The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

[MeMyself]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

[howard]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

[MeMyself]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

Hunh...so He's just an angel then to you. 

Ok, thanks. 

[Lively Stone]

Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ! This is why Jesus had to go to the Father, so His Spirit could come with His presence and do the works of Christ in His people in all the earth until He returns!


1 Corinthians 15:45
The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person.

[Lively Stone]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

There are billions of angels, which are spirit creatures, and have specific roles. Then there is HOLY SPIRIT, the third Person of the Godhead.

[howard]

At the nicene council held by the Mother church
They got it wrong and they passed it down to he child tr orthodox church and eventually to
Her grandchild the Protestant church.

Trinity is not in the bible meaning it was never mentioned by the prophets or apostles

At the council conducted by emperor Constitine the apostles or Israelites were not there

Paul said the answers or God is with the Israelites

Romans 3:1-2 (KJV)
What advantage then hath the Jew? or what profit is there of circumcision? [2] Much every way: chiefly, because that unto them were committed the oracles of God.

The Jews were not there,  so where did these Gentiles get there truth from

Paul said that God left everything to Israel
Where did these Gentiles get the trinity doctrine from?
Remember these are Roman Catholic interpreting the word of God
I'm riding with the truth. The truth is there is no holy trinity

Paul said

Romans 9:3-4 (KJV)
For I could wish that myself were accursed from Christ for my brethren, my kinsmen according to the flesh: [4] Who are Israelites; to whom pertaineth the adoption, and the glory, and the covenants, and the giving of the law, and the service of God , and the promises;

[MeMyself]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

There are billions of angels, which are spirit creatures, and have specific roles. Then there is HOLY SPIRIT, the third Person of the Godhead.

and its just silly IMO to think Jesus had to go away so the Holy Spirit could come...if its justa buncha angels or even ONE; angels and Gabriel specifically, were already about.

Makes FAR more sense that He is God!

[howard]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

Hunh...so He's just an angel then to you.  

Ok, thanks.  

Yep
According to the bible the Comforter is Gabriel

He is not a member of the God head he is not part of a trinity

Thank you for taking the time to dialogue

This is why this lesson is in this section

[howard]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

There are billions of angels, which are spirit creatures, and have specific roles. Then there is HOLY SPIRIT, the third Person of the Godhead.

and its just silly IMO to think Jesus had to go away so the Holy Spirit could come...if its justa buncha angels or even ONE; angels and Gabriel specifically, were already about.

Makes FAR more sense that He is God!

Before you close your mind on me

Answer me this

When Jesus walked the earth as a man

Show me one time where the HS taught anyone?

Remember this HS could not come unless Jesus left

Bedore  Jesus came in the flesh The HS came with the truth
You know Gabriel is Holy
You know Gabriel is a spirit
You know Gabreil appeared to
Samson family
Daniel
John the Baptist family
Mary

These are 1000 years apart

And you know the doctrine of trinity wa not taught until the 4th century by the RCC

This you know
All of you know this

[howard]

Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ! This is why Jesus had to go to the Father, so His Spirit could come with His presence and do the works of Christ in His people in all the earth until He returns!


1 Corinthians 15:45
The Scriptures tell us, "The first man, Adam, became a living person.

[howard]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

There are billions of angels, which are spirit creatures, and have specific roles. Then there is HOLY SPIRIT, the third Person of the Godhead.

You are correct
Each angel has a job to do
Gabriel brings the message
Micheal is the captain of the Lords host
In revelation we have 4 angels holding back the 4 winds
In revelation we have 7 Angels  that blow a trumpet
In revelation w have 7 angels that pour vials of wrath
Each angel has a specific job

Compare Gabriel's job with that of the HS
There is a similarity

[howard]

What gets me is the Protestants and evangelicals know that the trinity is. Roman Catholic doctrine
This should have raised a red flag

It did with me and when I investigated it
I knew it was wrong

The majority of Christianity is from the RCC

You all know this

[MeMyself]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

There are billions of angels, which are spirit creatures, and have specific roles. Then there is HOLY SPIRIT, the third Person of the Godhead.

You are correct
Each angel has a job to do
Gabriel brings the message
Micheal is the captain of the Lords host
In revelation we have 4 angels holding back the 4 winds
In revelation we have 7 Angels  that blow a trumpet
In revelation w have 7 angels that pour vials of wrath
Each angel has a specific job

Compare Gabriel's job with that of the HS
There is a similarity

How does Gabriel do this

Ephesians 1:13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

How can he be given to everyone when he is only an angel? And, why didn't Paul just call him Gabriel?

Another translation says the Holy Spirit seals us...how would an angel do this?

[howard]

who do you say the Holy Spirit is?

The HS
That brings the truth is Gabriel the angel/spirit

Gabriel fits the description in John

John 14:16-18,26 (KJV)
And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; [17] Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you. [18] I will not leave you comfortless: I will come to you. [26] But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

Gabriel is not God
Gabrel is one of the Holy Spirits

Gabriel is that spirit who Jess sent to John
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Zechariah's
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Mary
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to Daniel
Gabriel is that spirit who Jesus sent to the Israelites

Gabrel is that spirit that stands in the presence of God

This we read!

There are billions of angels, which are spirit creatures, and have specific roles. Then there is HOLY SPIRIT, the third Person of the Godhead.

You are correct
Each angel has a job to do
Gabriel brings the message
Micheal is the captain of the Lords host
In revelation we have 4 angels holding back the 4 winds
In revelation we have 7 Angels  that blow a trumpet
In revelation w have 7 angels that pour vials of wrath
Each angel has a specific job

Compare Gabriel's job with that of the HS
There is a similarity

How does Gabriel do this

Ephesians 1:13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

How can he be given to everyone when he is only an angel? And, why didn't Paul just call him Gabriel?

Another translation says the Holy Spirit seals us...how would an angel do this?

We already talked about the different spirits in the bible
We have to be very careful when we come across the word

You quote Ephesians you are correct Gabriel or the Comforter would not fit

This HS would

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said his words are spirit
Jesus is holy so his words are holy, making his words a holy spirit

Now replace the HS with the word in the Ephesians verse and see how much clearer the verse is

He gave the Ephesians his holy word or as Jesus calls his word Spirit

[howard]

Let me ask you two some more question as I wait for you two to answer te previous ones

What spirit is this?

Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

What is the spirit in our minds that should be renewed

Is this Gabriel or God the HS?

Let me show you silly

Job 27:3 (KJV)
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Wha spirit of God is in our nostrils?

Gabriel
God the HS
Or another form of God's spirit

[howard]

Sisters and brothers it's not silly to believe in what is written

When Jesus walked the earth as a man where was God the HS or Gabriel or by angel

Where was the comforter?

Jesus taught for 3.5 years

What would we need with the comforter when the Messiah was among men

Think about it and go back and read
The Comforter or Gabriel or God the HS was out of a job as long the Master ws here

Jesus taught Israel ad all that would listen

This is not taught in the church

Matthew 4:23 (KJV)
And Jesus went about all Galilee, teaching in their synagogues, and preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all manner of sickness and all manner of disease among the people.

Jesus taught

[howard]

Is it silly that Gabriel said he stands in the presence of God?

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[howard]

It's funny or maybe it's sad that most Christians don't know where the Christianity we have today come from

It was the RCC who took over the church when the last apostle died and the Christians were fed to te lions

The founding Protestants were against the popes they were not against the RCC doctrine. They kept the doctrine

In Romans 11 Paul warn the RCC
Oh yea they were there ready to pounce on the truth

This is how they come up with the lie that Peter was te first Pope. Peter never went to Rome!

Go get you the history of the trinity books and tread for yourselves

You can't find it in the bible

Next do your research in the bible on te Godhead

We cannot have a Godhead and a trinity

Think about it.

[Lively Stone]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

[Lively Stone]

LS
How can you say there is one God, When you know
That the Father is God he is one entity ,  you know the Son is God and He is one entity
That 2 right there

Then you say 3 persons

Your theory adds up to 4

1 God
3 persons
=
4

Your theory of one God cannot get passed the 1 chapter of Genesis

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Let us
Our  image

Is more than one

Proverb let's us know that we have 2

Proverbs 30:4 (KJV)
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

We have God and we have His Son

Nonsense. God is Three:

Father
Son
Holy Spirit, the Comforter, whom Jesus sent when He went to the Father---AS PROMISED!

Holy Spirit is not an angel, because angels are not omnipresent, which Holy Spirit is.

[Lively Stone]

Let me ask you two some more question as I wait for you two to answer te previous ones

What spirit is this?

Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

What is the spirit in our minds that should be renewed

Is this Gabriel or God the HS?

Let me show you silly

Job 27:3 (KJV)
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Wha spirit of God is in our nostrils?

Gabriel
God the HS
Or another form of God's spirit

The spirit of the mind refers to the attitude we have.

[MeMyself]

LS
How can you say there is one God, When you know
That the Father is God he is one entity ,  you know the Son is God and He is one entity
That 2 right there

Then you say 3 persons

Your theory adds up to 4

1 God
3 persons
=
4

Your theory of one God cannot get passed the 1 chapter of Genesis

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Let us
Our  image

Is more than one

Proverb let's us know that we have 2

Proverbs 30:4 (KJV)
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

We have God and we have His Son

Nonsense. God is Three:

Father
Son
Holy Spirit, the Comforter, whom Jesus sent when He went to the Father---AS PROMISED!

Holy Spirit is not an angel, because angels are not omnipresent, which Holy Spirit is.

[MeMyself]

How does Gabriel do this

Ephesians 1:13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

How can he be given to everyone when he is only an angel? And, why didn't Paul just call him Gabriel?

Another translation says the Holy Spirit seals us...how would an angel do this?

We already talked about the different spirits in the bible
We have to be very careful when we come across the word

You quote Ephesians you are correct Gabriel or the Comforter would not fit

This HS would

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said his words are spirit
Jesus is holy so his words are holy, making his words a holy spirit

Now replace the HS with the word in the Ephesians verse and see how much clearer the verse is

He gave the Ephesians his holy word or as Jesus calls his word Spirit

WHAT?!

Replace Holy Spirit with what word in the Ephesians verse?

Why would we be shifting and replacing ANY words from scripture...unless...its to keep our agendas in tact?

Jesus promised us THE Holy Spirit, not various angels flitting in and out of our lives depending upon our needs and their qualifications (people already had that. It is incomplete!)..believers have THE Holy Spirit, are sealed with Him and are confident that He will keep His promise to NEVER LEAVE or FORSAKE us.

[howard]

Let me ask you two some more question as I wait for you two to answer te previous ones

What spirit is this?

Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

What is the spirit in our minds that should be renewed

Is this Gabriel or God the HS?

Let me show you silly

Job 27:3 (KJV)
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Wha spirit of God is in our nostrils?

Gabriel
God the HS
Or another form of God's spirit

The spirit of the mind refers to the attitude we have.

Is it God?

And how is it a spirit?

If we use your theory every time we see the word spirit in the bible
We are looking at God the Holy Spirit

[howard]

How does Gabriel do this

Ephesians 1:13 And now you Gentiles have also heard the truth, the Good News that God saves you. And when you believed in Christ, he identified you as his own by giving you the Holy Spirit, whom he promised long ago.

How can he be given to everyone when he is only an angel? And, why didn't Paul just call him Gabriel?

Another translation says the Holy Spirit seals us...how would an angel do this?

We already talked about the different spirits in the bible
We have to be very careful when we come across the word

You quote Ephesians you are correct Gabriel or the Comforter would not fit

This HS would

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Jesus said his words are spirit
Jesus is holy so his words are holy, making his words a holy spirit

Now replace the HS with the word in the Ephesians verse and see how much clearer the verse is

He gave the Ephesians his holy word or as Jesus calls his word Spirit

WHAT?!

Replace Holy Spirit with what word in the Ephesians verse?

Why would we be shifting and replacing ANY words from scripture...unless...its to keep our agendas in tact?

Jesus promised us THE Holy Spirit, not various angels flitting in and out of our lives depending upon our needs and their qualifications (people already had that. It is incomplete!)..believers have THE Holy Spirit, are sealed with Him and are confident that He will keep His promise to NEVER LEAVE or FORSAKE us.

What did Jesus say here?
Why is this hard to understand?

What words of God is spirit

John 6:63 (KJV)
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

[Lively Stone]

Let me ask you two some more question as I wait for you two to answer te previous ones

What spirit is this?

Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

What is the spirit in our minds that should be renewed

Is this Gabriel or God the HS?

Let me show you silly

Job 27:3 (KJV)
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Wha spirit of God is in our nostrils?

Gabriel
God the HS
Or another form of God's spirit

The spirit of the mind refers to the attitude we have.

Is it God?

And how is it a spirit?

If we use your theory every time we see the word spirit in the bible
We are looking at God the Holy Spirit

It isn't a spirit---it is an attitude. You have a problem in that every time you see the word 'spirit' in the bible, you think 'angel'! There are many different kinds of angels with different roles, and they are spirit creatures, and so is Satan, being an archangel, himself. Then there are his demonic followers, which are also spirit beings. Then we have God the Father, who is Spirit, and God the Son, who is a fully completed spirit with a glorified human body, like we will have when we are resurrected/translated, and then we have Holy Spirit, that Spirit of Christ, sent by God to dwell within the believer, and to do the work of Christ in and through His people. Now, to top it all off, another reference to throw you into a real spin---'spirit' referring to a person's attitude, mood, humour, nature, drift, tenor, gist, essence, sense, complexion, condition or character.

You have a lot of thinking to do. However, with Holy Spirit living in a person, one can instantly know exactly what meaning to go to whenever one encounters the word.

[howard]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

[Lively Stone]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

[FireSword]

The name of God has been hidden for centuries, we don't know the Fathers name, so how can we know the name of the holy spirit?


Even Jesus name is hidden. In revelation he is given a new name that no man knew but himself.

It could be that the name of Jesus/Yeshua/Yahshua is the name of His Father, since he came in his Fathers name.

That Fathers name could be Immanuel, or it could be Jesus. But Jesus is linked to the son of man and humanity, so maybe the Fathers name is Immanuel.

[howard]

Let me ask you two some more question as I wait for you two to answer te previous ones

What spirit is this?

Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

What is the spirit in our minds that should be renewed

Is this Gabriel or God the HS?

Let me show you silly

Job 27:3 (KJV)
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Wha spirit of God is in our nostrils?

Gabriel
God the HS
Or another form of God's spirit

The spirit of the mind refers to the attitude we have.

Is it God?

And how is it a spirit?

If we use your theory every time we see the word spirit in the bible
We are looking at God the Holy Spirit

It isn't a spirit---it is an attitude. You have a problem in that every time you see the word 'spirit' in the bible, you think 'angel'! There are many different kinds of angels with different roles, and they are spirit creatures, and so is Satan, being an archangel, himself. Then there are his demonic followers, which are also spirit beings. Then we have God the Father, who is Spirit, and God the Son, who is a fully completed spirit with a glorified human body, like we will have when we are resurrected/translated, and then we have Holy Spirit, that Spirit of Christ, sent by God to dwell within the believer, and to do the work of Christ in and through His people. Now, to top it all off, another reference to throw you into a real spin---'spirit' referring to a person's attitude, mood, humour, nature, drift, tenor, gist, essence, sense, complexion, condition or character.

You have a lot of thinking to do. However, with Holy Spirit living in a person, one can instantly know exactly what meaning to go to whenever one encounters the word.

Your wrong LS

When Inseebe word spirit in the bible it could mean many things

Jesus
The Father
Words
Breath
Thoughts
Angels
Strength

What we have here is your refusals to except that the Trinity doctrine is a RCC concoction.
You can't find God the Holy spirit in the bible
You sat there is one God but we all know that there is a God the Father and God the Son which makes two
You say that God is in 3 person which=4
What you present is confusion

There was no such thing as a trinity until the 4th century

What is a spirit is what you need to first understand

Thoughts you cannot see
Words you cannot see
If Jesus wants you cannot see him
The Father no man has never seen
The angel if he wants you cannot see

Get my point
What does a spirit or Ghost have in common?
You can't see them if they want

[howard]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[MeMyself]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[howard]

LS
How can you say there is one God, When you know
That the Father is God he is one entity ,  you know the Son is God and He is one entity
That 2 right there

Then you say 3 persons

Your theory adds up to 4

1 God
3 persons
=
4

Your theory of one God cannot get passed the 1 chapter of Genesis

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Let us
Our  image

Is more than one

Proverb let's us know that we have 2

Proverbs 30:4 (KJV)
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

We have God and we have His Son

Nonsense. God is Three:

Father
Son
Holy Spirit, the Comforter, whom Jesus sent when He went to the Father---AS PROMISED!

Holy Spirit is not an angel, because angels are not omnipresent, which Holy Spirit is.

Where is it written that the HS is omnipresence?

The angels who did not follow Satan are Holy and they are spirit
Who is this HS tht Israel vexed?
Be very careful how you answer I have the answer showing it was a angel
Which I gonna put.

Isaiah 63:10 (KJV)
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? (Judges 2:1-2)

This is why the Lord told us to rightly divide the scripture

God calls his angels Holy spirits and you dare say they are not

Shame on you

[howard]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[howard]

Let's look at the spirit that is also called the thoughts of our mind

Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom. (Psalm 51:6)

Yeah, sisters and brothers the Lord desires truth in the inward parts. After obtaining the truth which is the Word of God, wisdom will follow. Note what David says in the 10th verse.

Create in me a clean heart, O God; and renew a right spirit within me. (Psalm 51:10)

Note what David states; "renew a right spirit within me." Once we have this renewed spirit what
will happen?

Let's skip to the 13th verse.

Then will I teach transgressors thy ways; and sinners shall be converted unto thee. (Psalm 51:13)

Once we have renewed our spirit, or renewed the thoughts of our mind, not being a forgetful hearer, but actually walking in the Lords commandments, we will be able to teach transgressors the ways of the Lord and they will be converted unto Him. Brethren, if any of you do err from the truth, and one convert him;
Let him know, that he which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins. (James 5:19-20