Who can explain 1 Cor 1:14-17 ?

[dan p]

  Hi to all and many see also one gospel , and many believe in Water Baptism ?

I Cor 1:14 , Paul says that he is glad that he  only    BAPTIZED   Crispus and Gaius  !!

Then in verse 17 , Paul says that Christ   ,  did not send him to BAPTIZE !!

Did the Holy Spirit mess up here ?

Was this Baptism by  Water ?

Or was was it by the Person of Holy Spirit ??

what say you  ?

dan p

[larry2]

Hi Dan, and I near hesitate to respond to this not knowing what you are looking for, and believing you already have an answer, but this is my slant on it.

It is certain Paul was not to baptize with the Holy Spirit, so that leaves water baptism.

What did water baptism do? Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
But in John 15:3 said,  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
 
Paul said in Ephesians 5:26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it (The Church) with the washing of water by the word,

On top of this, Paul was given a dispensation to fulfill, complete, or finish the gospel hid from ages and generations; 1 Corinthians 1:17  For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.

Colossians 1:25-27
25  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;
26  Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28  Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

My thoughts.

[dan p]

Hi Dan, and I near hesitate to respond to this not knowing what you are looking for, and believing you already have an answer, but this is my slant on it.

It is certain Paul was not to baptize with the Holy Spirit, so that leaves water baptism.

Hi , and I do feel that I have the right answer , but many just glide over verse 14 and 17  and will never see that Paul could wne will never ever Water Baptize and I have many proof texts that I can use .

But most believers resist Pauline dispensational truth , because they want to follow Jesus red letter edition of the gospels .

Sorry , but I have to challenge you one the above !!You say that it is certain Paul was not sent to  BAPTIZE   with  the Holy Spirit !!

In Acts 19:4-6  , and verse 6 , Paul laid his hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit .

Sorry , but Paul never Water Baptized , never  !!

Ask your Pastor and stump him , dan p

[larry2]

In Acts 19:4-6  , and verse 6 , Paul laid his hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit .

Sorry , but Paul never Water Baptized , never  !!

Ask your Pastor and stump him.

You think Paul never laid hands on others but Crispus and Gaius? And I'm not into your thing of attempting to stump anyone.

[dan p]

In Acts 19:4-6  , and verse 6 , Paul laid his hands on them and they received the Holy Spirit .

Sorry , but Paul never Water Baptized , never  !!

Ask your Pastor and stump him.

You think Paul never laid hands on others but Crispus and Gaius? And I'm not into your thing of attempting to stump anyone.

Hi , and  Acts is the hardest book in my opinion that any believer that reads that book , as you have a transitional book between Law and Grace .

To me , there are many doctrinal postions that are presented in Acts that I feel are never brought out nor with they be accepted .

Paul laid hands on many others in  1 Cor 1:16  and in Acts 19:7 there were 12 .

  Water baptism was given to Israel as John 1:31 reveals , to make Jesus known to Israel and no where does anyone or is there any verse where Baptism was given to Gentiles

Acts 21:21 reveals why Paul never again taught the Law of Moses and just all think why Paul  will only preach the Dispensation of the Grace of God , in Col 1:25 and 26 .

There is a shift in God dealing with the Nation of Israel and Now shifts fro Jews to Gentiles as Paul becomes the Apostle to the Gentiles .

Now there is  NO  difference between Jews and Gentiles and all who are saved become part of the Body of Christ , whether Jews or Gentiles .

That is a big difference from what Jesus said to the 12 , that they were not to go to the Gentiles or Samaritan but only to the House of Israel , in Matt 10:6 .

I hope that to ask your pastor did not offend you as I challenge my Pastor mo9st of the time , as not everyone will do it ,  dan p

[HRoberson]

 Hi to all and many see also one gospel , and many believe in Water Baptism ?

I Cor 1:14 , Paul says that he is glad that he  only    BAPTIZED   Crispus and Gaius  !!

Then in verse 17 , Paul says that Christ   ,  did not send him to BAPTIZE !!

Did the Holy Spirit mess up here ?

Was this Baptism by  Water ?

Or was was it by the Person of Holy Spirit ??

what say you  ?

dan p

...and the household of Stephanas....and I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.

Since the discussion is baptism, and the normative baptism in the early church was in fact water baptism, there is no reason to think this is any other type.

In context, Paul is addressing a party spirit in this church. It is in this context that he says he was not sent to baptize, and to a large degree, this is correct even in the context. Paul's job was to tell people that God loves them, that Messiah had come, and that God invites them into union with him. Baptism was a common reaction to this preaching but Paul didn't need to baptize everyone - there were others to do that. Paul did not consider baptism a "sacrament" that required any special person to administer.

However, in this place, Paul is attempting to separate himself from the cliques. In this light, he wipes his brow, says "man, I'm glad I can't be used in the way you guys are abusing these other guys!"

That's his purpose in this passage and whatever we come up with needs to fit that context.

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Incidentally, this passage is one reason I don't quite buy plenary verbal inspiration. Surely, the Spirit could remember who all Paul had baptized, no?

[dan p]

 Hi to all and many see also one gospel , and many believe in Water Baptism ?

I Cor 1:14 , Paul says that he is glad that he  only    BAPTIZED   Crispus and Gaius  !!

Then in verse 17 , Paul says that Christ   ,  did not send him to BAPTIZE !!

Did the Holy Spirit mess up here ?

Was this Baptism by  Water ?

Or was was it by the Person of Holy Spirit ??

what say you  ?

dan p

...and the household of Stephanas....and I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.

Since the discussion is baptism, and the normative baptism in the early church was in fact water baptism, there is no reason to think this is any other type.

In context, Paul is addressing a party spirit in this church. It is in this context that he says he was not sent to baptize, and to a large degree, this is correct even in the context. Paul's job was to tell people that God loves them, that Messiah had come, and that God invites them into union with him. Baptism was a common reaction to this preaching but Paul didn't need to baptize everyone - there were others to do that. Paul did not consider baptism a "sacrament" that required any special person to administer.

However, in this place, Paul is attempting to separate himself from the cliques. In this light, he wipes his brow, says "man, I'm glad I can't be used in the way you guys are abusing these other guys!"

That's his purpose in this passage and whatever we come up with needs to fit that context.

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Incidentally, this passage is one reason I don't quite buy plenary verbal inspiration. Surely, the Spirit could remember who all Paul had baptized, no?

Hi , and I say that what I written is presented correctly .  If you do not buy Plenary verbal inspiration , THAN   all  scripture is suspect , no ?     dan p

[HRoberson]

  Hi to all and many see also one gospel , and many believe in Water Baptism ?

I Cor 1:14 , Paul says that he is glad that he  only    BAPTIZED   Crispus and Gaius  !!

Then in verse 17 , Paul says that Christ   ,  did not send him to BAPTIZE !!

Did the Holy Spirit mess up here ?

Was this Baptism by  Water ?

Or was was it by the Person of Holy Spirit ??

what say you  ?

dan p

...and the household of Stephanas....and I don't remember if I baptized anyone else.

Since the discussion is baptism, and the normative baptism in the early church was in fact water baptism, there is no reason to think this is any other type.

In context, Paul is addressing a party spirit in this church. It is in this context that he says he was not sent to baptize, and to a large degree, this is correct even in the context. Paul's job was to tell people that God loves them, that Messiah had come, and that God invites them into union with him. Baptism was a common reaction to this preaching but Paul didn't need to baptize everyone - there were others to do that. Paul did not consider baptism a "sacrament" that required any special person to administer.

However, in this place, Paul is attempting to separate himself from the cliques. In this light, he wipes his brow, says "man, I'm glad I can't be used in the way you guys are abusing these other guys!"

That's his purpose in this passage and whatever we come up with needs to fit that context.

-------------------
Incidentally, this passage is one reason I don't quite buy plenary verbal inspiration. Surely, the Spirit could remember who all Paul had baptized, no?

Hi , and I say that what I written is presented correctly .  If you do not buy Plenary verbal inspiration , THAN   all  scripture is suspect , no ?     dan p

Well, no actually.

[Dr. Truth]

Hi Dan, and I near hesitate to respond to this not knowing what you are looking for, and believing you already have an answer, but this is my slant on it.

It is certain Paul was not to baptize with the Holy Spirit, so that leaves water baptism.

What did water baptism do? Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
 
But in John 15:3 said,  Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
 
Paul said in Ephesians 5:26  That he might sanctify and cleanse it (The Church) with the washing of water by the word,

On top of this, Paul was given a dispensation to fulfill, complete, or finish the gospel hid from ages and generations; 1 Corinthians 1:17  For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel.

Colossians 1:25-27
25  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfill the word of God;
26  Even the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
27  To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
28  Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus:

My thoughts.

[1]Paul mean water baptism in 1 Cor 1:14, If you read it in context, You'll see what Paul was saying. See v 12--17.
He didn't baptise many in water incase they followed him instead of Jesus.

[2]Paul did get people baptised in the Holy Ghost, Acts 19: 2--6.

[3] Peter wasn't saying water baptism saves in  1 Pet 3: 21, He said it is only a figure, A type,
The Greek says,
"Water baptism is the expession of salvation, Not the medium, The symbol, Not the cause".

[4]As you quoted, It is the word that cleanses us, And the blood and the Spirit.

[Johnb]

For anyone that noticed many of Dr. Truth's posts disappeared.  I deleted them by accident.  He did nothing wrong.  Again Dr. Truth I am sorry.  Just wanted other folks to know this was a mistake.

[Reflecter]

dan p,

Jesus, recoreded in John 4:1-2, baptized more than  John did,  "although Jesus Himself was not baptising, but His disciples were."  If Apostle Paul followed Jesus' expample others did the water baptizing, as one of the posted already indicated.

If I understood correctly someone posted that the Gentiles didn't get water baptized.  We need only look to the first Gentiles upon which the Holy Spirit came.  In Acts 10 when Apostle Peter realized the Holy Spirit came upon them he ordered them to be baptized in water.  Also the Ethiopian eunique was baptized in water by Phillup.

As far as the Holy Spirit not getting something right I suggest looking for where God tells us He sends a deluding infuence on those who want to believe an error.  Also somewhere in Timothy we are instructed that ALL Scripture is inspired by God and good  for correction.  I remember Jesus, in His prayer, remined the Father that His Word is truth and we should be sanctified in It.

[kjb1769]

Does water baptism place someone in the "body of Christ"?