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The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Started by howard, Sat Jun 30, 2012 - 07:03:19

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MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:58:58
The names of God in the bible are

Melchizedek
Jah
Jehovah
Jesus
Israel

Which one is the Father?
Which one is the Son?
Which in is the HS?



Why are you all twisted up over this?

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?


howard

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:55:09
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:49:09
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:38:13
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:32:45
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:26:42
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:24:18
Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:33:06
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:06:11
I know the HS is not God because of his job description  and not one time in the bible is the HS called God.

I even went to acts 5 to try and prove it and I failed there.  
Go ahead and Go there, pay attention to the conversation
And read these verses once done

It took awhile for my spiritual eyes to open


Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 (KJV)
When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

[5] Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. [6] Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: w

herefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?


Look what the Lord say don't do and if you do  vow and don't keep it
Who heard the vow? Who did you lie to

Blasphemy!  ::noworries::


That is to cause offence to God, and blasphemy against the holy spirit is spoken in scripture, therefore Holy spirit is part of the Godhead, other wise how can there be blasphemy.


The name is ambiguous due to the holy spirit being hidden in the inner sanctuary, the holy of holies.

Since the term spirit and holy spirit can be used to define other spirits i.e Pauls spirit is holy, but yet Jesus makes it clear that Holy Spirit is another, a comforter.




Jesus did not call the comforter God. That's not written



The Comforter is the Spirit's role as well as a specific name. Each person of the trinity has specific characteristics.

God The Father has a name
God the Son has a name

What is the name of the comforter?

Holy Spirit is His name.

Holy spirit is a title it is not a name.

Father is a title
Son is a title

Jesus is a name


Just beyond silly now... ::frown::
God is a name
Jesus is a name (because He came to earth and earthlings CALL each other by name  ::shrug::)
Holy Spirit is a name.


Exodus 20:3 (KJV)
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Who are these gods?



MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:02:33
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:55:09
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:49:09
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:38:13
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:32:45
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:26:42
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:24:18
Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:33:06
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:06:11
I know the HS is not God because of his job description  and not one time in the bible is the HS called God.

I even went to acts 5 to try and prove it and I failed there.  
Go ahead and Go there, pay attention to the conversation
And read these verses once done

It took awhile for my spiritual eyes to open


Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 (KJV)
When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

[5] Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. [6] Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: w

herefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?


Look what the Lord say don't do and if you do  vow and don't keep it
Who heard the vow? Who did you lie to

Blasphemy!  ::noworries::


That is to cause offence to God, and blasphemy against the holy spirit is spoken in scripture, therefore Holy spirit is part of the Godhead, other wise how can there be blasphemy.


The name is ambiguous due to the holy spirit being hidden in the inner sanctuary, the holy of holies.

Since the term spirit and holy spirit can be used to define other spirits i.e Pauls spirit is holy, but yet Jesus makes it clear that Holy Spirit is another, a comforter.




Jesus did not call the comforter God. That's not written



The Comforter is the Spirit's role as well as a specific name. Each person of the trinity has specific characteristics.

God The Father has a name
God the Son has a name

What is the name of the comforter?

Holy Spirit is His name.

Holy spirit is a title it is not a name.

Father is a title
Son is a title

Jesus is a name


Just beyond silly now... ::frown::
God is a name
Jesus is a name (because He came to earth and earthlings CALL each other by name  ::shrug::)
Holy Spirit is a name.


Exodus 20:3 (KJV)
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Who are these gods?
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are THE GOD.
Three distinct personalities within ONE sovereign God.


howard

So the name of your God is what?

God?

Philippians 2:9-10 (KJV)
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

If God is a name then these verses don't matter
If we follow your philosophy

The name of God or the name of Jesus


howard

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:05:32
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:02:33
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:55:09
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:49:09
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:38:13
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:32:45
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:26:42
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:24:18
Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:33:06
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:06:11
I know the HS is not God because of his job description  and not one time in the bible is the HS called God.

I even went to acts 5 to try and prove it and I failed there. 
Go ahead and Go there, pay attention to the conversation
And read these verses once done

It took awhile for my spiritual eyes to open


Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 (KJV)
When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

[5] Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. [6] Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: w

herefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?


Look what the Lord say don't do and if you do  vow and don't keep it
Who heard the vow? Who did you lie to

Blasphemy!  ::noworries::


That is to cause offence to God, and blasphemy against the holy spirit is spoken in scripture, therefore Holy spirit is part of the Godhead, other wise how can there be blasphemy.


The name is ambiguous due to the holy spirit being hidden in the inner sanctuary, the holy of holies.

Since the term spirit and holy spirit can be used to define other spirits i.e Pauls spirit is holy, but yet Jesus makes it clear that Holy Spirit is another, a comforter.




Jesus did not call the comforter God. That's not written



The Comforter is the Spirit's role as well as a specific name. Each person of the trinity has specific characteristics.

God The Father has a name
God the Son has a name

What is the name of the comforter?

Holy Spirit is His name.

Holy spirit is a title it is not a name.

Father is a title
Son is a title

Jesus is a name


Just beyond silly now... ::frown::
God is a name
Jesus is a name (because He came to earth and earthlings CALL each other by name  ::shrug::)
Holy Spirit is a name.


Exodus 20:3 (KJV)
Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

Who are these gods?
God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit are THE GOD.
Three distinct personalities within ONE sovereign God.



Where is this written or is this your church doctrine?

MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:07:28
So the name of your God is what?

God?

Philippians 2:9-10 (KJV)
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

If God is a name then these verses don't matter
If we follow your philosophy

The name of God or the name of Jesus



oh my gosh... ::faint::

So, what are you all twisted up about?

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?


howard

If God is a name then what is your God's name?

God

Maybe that God you call on when you say God no is

Allah
Buddha
Krishna
Zeus
Odin

God is a title

God has a name

The God of the Christians has a name and his name is not God.


MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:15:24
If God is a name then what is your God's name?

God

Maybe that God you call on when you say God no is

Allah
Buddha
Krishna
Zeus
Odin

God is a title

God has a name

The God of the Christians has a name and his name is not God.



::frown:: You are just being antagonistic now. 

Please answer the question I asked you.

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?

howard

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:09:46
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:07:28
So the name of your God is what?

God?

Philippians 2:9-10 (KJV)
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

If God is a name then these verses don't matter
If we follow your philosophy

The name of God or the name of Jesus



oh my gosh... ::faint::

So, what are you all twisted up about?

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?



He is the comforter, the spirit of truth.
He is not God you can't rea that.


MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:18:17
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:09:46
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:07:28
So the name of your God is what?

God?

Philippians 2:9-10 (KJV)
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

If God is a name then these verses don't matter
If we follow your philosophy

The name of God or the name of Jesus



oh my gosh... ::faint::

So, what are you all twisted up about?

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?



He is the comforter, the spirit of truth.
He is not God you can't rea that.



So, just an agel then?

and yes. I can.  ::smile::

howard

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:17:33
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:15:24
If God is a name then what is your God's name?

God

Maybe that God you call on when you say God no is

Allah
Buddha
Krishna
Zeus
Odin

God is a title

God has a name

The God of the Christians has a name and his name is not God.



::frown:: You are just being antagonistic now.  

Please answer the question I asked you.

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?

No I'm not.
I'm not doing anything but providing verses and replying to comments

I know this is a controversial topic so I have to be prepared for people like you to get emotional

When I get to that part you won't like who the bible say he is

Thanks for responding and thanks for not calling me names because I don't agree.

Thanks to you all, I have to charge my phone.

MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:17:33
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:15:24
If God is a name then what is your God's name?

God

Maybe that God you call on when you say God no is

Allah
Buddha
Krishna
Zeus
Odin

God is a title

God has a name

The God of the Christians has a name and his name is not God.



::frown:: You are just being antagonistic now.  

Please answer the question I asked you.

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?

No I'm not.

Yes. You are, actually.

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
I'm not doing anything but providing verses and replying to comments

Oh, now let's be honest, Howard.  That is not all you are doing.  You are also saying things like "What's YOUR God's name?" as if I am following a false god and then go on to try and bait me with listing of names of known false gods. Its rude, its arrogant and its provoking...

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
I know this is a controversial topic so I have to be prepared for people like you to get emotional

??? Uuummm....I'm not emotional.  And what's with the comment "people like you"? Not a real humble way of speaking.  ::shrug:: ::frown::

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
When I get to that part you won't like who the bible say he is

Ok? I already know what the bible says He is...so, I'm guess its probably your opinion I will disagree with.  ::shrug::

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
Thanks for responding and thanks for not calling me names because I don't agree.

No problem.  ::smile::

howard

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:19:23
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:18:17
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:09:46
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:07:28
So the name of your God is what?

God?

Philippians 2:9-10 (KJV)
Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

[10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

If God is a name then these verses don't matter
If we follow your philosophy

The name of God or the name of Jesus



oh my gosh... ::faint::

So, what are you all twisted up about?

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?



He is the comforter, the spirit of truth.
He is not God you can't rea that.



So, just an agel then?

and yes. I can.  ::smile::

Read to me God the Holy Ghost?

Read to me where the HS is called God?

howard

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:30:58
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:17:33
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:15:24
If God is a name then what is your God's name?

God

Maybe that God you call on when you say God no is

Allah
Buddha
Krishna
Zeus
Odin

God is a title

God has a name

The God of the Christians has a name and his name is not God.



::frown:: You are just being antagonistic now. 

Please answer the question I asked you.

Who do YOU say the Holy Spirit is?

No I'm not.

Yes. You are, actually.

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
I'm not doing anything but providing verses and replying to comments

Oh, now let's be honest, Howard.  That is not all you are doing.  You are also saying things like "What's YOUR God's name?" as if I am following a false god and then go on to try and bait me with listing of names of known false gods. Its rude, its arrogant and its provoking...

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
I know this is a controversial topic so I have to be prepared for people like you to get emotional

??? Uuummm....I'm not emotional.  And what's with the comment "people like you"? Not a real humble way of speaking.  ::shrug:: ::frown::

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
When I get to that part you won't like who the bible say he is

Ok? I already know what the bible says He is...so, I'm guess its probably your opinion I will disagree with.  ::shrug::

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:25:11
Thanks for responding and thanks for not calling me names because I don't agree.

No problem.  ::smile::

People are saying God is a name. I ask a question what is your God name?

Who am I  antagonizing?
Only you said this so am I antagonizing you

This is a emotion.

I want this to be a friendly discussion with a open mind.


MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:36:02
I want this to be a friendly discussion with a open mind.

then quit trying to bait it into something else by bringing up the names of known false gods as IF they are who I am talking about.  ::smile::

Pointing out to you that you are trying to be antagonistic is NOT being emotional. Its calling it like it is.

MeMyself

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:31:58
Read to me God the Holy Ghost?

Read to me where the HS is called God?


So, THIS is where we are going? THIS is your argument?

"If it doesn't say it EXACTLY like I want it to, its not true!"

::frown::

howard

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:43:07
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 21:31:58
Read to me God the Holy Ghost?

Read to me where the HS is called God?


So, THIS is where we are going? THIS is your argument?

"If it doesn't say it EXACTLY like I want it to, its not true!"

::frown::

I know it don't say it that way, we all know this,put where you think is says or means the HS is God.

Is there anything from the lesson I put that you agree or disagree on?

Other than the 2 in the God Family.



howard

  ::smile:: wow. We got off topic.

The names of God in the Kjv

Melchizedek
Jah
Jehovah
Israel
Jesus

Which one is God the HS?

howard

Difficulties soon emerged in formulating and understanding this threefold "economy." Divergent views led early to numerous Trinitarian controversies such as those over subordinationism (the teaching that the Son is subordinate to the Father and the Holy Spirit to both; see Arianism) and modalism (the view that the three modes are transitory; see Monarchianism and Sabellianism).

The Councils of Nicaea (325) and Constantinople (381) outlined the dogma of the Trinity in express rejection of these teachings.


The Nicene, or Niceno-Constantinopolitan, creed has defined through the ages, for both Catholic (Roman and Orthodox) and Reformation (Lutheran, Reformed, and Anglican) churches, the basic doctrine of the Trinity. Catholic and Protestant theology has sought in various ways to make the doctrine stated at Nicaea comprehensible.

Saint Augustine's lucid analogies of the divine Trinity in our experience of ourselves as memory, understanding, and will, and in our experience of our own existence as characterized by being, truth, and love, have been the point of departure for most subsequent study. In the religious thought of the Enlightenment (17th and 18th centuries), there was a strong reaction against Trinitarianism as an "orthodox" mystery without basis in either experience or reason this was the view of Unitarianism and deism and of much 19th-century liberal theology.

The great figures of 20th-century theology Karl Barth, Paul Tillich, and, most recently, Karl Rahner despite their diversity of outlook, have again found the Trinity a central, in fact an unavoidable, structure for expressing the Christian understanding of God. (End of quote)

fish153

"The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days..."  The Spirit can speak. He can also be grieved, insulted, quenched, blasphemed, etc.  Those things can only happen to a Person.  God is a Trinity--One God in three persons---and the Holy Spirit is part of that Trinity.  That is Christian doctrine---and it is true doctrine.

Lively Stone

Quote from: MeMyself on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:41:17
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:38:13
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:32:45
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:26:42
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:24:18
Quote from: FireSword on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:33:06
Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 19:06:11
I know the HS is not God because of his job description  and not one time in the bible is the HS called God.

I even went to acts 5 to try and prove it and I failed there. 
Go ahead and Go there, pay attention to the conversation
And read these verses once done

It took awhile for my spiritual eyes to open


Ecclesiastes 5:4-6 (KJV)
When thou vowest a vow unto God, defer not to pay it; for he hath no pleasure in fools: pay that which thou hast vowed.

[5] Better is it that thou shouldest not vow, than that thou shouldest vow and not pay. [6] Suffer not thy mouth to cause thy flesh to sin; neither say thou before the angel, that it was an error: wherefore should God be angry at thy voice, and destroy the work of thine hands?


Look what the Lord say don't do and if you do  vow and don't keep it
Who heard the vow? Who did you lie to

Blasphemy!  ::noworries::


That is to cause offence to God, and blasphemy against the holy spirit is spoken in scripture, therefore Holy spirit is part of the Godhead, other wise how can there be blasphemy.


The name is ambiguous due to the holy spirit being hidden in the inner sanctuary, the holy of holies.

Since the term spirit and holy spirit can be used to define other spirits i.e Pauls spirit is holy, but yet Jesus makes it clear that Holy Spirit is another, a comforter.




Jesus did not call the comforter God. That's not written



The Comforter is the Spirit's role as well as a specific name. Each person of the trinity has specific characteristics.

God The Father has a name
God the Son has a name

What is the name of the comforter?

Holy Spirit is His name.

Yup. ::nodding::  ::shrug:: Why is this being made SOOO hard?  Baffles me.  ::juggle::

The reason for that is unbelief.

Lively Stone

Quote from: howard on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:44:49
Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 20:35:43
Howard, you are just blowing hot air. The Lord in His word gives Holy Spirit personhood. We don't call Him 'He'---God does. so, either get with the program or stay out of touch. It's your choice. I should think that if you knew the Lord, you would want everything He died to give you. But as you reject His Spirit, you are obviously grieving Him adn He cannot get through to you as long as you have this stiff neck about Him.

If you are refusing to hear Holy Spirit, who is supposed to be indwelling you. then you aren't going to hear us. So, your arguments are just wind.

If you don't know you don't know. I put the words of God and yet you attack me

Answer the verse

Answer what verse? Is there a question? No one is attacking you. Your belief about God is incorrect, and it is being brought to your attention.

Lively Stone

THE HOLY SPIRIT

Attributes: Who Is He?


He possesses omniscience (1 Cor. 2:11,12)
He possess omnipresence (Ps. 139:7)
He possesses omnipotence (Job 33:4)

He is Truth (1 John 5:6)

He gives life (Luke 11:13)

He possesses creative wisdom (Is. 40:13)
He possesses all the attributes of deity: He is God (Acts 5:3,4)

Record: What He Has Done
In the Old Testament

He was active at creation (Gen. 1:2)
He was the bestower of supernatural giftedness (Gen. 31:38)
He was the giver of creativity (Ex. 31:2-5)
He was the source of power (Judg. 3:9, 10)
He inspired prophecy (1 Sam. 19:20, 23)
He was the mediator of God's message (Mic. 3:8)

In the New Testament:

He was part of the Incarnation (Luke 1:35)
He declared the truth about Christ (John 16:13,14)
He endowed believers with power for witnessing (Acts 1:8)
He poured out God's love (Rom. 5:5)
He interceded (Rom. 8:26)

He was the inspiration for the writing of the Holy Scripture (2 Tim.3:16, 2 Pet. 1:21)
He distributed giftedness for ministry (1 Cor.12:4-11)
He empowered believers with characteristics for godly living (Gal. 5:22, 23)
He Strengthened believers within (Eph. 3:16)

Work: What He Will Do

He will guide the believer (Acts 8:29 ; Rom. 8:14)
He will give assurance of salvation (Rom. 8:14-17)
He will be the believer's teacher (1 John 2:27)
He will intercede (Rom. 8:26)
He will comfort (John 14:16)
He will sanctify (2 Thes. 2:13)
He will accomplish regeneration (John 3:6)
He will make you aware of sin (John 16:8)
He will convince you of the truth of the gospel (John 16:8, 13, 14)
He will empower you to witness (Acts 1:8;4:31)
He will destroy the power of sin in your life (Rom. 8:2-6)
He will lead and even control your life (Rom. 8:14;Gal. 5:16, 25)
He will distribuite gifts to be used in the kingdom (1 Cor. 12:14-11

The Holy Spirit was promised as a gift to believers, part of His ministry is to seal believers at the moment they place saving faith in Christ. The term "seal" includes certain truths: He is a provision of security, a mark of ownership, and a sign of approval. Indeed, the Holy Spirit's presence in believers' lives is the final evidence, both to themselves and to others, of the truth of what each has believed. Further, He is the down payment, providing both a foretaste of the believer's spiritual inheritance and a legal claim to the fullness of that inheritance in the future.



Lively Stone

The Father's Names

El Elohe Israel: God, the God of Israel -- Gen 33:18-20
El Elyon: Most High God -- Gen 14:17-20
El Olam: Everlasting God -- Isaiah 40:28-31
El Roi: The One who sees – Gen 16:12
El Shaddai: God Almighty -- Gen 17:21
Elohim: God -- Gen 1:1
Jehovah Gmolah: God of Recompense -- Jer 51:56
Jehovah Jireh: Lord will Provide --Gen 22:13,14
Jehovah Maccaddeshem: Lord my Sanctifier -- Ex 31:13
Jehovah Makkeh: Lord who Strikes -- Ezekiel 7:9
Jehovah Nissi: Lord our Banner -- Ex 17:15
Jehovah Rapha: Lord our Healer -- Ex 16:26
Jehovah Rohi: Lord my Shepherd -- Psalm 23:1
Jehovah Sabbaoth: Lord of Hosts -- Isaiah 6:1-3
Jehovah Shalom: Lord our Peace -- Judges 6:24
Jehovah Shammah: Lord who is Present -- Ezekiel 48:35
Jehovah Tsidkenu: Lord our Righteousness -- Jer 23:6

Jesus' Attributes/Names:
Exceeding Joy: Psalm 43:4
Hiding place: Ps 119:114
Mighty in Battle: Ps 24:7-10
Makes a way in the sea: Is 43:16
Lifter of my head: Ps 3:3
Safe refuge: Ps 46:1
Rock: Ps 18:46
Shade at my right hand: Ps 121: 4-5
Shield for me: Ps 3:3
Strength of my heart: Ps 73:26
Very present help in trouble: Ps 46:1

From John:
I am the Way, the Truth and the Life
I am the Resurrection and the Life
I am the Bread of Life
I am the Door
I am the Good Shepherd
I am the Light of the World
I am the Son of God

I am the Vine
Advocate, Attorney
Alpha, Omega
Author, finisher of our Faith
Captain of our Salvation
Forerunner
Friend of Sinners
Lion of Judah
Man of Sorrows
Master
Mediator
Physician
Refiner
Saviour
True Vine



Lively Stone

Holy Spirit is God:

Acts 5:3-4
3 Then Peter said, "Ananias, why have you let Satan fill your heart? You lied to the Holy Spirit, and you kept some of the money for yourself. 4 The property was yours to sell or not sell, as you wished. And after selling it, the money was also yours to give away. How could you do a thing like this? You weren't lying to us but to God!

Lively Stone

John 4:24
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.

It is spiritual suicide to claim Christ, yet deny Holy Spirit...

Romans 8:9
But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His.

Romans 8:14
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.

Romans 8:16
The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God,


howard

Note what the scripture says, "The angel of the LORD appeared unto him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush." Who was in the bush?

The angel of the Lord. Keep that in mind. Let's continue.
And Moses said, I will now turn aside, and see this great sight, why the bush is not burnt. And when the LORD saw that he turned aside to see, God called unto him out of the midst of the bush, and said, Moses, Moses. And he said, "Here am I.

Lively Stone

From footnotes:

"The Angel of the Lord

biblecat

I was beginning to wander if I was allowed to see this!

MeMyself

Quote from: biblecat on Wed Jul 04, 2012 - 10:47:49
I was beginning to wander if I was allowed to see this!


Well, wander around it no more!  ::giggle::

What do you mean though, seriously? About being allowed to see it?

biblecat

  I'm sorry it was early in the mourning when I wrote that. I men't to say, I was wandering if I was the only one left that was allowed to see this.
  What I mean by being allowed to see it is that I give God, and God only the credit for Him allowing me to see that their is one God, one Son of God, and one Spirit of God.. Unlike the vast majority of people in the world I would rather say that God is in the Son through the Holy Spirit instead of saying God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit.. Their is only one God, but you already know that..
  In Mathew 3:16 when Jesus was baptized is when the Spirit of God lighted, or made His abode in Jesus. Here are a few more verses that confirm this. Matthew 12:28, John 14:10, 2 Corinthians 5:19...
  There's more... 
  Remember it's God that allows people to see. Unfortunately not everybody is allowed to see.. IE:Romans 9:14-16 pay special attention to verse 15, and all so see Ephesians 2:8..
       
               

howard

Quote from: fish153 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 23:09:14
"The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days..."  The Spirit can speak. He can also be grieved, insulted, quenched, blasphemed, etc.  Those things can only happen to a Person.  God is a Trinity--One God in three persons---and the Holy Spirit is part of that Trinity.  That is Christian doctrine---and it is true doctrine.

Where in the bible does it say God is a spirit?

Thats not written

Let's look at this blasphemous statement you made

"One God in three persons"

how is it one God when we can read Jesus is God and the Father is God that =2

GOD the Father is a spirit
Jesus is a spirit
The HS is a spirit

Where and how does a person come into the picture

We have 3 individual, not one individual in 3



howard


"The reason for that is unbelief."

Trinity is not there



fish153

Quote from: howard on Thu Jul 05, 2012 - 13:26:29
Quote from: fish153 on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 23:09:14
"The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days..."  The Spirit can speak. He can also be grieved, insulted, quenched, blasphemed, etc.  Those things can only happen to a Person.  God is a Trinity--One God in three persons---and the Holy Spirit is part of that Trinity.  That is Christian doctrine---and it is true doctrine.

Where in the bible does it say God is a spirit?

Thats not written






"God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth". (John 4:24)


howard

Quote from: Lively Stone on Tue Jul 03, 2012 - 23:19:43
THE HOLY SPIRIT

Attributes: Who Is He?


He possesses omniscience (1 Cor. 2:11,12)
He possess omnipresence (Ps. 139:7)
He possesses omnipotence (Job 33:4)

He is Truth (1 John 5:6)

He gives life (Luke 11:13)

He possesses creative wisdom (Is. 40:13)
He possesses all the attributes of deity: He is God (Acts 5:3,4)

Record: What He Has Done
In the Old Testament

He was active at creation (Gen. 1:2)
He was the bestower of supernatural giftedness (Gen. 31:38)
He was the giver of creativity (Ex. 31:2-5)
He was the source of power (Judg. 3:9, 10)
He inspired prophecy (1 Sam. 19:20, 23)
He was the mediator of God's message (Mic. 3:8)

In the New Testament:

He was part of the Incarnation (Luke 1:35)
He declared the truth about Christ (John 16:13,14)
He endowed believers with power for witnessing (Acts 1:8)
He poured out God's love (Rom. 5:5)
He interceded (Rom. 8:26)

He was the inspiration for the writing of the Holy Scripture (2 Tim.3:16, 2 Pet. 1:21)
He distributed giftedness for ministry (1 Cor.12:4-11)
He empowered believers with characteristics for godly living (Gal. 5:22, 23)
He Strengthened believers within (Eph. 3:16)

Work: What He Will Do

He will guide the believer (Acts 8:29 ; Rom. 8:14)
He will give assurance of salvation (Rom. 8:14-17)
He will be the believer's teacher (1 John 2:27)
He will intercede (Rom. 8:26)
He will comfort (John 14:16)
He will sanctify (2 Thes. 2:13)
He will accomplish regeneration (John 3:6)
He will make you aware of sin (John 16:8)
He will convince you of the truth of the gospel (John 16:8, 13, 14)
He will empower you to witness (Acts 1:8;4:31)
He will destroy the power of sin in your life (Rom. 8:2-6)
He will lead and even control your life (Rom. 8:14;Gal. 5:16, 25)
He will distribuite gifts to be used in the kingdom (1 Cor. 12:14-11

The Holy Spirit was promised as a gift to believers, part of His ministry is to seal believers at the moment they place saving faith in Christ. The term "seal" includes certain truths: He is a provision of security, a mark of ownership, and a sign of approval. Indeed, the Holy Spirit's presence in believers' lives is the final evidence, both to themselves and to others, of the truth of what each has believed. Further, He is the down payment, providing both a foretaste of the believer's spiritual inheritance and a legal claim to the fullness of that inheritance in the future.




Where is he called God?

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