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There can not be two trees in the MIDST of the garden because Eve said

Started by afaithfulone4u, Sat Jun 09, 2012 - 18:31:00

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afaithfulone4u

Quote from: Jaime on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:30:37
Gen 2:9 Out of the ground Yahweh God made every tree to grow that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the middle of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Satan tempted her to eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.
Then why did she only acknowledge ONE TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN SAYING of "THE TREE" in the midst of the garden if there where two? And if there were two, then why didn't she call the tree by name saying of the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the midst of the garden we are not to eat of?

DaveW

Probably the same reason she said not to touch it.  AFAWK, God did not tell her that directly.  Adam would have passed that info on.  

"Look, God said not to eat of THAT TREE right there in the middle.  Don't touch it, don't go near it."   Adam may have not even told her the name of it but since she knew (or was told by the snake) that it would make her wise, she had some kind of idea about it.  

And since they were not talking about the tree of Life, no need to mention it in the conversation at all.


I know you have some kind of spiritual point you are trying to make from this but the text just does not support what you are suggesting.

Lively Stone

Quote from: DaveW on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:41:30
Quote from: Lively Stone on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:39:48Genesis 2:9
And out of the ground the LORD God made every tree grow that is pleasant to the sight and good for food. The tree of life was also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of the knowledge of good and evil.

Both trees were in the center of the Garden.
That verse in the Hebrew only implies it, it does not say it specifically.

I'd take an implication from God over what I am seeing in this thread any day.

afaithfulone4u

Quote from: DaveW on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:38:52
There was no accident about it at all.  The temptation makes no sense otherwise. She ate of the forbidden tree and her eyes were opened.  She saw that the fruit was desirous to make one wise. That is the Tree of knowledge.  She KNEW it was the tree of Knowledge. And she identified it as being in the middle of the garden.

Where do you get that she knew ONLY of one tree in the middle? 

I get if from scripture:Gen 3:3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
KJV

Gen 2:16 And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:

17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.
KJV
Notice God does not ever say the tree of the knowledge of good and evil in is the MIDST OF THE garden?

The reason that the devil THE TEMPTOR, tempted Eve is because he knew she was confused about what GOD HAD SAID concerning the trees. So Eve was easily decieved by SECOND HAND Word  from Adam. Because God did not tell Eve, but He did tell Adam who should have made sure that his wife knew which tree it was.
The fact that Adam did not even recognize the fruit of the foul one when his wife brought some to her husband, shows that he too was deceived because he ate of it without even considering that it was of the forbidden tree so he was defiled by woman.

The same is happening today. Most believers would rather someone else hear from God and do their homework in studying the Word of truth. They want their minister, man of God to quit his job and prepare spiritual meals for them WITHOUT PAY!
And when you do that.... you reap what you sow because God is watching the treasury.
Would you trust another man to sign a contract for your future? That is what you do when you rely on man to relay God's messages to you because you are too busy feeding your belly's, enjoying your carnal life, spending all your treasures on them and neglecting your SPIRITUAL MAN TO BE WELL FED SO THAT HE CAN OVERCOME YOUR CARNAL INSTINCTS THAT ARE HOLDING YOU DOWN IN THE DUST AND HEAT OF THE EARTH!

afaithfulone4u

Quote from: DaveW on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 13:47:25
Probably the same reason she said not to touch it.  AFAWK, God did not tell her that directly.  Adam would have passed that info on.  

"Look, God said not to eat of THAT TREE right there in the middle.  Don't touch it, don't go near it."   Adam may have not even told her the name of it but since she knew (or was told by the snake) that it would make her wise, she had some kind of idea about it.  

And since they were not talking about the tree of Life, no need to mention it in the conversation at all.


I know you have some kind of spiritual point you are trying to make from this but the text just does not support what you are suggesting.

You are mistake DaveW, God never said DO NOT EAT OF THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE.  He called it by name and said not to eat of it. Why didn't Eve say BUT OF ONE OF THE TREES IN THE MIDST? WHY DID SHE REFER TO IT AS "THE TREE IN THE MIDST" She never mentioned the name of the tree at all!

Jaime

It wouldn't have been the tree of life, because they were obviously eating it to sustain their "eternal life" in the garden, UNTIL the fall when they were forbidden access to the garden and the tree of life, thus commencing to age unto death.

DaveW

Quote from: afaithfulone4uSo Eve was easily decieved by SECOND HAND Word  from Adam. Because God did not tell Eve, but He did tell Adam who should have made sure that his wife knew which tree it was.
The fact that Adam did not even recognize the fruit of the foul one when his wife brought some to her husband, shows that he too was deceived because he ate of it without even considering that it was of the forbidden tree so he was defiled by woman.

Wrong.  It was clear that Eve was tricked and decieved by a smooth talker.  There is no indication that Adam's eating was anything but gross intentional disobedience.


So here is a question for you.  

When it says that the serpent was more subtle or crafty, the Hebrew is arum.  When when they realized they were naked,  the Hebrew again is arum.

The exact same word.  

WHY?

DaveW

Quote from: afaithfulone4u on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 14:03:25
You are mistake DaveW, God never said DO NOT EAT OF THE TREE IN THE MIDDLE.  He called it by name and said not to eat of it. Why didn't Eve say BUT OF ONE OF THE TREES IN THE MIDST? WHY DID SHE REFER TO IT AS "THE TREE IN THE MIDST" She never mentioned the name of the tree at all!
Since God walked and talked with them every day, how do you know what He did or did not say?  We surely do not have transcripts of all those conversations.

afaithfulone4u

Quote from: DaveW on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 14:05:32
Quote from: afaithfulone4uSo Eve was easily decieved by SECOND HAND Word  from Adam. Because God did not tell Eve, but He did tell Adam who should have made sure that his wife knew which tree it was.
The fact that Adam did not even recognize the fruit of the foul one when his wife brought some to her husband, shows that he too was deceived because he ate of it without even considering that it was of the forbidden tree so he was defiled by woman.

Wrong.  It was clear that Eve was tricked and decieved by a smooth talker.  There is no indication that Adam's eating was anything but gross intentional disobedience.


So here is a question for you.  

When it says that the serpent was more subtle or crafty, the Hebrew is arum.  When when they realized they were naked,  the Hebrew again is arum.

The exact same word.  

WHY?

Gen 3:12 And the man said, The woman whom thou gavest to be with me, she gave me of the tree, and I did eat.
KJV

Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
KJV

1 Tim 2:14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
KJV

Naked means without covering. The Word of God is what we must be clothed in for without the Spirit's protection we are without God in this world. We are to PUT ON CHRIST daily, meaning to be clothed in the Word of God.

2 Cor 5:1 For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.

2 For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven:

3 If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked.KJV

WE ARE TO CLOTHE THE STRANGER IN THE WORD, HEAL THE STRANGER WITH THE WORD, SET THE IMPRISONED TO THE DEVIL'S TEMPTATION FREE WITH THE WORD.

Matt 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.

37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?

38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
KJV

Rev 16:15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.KJV

Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:

18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
KJV

Matt 22:11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:

12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.

THIS MAN HAD NO WORD IN HIM AND WAS SPEECHLESS. WE MUST FILL OUR CLAY VESSELS WITH THE LIVING WATER OF THE WORD SO THAT WE WILL BE FOUND MADE OF STONE, IMMOVABLE LIKE CHRIST OUR HEAD. FOR WE MUST BE CLEANSED WHITER THAN SNOW AS LIGHT SO BRIGHT THAT WE SHINE BEFORE MEN. TO KNOW THE WORD, RECEIVE THE WORD IS THE ONLY WAY TO GOD. YOU CAN NOT SEE HEAVEN ANY OTHER WAY AND WITHOUT HOLINESS YOU CAN NOT BE THE BRIDES PURE WHITE GOWN.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
KJV


Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
KJV

chosenone

Why does it matter if there were 2 in the centre, or one in the centre and one at the edge? They were both still in the garden wherever they were. Cant see why it is in anyway important myself.

afaithfulone4u

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 15:05:08
Why does it matter if there were 2 in the centre, or one in the centre and one at the edge? They were both still in the garden wherever they were. Cant see why it is in anyway important myself.

The Bible is full of parables and mysteries that look just like stories to the physical eyes, but there is the other side of the sWord which is the spiritual meaning. We must gain our spiritual eyes so that we are not persueded to eat  foul fruit like Adam was when Eve was deceived because her head(husband) Adam did not properly teach her what God had told him.
She thought that the forbidden tree was the tree in the midst of the garden. She knew nothing of a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The serpent knew that she was confused as to which tree they were not to eat of so he asked her IS THERE A TREE THAT GOD SAID NOT TO EAT OF???
SHE SAID THE TREE IN THE MIDST WE ARE NOT TO EAT OF Nor touch lest we die.
SHE WAS IN ERROR AND THE SERPENT KNEW IT AND LET HER EAT OF THE WRONG TREE by deception.
We know from scripture that GOD PUT THE TREE OF LIFE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, SO SHE DID NOT EAT OF THE TREE IN THE MIDST BECAUSE SHE UNDERSTOOD THAT TREE TO BE FORBIDDEN.
BUT OF THE FORBIDDEN TREE WHICH SHE THOUGHT WAS OK, FOR IT WAS NOT IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, SHE ATE.

Lively Stone

Quote from: afaithfulone4u on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 15:33:24
Quote from: chosenone on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 15:05:08
Why does it matter if there were 2 in the centre, or one in the centre and one at the edge? They were both still in the garden wherever they were. Cant see why it is in anyway important myself.

The Bible is full of parables and mysteries that look just like stories to the physical eyes, but there is the other side of the sWord which is the spiritual meaning. We must gain our spiritual eyes so that we are not persueded to eat  foul fruit like Adam was when Eve was deceived because her head(husband) Adam did not properly teach her what God had told him.
She thought that the forbidden tree was the tree in the midst of the garden. She knew nothing of a tree of the knowledge of good and evil. The serpent knew that she was confused as to which tree they were not to eat of so he asked her IS THERE A TREE THAT GOD SAID NOT TO EAT OF???
SHE SAID THE TREE IN THE MIDST WE ARE NOT TO EAT OF Nor touch lest we die.
SHE WAS IN ERROR AND THE SERPENT KNEW IT AND LET HER EAT OF THE WRONG TREE by deception.
We know from scripture that GOD PUT THE TREE OF LIFE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, SO SHE DID NOT EAT OF THE TREE IN THE MIDST BECAUSE SHE UNDERSTOOD THAT TREE TO BE FORBIDDEN.
BUT OF THE FORBIDDEN TREE WHICH SHE THOUGHT WAS OK, FOR IT WAS NOT IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN, SHE ATE.

This is all just your opinion, and you are just manipulating the plain word of God. Eve was enticed away by the enemy from what God had instructed. How did he do that? By manipulating the plain word of God.

FireSword

Ah just the thread. I just read this.

Revelation 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.


This is for Christians who already believe in Jesus Christ. The tree of life is a reward for those  who overcome.


afaithfulone4u

Quote from: FireSword on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 16:05:41
Ah just the thread. I just read this.

Revelation 2:7
Whoever has ears, let them hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who is victorious, I will give the right to eat from the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.


This is for Christians who already believe in Jesus Christ. The tree of life is a reward for those  who overcome.



The Word and Wisdom of God is the tree of life, the True Vine. And those who eat of it's fruit shall produce more trees like him as they sow the SEED of the Word into their own hearts and others as well. A tree is always known by it's fruit. Jesus is the Root of the olive tree(Israel) and the Father is the husbandman of the tree who prunes us to bring forth more GOOD FRUIT, meaning GODLINESS in us and to those who hear and receive the SEEDS of the tree's being made in the image of Christ that will be planted BY the living water himself(personally and close to him) as in  Jew and Gentile, male and female into the one new man will be those who have found the path to the heavenly kingdom that is within you now and in the new earth to come.
Who does the Bible say many times that Jesus is?  The answer is "THE WORD" WHOM BECAME FLESH. He is the Word of Life and the Spirit is the Spirit of life. When we abide in the Word and the Word abides in us, be shall live and not die for he is THE tree of life and his fruit produces godly children for the kingdom of God.

Prov 3:13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding.

14 For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold.

15 She is more precious than rubies: and all the things thou canst desire are not to be compared unto her.

16 Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour.

17 Her ways are ways of pleasantness, and all her paths are peace.

18 She is a tree of life to them that lay hold upon her: and happy is every one that retaineth her.
KJV

Prov 11:30 The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life; and he that winneth souls is wise.
KJV

Prov 15:3 The eyes of the LORD are in every place, beholding the evil and the good.

4 A wholesome tongue is a tree of life: but perverseness therein is a breach in the spirit.
KJV
Rev 2:17 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the hidden manna, and will give him a white stone, and in the stone a new name written, which no man knoweth saving he that receiveth it.
KJV

John 6:48 I am that bread of life.

49 Your fathers did eat manna in the wilderness, and are dead.

50 This is the bread which cometh down from heaven, that a man may eat thereof, and not die.

REMEMBER WHAT THE SERPENT SAID ABOUT THE TREE IN THE MIDST(TREE OF LIFE) THAT YOU SHALL SURELY NOT DIE IF YOU EAT OF IT?
51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
KJV

John 12:23 And Jesus answered them, saying, The hour is come, that the Son of man should be glorified.

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.KJV

1 John 1:1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;

2(For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us;)
KJV

Rom 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
KJV

Rev 11:11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them.
KJV

Why cannot all men accept the Word of God? Because they are not of His Spirit so they can not hear, nor understand. His Words are harsh on the carnal man. But those of His Spirit love to eat of him. For my flesh is meat indeed!!

FireSword

The spirit of life nourishes our spirit. The tree of life gives life to the flesh our bodies.





Clarity

Quote from: Alethos on Mon Jun 11, 2012 - 05:33:55
Quote from: afaithfulone4u on Sun Jun 10, 2012 - 09:07:13
Quote from: Alethos on Sun Jun 10, 2012 - 08:04:22
Quote from: afaithfulone4u on Sat Jun 09, 2012 - 18:31:00
of THE TREE in the midst of the garden we are forbidden to eat. So she recognized there was only one tree in the MIDST or center.

On a menorah Christ stands as the LIGHT in the MIDST/MIDDLE or fourth stem on a 7 stem menorah for the Word is the center of the all things, for all things were created by the Word and for the Word whom Father uses to create. For His Word is His right hand. He came at the 4,000 yr mark represented by the 4th stem with two thousand work days left on this earth, and one day of rest for the last thousand years making the 7th stem. He is the tree of life, being the Word of life, the Seed of God that we must eat so that the Word seeds into our hearts to produce offspring for God.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
So God put the TREE OF LIFE in the MIDST of the garden so Eve was was mistaken on which tree to eat from. But Satan did not lie to her when he said the tree of life in the midst will make you like gods, he told her the truth. But what he didn't do, is CORRECT HER, for he knew which one was the forbidden tree and he allowed her to eat from him for he is the tree that was in Eden that iniquity was found in because he betrayed God and allowed her to be decieved.
So she ate from the forbidden tree out of error for she knew no better, she had received her knowledge second hand from Adam and not directly from God.


Gen 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.
4 And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

5 For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
KJV

Ps 82:6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.KJV

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.KJV

John 10:32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I shewed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?

33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
34 Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

35 If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;
36 Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
KJV
The tree of life does not teach us to steal kill and destroy like the tree of learning how to look good outwardly while really being evil inwardly in our motives and thoughts.
The Word teaches us how to have the attributes of God of integrity, godly character to not only appear to be good outwardly, but to be a good tree inwardly so when eaten of the seeds planted in others will only produce more good fruit.


Ezek 31:8 The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty.

9 I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him.
10 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height;

11 I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness.KJV


"The tree of life also in the midst of the garden" — Adam's spiritual requirements were also provided for in the tree of life. From Rev. 2:7 it appears that the tree of life was a symbol of immortality, and this is supported by a description of its lifegiving qualities as described by the Elohim (Gen. 3:22). The tree of life is likened to the Divine Wisdom (Prov. 3:18), the fruit of the righteous (Prov. 11:30), a wholesome tongue (Prov. 15:4), and so forth. They all, being related to the Truth, lead to life eternal (1 Pet. 1:23-25).

The Tree of Life occupied a place in the "midst of the garden" with the "tree of knowledge of good and evil" (cp. Gen.3:3). Here were symbolically provided the two choices for mankind:

obedience or sin; life or death.

You still have the same choice today!

Read it again:Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life ALSO in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV
The tree of life which is God's choice for us and plainly center it for them was the ONLY TREE in the MIDST OF THE GARDEN. There is a comma after garden, it says GARDEN, AND THE TREE OF KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL, it means along with ther other trees in the garden, not also in the midst For if both trees where in the MIDST, she would not have said ONLY THE TREE IN THE MIDST OF THE GARDEN WE ARE NOT TO EAT OF.


But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die. (Genesis 3:3)

"But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden" So the record is clear there were two trees strategically placed in the midst of the garden (Also see Ch. 2:9),

And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and (or in similiar location) the tree of knowledge of good and evil. (Genesis 2:9)

We know the prohibition rested only on one of them. The commor is not significant when you align these passaages together.  

The reason for them being placed so carefully is to provide a clear test to the pair.  Eve's focus in Gen 3:3 is now only on the forbidden and not the tree of life.  

The record is again clear that Eve understood the location of both trees and Adam had instructed her in this regard though poorly.

You see Eve ought to have sought her husbands council rather than "going" alone as she did.  How many wives today act independently of their husbands (and vice versa)?

A question for you to consider maybe why did God so strategically place the trees in this way?

A.

Correct!

afaithfulone4u

Quote from: FireSword on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 17:58:11
The spirit of life nourishes our spirit. The tree of life gives life to the flesh our bodies.





So do you still plan to remain carnal of flesh and blood  in the new earth to come? Jesus took on his spiritual body after his resurrection. The Spirit of life is our mother who nourishes us and washes us  in the Word as new born babes as we are guided by the Spirit. The kingdom of heaven is within YOU. Do you have the indwelling Spirit who teaches us? You will notice that the saved nations who believed in Jesus but were not worthy to inherit the bride, they eat of the leaves of the tree of life for their health, but those who inherit the bride heavenly Jerusalem will feed upon the tree of life's FRUIT, meaning good things.
Who is the healer of a BELIEVER according to the Bible? Isn't the Christ called the healer? Isn't he also called THE WORD? The Word of Life? Doesn't God say that if you obey His commandments that He will not put any of the diseases on you that He put upon the Egyptians(ungodly nations)?
The flaming sWord that the cherubs guarded the tree of life with is flesh burning to the carnal man. Only the Holy Spirit can protect us as we learn and feed on the Word. But they died to the Spirit that day as God said they would after they ate the fruit of the wrong ones words.

Prov 4:20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.

21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.

23 Keep thy heart with all diligence; for out of it are the issues of life.
KJV
Do you know that Adam and Eve did not have carnal flesh before they died to the Spirit and lost their holiness for eating of the forbidden tree? They were found naked, without covering of the Word  so God gave them animal skin (carnal nature) and from then on Eve bore the children naturally in blood and water..... in pain for her part of disobedience. Carnal man loves to shed blood.
They had no children before the fall. We are supposed to be shedding our carnal man in Christ to reveal our spiritual man. As we allow the Word to cut & burn away our fleshly desires as LIVING SACRIFICES. God has told us the END..... FROM THE BEGINNING because we are going FULL CIRCLE.
Just as the  first Adam who was created alone as Eve was still in him who was CREATED, not born, in the image of God so are we being created in the image of Christ the last Adam as the one new man Rev 12:5 and we will be caught up in the twinkling of an eye exchanging this earthly tent/body for our heavenly tabernacle spiritual body. Flesh and blood(carnal man) can not inherit the kingdom of God.
After Jesus' resurrection he was said to be flesh & bone. No longer did he have blood.
Luke 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.

38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.KJV

1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
KJV
1 Thess 4:15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.
KJV

THE BODY OF CHRIST WILL RULE AND REIGN WITH CHRIST WITH A ROD OF IRON FOR 1,000 YRS. AS KINGS, PRIESTS AND JUDGES. WHEN THE SEVENTH TRUMP SOUNDS, THE MYSTERY OF GOD WILL BE "FINISHED"
Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.KJV

Rev 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of his Christ; and he shall reign for ever and ever.KJV
AND HERE IS THE MYSTERY, THE BIRTH OF THE SONS OF GOD IN THE IMAGE OF CHRIST AS HE IS THE HEAD OF THE MAN CHILD(REN) OF GOD. A HOLY NATION BORN IN ONE DAY AND THE WOMB OF HEAVENLY JERUSALEM WILL BE SHUT!

Rev 12:5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
KJV

afaithfulone4u

Here are some more sciptures that show Jesus being the one in the MIDST. Why is he in the midst? Because he is our interssor, the mercy seat on the ark of the covenant. He is the middle candle on the Menorah for he is the LIGHT OF THE WORLD that shines in the middle of the darkness.
Do you know why Jesus' garment was seamless when they stripped him on the cross and cast lots for it? Because there is no beginning or end to the Word of God, for he is the same yesterday, today and FOREVER......world without end!
Love, honor and obey the Word and live a long and healthy life.

Gen 2:9 And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.
KJV

John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
KJV

John 19:18 Where they crucified him, and two other with him, on either side one, and Jesus in the midst.
KJV

Heb 2:12 Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.
KJV

Rev 2:1 Unto the angel of the church of Ephesus write; These things saith he that holdeth the seven stars in his right hand, who walketh in the midst of the seven golden candlesticks;
KJV

Rev 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God.KJV

Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.
KJV

Rev 7:17 For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.
KJV


Rev 1:13 And in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle.
KJV

John 20:26 And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
KJV

Matt 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.
KJV

Lively Stone

afaithfulone4u ~

All you've done is a word search for "midst"! You cannot correlate all mentions of the word. That is a poor analysis technique.

FireSword

Quote from: Lively Stone on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 22:55:55
afaithfulone4u ~

All you've done is a word search for "midst"! You cannot correlate all mentions of the word. That is a poor analysis technique.

I agree.


4u

You posted this scripture

Prov 4:20 My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings.

21 Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart.

22 For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh


The word does give life, but yet we die.

Adam and Eve walked with God in the garden, yet God deliberately planted a tree of life in the midst of the garden. If they already walked and talked with God, why do they need the tree of life?


You posted this scripture

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.KJV

1 Cor 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,


Jesus had flesh....


But yet the other verse says flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God. This must mean that Jesus cannot enter the kingdom of God.

....unless there is another explanation, maybe 1 cor is talking of the sin nature in flesh, as opposed to bodies, which are sanctified and are bought with a price, soul and body.

Clarity

I liked this question "have you considered why God so strategically place the trees in this way? "

In the midst of the Garden?

Beta

Quote from: FireSword on Sat Jun 30, 2012 - 17:49:12
Quote from: Beta on Tue Jun 26, 2012 - 02:45:44
Quote from: FireSword on Mon Jun 25, 2012 - 16:03:17
Adam and Eve tried to eat of the tree, does God just stand there like a lemon?


Are you saying they ' tried ' to eat of the tree of LIFE ?
Have you a scripture for this ?

God removed them BEFORE they had a chance to do so !...IN CASE they would....not that they were 'trying to do so Gen.3v22.

God walked in the garden and did the speaking, so how could he be the tree at teh same time?

Another thing is that God prevents them from eating the tree of life, lest they live forever,

So God denies them Christ?

Yet later on men began to call upon the name of  the lord and Enoch pleased God.





friend , it is not me who says God is the tree....but spiritually the tree of Life does represent God.

When God denied them the tree of Life Adam and Eve had already sinned and taken on satans tendencies. How could God then give them eternal life ( as potential devils) ?

I'm not sure how people could later call on God. Would have to look into that.

Beta

Quote from: chosenone on Mon Jul 02, 2012 - 15:05:08
Why does it matter if there were 2 in the centre, or one in the centre and one at the edge? They were both still in the garden wherever they were. Cant see why it is in anyway important myself.

Just shows how little you value the Word of God !
Why would it be in scripture if it was unimportant ?

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