The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

[MeMyself]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[howard]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[MeMyself]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[howard]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[MeMyself]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[howard]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[howard]

thank you all,
Especially LS and MeMY, for not getting sensitive on this subject and taking the time to express their reasoning

Let's switch gears and start our fellowshipping all over again

For centuries people have debated about the Godhead; how many members are there?

Some say there are 3 members of the Godhead, some say there is only 1, but according to the King James Version of the Holy Bible (The Word of God), there are 2 members of the Godhead:

The Father and The Son.  

Angels are not God and therefore are not part of the Godhead.  

Angels are ministering spirits (another word used for spirit is ghost) and those that didn't follow Satan are Holy Angels (Spirits).  

The Angels (Ghosts/Spirits) be they good or evil, serve GOD: they are not equal with GOD. (Hebrews 1:13-14)

[howard]

There are only 2 types of beings in existence:

SPIRIT (Heavenly Beings) 
God (Jesus and the Father)  
The Angels (All of them)  

SOUL (Flesh and Blood Beings)
Man (Humans)
Beasts, Insects, & Everything in the waters

[howard]

LET'S DEFINE A FEW WORDS:

God:
1. A being of supernatural powers or attributes, believed in and worshiped by a people. 
2. One that is worshiped or idealized as a god.
3. GOD. A being conceived as the perfect, omnipotent, omniscient originator and ruler of the universe, the principal object of faith and worship in monotheistic (the belief in one GOD) religions.

Head:  1. To be chief of, command, foremost in importance. 2. To assume or be placed in the first position.

Hood: 1. The state, condition, or quality of being. manhood. 2. All the members of a grouping of a specified nature: neighborhood, family, MAN, etc. (one body with more than one member).

Godhead: 1. Divinity. 2. The essential and divine nature of God.

Godhood: The state or quality of being a god; divinity.

minister: A person serving as an agent for another by carrying out specified orders.

Spirit: The Holy Ghost, a supernatural being.

[howard]

The following is a verse used to support there being 3 members of the Godhead:

1John 5:7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.

The Father - 1
The Word (Jesus, the Son of God) -2
The Holy Ghost (Holy Angel) –3

The Holy Ghost, The Comforter, The Spirit of Truth, and The angel of God's Presence is the angel Gabriel who took over Satan's job when iniquity was found in him.
(St. John 14:15-26, Isaiah 63:7-10) 

Yes, Gabriel bears record in heaven but he is not God; neither is he a part of the Godhead.

To be one is to have the same mindset.

To be full of the holy ghost is to be full of the Word of God.

[howard]

 Let's take a look at the protocol of God:

Revelation 1:1-2

1. The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:  2.  Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.



  God's Protocol (order of things)

  God (The Father) gives the message to the son,

God (Jesus Christ) gives the message to the angel

Angel gives the message to the Children of Israel

Servant (The Children of Israel) give the message to
the rest of the sons of Adam:

This is what the Children of Israel are chosen to do. 

Israel are the People CHOSEN to teach the rest of the Sons of Adam the Word of God.

[howard]

The name of God has been hidden for centuries, we don't know the Fathers name, so how can we know the name of the holy spirit?


Even Jesus name is hidden. In revelation he is given a new name that no man knew but himself.

It could be that the name of Jesus/Yeshua/Yahshua is the name of His Father, since he came in his Fathers name.

That Fathers name could be Immanuel, or it could be Jesus. But Jesus is linked to the son of man and humanity, so maybe the Fathers name is Immanuel.

Nice post!


It is as simple as you have made it

Go to the OT and get all the names of God, not titles but names
Write them down

Go to te NT get al the names of God and write them down

You will come up with the name of Both Gods

Write down all the names of the angels in the bible and you will come up
With the name of the Holy Spirit who brings the truth

Nice catch on the fact Jesus came in the name of the Father
Also I had forgot the name of Emmanuel

Nice post

[Lively Stone]

Let me ask you two some more question as I wait for you two to answer te previous ones

What spirit is this?

Ephesians 4:23-24 (KJV)
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind; [24] And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

What is the spirit in our minds that should be renewed

Is this Gabriel or God the HS?

Let me show you silly

Job 27:3 (KJV)
All the while my breath is in me, and the spirit of God is in my nostrils;

Wha spirit of God is in our nostrils?

Gabriel
God the HS
Or another form of God's spirit

The spirit of the mind refers to the attitude we have.

Is it God?

And how is it a spirit?

If we use your theory every time we see the word spirit in the bible
We are looking at God the Holy Spirit

It isn't a spirit---it is an attitude. You have a problem in that every time you see the word 'spirit' in the bible, you think 'angel'! There are many different kinds of angels with different roles, and they are spirit creatures, and so is Satan, being an archangel, himself. Then there are his demonic followers, which are also spirit beings. Then we have God the Father, who is Spirit, and God the Son, who is a fully completed spirit with a glorified human body, like we will have when we are resurrected/translated, and then we have Holy Spirit, that Spirit of Christ, sent by God to dwell within the believer, and to do the work of Christ in and through His people. Now, to top it all off, another reference to throw you into a real spin---'spirit' referring to a person's attitude, mood, humour, nature, drift, tenor, gist, essence, sense, complexion, condition or character.

You have a lot of thinking to do. However, with Holy Spirit living in a person, one can instantly know exactly what meaning to go to whenever one encounters the word.

Your wrong LS

When Inseebe word spirit in the bible it could mean many things

What is 'inseebe'?

Jesus
The Father
Words
Breath
Thoughts
Angels
Strength

What we have here is your refusals to except that the Trinity doctrine is a RCC concoction.
You can't find God the Holy spirit in the bible
You sat there is one God but we all know that there is a God the Father and God the Son which makes two
You say that God is in 3 person which=4
What you present is confusion

I am not the one who is confused. The bible doesn't have the word 'pancreas', but we know that the Lord created it.

Where you get 4 is beyond me! Father, Son, Holy Spirit is THREE.

There was no such thing as a trinity until the 4th century

It is a revelation of God you need, for Holy Spirit has been forever.

What is a spirit is what you need to first understand

Thoughts you cannot see
Words you cannot see
If Jesus wants you cannot see him
The Father no man has never seen
The angel if he wants you cannot see

Get my point
What does a spirit or Ghost have in common?
You can't see them if they want

This is pretty convoluted stuff, howie. You need to get it together.

[Lively Stone]

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[Lively Stone]

LS
How can you say there is one God, When you know
That the Father is God he is one entity ,  you know the Son is God and He is one entity
That 2 right there

Then you say 3 persons

Your theory adds up to 4

1 God
3 persons
=
4

Your theory of one God cannot get passed the 1 chapter of Genesis

Genesis 1:26 (KJV)
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Let us
Our  image

Is more than one

Proverb let's us know that we have 2

Proverbs 30:4 (KJV)
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

We have God and we have His Son

Nonsense. God is Three:

Father
Son
Holy Spirit, the Comforter, whom Jesus sent when He went to the Father---AS PROMISED!

Holy Spirit is not an angel, because angels are not omnipresent, which Holy Spirit is.

Where is it written that the HS is omnipresence?

The angels who did not follow Satan are Holy and they are spirit
Who is this HS tht Israel vexed?
Be very careful how you answer I have the answer showing it was a angel
Which I gonna put.

Isaiah 63:10 (KJV)
But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to be their enemy, and he fought against them.

And an angel of the LORD came up from Gilgal to Bochim, and said, I made you to go up out of Egypt, and have brought you unto the land which I sware unto your fathers; and I said, I will never break my covenant with you. And ye shall make no league with the inhabitants of this land; ye shall throw down their altars: but ye have not obeyed my voice: why have ye done this? (Judges 2:1-2)

This is why the Lord told us to rightly divide the scripture

God calls his angels Holy spirits and you dare say they are not

Shame on you

Yeah, angels are spirits and they are holy, but they are not called Holy Spirit.

The shame you want to throw on everyone is upon you that you cannot decipher this truth.

[Lively Stone]

There was in the days of Herod, the king of Judaea, a certain priest named Zacharias, of the course of Abia: and his wife was of the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elisabeth. (Luke 1:5)
Let's see who the messenger is.

And there appeared unto him an angel of the Lord standing on the right side of the altar of incense. And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him. But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John. (Luke 1:11-13)

We will see this angel is called the angel of the Lord and he also says he stands in the presence of God, or in other words, the angel of His presence just as the Old Book states. Now, let's see what this angel's name is that brings the message.

Gabriel is not God

Gabreil is a Holy Spirit

Gabriel fits the role as the Comfoter

Gabriel is a powerful archangel of God---among billions. His name is Gabriel---not Comforter, which is the name of Holy Spirit. Gabriel's role is not one of comfort, but of delivering messages concerning the Messiah, Jesus Christ, to men.

Comforter is a title, it is not a name

When Gabriel was sent to Mary with this message were these comfortable words to you 2000 years later

Luke 1:28-35,38 (KJV)
And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] And when she saw him , she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. [31] And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: [33] And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? [35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

Even though part of this prophecy is fulfilled they are comfortable spoken of all over the world

What do you think 'title' means? Don't even begin to think you can mince words about this, Howie! Holy Spirit is known as Comforter.


God's message to the world about Jesus, no matter who He used to convey it, is a message of great hope and comfort. You cannot identify the angel Gabriel as anything other than what God has said he is.

Well the bible says different

And Zacharias said unto the angel, "Whereby shall I know this? for I am an old man, and my wife well stricken in years.

[Lively Stone]

thank you all,
Especially LS and MeMY, for not getting sensitive on this subject and taking the time to express their reasoning

Let's switch gears and start our fellowshipping all over again

For centuries people have debated about the Godhead; how many members are there?

Some say there are 3 members of the Godhead, some say there is only 1, but according to the King James Version of the Holy Bible (The Word of God), there are 2 members of the Godhead:

The Father and The Son.  

Oh! Oh! Oh! Let me answer!

Three.

Angels are not God and therefore are not part of the Godhead.  

Angels are ministering spirits (another word used for spirit is ghost) and those that didn't follow Satan are Holy Angels (Spirits).  

The Angels (Ghosts/Spirits) be they good or evil, serve GOD: they are not equal with GOD. (Hebrews 1:13-14)

Phew! I am so glad you make at least that distinction.

[howard]

These are used to support there being 1 member of the Godhead: 
 
Matthew 19:16-17  And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 

While Jesus was in the flesh he was not God (in SPIRIT) because he was made like unto corruptible man. 

When he was resurrected and became a SPIRIT again he returned to where he came from which is Heaven

When you begin to know the truth through learning you will see, hear, taste and feel the words Jesus speaks unto you through the Word of God. 

Let's begin to read or shall we say re-add (re-collect) what we have forgotten over time. 

Jesus said I and my Father are one.

  This means that they are united in an agreement: they have one mind, two but still ONE.
(John 10:30, 17:11, 21-24. 
Revelation 1:1,
Acts 10:36-43,
John 16:15, 17:8-11, 14:24, 9:4, 6:38-40) 

[howard]

Just as a family is one but has more than 1 member, so it is with the Godhead (One FAMILY with more than 1 member)

At the present there are 2 members of the Godhead, The Father and Jesus, no one else.


JESUS CHRIST SAID "I HAVE MANIFESTED THY NAME

[Clarity]

These are used to support there being 1 member of the Godhead: 
 
Matthew 19:16-17  And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?  And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. 

While Jesus was in the flesh he was not God (in SPIRIT) because he was made like unto corruptible man. 

When he was resurrected and became a SPIRIT again he returned to where he came from which is Heaven

When you begin to know the truth through learning you will see, hear, taste and feel the words Jesus speaks unto you through the Word of God. 

Let's begin to read or shall we say re-add (re-collect) what we have forgotten over time. 

Jesus said I and my Father are one.

  This means that they are united in an agreement: they have one mind, two but still ONE.
(John 10:30, 17:11, 21-24. 
Revelation 1:1,
Acts 10:36-43,
John 16:15, 17:8-11, 14:24, 9:4, 6:38-40) 

Howard do you believe Jesus pre-existed?

[howard]

Just as a family is one but has more than 1 member, so it is with the Godhead (One FAMILY with more than 1 member)

At the present there are 2 members of the Godhead, The Father and Jesus, no one else.


JESUS CHRIST SAID "I HAVE MANIFESTED THY NAME

[Clarity]

Just as a family is one but has more than 1 member, so it is with the Godhead (One FAMILY with more than 1 member)

At the present there are 2 members of the Godhead, The Father and Jesus, no one else.


JESUS CHRIST SAID "I HAVE MANIFESTED THY NAME

[howard]

Just as a family is one but has more than 1 member, so it is with the Godhead (One FAMILY with more than 1 member)

At the present there are 2 members of the Godhead, The Father and Jesus, no one else.


JESUS CHRIST SAID "I HAVE MANIFESTED THY NAME

[howard]

JOHN 17:1-8, 17-23

 1.  These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
 2.  As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
 3.  And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
 4.  I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
 5.  And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
 6.  I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
 7.  Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
 8.  For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.

17.  Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18.  As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19.  And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20.  Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21.  That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22.  And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23.  I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.

[howard]

COLOSSIANS 2:8-10

8. Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
9. For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
10. And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

ROMANS 1:18-23

18. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19. Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21. Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23. And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

[Clarity]

Just as a family is one but has more than 1 member, so it is with the Godhead (One FAMILY with more than 1 member)

At the present there are 2 members of the Godhead, The Father and Jesus, no one else.


JESUS CHRIST SAID "I HAVE MANIFESTED THY NAME

[howard]

Just as a family is one but has more than 1 member, so it is with the Godhead (One FAMILY with more than 1 member)

At the present there are 2 members of the Godhead, The Father and Jesus, no one else.


JESUS CHRIST SAID "I HAVE MANIFESTED THY NAME

[howard]

"MY LORD AND MY GOD"

This statement was made by one of Jesus disciples named Thomas.

The power of this statement blows by the average Christian like a jumbo jet.

It was made after Jesus had been raised from the grave after his death on the cross.
John 20:19" Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, peace be unto you.

20 And when he had so said, he shewed unto them his hands and his side. Then were the disciples glad, when they saw the Lord.

24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Did-y-mus, was not with them when Jesus came.

25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, we have seen the Lord. But he saith unto them, except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and trust my hand into his side, I will not believe." Now that's a reasonable statement Thomas made, saying he'll believe it when he sees it.

26 "And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, peace be unto you.

27 Then saith he to Thomas, reach hither thy finger and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing." Then Thomas made one of the most over looked statements in the bible, when he said unto Jesus

28 "MY LORD AND MY GOD". Jesus after his resurrection from the dead was returning to his former glory, God.

John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was."

Yes, with thee before the world was.

That's why after Jesus was raised from the dead he made this statement.

Mat. 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them saying, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." It's hard for some people to understand that Jesus came through the Virgin Mary in the flesh, but he has always existed as a spirit being.

[howard]

let's start in Genesis, because that's where the one who became known as Jesus can be seen first.

Gen. 1:1 It said that; "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

But

John 1
1 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; (the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made.
10 He was in the world and the world was made by him.

So who created the world, was it God? Was it the Word (Jesus)? Yes!

They are one in the same

14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth.

Yes the WORD that was in the beginning with God, was God and was made flesh and dwelt among man.

That's why Jesus said give me the glory I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, that was in the beginning.

[Clarity]

let's start in Genesis, because that's where the one who became known as Jesus can be seen first.

Gen. 1:1 It said that; "In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth."

But

John 1
1 in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; (the Word) and without him was not any thing made that was made.
10 He was in the world and the world was made by him.

So who created the world, was it God? Was it the Word (Jesus)? Yes!

They are one in the same

14 And the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the father,) full of grace and truth.

Yes the WORD that was in the beginning with God, was God and was made flesh and dwelt among man.

That's why Jesus said give me the glory I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS, that was in the beginning.

This is the standand Trinaterian answer to this passage.

Would you like to know the truth?

[chosenone]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

[MeMyself]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

Yes...and they BOTH say THEY have the truth, but their truth doesn't agree! 

[Lively Stone]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

Yes...and they BOTH say THEY have the truth, but their truth doesn't agree! 

They cancel out each other. Now let's have a real discussion!

[Clarity]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

There is no beginning of time if you are speaking to the existence of God.

God has no beginning
Jesus has a begninning

One is the Father the other the firstborn creature from the dead.

I am not sure what Howard believes but I shall find out.

Clarity

[raggthyme7]

The Godhead is the image of the "Us" (Elohim; is distinctly plural, and definitely TWO; no more no less)

And the Godhead is the Doctrine of the Father and the Son.

That's why churchianity (modern Babylon; the mother of all harlots) has lifted up the idol of the Trinity, to hide the face of the Godhead and instead establish their own authority.

Here is the image of God that God created man(kind) in:

Just as Christ came forth from God
Eve came forth from Adam.

That is WHY God is the HEAD of Christ,
and Adam (man) is the head of woman.

That is also WHY a woman is not to teach or have authority over a man in the church - it creates a false image of God (is Christ the Head of God?)

False images of God create confusion, disorder and chaos, and is of the darkness.

Believe it or not, it is the truth.

Sorry, I'm just now seeing this thread.. I agree with you two though. I don't believe the Spirit is a distinct person in the Godhead as the RCC teaches, but the breath (the very life) of God. I believe God the Father and His Son are two distinct yet inseparable persons. They are one in Spirit. I believe the Father is the only unbegotten God, and the Son is begotten of Him (not created) and rightfully shares in all His glory. We worship His Son because it is the Father's will that we do so, He deserves all glory and praise!

I love how you brought up the Son coming forth from the Father just as man (male and female) were created in their image... Eve coming out of Adam. I had that epiphany one night while reading Genesis several years ago. Very cool.