The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

[Clarity]

The Godhead is the image of the "Us" (Elohim; is distinctly plural, and definitely TWO; no more no less)

And the Godhead is the Doctrine of the Father and the Son.

That's why churchianity (modern Babylon; the mother of all harlots) has lifted up the idol of the Trinity, to hide the face of the Godhead and instead establish their own authority.

Here is the image of God that God created man(kind) in:

Just as Christ came forth from God
Eve came forth from Adam.

That is WHY God is the HEAD of Christ,
and Adam (man) is the head of woman.

That is also WHY a woman is not to teach or have authority over a man in the church - it creates a false image of God (is Christ the Head of God?)

False images of God create confusion, disorder and chaos, and is of the darkness.

Believe it or not, it is the truth.

Sorry, I'm just now seeing this thread.. I agree with you two though. I don't believe the Spirit is a distinct person in the Godhead as the RCC teaches, but the breath (the very life) of God. I believe God the Father and His Son are two distinct yet inseparable persons. They are one in Spirit. I believe the Father is the only unbegotten God, and the Son is begotten of Him (not created) and rightfully shares in all His glory. We worship His Son because it is the Father's will that we do so, He deserves all glory and praise!

If you had placed (created) in brakets you would be very close to the truth.

"Firstborn of every creature" Whether he was begtton of the Flesh by his mother or beggotten of his Father by the Spirit in both cases he is a created being.

The firstborn of many Sons!

Sorry I should support with quote"

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the *manifestation of the sons of God. (Rom 8:19)

*Christ included

[Lively Stone]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

There is no beginning of time if you are speaking to the existence of God.

God has no beginning
Jesus has a begninning

One is the Father the other the firstborn creature from the dead.

I am not sure what Howard believes but I shall find out.

Clarity

The Son has always been with the Father, even though Jesus stepped into history briefly and returned to the Father.

[raggthyme7]

If you had placed (created) in brakets you would be very close to the truth.

"Firstborn of every creature" Whether he was begtton of the Flesh by his mother or beggotten of his Father by the Spirit in both cases he is a created being.

The firstborn of many Sons!

Sorry I should support with quote"

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the *manifestation of the sons of God. (Rom 8:19)

*Christ included

Thank you for your reply. It is my personal belief that Jesus is the firstborn in two ways.. in preeminence and in begettal. I say "not created" because I believe He is God begotten of God. That sounds confusing at first but I appreciate what Justin Martyr says:

"I shall give you another testimony, my friends," said I, "from the Scriptures, that God begat before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain, when He appeared in human form to Joshua the son of Nave (Nun). For He can be called by all those names, since He ministers to the Father's will, and since He was begotten of the Father by an act of will; just as we see happening among ourselves: for when we give out some word, we beget the word; yet not by abscission, so as to lessen the word [which remains] in us, when we give it out: and just as we see also happening in the case of a fire, which is not lessened when it has kindled [another], but remains the same; and that which has been kindled by it likewise appears to exist by itself, not diminishing that from which it was kindled. The Word of Wisdom, who is Himself this God begotten of the Father of all things, and Word, and Wisdom, and Power, and the Glory of the Begetter, will bear evidence to me, when He speaks by Solomon the following: 'If I shall declare to you what happens daily, I shall call to mind events from everlasting, and review them. The Lord made me the beginning of His ways for His works........"



This just makes good sense to me and line's up well with what I read in the Scriptures. We see the relationship between the Father and His Son all through the word, but never do we see an intimacy of the two with a third person. The Son lives because of the Father, not the other way around.. there is only one unbegotten God, but from His own person came the Beloved. That cannot be said about the creature, for everything that was made was made through the Son of God, by the word of His power, either out of nothing or out of existing material. Without Him no created thing came into existence. (John 1) This says to me that God's Son is not created, He is not made.. He alone proceeded forth from the Father's own substance... so to speak. We follow Him in a sense since we are begotten of God as sons upon salvation, and added to His family. I guess in that sense too He would rightly be called the firstborn.

Oddly enough, the RCC holds Justin Martyr as an ECF even though he doesn't appear to believe God is three persons in one... the doctrine we know now as the Trinity. He even talks about the Spirit being none other than the Son Himself... not a third person. There's much I disagree with him about, but I'm with him on the difference between being a creature and being God- begotten of the Father.

[Clarity]

Thank you for your reply and the kind spirit with which it was written.

If you had placed (created) in brackets you would be very close to the truth.

"Firstborn of every creature" Whether he was begtton of the Flesh by his mother or beggotten of his Father by the Spirit in both cases he is a created being.

The firstborn of many Sons!

Sorry I should support with quote"

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the *manifestation of the sons of God. (Rom 8:19)

*Christ included

Thank you for your reply. It is my personal belief that Jesus is the firstborn in two ways.. in preeminence and in begettal. I say "not created" because I believe He is God begotten of God. That sounds confusing at first but I appreciate what Justin Martyr says:

"I shall give you another testimony, my friends," said I, "from the Scriptures, that God begat before all creatures a Beginning, [who was] a certain rational power [proceeding] from Himself, who is called by the Holy Spirit, now the Glory of the Lord, now the Son, again Wisdom, again an Angel, then God, and then Lord and Logos; and on another occasion He calls Himself Captain, when He appeared in human form to Joshua the son of Nave (Nun). For He can be called by all those names, since He ministers to the Father's will, and since He was begotten of the Father by an act of will; just as we see happening among ourselves: for when we give out some word, we beget the word; yet not by abscission, so as to lessen the word [which remains] in us, when we give it out: and just as we see also happening in the case of a fire, which is not lessened when it has kindled [another], but remains the same; and that which has been kindled by it likewise appears to exist by itself, not diminishing that from which it was kindled. The Word of Wisdom, who is Himself this God begotten of the Father of all things, and Word, and Wisdom, and Power, and the Glory of the Begetter, will bear evidence to me, when He speaks by Solomon the following: 'If I shall declare to you what happens daily, I shall call to mind events from everlasting, and review them. The Lord made me the beginning of His ways for His works........"

Its a shame none of the above is based on Scripture or is it supported with Scripture. You must agree for in both claims the evidence is set before us.

I am unable to comment (said without sarcasm) for I would be speaking to the thoughts of a man, an expert but nonetheless a fallible man.

This just makes good sense to me and line's up well with what I read in the Scriptures.

This is your first mistake recorded - Read man and then read Scripture - common mistake made by modern day Christians.

We see the relationship between the Father and His Son all through the word, but never do we see an intimacy of the two with a third person.

The HS is the power of God in its various manifestations - you cannot have intimacy with something innate. Well you can try as some do foolishly.

The Son lives because of the Father,

True

not the other way around..

Well said

there is only one unbegotten God, but from His own person came the Beloved.

True God cannot be born only Sons!

That cannot be said about the creature, for everything that was made was made through the Son of God, by the word of His power, either out of nothing or out of existing material.

Here is where you stray - everything has been made on account of the Son i.e for him, by him, with him in mind, and not him only but many Sons.

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God. (Romans 8:19)

Without Him no created thing came into existence. (John 1)

True in a sense because Christ was the very first imagined (Logos) Son for this creation in a real way God would not have begun this work without first considering His firstborn.

This says to me that God's Son is not created, He is not made..

If you cannot see the many Sons within the same Logos you are yet to see a far deeper and more meaningful understanding of Johns Epistle and his opening remarks.

For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. (Romans 8:14)

Was Jesus led by the Spirit?

For it became him, for whom are all things, and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings. (Hebrews 2:10)

Those Son's will share the same Glory and Christ (Logos) and take part in the same eternal nature as he. If the Captain was made perfect through suffering isnt his soldiers in like manner?

He alone proceeded forth from the Father's own substance... so to speak.

And yet the same can be said of His many Sons.

Whatever you attribute to Christ you must also include all the redeemed - - this you can never escape - - you can try and run from it but it will always catch up to you, should you read the Word.

I can see you are yet to comprehend John 17 - no doubt if you continue we shall find our way there.

We follow Him in a sense since we are begotten of God as sons upon salvation, and added to His family.

See how you were almost there but you couldn't bring yourself to enter the Word fully!

The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: (Romans 8:16)

But you are saying this Spirit is not the same Spirit which caused Christ to be His Son? So what you must believe in God (Yahweh) separates His Children - sets Christ in one corner with one Spirit and the other Children elsewhere with different Spirit.

Is this what you believe?

I guess in that sense too He would rightly be called the firstborn.

How ironic - your conclusion has brought to realise it's impossible for Jesus to be God, if as you say you share in the "Firstborn" by faith.

Now expand your mind to see how Logos speaks to many sons not One!

Clarity

[Clarity]

It appears we have undone 19 pages of greek theology in one post.

The truth operates like this you know.   

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

[Bitter Sweet]

It appears we have undone 19 pages of greek theology in one post.

The truth operates like this you know.   

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Sticking to God's word. 

[Clarity]

It appears we have undone 19 pages of greek theology in one post.

The truth operates like this you know.   

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Sticking to God's word. 

Yes - the solution you rightly state!

Answer: Sticking to God's word. 

[Bitter Sweet]

It appears we have undone 19 pages of greek theology in one post.

The truth operates like this you know.   

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Sticking to God's word. 

Yes - the solution you rightly state!

Answer: Sticking to God's word. 

The trinity thing reminds me of the verse, can't find it, about metaphors being for unbelievers. It's as if people are trying to make something out of a metaphor and turning it into a symbol but in this case it's worse because it's an entire doctrine.

[Lively Stone]

It appears we have undone 19 pages of greek theology in one post.

The truth operates like this you know.   

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Sticking to God's word. 

What do you know about it?

[ChristNU]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

[Lively Stone]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

Ahhh! Some sanity! 

[MeMyself]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

Ahhh! Some sanity! 

THANK you, ChristNU!

[raggthyme7]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

According to trinitarianism, is the Holy Spirit also begotten? Or is he the Begetter? Since he is called a third person in the Godhead, why is there no mention of intimacy between himself and the other members of this trinity? The relationship of the Father with His Son is evident throughout the Bible, but I cannot see one place where the Holy Spirit is said to have this relationship with the two. Persons have relationships. Therefore I believe the Holy Spirit is the life/breath of God.. not a distinct person.

Also, man (male and female) was made in the image of God (the Father and Son)... Eve came forth from Adam in time, even as the Son came forth from the Father in eternity. Where is the likeness of this third "person" displayed in the relationship of man and woman? I believe it's in their unity.. because they shared in the same flesh, the two (not three) were one, God called them "man" just as the Father and Son are one Spirit, one breath, of one substance and are rightly called God.

Another thing that fascinates me is how God made procreation to mimic the creation process.. It is through the woman (who came out of man) that man brings forth offspring. Just as through the Son (who came out of the Father) GOD brought everything into existence. In this way also I believe man was made in the likeness of God.

[chosenone]

It appears we have undone 19 pages of greek theology in one post.

The truth operates like this you know.   

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Sticking to God's word. 

So bittersweet, do you not believe in God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit? These are the beliefs that you need to have to be on this forum, as follows.If anyone does not adhere to the following they shouldnt be here.Its 100% Biblical.

An Adaptation of The Nicene Creed (with scriptural references as it is based on the Bible):

We believe in (Romans 10: 8-10; 1 John 4: 15)
ONE God, (Deuteronomy 6: 4, Ephesians 4: 6)
Father (Matthew 6: 9)
Almighty, (Exodus 6: 3)
Maker of Heaven and Earth, (Genesis 1: 1)
and of all things visible and invisible. (Colossians 1: 15-16)

And in ONE Lord Jesus Christ, (Acts 11: 17)
Son of God, (Mathew 14: 33; 16: 16)
Only-Begotten, (John 1: 18; 3: 16)
Begotten of the Father before all ages. (John 1: 2)
Light from Light; (Psalm 27: 1; John 8: 12; Matthew 17: 2,5)
True God from True God; (John 17: 1-5)
Begotten, not made; (John 1: 18)
of one essence with the Father (John 10: 30)
through whom all things were made; (Hebrews 1: 1-2)
Who for us men and for our salvation (1 Timothy 2: 4-5)
came down from heaven, (John 6: 33,35)
and was incarnate of the Holy Spirit and the Virgin Mary (Luke 1: 35)
and became man. (John 1: 14)
And He was crucified for us (Mark 15: 25; 1 Corinthians 15: 3)
under Pontius Pilate, (John 19: 6)
suffered, (Mark 8: 31)
and was buried. (Luke 23: 53; 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
And on the third day He rose again, according to the Scriptures, (Luke 24: 1 1 Corinthians 15: 4)
and ascended into heaven, (Luke 24: 51; Acts 1: 10)
and sits at the right hand of the Father; (Mark 16: 19; Acts 7: 55)
and He shall come again with glory (Matthew 24: 27)
to judge the living and the dead; (Acts 10: 42; 2 Timothy 4: 1)
Whose Kingdom shall have no end. (2 Peter 1: 11)

And in the Holy Spirit, (John 14: 26)
Lord, (Acts 5: 3-4)
Giver of Life, (Genesis 1: 2)
Who proceeds from the Father [and the Son]; (John 15: 26)
Who with the Father and the Son together is worshiped and glorified; (Matthew 3: 16-17)
Who spoke through the prophets. (1 Samuel 19: 20; Ezekiel 11: 5,13)

In one, (Matthew 16: 18)
holy, (1 Peter 2: 5,9)
Church. (Acts 2: 42; Ephesians 2: 19-22)

We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. (Ephesians 4: 5; Acts 2: 38)
We look for the resurrection of the dead, (John 11: 24; 1 Corinthians 15: 12-49; Hebrews 6: 2; Revelation 20: 5)
and the life in the age to come. (Mark 10: 29-30)

AMEN. (Psalm 106: 48)

[raggthyme7]

These are the beliefs that you need to have to be on this forum, as follows.If anyone does not adhere to the following they shouldnt be here.Its 100% Biblical.

So then why do they have a non-traditional theology forum if they don't allow people with non-traditional views? The Nicene Creed is traditional and those who don't adhere to all aspects of it post on this "NT" forum.

[Bitter Sweet]

These are the beliefs that you need to have to be on this forum, as follows.If anyone does not adhere to the following they shouldnt be here.Its 100% Biblical.

So then why do they have a non-traditional theology forum if they don't allow people with non-traditional views? The Nicene Creed is traditional and those who don't adhere to all aspects of it post on this "NT" forum.

Thank You for posting this and asking this question. I look forward to Chosenone's response.

Chosenone, I do believe in God, I believe in Jesus Christ and I believe in the Holy Spirit, I just don't believe in the trinity doctrine that the Orthodox and Catholic church created. Trinity isn't mentioned anywhere in the bible and I just like to stick the words in the bible, no need to add any of man's words.  Is there any rule against sticking to only God's word?

I just noticed, I don't see the word trinity mentioned in the rules either.

[Bitter Sweet]

Chosenone, we have a self proclaimed Atheist on this board, Victor. I've never seen you tell him this once. Is there any reason why you are questioning my faith and being on this board instead of one that openly admits to being an Atheist?

[Clarity]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

This argument from silence is dragged out when one has exhausted the Word...dissapointing ChristNU you present such a baseless argument so soon into the discussion.

God has many Son's ...Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
(Mat 26:53)

They are all the Sons of God.

[MeMyself]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

This argument from silence is dragged out when one has exhausted the Word...dissapointing ChristNU you present such a baseless argument so soon into the discussion.

God has many Son's ...Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
(Mat 26:53)

They are all the Sons of God.

They who? The ANGELS are sons of God?

[Lively Stone]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

This argument from silence is dragged out when one has exhausted the Word...dissapointing ChristNU you present such a baseless argument so soon into the discussion.

God has many Son's ...Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?
(Mat 26:53)

They are all the Sons of God.

God has one Son---Jesus, and through Him, He has many sons and daughters.

[howard]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

The HS in us is God's word and the breath of life

I showed this to you an whoever read this topic

Le me ask you this

What or who is this spirit leading Jesus?

Matthew 4:1 (KJV)
Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.

[howard]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

Yes...and they BOTH say THEY have the truth, but their truth doesn't agree! 

Agree to what?
Your theories

I ask all of you to show me God the holy Ghost and no one has done it

[howard]

Re: The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

Answer: Fiction

Your understanding of "begotten" is simply wrong, and as a result all that you build upon that wrong premise is wrong also.

For the Father to be the Father requires the Son, and for the Son to be Son requires the Father. The Father has always been Father God, and the eternal Son has never not been the Son of God. The word "begotten" does not mean that the Son was created and made by the Father out of nothing. To the contrary, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all eternal and underived Deity.

What God begets is God. Jesus is the ONLY "begotten", not created, Son of God...God of God.

Ahhh! Some sanity! 

The. Father is God
The  Son is God

Where does it say the HG is God

[MeMyself]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

Yes...and they BOTH say THEY have the truth, but their truth doesn't agree! 

Agree to what?
Your theories

No.  Let me say it again.  YOU say you have truth. Clarity says HE has truth. BUT!  The truth you BOTH say you have does not agree with the others.

[howard]

Psalm 110:1 (KJV)
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

David's Lord said unto his Lord

We have two Lords

One Lord sits on the right hand of the other Lord

[howard]

So let me get this straight.

Howard doesnt believe that The Holy Spirit, who is in us, is God,  and clarity doesnt believe that Jesus is God, or that He always was with God from the beginning of time. Is that about right?

Yes...and they BOTH say THEY have the truth, but their truth doesn't agree! 

Agree to what?
Your theories

No.  Let me say it again.  YOU say you have truth. Clarity says HE has truth. BUT!  The truth you BOTH say you have does not agree with the others.

And you have the truth?

Yet where is God the Holy Ghost written at in the  bible?

We can read where the Father is God
We can read where the Son is God

Yet for some strange reason we can't read where the HS is GOD

is this true?

[MeMyself]

And you have the truth?

yep.

[howard]

Revelation 5:1,3,5-7 (KJV)
And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals.

[3] And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon.

5] And one of the elders saith unto me, Weep not: behold, the Lion of the tribe of Juda, the Root of David, hath prevailed to open the book, and to loose the seven seals thereof.

6] And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

[7] And he came and took the book out of the right hand of him that sat upon the throne.

We have Jesus and we have the one who sit on the throne

Where is the third God at?

[howard]

Here is truth

Trinity is not written in God's word
Fact

God the Holy ghost or holy spirit is not written in God's word
Fact

The trinity doctrine was established in the 4th century by emperor Constantine
Fact

The RCC convened that council
Fact

The Orthodox adopted all or most of the RCC doctrine even the trinity doctrine
Fact

The Protestants adopted all of the RCC doctrine even the trinity the protest was not about doctrine
FACT

God the HS is absent from the Godhead, throne room of God and he has no throne to sit on
Fact

Where is the truth you claim to have?

[HRoberson]

The Holy Spirit as God is a deduction.


The Trinity is a concept based on deduction.

[howard]

The Holy Spirit as God is a deduction.


The Trinity is a concept based on deduction.

Where is this written ?

[howard]

Where  is the three?

One god in 3=4

One God

We have the God the Father
We have God the Son
2

Now Ifyou were to find God the HS, we now have 3
But the doctrine calls for one God

[howard]

The dogma of the Trinity

The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.

[howard]

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15047a.htm

The dogma of the Trinity

The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.

In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom (To Autolycus II.15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian (On Pudicity 21). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of Origen ("In Ps. xvii", 15). The first creed in which it appears is that of Origen's pupil, Gregory Thaumaturgus. In his Ekthesis tes pisteos composed between 260 and 270, he writes:

There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever (P.G., X, 986).

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The dogma of the Trinity

The Trinity is the term employed to signify the central doctrine of the Christian religion — the truth that in the unity of the Godhead there are Three Persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, these Three Persons being truly distinct one from another.

Thus, in the words of the Athanasian Creed: "the Father is God, the Son is God, and the Holy Spirit is God, and yet there are not three Gods but one God." In this Trinity of Persons the Son is begotten of the Father by an eternal generation, and the Holy Spirit proceeds by an eternal procession from the Father and the Son. Yet, notwithstanding this difference as to origin, the Persons are co-eternal and co-equal: all alike are uncreated and omnipotent. This, the Church teaches, is the revelation regarding God's nature which Jesus Christ, the Son of God, came upon earth to deliver to the world: and which she proposes to man as the foundation of her whole dogmatic system.

In Scripture there is as yet no single term by which the Three Divine Persons are denoted together. The word trias (of which the Latin trinitas is a translation) is first found in Theophilus of Antioch about A.D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom (To Autolycus II.15). The term may, of course, have been in use before his time. Afterwards it appears in its Latin form of trinitas in Tertullian (On Pudicity 21). In the next century the word is in general use. It is found in many passages of Origen ("In Ps. xvii", 15). The first creed in which it appears is that of Origen's pupil, Gregory Thaumaturgus. In his Ekthesis tes pisteos composed between 260 and 270, he writes:

There is therefore nothing created, nothing subject to another in the Trinity: nor is there anything that has been added as though it once had not existed, but had entered afterwards: therefore the Father has never been without the Son, nor the Son without the Spirit: and this same Trinity is immutable and unalterable forever (P.G., X, 986).

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