Are SDA beliefs based on EGW?

[djconklin]

To answer that question one needs to look at each belief in detail and determine where it is coming from.

In the 1st chapter of the SDA Fundamental Beliefs on the Word of God, we find that it is based on 207 Bible verses, references to 12 Bible chapters and 8 books in the Bible. vs 4 to EGW (3 pages, and one paragraph), one to Siegfried Horn's book which dealt in part with the DSS and the carefulness with which the Bible was transmitted and one book about Bible interpretation.

[Hobie]

To answer that question one needs to look at each belief in detail and determine where it is coming from.

In the 1st chapter of the SDA Fundamental Beliefs on the Word of God, we find that it is based on 207 Bible verses, references to 12 Bible chapters and 8 books in the Bible. vs 4 to EGW (3 pages, and one paragraph), one to Siegfried Horn's book which dealt in part with the DSS and the carefulness with which the Bible was transmitted and one book about Bible interpretation.

I think you will find all of them are biblical.

[Shubee]

Are SDA beliefs based on EGW?

The Investigative Judgment as taught by Seventh-day Adventists is most certainly based on EGW.

[current occupant2]

Since according to SDA policy, Ellen has provided corrected interpretations of scripture to remove teachings that are derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience and modern culture, we can safely say that SDA beliefs are based on EGW..   

You can find the following statement at the botttom of the document at this link. 

https://www.adventistreview.org/%E2%80%8Bninth-business-meeting





STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
VOTED, To approve the Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White, which reads as follows:

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

[Hobie]

Since according to SDA policy, Ellen has provided corrected interpretations of scripture to remove teachings that are derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience and modern culture, we can safely say that SDA beliefs are based on EGW..   

You can find the following statement at the botttom of the document at this link. 

https://www.adventistreview.org/%E2%80%8Bninth-business-meeting





STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
VOTED, To approve the Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White, which reads as follows:

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

I find this rather amazing that Ellen White specifically told the church not to use her as their source of truth, but learn from the truths from the bible. Amen.

Ellen White herself said: "Let all prove their positions from the Scriptures and substantiate every point they claim from the revealed Word of God."397 To the delegates of the General Conference in 1901, she said, "Lay Sister White right to one side: lay her to one side. Don't you never [sic] quote my words again as long as you live, until you can obey the Bible. When you take the Bible and make that your food, and your meat, and your drink, and you make that the elements of your character, when you can do that you will know better how to receive some counsel from God. But here is the Word, the precious Word, exalted before you today. And don't you give a rap any more what 'Sister White Said' [sic]—'Sister White said this,' and 'Sister White said that,' and 'Sister White said the other thing'. But say, 'Thus saith the Lord God of Israel.'398 ..."

"...The final court of appeal must always be the Bible.
This was the strong conviction of her husband James White who wrote: "There is a class of persons who are determined to have it that the Review and its conductors make the views of Mrs. White a test of doctrine and Christian fellowship. . . . What has the Review to do with Mrs. White's views? The sentiments published in its columns are all drawn form the Holy Scriptures.
No writer of the Review has ever referred to them as authority on any point. . . . It's motto has been, 'The Bible, and the Bible alone, the only rule of faith and duty.'. . .206​
"Every Christian is therefore duty bound to take the Bible as the perfect rule of faith and duty. He should pray fervently to be aided by the Holy Spirit in searching the Scriptures for the whole truth, and for his whole duty. He is not at liberty to turn from them to learn his duty through any of the gifts. We say that the very moment he does, he places the gifts in a wrong place, and takes an extremely dangerous position."395
He could see that, very early in Adventism, some were inclined to give her writings an authority over and above the Scriptural authority for the work of a prophet. "They conclude that if it be true that God is reviving some of the gifts, 'for the comfort of his people, and correct those who err from Bible truth.' That all errors would at once be corrected by these gifts, and the church be saved the trouble of searching the Word for truth to expose error. . . . They would put the gifts where they do not belong. . . . The revival of any, or all of the gifts, will never supersede the necessity of searching the Word to learn the truth."396 ...."

"...the Bible is its own interpreter and every Christian is free to study the Bible (guided by the Holy Spirit) to find truth for themselves. The following points support James White in his stand:

1. Jesus left a promise to His Church. "All this I have spoken while still with you. But the Counsellor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you." ( John 14:25-26)

2. Recognising this point and practicing it is part of being Protestant. The Catholic Church tried to impose upon Christians the role of the pope as the infallible interpreter of Scripture. This concept was rejected by Protestants, because it violated the principle of sola Scriptures. Besides, once you have any external authority telling you what the Bible means, you make that authority more powerful than the Bible itself.

3.The Bible is a completed book. Hebrews 1:1 gives the reason for this, "In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son. . . . " The generation of Jesus' day were taught by Christ and individuals wrote down what they had learned. Jesus was the fullest, most complete revelation of God. Nothing that comes after Him will ever add to or eclipse the revelation of God in Him. All that comes after will be but a reflection of the light that shone through Him. Therefore the work of prophets is to call people back to study and obey that final, complete, revelation in Jesus. The work of prophets is to point out duties already revealed and neglected...."excerpted from MORE THAN A PROPHET ... by Graeme Bradford.

[current occupant2]

SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.

The Review and Herald, official paper of the Seventh-day Adventist Church has published the teaching that the Bible must be infallibly interpreted and that the SDA members must have that confidence in the writings and statements of Ellen White.

Coming from the official paper of the SDA, you know that the teachings are carefully screened and approved as actual teachings of the denomination. 

You can find the following statements on page 4, 5 and 6 of the document from the link below. 

"This illustrates the fact that most denominations, at least, have no satisfactory court of final appeal, that while the Bible is infallible and is the basis of all Christian faith, it needs to be infallibly interpreted to avoid confusion and division."  [SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.]


"In describing the last of God's people in the earth, Revelation 12: 17 says, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman [the church], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (compare Rev. 19:10).

When will the people of God cease trusting their own wisdom? When will they come to the place where they will cease to measure, construe, and interpret, by their own reason, what God says to them through His appointed channel?

When we come to the place where we place no trust in man nor in the wisdom of men, but unquestionably accept of and act upon what God says through this gift, then will the spirit of prophecy, as set before us in the Bible and as witnessed in the present manifestations of this gift be confirmed among us and become, in fact, the counselor, guide, and final court of appeal among God's people. Under the leadership of Christ, through this gift, the cause of God will move forward with mighty strides to final victory.".  [SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.]


http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19710603-V148-22.pdf

[Hobie]

SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.

The Review and Herald, official paper of the Seventh-day Adventist Church has published the teaching that the Bible must be infallibly interpreted and that the SDA members must have that confidence in the writings and statements of Ellen White.

Coming from the official paper of the SDA, you know that the teachings are carefully screened and approved as actual teachings of the denomination. 

You can find the following statements on page 4, 5 and 6 of the document from the link below. 

"This illustrates the fact that most denominations, at least, have no satisfactory court of final appeal, that while the Bible is infallible and is the basis of all Christian faith, it needs to be infallibly interpreted to avoid confusion and division."  [SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.]


"In describing the last of God's people in the earth, Revelation 12: 17 says, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman [the church], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (compare Rev. 19:10).

When will the people of God cease trusting their own wisdom? When will they come to the place where they will cease to measure, construe, and interpret, by their own reason, what God says to them through His appointed channel?

When we come to the place where we place no trust in man nor in the wisdom of men, but unquestionably accept of and act upon what God says through this gift, then will the spirit of prophecy, as set before us in the Bible and as witnessed in the present manifestations of this gift be confirmed among us and become, in fact, the counselor, guide, and final court of appeal among God's people. Under the leadership of Christ, through this gift, the cause of God will move forward with mighty strides to final victory.".  [SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.]


http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19710603-V148-22.pdf

As most churches...

[current occupant2]

As most churches...

So you believe that the SDA church is like "most churches"..

Actually, christian churches do not have a prophet like Ellen or Joseph who are the infallible interpreters of the Bible for their members.

That is what the above statements say that the SDA church claims for Ellen's authority. 

Thanks, Richard, for boosting this Posts - that DJ abandoned. 

[piecrust]

Yep

[Amo]

Since according to SDA policy, Ellen has provided corrected interpretations of scripture to remove teachings that are derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience and modern culture, we can safely say that SDA beliefs are based on EGW..   

You can find the following statement at the botttom of the document at this link. 

https://www.adventistreview.org/%E2%80%8Bninth-business-meeting





STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
VOTED, To approve the Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White, which reads as follows:

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

For now, many can safely say whatever they wish with impunity before humanity, but not before God. There is  good reason for some such as yourself to prefer to examine the words of a few SDA's from long ago, rather than the history of where actual doctrines came from. Such would reveal that much of what SDA's believe was around long before they ever existed among numerous bible believers of the past. This of course changes the nature of EGW's writings to those supporting and maintaining what other bible believers before her espoused, and not her invention of them. This is not acceptable of course to those agenda driven anti-EGW enthusiasts, who are as eaten with EGW as any other individual on the planet.

Mt 12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. 35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things. 36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment. 37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

Either EGW was a false prophet and all who have believed her testimony will be condemned for doing so, while those warning against her testimony will be rewarded, or she was the real deal and those who accused her of being a false prophet will be condemned, while those who believed her testimony in accordance with scripture and the Holy Spirit of God will be rewarded for doing so. So be it. Judge thy proclaimed servants Lord, Come Lord Jesus, and bring your rewards with you.

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever. 16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God, 17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned. 18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth. 19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

Rev 22:10 And he saith unto me, Seal not the sayings of the prophecy of this book: for the time is at hand. 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still. 12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be. 13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last. 14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. 15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. 16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. 17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely. 18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: 19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book. 20 He which testifieth these things saith, Surely I come quickly. Amen. Even so, come, Lord Jesus. 21 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all. Amen.

[Amo]

SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.

The Review and Herald, official paper of the Seventh-day Adventist Church has published the teaching that the Bible must be infallibly interpreted and that the SDA members must have that confidence in the writings and statements of Ellen White.

Coming from the official paper of the SDA, you know that the teachings are carefully screened and approved as actual teachings of the denomination. 

You can find the following statements on page 4, 5 and 6 of the document from the link below. 

"This illustrates the fact that most denominations, at least, have no satisfactory court of final appeal, that while the Bible is infallible and is the basis of all Christian faith, it needs to be infallibly interpreted to avoid confusion and division."  [SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.]


"In describing the last of God's people in the earth, Revelation 12: 17 says, "And the dragon was wroth with the woman [the church], and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" (compare Rev. 19:10).

When will the people of God cease trusting their own wisdom? When will they come to the place where they will cease to measure, construe, and interpret, by their own reason, what God says to them through His appointed channel?

When we come to the place where we place no trust in man nor in the wisdom of men, but unquestionably accept of and act upon what God says through this gift, then will the spirit of prophecy, as set before us in the Bible and as witnessed in the present manifestations of this gift be confirmed among us and become, in fact, the counselor, guide, and final court of appeal among God's people. Under the leadership of Christ, through this gift, the cause of God will move forward with mighty strides to final victory.".  [SDA R&H June 3, 1971, pg 4-6.]


http://documents.adventistarchives.org/Periodicals/RH/RH19710603-V148-22.pdf

One article from one SDA magazine a half century old, does not dictate what and why SDA's of today believe anything. A great many SDA's have disagreed about EGW's writings, concerning what was inspired and what was not. Many do not even accept her as a prophet, and remain within the denomination. My faith has never been based on articles in magazines which I rarely if ever read. Nor have I agreed with some of the few articles I have read. Even writing to said magazine publishers on occasion to contest the validity of some of their articles.

Just because you blindly follow an anti-EGW agenda, does not mean that all SDA's who accept her as a prophet have done so in like manner. Some people actually read, study, and compare EGW's writing and all others with scripture in order to make proper judgement concerning the same. So, were you actually reading R&H magazines from 1971, or have you taken this info from some anti-EGW internet site? How does one come upon a 48 year old article to support their albeit diversionary arguments? How about examining actual doctrine and proving it originated with EGW in line with the topic of this thread.

[current occupant2]

For now, many can safely say whatever they wish with impunity before humanity, but not before God. There is  good reason for some such as yourself to prefer to examine the words of a few SDA's from long ago, rather than the history of where actual doctrines came from. Such would reveal that much of what SDA's believe was around long before they ever existed among numerous bible believers of the past. This of course changes the nature of EGW's writings to those supporting and maintaining what other bible believers before her espoused, and not her invention of them. This is not acceptable of course to those agenda driven anti-EGW enthusiasts, who are as eaten with EGW as any other individual on the planet.


Either EGW was a false prophet and all who have believed her testimony will be condemned for doing so, while those warning against her testimony will be rewarded, or she was the real deal and those who accused her of being a false prophet will be condemned, while those who believed her testimony in accordance with scripture and the Holy Spirit of God will be rewarded for doing so. So be it. Judge thy proclaimed servants Lord, Come Lord Jesus, and bring your rewards with you.

This is current official SDA teaching and policy. 

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
VOTED, To approve the Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White, which reads as follows:

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary



Your stupid reply with irrelevant Bible texts just shows that you did not even read the statement of confidence that I posted so I reposted it for your reading pleasure.   

[current occupant2]

One article from one SDA magazine a half century old, does not dictate what and why SDA's of today believe anything. A great many SDA's have disagreed about EGW's writings, concerning what was inspired and what was not. Many do not even accept her as a prophet, and remain within the denomination. My faith has never been based on articles in magazines which I rarely if ever read. Nor have I agreed with some of the few articles I have read. Even writing to said magazine publishers on occasion to contest the validity of some of their articles.

Just because you blindly follow an anti-EGW agenda, does not mean that all SDA's who accept her as a prophet have done so in like manner. Some people actually read, study, and compare EGW's writing and all others with scripture in order to make proper judgement concerning the same. So, were you actually reading R&H magazines from 1971, or have you taken this info from some anti-EGW internet site? How does one come upon a 48 year old article to support their albeit diversionary arguments? How about examining actual doctrine and proving it originated with EGW in line with the topic of this thread.

The 2015 statement of confidence I am reposting for your benefit, simply emphasizes the words of the '48 year old article'. 

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
VOTED, To approve the Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White, which reads as follows:

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

The veil of Ellen is impairing your thinking. 

.

[Amo]

Your stupid reply with irrelevant Bible texts just shows that you did not even read the statement of confidence that I posted so I reposted it for your reading pleasure.

The bible verses shared are not irrelevant to anyone, including yourself. You and I and all who profess Christ are being judged by what we preach. False prophets and teachers will receive their just reward from Christ Himself when He returns to set all things straight. Tell Him then, that His words are or ever were, irrelevant to anyone at any time. Any SDA's that would or do accept EGW as an authentic prophetess of God simply because someone else said so, are just like countless others who won't take the time to know for themselves through personal prayer and study, what is truth. All such will be lost for thinking that the convictions of another can save them. No one is, has been, or will ever be saved by being a member of any denomination and or blindly submitting to supposed authorities of the same apart from personal prayer study and conviction in agreement with the same.

The majority of SDA doctrine existed long before us, and all of it is biblical. Any who claim, believe, and place their faith in EGW as the originator of truth in biblical doctrine, are and will be lost. Just as those who reject the truths she testified of in agreement with scripture, will be lost as well. Not because of rejecting her writings, but because of rejecting truth which comes from God alone. You yourself are without question a liar if you will maintain that SDA beliefs are all based upon the writings of EGW alone as their original source. This is a lie, and all who promote it will be condemned by God for doing so.

Here we all are, pick a doctrine and prove it originated with EGW. What is the problem? This is your claim, prove it.

[beam]

One article from one SDA magazine a half century old, does not dictate what and why SDA's of today believe anything. A great many SDA's have disagreed about EGW's writings, concerning what was inspired and what was not. Many do not even accept her as a prophet, and remain within the denomination. My faith has never been based on articles in magazines which I rarely if ever read. Nor have I agreed with some of the few articles I have read. Even writing to said magazine publishers on occasion to contest the validity of some of their articles.

Just because you blindly follow an anti-EGW agenda, does not mean that all SDA's who accept her as a prophet have done so in like manner. Some people actually read, study, and compare EGW's writing and all others with scripture in order to make proper judgement concerning the same. So, were you actually reading R&H magazines from 1971, or have you taken this info from some anti-EGW internet site? How does one come upon a 48 year old article to support their albeit diversionary arguments? How about examining actual doctrine and proving it originated with EGW in line with the topic of this thread.

Hi Amo, I am wondering just where you stand concerning the SDA church.  I know you do not have to reveal anything, but I am really confused.  You and I have been posting for quite some time and I know you have some disagreement with the church, but you have always defended the doctrines I have questioned.  One of the fundamental doctrines has to do directly with the writings of Ellen G. White the undisputed more that a prophet.#18  Another doctrine is that members believe in the Spiritual gifts and ministries, #17.  Do you adhere to those two doctrines of the SDA church?

Even though the doctrines of the church did not originate with Ellen White, she, through her "visions" and her "Angel" certainly added the stamp of approval.   Ellen and James White were the guiding forces behind the movement.  To try to deny her involvement is a fruitless task.

[Cathlodox]

All the distinctive SDA Doctrines were thought up by people other than Ellen White....
...What Ellen White did was CONFIRM the distinctive Doctrine by issuing a Divine fiat.
...Examples:

http://www.penofinspiration.com/

http://www.stepstolife.org/php/view_...rticle_id=1429

http://orangenjsda.org/from-the-pen-of-inspiration/


1MR 28
Before I stand on my feet, I have no thought of speaking as plainly as I do. But the Spirit of God rests upon me with power, and I CANNOT but speak the words GIVEN me. I dare not withhold one word of the testimony.... I speak the words GIVEN ME by a higher power than human power, and I CANNOT, if I would, recall [retract] one sentence


Ellen White
The Bible is written by inspired men, but it is NOT God's mode of thought and expression. It is that of humanity. God, as a writer, is NOT represented. Men will often say such an expression is not like God. But God has not put Himself in words, in logic, in rhetoric, on trial in the Bible. The writers of the Bible were God's penmen, NOT His pen." (Selected Messages, Vol. 1, Chapter One "The Inspiration of the Prophetic Writers[/b]")

Ellen claimed to be God's pen

Ellen White
After the passing of the time in 1844 we searched for the truth as for hidden treasure. I met with the brethren, and we studied and prayed earnestly... When they came to the point in their study where they said, "We can do nothing more," the Spirit of the Lord would come upon ME. I would be taken off in vision, and a clear explanation of the passages we had been studying would be given ME, with instruction as to how WE were to labor and teach effectively. Thus light was given that helped us to understand the scriptures in regard to Christ, his mission, and his priesthood. A line of truth extending from that time to the time when we shall enter the city of God, was made plain to ME, and I gave to others the instruction that the Lord had given ME[/b]." (Review and Herald, May 25, 1905)

R&H Jan 26,1905
The word given me is, 'You are faithfully to reprove those who would mar the faith of the people of God. Write out the things which I shall give you, that they may stand as a witness to the truth till the end of time.' I said, 'If any of the citizens of Battle Creek wish to know what Mrs. White believes and teaches, let them read her published books. My labors would be naught should I preach another gospel. That which I have written is what the Lord has bidden me write. I have not been instructed to change that which I have sent out

Testimonies, Vol. 8, p. 298
We MUST follow the directions given through the Spirit of Prophecy [Mrs. White's writings]. ... God has spoken to us through His Word. He has spoken to us through the Testimonies to the church and through the books that have helped to make plain our present duty and the position that we should now occupy[/b]

[Amo]

Hmmm. Another thread resurrected from eight years ago. I will respond as time allows.

[current occupant2]

Hmmm. Another thread resurrected from eight years ago. I will respond as time allows.

Actually, your friend Hobie resurrected this thread back in May 2019 and you have responded to several other posts IN THIS THREAD since that time. 

Your response quoted above is an obvious ploy to avoid answering Beam's question.

I'll Repost them for your convenience. 

>>>Hi Amo, I am wondering just where you stand concerning the SDA church.  I know you do not have to reveal anything, but I am really confused.  You and I have been posting for quite some time and I know you have some disagreement with the church, but you have always defended the doctrines I have questioned.  One of the fundamental doctrines has to do directly with the writings of Ellen G. White the undisputed more that a prophet.#18  Another doctrine is that members believe in the Spiritual gifts and ministries, #17.  Do you adhere to those two doctrines of the SDA church?

Even though the doctrines of the church did not originate with Ellen White, she, through her "visions" and her "Angel" certainly added the stamp of approval.   Ellen and James White were the guiding forces behind the movement.  To try to deny her involvement is a fruitless task.<<<<

[beam]

Actually, your friend Hobie resurrected the thread back in May 2019 and you have responded to several other posts since that time. 

Your response quoted above is an obvious ploy to avoid answering Beam's question.

I'll Repost them for your convenience. 

I am not holding my breath.  Amo has a poor track record for answering our questions.

[current occupant2]

I am not holding my breath.  Amo has a poor track record for answering our questions.

Poor AMO.

He really does need to get his biblical understanding under the control of the Holy Spirit.

[beam]

Where are you Amo?

[Amo]

I'm busy. There is a lot more to life than answering beam and CO2. Including addressing several other threads on these boards I am involved with. Every time I don't answer you two quickly enough or at all, doesn't mean as you childishly suggest, I am afraid or unable to do so. To the contrary, I have been addressing your false accusations for years now. As the age of this thread itself testifies. There were several before you making many of your same false accusations.

[current occupant2]

I'm busy. There is a lot more to life than answering beam and CO2. Including addressing several other threads on these boards I am involved with. Every time I don't answer you two quickly enough or at all, doesn't mean as you childishly suggest, I am afraid or unable to do so. To the contrary, I have been addressing your false accusations for years now. As the age of this thread itself testifies. There were several before you making many of your same false accusations.

In the time it took to write the above quoted response, you could have given an answer to your questions.

[Amo]

In the time it took to write the above quoted response, you could have given an answer to your questions.

I'll answer your questions if and when I decide to do so. There are a great many things which take precedence over answering them. Nevertheless, I have answered and addressed a great many of them in the past along very similar lines.

[current occupant2]

I'll answer your questions if and when I decide to do so. There are a great many things which take precedence over answering them. Nevertheless, I have answered and addressed a great many of them in the past along very similar lines.

But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:
1 Peter 3:15

[Amo]

The 2015 statement of confidence I am reposting for your benefit, simply emphasizes the words of the '48 year old article'. 

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
VOTED, To approve the Statement of Confidence in the Writings of Ellen G White, which reads as follows:

STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

The veil of Ellen is impairing your thinking. 

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Never seen, heard, or read anything you have quoted above. Nothing I have ever believed has therefore been based upon it. You're the one searching through what others have said in the past not me. My decisions about EGW and scripture are not based upon the testimony of others, but rather prayerful study of all in the light of scripture. Your incessant anti-EGW agenda is impairing your thinking. You are far more eaten up with EGW than I am. You bring her up continuously. I rarely bring her up at all, here or anywhere else.

[Amo]

Here is the question or point I have asked you to address, which you never have. Since we are gong to discuss people not addressing each others questions or points.

Here we all are, pick a doctrine and prove it originated with EGW. What is the problem? This is your claim, prove it.

[current occupant2]

Here we all are, pick a doctrine and prove it originated with EGW. What is the problem? This is your claim, prove it.

Well, first of all you will have to quote my words that claim any doctrine or a Particular doctrine originated with EGW


I did not start this thread.

It was your friend, Mr. Conklin, that set up the strawman by starting this thread.

None of the posts I have read by anyone besides Mr. Conklin have claimed that Ellen White originated doctrine.

And just because you have distanced yourself from the official seventh-day Adventist church  because they hurt your feelings, Doesn't mean that you have a different view of Ellen White's spiritual authority. 

[Amo]

Well, first of all you will have to quote my words that claim any doctrine or a Particular doctrine originated with EGW


I did not start this thread.

It was your friend, Mr. Conklin, that set up the strawman by starting this thread.

None of the posts I have read by anyone besides Mr. Conklin have claimed that Ellen White originated doctrine.

And just because you have distanced yourself from the official seventh-day Adventist church  because they hurt your feelings, Doesn't mean that you have a different view of Ellen White's spiritual authority.

More childish nonsense. I have distanced myself from the denomination because it continues to forsake the truth, and simply will not take action against those teaching and establishing error within it. Your childish speculations and or accusations are just that. I suggest you address the issues, and stop spouting out nonsense concerning things which you have no idea. Nevertheless, you are of course free to do as you wish.

[current occupant2]

More childish nonsense. I have distanced myself from the denomination because it continues to forsake the truth, and simply will not take action against those teaching and establishing error within it. Your childish speculations and or accusations are just that. I suggest you address the issues, and stop spouting out nonsense concerning things which you have no idea. Nevertheless, you are of course free to do as you wish.

How does your view of the spiritual authority Ellen White differ from that position stated by the Seventh-day Adventist church in the statement of confidence that I posted?


STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

[current occupant2]

More childish nonsense. I have distanced myself from the denomination because it continues to forsake the truth, and simply will not take action against those teaching and establishing error within it. Your childish speculations and or accusations are just that. I suggest you address the issues, and stop spouting out nonsense concerning things which you have no idea. Nevertheless, you are of course free to do as you wish.

Please provide a quote of a statement by me that says any doctrine was originated by Ellen White.


>>>>>>>>>>>
>>Well, first of all you will have to quote my words that claim any doctrine or a Particular doctrine originated with EGW


I did not start this thread.

It was your friend, Mr. Conklin, that set up the strawman by starting this thread.

None of the posts I have read by anyone besides Mr. Conklin have claimed that Ellen White originated doctrine.

[current occupant2]

More childish nonsense. I have distanced myself from the denomination because it continues to forsake the truth, and simply will not take action against those teaching and establishing error within it. Your childish speculations and or accusations are just that. I suggest you address the issues, and stop spouting out nonsense concerning things which you have no idea. Nevertheless, you are of course free to do as you wish.

The Seventh-day Adventist church claims that no one distances themselves from the adventist church because of doctrinal error.

The only reasons that I've seen put forward by the Seventh-day Adventist Church for people leaving the church is that

1. Other members have hurt  those who  leave.

2.   Those who leave are having marriage problems or other personal problems like losing their job.


.

[current occupant2]

How about it, AMO?

Please share honestly with us —-

How does your view of the spiritual authority Ellen White differ from that position stated by the Seventh-day Adventist church in the statement of confidence that I posted?


STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

[current occupant2]

How about it, HOBIE/RICHARD?

Please share honestly with us —-

How does your view of the spiritual authority Ellen White differ from that position stated by the Seventh-day Adventist church in the statement of confidence that I posted?


STATEMENT OF CONFIDENCE IN THE WRITINGS OF ELLEN G WHITE
As delegates to the 2015 General Conference Session in San Antonio, Texas, we express our deep gratitude to God for the continuing presence of the various spiritual gifts among His people (1 Cor 12:4-11; Eph 4:11-14), and particularly for the prophetic guidance we have received through the life and ministry of Ellen G White (1827-1915).

On the centennial of her death, we rejoice that her writings have been made available around the globe in many languages and in a variety of printed and electronic formats.

We reaffirm our conviction that her writings are divinely inspired, truly Christ-centered, and Bible-based. Rather than replacing the Bible, they uplift the normative character of Scripture and correct inaccurate interpretations of it derived from tradition, human reason, personal experience, and modern culture.

We commit ourselves to study the writings of Ellen G White prayerfully and with hearts willing to follow the counsels and instructions we find there. Whether individually, in the family, in small groups, in the classroom, or in the church, a combined study of the Bible and her writings provide a transforming and faith-uplifting experience.

We encourage the continued development of both worldwide and local strategies to foster the circulation of her writings inside and outside the church. The study of these writings is a powerful means to strengthen and prepare His people for the glorious appearing of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Ella S Simmons, Chair
John H Thomas, Secretary
Myron A Iseminger, Actions Editor
Tamara K Boward, Recording Secretary

[current occupant2]

You would think that AMO and Hobie/Richard would be eager to declare their position about the authority of Ellen White - after all, adherence to the interpretations of Ellen are integral to Seventh-day adventist beliefs.