This Generation

[robycop3]

Agreed, robycop3,

We do have a "general outline" of human history on this planet given to us from scripture; a pattern as presented in the original creation week's seven days.  I believe scripture presents a total of seven thousand years total of history for fallen mankind on this planet, with one day (such as each day of creation week) being the equivalent of a thousand year period of history, as Peter told the believers in II Peter 3:8.

We are now approaching the very end of the sixth millennium (in 2033).  By then, the entire world will have entered a type of "sabbath-day" rest period for the final thousand years.  In other words, the whole Corona deal across the world right now does not surprise me in the slightest.  The world is about to shift into a different mode of existence, and all for God's good purpose behind it of advancing the kingdom of God in this world, as He promised.

Though Revelation's unsealed, revealed, "AT HAND" prophecies were all fulfilled during that first-century generation, yet Rev. 10:4 allows for some "sealed up" prophecies that were NOT to be fulfilled during that generation.  These "sealed up" prophecies are for us, and there are other places in scripture that can only apply to post-AD 70 times.

(P.S.)  Personally, I have never read or purchased a single book by Preston - only listened to some of his "Morning Musings" on occasion.  And I've read only one of Gentry's works, (namely "Before Jerusalem Fell"), and differ with some of his deductions.  In fact, Dr. Gentry no longer posts my comments when I submit them to his site, because I counter some of his views with scripture, which trumps any man's observations, no matter how reputable.  Most of my developed paradigm was arrived at by concentrated study of the whole of scripture, referring to the original language as best I am able  - not based on men's commentaries of it.

  It's good that you don't believe man's commentary & private interps of Scripture, but all that was fulfilled in AD 66-=70 was the "days of vengeance" Jesus pronounced against that generation of Jews, holding them responsible for every murder of a righteous person, from Abel to then-recent times.  But remember, the Jews received a much-greater and longer punishment a coupla generations later, beginning AD 135 when Hadrian expelled them from their land. This punishment culminated in the nazi holocaust, after which, God began to lift it.

  The whole set of eschatological prophecies will be fulfilled before long, & the generation that sees them begin will see all of them fulfilled. I believe covid 19 is just one of the "birth pains"  Scripture describes. They'll become more-intense & closer together as the time approaches for the other prophecies to be fulfilled.

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Hi robycop3,

The misfortunes falling upon those who have followed Judaism from AD 70 and forward have nothing to do with God's collective  punishment upon them for failing to accept Christ as their Messiah.

Christ put a TIME LIMIT of culpability on the Jewish nation for persecuting His prophets, wise men, and scribes.  It would END with that very generation of scribes and Pharisees He was speaking to in Matthew 23:29-36.  THEY were the ones Christ addressed when He said "Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers."

You realize, don't you, that a "filled up measure" has no more room for offenses to be added to it?  That would mean that any additional offenses by individuals calling themselves Jews AFTER THAT GENERATION WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED in this particular cup of offenses against God.

It is rather disturbing that you say God has been collectively punishing every Jewish generation from AD 70 until the recent history of the holocaust for the sin of persecuting Christ's messengers, and killing Christ.  This was the mindset of Hitler and others in the WW II era, was it not?  Why would you wish to adopt this same genocidal view?

God is not unjust to extend the punishment for the death of His Son beyond that first-century generation that called a blood curse down on themselves and their own children.  All of us are now each INDIVIDUALLY accountable for acceptance or rejection of Christ.

[robycop3]

Hi robycop3,

The misfortunes falling upon those who have followed Judaism from AD 70 and forward have nothing to do with God's collective  punishment upon them for failing to accept Christ as their Messiah.

Christ put a TIME LIMIT of culpability on the Jewish nation for persecuting His prophets, wise men, and scribes.  It would END with that very generation of scribes and Pharisees He was speaking to in Matthew 23:29-36.  THEY were the ones Christ addressed when He said "Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers."

You realize, don't you, that a "filled up measure" has no more room for offenses to be added to it?  That would mean that any additional offenses by individuals calling themselves Jews AFTER THAT GENERATION WOULD NOT BE INCLUDED in this particular cup of offenses against God.

It is rather disturbing that you say God has been collectively punishing every Jewish generation from AD 70 until the recent history of the holocaust for the sin of persecuting Christ's messengers, and killing Christ.  This was the mindset of Hitler and others in the WW II era, was it not?  Why would you wish to adopt this same genocidal view?

God is not unjust to extend the punishment for the death of His Son beyond that first-century generation that called a blood curse down on themselves and their own children.  All of us are now each INDIVIDUALLY accountable for acceptance or rejection of Christ.

  The events of 66-70 AD were the "days of vengeance", the punishment of the Jews for their murders of the righteous up to the time Jesus pronounced that punishment upon that generation of Jews.

  Now, it's hard to deny that the punishment that began a coupla generations later, in 135 AD, was not much-greater in severity and duration than the destruction of J & the temple. In the first punishment, the Jews affected by it were in the general Jerusalem metro area, including the surrounding villages. The Jews in Asia Minor & Italy & the city of Rome were unaffected, while, in the next punishment, almost all the Jews on earth were affected. You know, I'm sure, that they were hated & persecuted everywhere they went for centuries. Such events as the Spanish Inquisition were directed mainly at Jews. before the nazis came to power in Germany, Jews were mostly just tolerated in Europe, mostly relegated to second-class citizenship in places where they were allowed. Shakespeare's play, The Merchant Of Venice, is a satirical view of a Jewish businessman, portraying him as something evil, which was the general European view of Jews til after the nazis fell.

  And all this punishment has befallen the Jews for their murder of Jesus & their continued rejection of Him as Messiah. But yet, thru all that, God has maintained them as a distinct people. And the day is coming when He's gonna purge all evil & evildoers from among them (and the other Israelis) so only a remnant will be left, who will be Christians.

  But before that, the Jews will build a new temple in Jerusalem, where they'll resume the Old Covenant system of sacrifices & other OT rites & observances.

  All that sound far-fetched? Well, so did the founding of the modern Jewish nation UNTIL IT HAPPENED, against all human odds! God's word STANDS, & His yet-unfulfilled prophecies will come to pass, just as those that are fulfilled always have.

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Hi robycop3,

When you are rating the severity of comparable periods of Jewish misfortune, there is one main factor you are forgetting completely.

We are not just comparing the level of bloodshed and mayhem and the number of deaths on the casualty lists, which historically has often exceeded that of AD 70 Jerusalem.  No.  The main factor that rendered the AD 70 conflict worse than any other tribulation either before then OR AFTER the AD 66-70 period was the PRESENCE OF *EVERY UNCLEAN SPIRIT IMPRISONED WITHIN JERUSALEM*.

This "imprisonment" of these demonic forces was prophesied long before in Isaiah 24:21-23.  The prophecy was repeated again in Rev. 18:2.  As well as being predicted by Christ Himself, who said that this sevenfold plague of the most wicked unclean spirits would come upon THAT WICKED GENERATION during its "last state" (Matt. 12:45).

This world had never experienced this same phenomenon before AD 66-70, and it never will again.  It was an unequalled and never-to-be-duplicated state of affairs.  You and I will never see this most horrible condition of having the ENTIRE DEMONIC REALM "imprisoned" in a single city.  Deception and suicidal activity ran rampant within Jerusalem in those days from AD 66-70.  There is nothing that can ever be compared to this.

[robycop3]

Hi robycop3,

When you are rating the severity of comparable periods of Jewish misfortune, there is one main factor you are forgetting completely.

We are not just comparing the level of bloodshed and mayhem and the number of deaths on the casualty lists, which historically has often exceeded that of AD 70 Jerusalem.  No.  The main factor that rendered the AD 70 conflict worse than any other tribulation either before then OR AFTER the AD 66-70 period was the PRESENCE OF *EVERY UNCLEAN SPIRIT IMPRISONED WITHIN JERUSALEM*.

This "imprisonment" of these demonic forces was prophesied long before in Isaiah 24:21-23.  The prophecy was repeated again in Rev. 18:2.  As well as being predicted by Christ Himself, who said that this sevenfold plague of the most wicked unclean spirits would come upon THAT WICKED GENERATION during its "last state" (Matt. 12:45).

This world had never experienced this same phenomenon before AD 66-70, and it never will again.  It was an unequalled and never-to-be-duplicated state of affairs.  You and I will never see this most horrible condition of having the ENTIRE DEMONIC REALM "imprisoned" in a single city.  Deception and suicidal activity ran rampant within Jerusalem in those days from AD 66-70.  There is nothing that can ever be compared to this.

  Nice try, Sir, but rev. 3:10 says the trib will be WORLDWIDE.

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Agreed, as I have said before.  The "beginning of sorrows" was going to include wars and rumors of wars, with kingdoms and nations rising against each other; famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in "DIVERS PLACES" throughout the world, even before the Great Tribulation in AD 66 - 70 cranked up.  The Devil that was then loosed already for a "short time" as John was writing Revelation (Rev. 12:12) was then operating deceptively at full speed and in great wrath against the "inhabitants of the earth" (land of Israel) AND against the inhabitants of the "sea" (those living in pagan Gentile nations).  This was indeed a "worldwide" problem.   

That "short time" the Devil was loosed would expire after he and his angels and every unclean spirit were imprisoned in Jerusalem, according to Rev. 18:2. 

As I said, this demonic oppression was a fulfillment of Christ's prediction of complete, seven-fold possession by unclean spirits coming on THAT "wicked generation" during its "last state".   They had been temporarily purged of unclean spirits earlier during Christ's earthly ministry, but these unclean spirits would all return, and with even greater numbers more wicked than the previous ones.  This was an experience that no nation ever had before then, and never will again during any future tribulation.

As for the worldwide effect of the "beginning of sorrows" as well as the Great Tribulation, John warned the Philadelphia church in Rev. 3:10 about "the hour of trial which is ABOUT TO COME UPON THE *WHOLE HABITABLE WORLD*..." soon after John wrote those words.   Which it did - just as Christ promised.

[robycop3]

Agreed, as I have said before.  The "beginning of sorrows" was going to include wars and rumors of wars, with kingdoms and nations rising against each other; famines, pestilences, and earthquakes in "DIVERS PLACES" throughout the world, even before the Great Tribulation in AD 66 - 70 cranked up.  The Devil that was then loosed already for a "short time" as John was writing Revelation (Rev. 12:12) was then operating deceptively at full speed and in great wrath against the "inhabitants of the earth" (land of Israel) AND against the inhabitants of the "sea" (those living in pagan Gentile nations).  This was indeed a "worldwide" problem.   

That "short time" the Devil was loosed would expire after he and his angels and every unclean spirit were imprisoned in Jerusalem, according to Rev. 18:2. 

As I said, this demonic oppression was a fulfillment of Christ's prediction of complete, seven-fold possession by unclean spirits coming on THAT "wicked generation" during its "last state".   They had been temporarily purged of unclean spirits earlier during Christ's earthly ministry, but these unclean spirits would all return, and with even greater numbers more wicked than the previous ones.  This was an experience that no nation ever had before then, and never will again during any future tribulation.

As for the worldwide effect of the "beginning of sorrows" as well as the Great Tribulation, John warned the Philadelphia church in Rev. 3:10 about "the hour of trial which is ABOUT TO COME UPON THE *WHOLE HABITABLE WORLD*..." soon after John wrote those words.   Which it did - just as Christ promised.

  The great trib has NOT yet come. Remember, it begins with the seals being opened in Rev. Nothing like those events has happened worldwide yet.

  I have repeatedly reminded the readers that the events of 66-70 AD fell on the JEWS ONLY, while the great trib will be worldwide, as Rev. 3:10 says. When the heavens(sky) departs as a scroll rolled together, it'll be WORLDWIDE, not just over Jerusalem. And Satan has NOT yet been banished from the earth. 

  None of those worldwide events can be found in history cuz they haven't yet happened.

[lea]

robycop3 still hasn't learned anything even though he asked questions.  Just keeps shouting Zionism into the Bible prophecy!

[robycop3]

robycop3 still hasn't learned anything even though he asked questions.  Just keeps shouting Zionism into the Bible prophecy!

  No, YOU haven't learned a bit of history. You haven't shown us one quark of **PROOF** that any of the eschatological events have already occurred.

[lea]

  No, YOU haven't learned a bit of history. You haven't shown us one quark of **PROOF** that any of the eschatological events have already occurred.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waf46eBajkw

[robycop3]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waf46eBajkw

  Watched your link. Not one thing about preterism.

But, given your abysmal knowledge of history, your attempts to re-write it, & your private interps of Scripture, perhaps YOU'D qualify for that vid if you were a celeb.

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Sigh...

Robycop3, why do you continue to quote Rev. 3:10 about the worldwide Great Tribulation, and then totally disregard the TIME John said it would take place?  What part of "*ABOUT TO COME* ON THE WHOLE HABITABLE WORLD" do you not understand?  The words "ABOUT TO COME" are meant to refer to the immediate future in JOHN'S days - not an indeterminate date somewhere 2,000 plus years beyond his generation.

You are continuing to place YOUR level of historical knowledge of what has happened in the past as the superior guide by which we should understand John.  I'm sorry, but you are not an inspired writer as John was.  I am obligated to believe him over your testimony.  If John said the Great Tribulation was "ABOUT TO COME on the whole habitable world" in HIS day, your interpretation will have to take a back seat to John's words.  No offense intended.

[robycop3]

  And no offense TAKEN !

  But, the prophesied events have simply NOT HAPPENED YET !  I have repeatedly asked for EVIDENCE from those who say they've already happened, and have received none. There's no getting past that FACT !

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Sir, I JUST DID give you evidence.  Direct from John the inspired Apostle and prophet in Rev 3:10 as to WHEN the Great Tribulation would take place in the "whole habitable world".  It was "ABOUT TO COME" in John's days: in the very near future to the time he was then writing Revelation.  Why is this simple sentence so difficult for you?

[robycop3]

Sir, I JUST DID give you evidence.  Direct from John the inspired Apostle and prophet in Rev 3:10 as to WHEN the Great Tribulation would take place in the "whole habitable world".  It was "ABOUT TO COME" in John's days: in the very near future to the time he was then writing Revelation.  Why is this simple sentence so difficult for you?

  It's not difficult. The TRUTH is, THOSE EVENTS HAVE SIMPLY NOT YET OCCURRED !

  We have gone over this before. That's why I asked for HISTORICAL PROOF (not tall tales, fables, apocryphal stories, or guesswork) that those events have occurred. One can simply look around & realize they haven't !
 
Now, you may repeat "soon, at hand", etc. all you want, but it won't change REALITY.  Remember, GOD is beyond time; He created it for us. A thousand years is as a day to Him, & vice versa. Time is only constant for us.

[lea]

  It's not difficult. The TRUTH is, THOSE EVENTS HAVE SIMPLY NOT YET OCCURRED !

  We have gone over this before. That's why I asked for HISTORICAL PROOF (not tall tales, fables, apocryphal stories, or guesswork) that those events have occurred. One can simply look around & realize they haven't !
 
Now, you may repeat "soon, at hand", etc. all you want, but it won't change REALITY.  Remember, GOD is beyond time; He created it for us. A thousand years is as a day to Him, & vice versa. Time is only constant for us.

Truth is, those events did already happen! 

You make Jesus out to be a false prophet just to satisfy your Zionist ego!

[robycop3]

Truth is, those events did already happen! 

You make Jesus out to be a false prophet just to satisfy your Zionist ego!

No, they HAVEN'T. You can't show us one quark of **PROOF** that they have.

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We get it.  Your beliefs are based on your Encyclopedias' limited contents, but you don't believe the Apostle John the prophet.  Not good.

[Rella]

Truth is, those events did already happen! 

You make Jesus out to be a false prophet just to satisfy your Zionist ego!

Give me biblical proof that what Jesus, Himself, said happened between
30 AD and 70 AD.

I am speaking of 1 verse in Luke 21.

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

When did this happen?

Please educate us all. With Biblical refernces.

[robycop3]

We get it.  Your beliefs are based on your Encyclopedias' limited contents, but you don't believe the Apostle John the prophet.  Not good.

  I believe REALITY. You've failed to prove these events have already happened. Given their magnitude & world-wideness, whey wouldn't've gone unnoticed !

[lea]

Give me biblical proof that what Jesus, Himself, said happened between
30 AD and 70 AD.

I am speaking of 1 verse in Luke 21.

8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

When did this happen?

Please educate us all. With Biblical refernces.

Well Mam,

You have the Bible references.
Luke 21:6"As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?" 8Jesus answered, "See to it that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, claiming, 'I am He,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them....

The Lord said to the apostles on the Mt. of Olives versions in 3 synoptic books.  Predicting what would occur and to make them aware , a warning, of the imposters of the faith and not to be deceived, but continue in your commission.

[Rella]

You have the Bible references.
Luke 21:6"As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one will be thrown down." 7"Teacher," they asked, "when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?" 8Jesus answered, "See to it that you are not deceived. For many will come in My name, claiming, 'I am He,' and, 'The time is near.' Do not follow them....

The Lord said to the apostles on the Mt. of Olives versions in 3 synoptic books.  Predicting what would occur and to make them aware , a warning, of the imposters of the faith and not to be deceived, but continue in your commission.

NO.  No one said "I am He"  In the 40 years between the Resurrection and 70AD.

That would have been soooo important and confirming that it would have been
recorded by someone.

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Hi Rella,

This warning of Christ's in Luke 21:8 is connected to the 70 weeks prophecy of Daniel.  Specifically the prediction in Dan. 9:25 of the year when "Messiah the Prince" would be manifested to Israel.  The scribes and Pharisees had studied this prophecy intently, and were expecting the Messiah to be revealed in AD 30.  Which is why they sent a delegation to John the Baptist, asking if he were the Messiah they were expecting (John 1:19-28).  To their mind, this Messiah was going to militarily deliver a kingdom that would free them from their submission to Rome and produce a golden age for the ethnic Jewish nation. 

Once the suffering-servant Christ Jesus had come and shown that He had no intention of fulfilling this type of military hero expectation of theirs, His own people "received Him not" and crucified him.  But rejecting Jesus as the Son of God come in the flesh left a void for the fulfillment of the Daniel 9:25 prophecy of the coming Messiah, which HAD to be fulfilled by SOMEBODY.  This substitute had to arrive as close to that AD 30 prophesied year as possible, so that their substituted "Messiah" would be believed by the people.  They could alter the revealing AD 30 date slightly, but not by much, or their deception would have been noticeable.

The pseudo-christs, (with the spirit of anti-christ that denied that the Messiah had already come in the flesh in the person of Jesus the Son of God), these false christs would come on the scene claiming "I am Christ" (or "I am the Messiah") "and The Time (kairos) is drawn near".  By mentioning this particular appointed season of time (kairos), this meant that these charlatans would be claiming that they were the fulfillment of that exact prophesied year Daniel 9:25 spoke of when "Messiah the Prince" was to be manifested to the people.

Some of these pseudo-christ substitutes had  already showed up in Paul's days, as mentioned in Acts 21:38 - namely "that Egyptian which before these days made an uproar, and leddest out into the wilderness four thousand men that were murderers".  This "wilderness" setting is exactly what Jesus warned his disciples to look for in Matthew 25:26, when false christs and false prophets would arise, claiming to be Christ the Messiah.  "If therefore they say to you, Behold, he is in the WILDERNESS, go not forth..."

These false christs claiming to be the Messiah were an increasing problem in the years leading up to the war with Rome.  Many Zealots competed with each other to become this prophesied "Messiah"; only they were basing this on their expectation of a military leader arising over Israel, which was never Christ's method of establishing His kingdom in this world.

[robycop3]

  The worst antichrist of all, not counting Satan, hasn't yet been made manifest.

[lea]

  The worst antichrist of all, not counting Satan, hasn't yet been made manifest.

Troll, why don't you say something optimistic? 

Too busy with your dispy video game?!

[robycop3]

Troll, why don't you say something optimistic? 

Too busy with your dispy video game?!

Haw ! Just like a KJVO, you have no proof for your own hooey, so you resort to ad-hominem.

[lea]

Haw ! Just like a KJVO, you have no proof for your own hooey, so you resort to ad-hominem.

You are stupid about your KJVO threads and stupid about Bible prophecy.

[robycop3]

You are stupid about your KJVO threads and stupid about Bible prophecy.

Typical clueless answer from one who can't defend her false doctrine.

[lea]

Typical clueless answer from one who can't defend her false doctrine.

Once again rbyc just salivating to have the last word. Grow up, get a job!

[robycop3]

Once again rbyc just salivating to have the last word. Grow up, get a job!

I have an $80K per annum job as a steelworker (retiring in the Fall) & GOD has the last word. My stuff is from His word; yours is from Preston, Gentry, etc. & other quacks.

[lea]

I have an $80K per annum job as a steelworker (retiring in the Fall) & GOD has the last word. My stuff is from His word; yours is from Preston, Gentry, etc. & other quacks.

I don't believe it.  I think you retired long ago and started posting all times of the day- your vindictive attitude online!

[robycop3]

  I don't really care WHAT you believe, as it's apparent you believe a lotta garbage & false doctrine. I post the TRUTH for the benefit of those who WANT the truth. It'll take the HOLY SPIRIT to teach some of you the truth, if He so chooses.

[lea]

  I don't really care WHAT you believe, as it's apparent you believe a lotta garbage & false doctrine. I post the TRUTH for the benefit of those who WANT the truth. It'll take the HOLY SPIRIT to teach some of you the truth, if He so chooses.

And you shouldn't care.

Now find some respect and stop your trolling against Preterism.

No one else ever came on this site with such vengeance and disrespect of another poster than you.

You don't have the decency to just disagree and move on. 

You're a Christian in name only. But do not act like one.

[robycop3]

And you shouldn't care.

Now find some respect and stop your trolling against Preterism.

No one else ever came on this site with such vengeance and disrespect of another poster than you.

You don't have the decency to just disagree and move on. 

You're a Christian in name only. But do not act like one.

  No, YOU don't act like one - making up or repeating false meanings for Scripture in favor of pret junk, believing a patently-false doctrine, refusing to accept the TRUTH from Scripture.

[lea]

  No, YOU don't act like one - making up or repeating false meanings for Scripture in favor of pret junk, believing a patently-false doctrine, refusing to accept the TRUTH from Scripture.

Your proof that there are brainwashed Christians, having no clue about today and tomorrow.