind-a-funny ah...but nice try LH

I believe you are drowning in Roman Catholicism and while I am throwing you are lifeline it appears you are firmly held by her grip.

Understandably so - - her seduction is strong – I know!!

The Pope isn't the only standing. Other bishops stand when in attendance as well. You wanna know why? Because the Pope and those other ordained bishops have already left behind everything and laid themselves before God in this rite.

There's no need for them to genuflect yet again when this rite is suppose to being a symbolic act of submission to God and initiation into His higher service.lol

I really shouldn't laugh but it is kind of funny. I mean it's like a random clueless guy walking into my swearing in ceremony into the military back in 2009 and claiming me and the new recruits are swearing an oath or of service to the Officer whois leading us in the oath or the officers attending.

Only someone looking from the outside with less than half a clue of what's going would come to that conclusion. Ok forgive but it is too funny.

I have noticed when you get a little shacky you reduce matters to humour...thats ok if you can support your beliefs with facts but not so here.

Do you kneel before your Eucharist?

Receiving the Eucharist on the tongue while kneeling before the pope will become the norm at papal liturgies, said the Vatican's liturgist.

Why before the Pope?

It goes on to say...

He said the pope would begin wearing a shorter pallium — a circular woolen band worn over the shoulders with a shorter strip hanging down the front and back — similar to the kind worn by Pope John Paul II...

The white woolen pallium is a sign of the pope's and an archbishop's authority over the Christian community and the Gospel authority of a shepherd called to carry his sheep, to lead them and to feed them. http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/0803381.htm

Leapfrog much.

So because your complete and utter lack of understanding for the photo you presented was shown for all to see, you jump to other forms of reverence? Sad.

I'd rather you just admit your silly misconception than simply acting like it was nothing and trying to skate into different points of contention. Cowardly is it not to face your own ignorance of things.

Oh Arian, I expected more from you.

Many times I have tried to extract from you a coherent understanding of Rev 11:7,8,9 but as the posts have witnessed nothing but inference and hearsay.

Once more shall we?

The "Great City" and "The Street" and the "Tenth Part of the City" We added to this the request for whom you believe is the RCC's eldest daughter?

Thus far all you have provided is that Jesus was crucified in Jerusalem to which I agree - it was difficult to extract your understanding of the Roman dominion, Roman Cross and Roman Jurisdiction and further waiting for you to define the two witnesses, the when, where, how and by whom were they slain.

It appears you are not able to reconcile how many people from varying nations were slain as you imply in Jerusalem.

I think you need more time to consider these matters.

Insight

1. I fail to see the relevance of your questions. As long as you agree that Christ was crucified in Jerusalem it's pretty much a wrap.

2. The Roman Cathoic Church (which I am beginning to think you have no idea what it is) has no daughters apart from the born again Christian women it nurtures with it sacraments and steadfast proclamation of God's moral law.

[Insight]

Dear readers

Many to have become ensnared with the seductive allurement that belongs to the Woman; the ecclesiastical system of Rome Constantine's Paganised Christianity allied to the Roman State.

The Church is represented by the most abominable of woman kind, "the mother of harlots . . . having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication" (Rev 17:4, 5).  She is seen (Rev 17: 6) drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus.

She is Christian in appearance but inwardly a revenging wolf who slew the witnesses of Rev 11 without mercy!

The same two parties are referred to in this community of saints and martyrs.

(1)   Christians in faith and practice, the true and faithful members of the One Body of which Christ is the Head (Eph. 2, 19-21), men and women who in common with the apostles went to prison and to death rather than disobey the commandments of the Lord, men and women who were under divine command to eschew the sword (Rev. 13, 10; Matt. 26, 52).

(2)   Those men, known since the time of Luther as Protestants, who were by no means wholly subject to the law of God in Christ, but who were ready at any time to draw the sword in defence of civil and religious liberty. These are the two witnesses spoken of in Rev. 11:3, who were to witness for 1,260days or symbolic years against Constantine's Catholic Apostacy embodied in the Roman Catholic Church. They are represented as being clothed in sackcloth, a symbol of mourning typical of a persecuted community. During this time their witnessing was to be effective, but at the end of the years "when they shall have finished their testimony," "the beast (Rome) shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them" (Rev 17:7).

Understand the significance of A.D 313, and  AD1573 = 1260 years to discover the persecution of the two witnesses.

May God be with your searching out this matter.

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2. The Roman Cathoic Church (which I am beginning to think you have no idea what it is) has no daughters apart from the born again Christian women it nurtures with it sacraments and steadfast proclamation of God's moral law.

You either play ignorance or you know very little about Roman (RCC) history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_France

The Roman Catholic Church of France, sometimes called the "eldest daughter of the Church"......

Maybe you could now enlighten us to "the street" and the "tenth part of the city"

Where were the two witnesses killed? Under whose dominion? Under whose authority and by whose sword?

We shall see.

Insight

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http://www.marysmedia.org/birdfilms.html#eldestdaughter  

http://www.mariedenazareth.com/8597.0.html?&L=1 

Do you know what took place in France?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_Massacre

On August 24th of that year the dreadful " Massacre of St. Bartholomew " took place at the decree of Charles IX. of France, when it is estimated that nearly 100,000 unoffending Protestants were murdered in cold blood. 

Pope Gregory XIII. celebrated the event by having a medal struck (illustrated herewith) thus owning full complicity in the dark deed, and glorying in the massacre as a triumph Of the Roman Catholic Church. On one side of the medal is the head of Gregory XIII, while on the reverse the Catholic murderers of the defenceless Huguenots are represented by an angel holding in one hand a cross and in the other a sword, killing men, women and children in the name of Christ (symbolized by the uplifted cross in his left hand). In the background is a woman representing the Roman Catholic Church with arms uplifted rejoicing at the, massacre.!* The writing on the medal in Latin (" Ugonottorum Strages, 1572") reads—" The, Slaughter fof the Huguenots, 1572."



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew's_Day_massacre

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2. The Roman Cathoic Church (which I am beginning to think you have no idea what it is) has no daughters apart from the born again Christian women it nurtures with it sacraments and steadfast proclamation of God's moral law.

You either play ignorance or you know very little about Roman (RCC) history.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholicism_in_France

The Roman Catholic Church of France, sometimes called the "eldest daughter of the Church"......

Maybe you could now enlighten us to "the street" and the "tenth part of the city"

Where were the two witnesses killed? Under whose dominion? Under whose authority and by whose sword?

We shall see.

Insight

Nope the Bible says nothing about France. The Bible is clear that the Two Witnesses were killed in the same city where Christ is crucified. Jerusalem.

You're adding your own words to the text...again.

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O dark BARTHOLOMEW, thy victims slept unburied in their blood, while proudly kept Rome her rejoicings, and the pealing bell Of great St. Peter's swung above the swell Of the triumphant anthem; and Rome sang Te Deums jubilant, and joy-bells rang, And STRUCK THAT MEDAL which proclaims to-day The slaughter of the Huguenots ! None can say Tis false ; let Memory blush, let Conscience bleed, Stung by the token of the dreadful deed."

(" City of the Seven Hills') Grattan Guinness.)

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O dark BARTHOLOMEW, thy victims slept unburied in their blood, while proudly kept Rome her rejoicings, and the pealing bell Of great St. Peter's swung above the swell Of the triumphant anthem; and Rome sang Te Deums jubilant, and joy-bells rang, And STRUCK THAT MEDAL which proclaims to-day The slaughter of the Huguenots ! None can say Tis false ; let Memory blush, let Conscience bleed, Stung by the token of the dreadful deed."

(" City of the Seven Hills') Grattan Guinness.)

Now you're not even quoting the Bible.

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Also you may want to do some homework Jerusalem was also built on seven hills but I doubt that point matters either.

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"Shall they tread under foot forty and two months " Rv 11:1

Meaning for this length of time, Gentiles who claim to be part of the Temple, shall tread underfoot those who  adhere to the Truth.

The symbol points to Roman Catholicism, which claims to be "Christian" but is not. Roman Catholicism, was granted power by the decrees of Justinian (533) and Phocas (606-610), two emperors of Constantinople.

The development and decline of the Papacy, bridged by the epoch of 1260 years, 'reveals some amazing parallels showing' that "the ages are thoroughly adjusted to God's command" (Heb. 11:3).

The following dates are significant:

• 533. Justinian proclaims the pope as Universal Bishop — 1793, the French Revolution greatly weakens papal power.

• 539. Ravenna (ancient seat of papal power) re-conquered by Justinian; papal power increases — 1799, the Napoleonic wars are directed against papal influence.

• 549-554. Justinian's Pragmatic Sanction grants to the pope control of Municipal and Provincial Governments. Papal power increases — 1809, Napoleon annexes the Papal States.

• 590. Gregory 1 appoints himself as pope, and introduces a new era of influence for the papacy — 1850, Pope Pius IX driven into exile.

• 600. Gregory's popedom at its zenith — 1860, two-thirds of the Papal States annexed by Italy.

• 608-610. Phocas confirms Justinian's decree — 1868-1870, temporal power
withdrawn from The becomes a "prisoner of the Vatican, Rome is appointed capital of Italy.

These, and other similar dates, show that an arch of 1260 years bridged the period of the development and decline of the papacy as a politico-religious organisation. During that long epoch of time, the True Ecclesia was opposed, oppressed and persecuted by the Papacy.

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Rev 11:1 cont... "Unto my two witnesses" The two witnesses are identified as those who "stand before" or oppose "the God of the earth" or the pope.

Are there any who can explain why there are two witnesses?

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LH -

I will add to your list of considerations:

"The Great City"

"The Street" (singular!)

"The Tenth Part of the City"

"Why Two (2) Witnesses"

And remember my fellow Bible Student - Every Word has deep and profound meaning the like you and I cannot fathom or appreciate fully as the Master revealed...never assume you know a matter and never stop proving your beliefs, questioning the traditions of your denomination, and ensuring your humility is as Christ to receive the engrafted Word of truth will all meekness and love.

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Heb 11:3

Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

I am trying to show "the ages" which are brought into existence by God's command - - every single part of history is God Willed and ready to teach you many things about His plan and purpose.

If you were the Catholic of all Catholics and I as you brand me the Arian of all Arian's the difference between us matters not but that which Yahweh has commanded through His beloved Son.

The outworking of the Kingdom of God on earth is the unseen substance which I am offering you in these many posts.

Now whether you desire to understand more than you already know is entirely up to you.

We were not there at Creation or at the Nicene Council nor were we there when the RCC slaughtered many innocents for defending their faith - - needless to say all is given to us "By the Word of God" and not by men or creeds.

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