The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

[howard]

Lucifer means light bearer

Lucifer as Satan  use to bring the light / truth to the angels
 
Lucifer was taken away from satan and given to Gabriel

Gabriel's brings the truth to man

Gabriel was sent to man

[howard]

Isaiah 14:12-15 (KJV)
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!

13] For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:

14] I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

15] Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.

Here lucifer / Satan falls from heaven

Why was he called lucifer in heaven

Revelation 12:9-10 (KJV)
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him

10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.


Satan would go before theLord day and night accusing the other angels

In heaven before he sinned his job was lucifer or light bearer

[howard]

Daniel 9:21-22 (KJV)
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation

22] And he informed me , and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

Look what Gabriel job is

He came to man

[Lively Stone]

Where is the HS? Pay close attention to who God sent to the beloved prophet Daniel.

Daniel 9:21-23 (KJV)
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation

[22] And he informed me , and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee ; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Who  was sent to show Daniel things?
Who was sent to give Daniel skills and understanding


Where is the HS?
Why is Gabriel doing the HS job?

Get into the New Testament, howie.

Holy Spirit was with the Father.

Gabriel was used to bring a message, which is his job. That was God's way, often during those days. He still does it today.

same job function LS you just admitted it

lets look at gabriel bringing good news in the NT

Luke 1

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

good news don't you think!

Why would any right-thinking Christian deny that angels are used to deliver messages? After all, 'angel' means 'messenger'!!!

Anything an angel or Holy Spirit would say to us would be from God, and that would be perfect, and good---even if it is bad news.

Gabriel is an archangel. Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, the author and revealer of the scriptures and of all truth.

Get into the word, howie, and study it---prayerfully, allowing Holy Spirit to open your heart and mind to His truth. Until you do, you are just going to continue spinning your squeaky wheels.

Look it is written Jesus created everything in heaven

Colossians 1:16 (KJV)
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All things created in heaven by Jesus,.

So? Did you just discover that now?

[Lively Stone]

the bible teach this about a angel which Gabriel is

Hebrews 1:

7 And of the angels he saith, Who maketh his angels spirits, and his ministers a flame of fire.

13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?


Gabriel is Holy
Gabriel is a spirit
Gabriel is sent forth

Gabriel is a Holy Spirit sent forth

Angels are spiritual CREATURES, and holy and are sent.

Holy Spirit is not a spiritual CREATURE.

I find your stubbornness and mocking laughter completely out of line.

Actually is really frustrating that the trinity doctrine has such a profound effect on Chrisitans

Yes, it must be frustrating for Satan to have such a hard time deceiving Christians into believing that the powerful Holy Spirit is nobody!

You are right, this is not a laughing matter

Then stop with the emoticons.

The people here knows the effect of the Roman Catholic doctrine has had on the world
It's saddening.

This is not RCC teaching. This is God's teaching. does your distaste of the RCC colour everything you cannot comprehend so that you lump it in as their heresy?

The trinity is a Roman Catholic doctrine like most of chrisitianity practiced today

Nah!

What troubles me is the stubbornness of you and others who won't look at the verses I put and accept what is written.

I contend strongly for the truth of the word. God blesses me for it. You have nothing in scripture to prove your case, because it is not true and so it is contrived.

I'm not stubborn LS I've been on the shoes of one beloved in the God the HS
Yet the Lord opened m eyes and ears to see it is not biblical

I have news for you. It wasn't the Lord.

I don't want to argue or debate I just want you and others to read the other portrayals of the word spirit in the bible.

We can see clearly that there are many mentions of the word, 'spirit'. It is self-explanatory. Holy Spirit, Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of God are, also.

I'm not here to change minds or create controversy
We all read the same bible and we all call ourselves Christian

Somebody is wrong

It is you, but you refuse to see how your are confusing terms.

[Lively Stone]

The average Christian think that every word spirit in te bible is God the HS

They have no understanding about the many definitions of the word spirit

God's words are spirit
God's air is spirit
God's angels are spirit

Ask the average Christian this and See that they don't know this.

That is false.

[Lively Stone]

Lucifer means light bearer

Lucifer as Satan  use to bring the light / truth to the angels
 
Lucifer was taken away from satan and given to Gabriel

Gabriel's brings the truth to man

Gabriel was sent to man

Where did you get that from?? 

[Lively Stone]

Daniel 9:21-22 (KJV)
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation

22] And he informed me , and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

Look what Gabriel job is

He came to man

That is what angels are often sent to do---to bring messages to man. They minister the word and will of God to us every day.

[Lively Stone]

Matthew 6:9-13 (KJV)
After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name

[10] Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.

[11] Give us this day our daily bread

[12] And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.


13] And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

When we pray We have the Father to begin it

John 14:13 (KJV)
And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.

And we have the son name to close the prayer  In Jesus name

Some one is missing

Only missing to you.

Who do you think opens your spiritual eyes to the truths that are contained in that prayer? By whom do you receive your answers? who is it that pricks your conscience about sin and urges you to ask for forgiveness? Who is it that causes you to give thanks to your Saviour and your God for all things?

Holy Spirit.

Romans 8:9
But you are not controlled by your sinful nature. You are controlled by the Spirit if you have the Spirit of God living in you. (And remember that those who do not have the Spirit of Christ living in them do not belong to him at all.)

[Mikey888]

Where is the HS? Pay close attention to who God sent to the beloved prophet Daniel.

Daniel 9:21-23 (KJV)
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation

[22] And he informed me , and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee ; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Who  was sent to show Daniel things?
Who was sent to give Daniel skills and understanding


Where is the HS?
Why is Gabriel doing the HS job?

Get into the New Testament, howie.

Holy Spirit was with the Father.

Gabriel was used to bring a message, which is his job. That was God's way, often during those days. He still does it today.

same job function LS you just admitted it

lets look at gabriel bringing good news in the NT

Luke 1

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

good news don't you think!

Why would any right-thinking Christian deny that angels are used to deliver messages? After all, 'angel' means 'messenger'!!!

Anything an angel or Holy Spirit would say to us would be from God, and that would be perfect, and good---even if it is bad news.

Gabriel is an archangel. Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, the author and revealer of the scriptures and of all truth.

Get into the word, howie, and study it---prayerfully, allowing Holy Spirit to open your heart and mind to His truth. Until you do, you are just going to continue spinning your squeaky wheels.

Look it is written Jesus created everything in heaven

Colossians 1:16 (KJV)
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All things created in heaven by Jesus,.

This settles it for me:

Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."
John 10:7

and

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber."
John 10:1

Howard has entered the sheepfold by The Door; the Word of God;  and he is doing the Good Shepherding of God's flock, and I hear my Master's Voice; the LORD Jesus Christ.

If I may say so; well done Howard.

AND...

I thank God for you, and for ALL His faithful servants.

Mikey

[Lively Stone]

Where is the HS? Pay close attention to who God sent to the beloved prophet Daniel.

Daniel 9:21-23 (KJV)
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation

[22] And he informed me , and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee ; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Who  was sent to show Daniel things?
Who was sent to give Daniel skills and understanding


Where is the HS?
Why is Gabriel doing the HS job?

Get into the New Testament, howie.

Holy Spirit was with the Father.

Gabriel was used to bring a message, which is his job. That was God's way, often during those days. He still does it today.

same job function LS you just admitted it

lets look at gabriel bringing good news in the NT

Luke 1

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

good news don't you think!

Why would any right-thinking Christian deny that angels are used to deliver messages? After all, 'angel' means 'messenger'!!!

Anything an angel or Holy Spirit would say to us would be from God, and that would be perfect, and good---even if it is bad news.

Gabriel is an archangel. Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, the author and revealer of the scriptures and of all truth.

Get into the word, howie, and study it---prayerfully, allowing Holy Spirit to open your heart and mind to His truth. Until you do, you are just going to continue spinning your squeaky wheels.

Look it is written Jesus created everything in heaven

Colossians 1:16 (KJV)
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All things created in heaven by Jesus,.

This settles it for me:

Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."
John 10:7

and

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber."
John 10:1

Howard has entered the sheepfold by The Door; the Word of God;  and he is doing the Good Shepherding of God's flock, and I hear my Master's Voice; the LORD Jesus Christ.

If I may say so; well done Howard.

AND...

I thank God for you, and for ALL His faithful servants.

Mikey

I gather you haven't read the entire thread... 

[chosenone]

Mikey you may be mistaken about what you said. Howard does not believe that The Holy Spirit is God. He says that The Holy Spirit is the angel gabriel. 

[Mikey888]

Mikey you may be mistaken about what you said. Howard does not believe that The Holy Spirit is God. He says that The Holy Spirit is the angel gabriel. 

Oh my!  Really?
Have I been duped?
Will you then, chose none, please show ME where Jesus says the Holy Spirit is God?
Surely that statement MUST BE in the Word of God, right?
So please, show me where it IS, because I cannot find that STATEMENT.

However, as I have examined the man's every post, all I find him doing is exalting the Word of God, with references and everything, above the thoughts of church tradition.  If that isn't glorifying the Lord, I don't know what is. 

The Sword of the Spirit IS the Word of God (are you saying that it isn't?), and that is what I see (and verify) is coming out of his mouth, that is, in his spirit.  For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and truly, he seems more interested in glorifying the Word of God than in attracting attention to him self.

There is something else I happened upon which is even more interesting,

John 7:39
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Maybe we should all do like Howard and exalt the Word of the Lord and seek His glorification so we might all be delivered from the traditions of men - something that Jesus said "makes the word of God of none effect".

Look at each and every post he made, just as I did.  From God's own word, who is Jesus Christ, what can you PROVE is wrong with his posts?  I cannot find anything wrong with them. Can you?  Please, do show me, because no one wants to be deceived.

Until you or someone else does so, it seems to me that you are exalting opinion and tradition against what the word of God says very plainly.

So I will have to agree with God's Word, for God says "He sent His word and healed us".

Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD!

Sincerely,
Mikey

[Mikey888]

I gather you haven't read the entire thread... 

You gather wrong.

I read every post.

It is God who is gathering together His elect, as the scriptures teach.
And the tares are gathered together too, but in another place.

Now if you don't mind, I would like to enjoy the Bread that Howard has brought to the table.
It is UNleavened Bread, and that is what the Lord Jesus Christ prefers on His banquet table.
We are gonna drink the Lord favored wine too, together.

So please (no one is forcing you to eat or drink here) allow us to fellowship in peace, with the Lord.

Sincerely,
Mikey

[Lively Stone]

Mikey you may be mistaken about what you said. Howard does not believe that The Holy Spirit is God. He says that The Holy Spirit is the angel gabriel. 

Oh my!  Really?
Have I been duped?
Will you then, chose none, please show ME where Jesus says the Holy Spirit is God?
Surely that statement MUST BE in the Word of God, right?
So please, show me where it IS, because I cannot find that STATEMENT.

However, as I have examined the man's every post, all I find him doing is exalting the Word of God, with references and everything, above the thoughts of church tradition.  If that isn't glorifying the Lord, I don't know what is. 

The Sword of the Spirit IS the Word of God (are you saying that it isn't?), and that is what I see (and verify) is coming out of his mouth, that is, in his spirit.  For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and truly, he seems more interested in glorifying the Word of God than in attracting attention to him self.

There is something else I happened upon which is even more interesting,

John 7:39
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Maybe we should all do like Howard and exalt the Word of the Lord and seek His glorification so we might all be delivered from the traditions of men - something that Jesus said "makes the word of God of none effect".

Look at each and every post he made, just as I did.  From God's own word, who is Jesus Christ, what can you PROVE is wrong with his posts?  I cannot find anything wrong with them. Can you?  Please, do show me, because no one wants to be deceived.

Until you or someone else does so, it seems to me that you are exalting opinion and tradition against what the word of God says very plainly.

So I will have to agree with God's Word, for God says "He sent His word and healed us".

Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD!

Sincerely,
Mikey

Exalting the word of the Lord? How? How are you healed by God? How is His power manifest in you?

HOLY SPIRIT!

Rejecting Him is not exalting anyone but oneself and leaning on one's own understanding.

'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,'
Says the Lord of hosts.

[Lively Stone]

I gather you haven't read the entire thread... 

You gather wrong.

I read every post.

It is God who is gathering together His elect, as the scriptures teach.
And the tares are gathered together too, but in another place.

Now if you don't mind, I would like to enjoy the Bread that Howard has brought to the table.
It is UNleavened Bread, and that is what the Lord Jesus Christ prefers on His banquet table.
We are gonna drink the Lord favored wine too, together.

So please (no one is forcing you to eat or drink here) allow us to fellowship in peace, with the Lord.

Sincerely,
Mikey

Go start your own thread, then---in NON-TRADITIONAL! Your unorthodox beliefs could easily lead people astray from the truth about who God is. In answer to a previous question you asked:

Yes, you have been duped. Denying Holy Spirit grieves God.

[Bitter Sweet]

Where is the HS? Pay close attention to who God sent to the beloved prophet Daniel.

Daniel 9:21-23 (KJV)
Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation

[22] And he informed me , and talked with me, and said, O Daniel, I am now come forth to give thee skill and understanding.

[23] At the beginning of thy supplications the commandment came forth, and I am come to shew thee ; for thou art greatly beloved: therefore understand the matter, and consider the vision.

Who  was sent to show Daniel things?
Who was sent to give Daniel skills and understanding


Where is the HS?
Why is Gabriel doing the HS job?

Get into the New Testament, howie.

Holy Spirit was with the Father.

Gabriel was used to bring a message, which is his job. That was God's way, often during those days. He still does it today.

same job function LS you just admitted it

lets look at gabriel bringing good news in the NT

Luke 1

26 And in the sixth month the angel Gabriel was sent from God unto a city of Galilee, named Nazareth,

27 To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

28 And the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.

29 And when she saw him, she was troubled at his saying, and cast in her mind what manner of salutation this should be.

30 And the angel said unto her, Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God.

31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name Jesus.

32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David:

33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

good news don't you think!

Why would any right-thinking Christian deny that angels are used to deliver messages? After all, 'angel' means 'messenger'!!!

Anything an angel or Holy Spirit would say to us would be from God, and that would be perfect, and good---even if it is bad news.

Gabriel is an archangel. Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ, the author and revealer of the scriptures and of all truth.

Get into the word, howie, and study it---prayerfully, allowing Holy Spirit to open your heart and mind to His truth. Until you do, you are just going to continue spinning your squeaky wheels.

Look it is written Jesus created everything in heaven

Colossians 1:16 (KJV)
For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

All things created in heaven by Jesus,.

This settles it for me:

Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."
John 10:7

and

"Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber."
John 10:1

Howard has entered the sheepfold by The Door; the Word of God;  and he is doing the Good Shepherding of God's flock, and I hear my Master's Voice; the LORD Jesus Christ.

If I may say so; well done Howard.

AND...

I thank God for you, and for ALL His faithful servants.

Mikey

Welcome to the way! Have A GREAT DAY! 

[Lively Stone]

Welcome to the way! Have A GREAT DAY! 

The wrong way, you mean.

[Mikey888]

Mikey you may be mistaken about what you said. Howard does not believe that The Holy Spirit is God. He says that The Holy Spirit is the angel gabriel. 

Oh my!  Really?
Have I been duped?
Will you then, chose none, please show ME where Jesus says the Holy Spirit is God?
Surely that statement MUST BE in the Word of God, right?
So please, show me where it IS, because I cannot find that STATEMENT.

However, as I have examined the man's every post, all I find him doing is exalting the Word of God, with references and everything, above the thoughts of church tradition.  If that isn't glorifying the Lord, I don't know what is. 

The Sword of the Spirit IS the Word of God (are you saying that it isn't?), and that is what I see (and verify) is coming out of his mouth, that is, in his spirit.  For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and truly, he seems more interested in glorifying the Word of God than in attracting attention to him self.

There is something else I happened upon which is even more interesting,

John 7:39
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Maybe we should all do like Howard and exalt the Word of the Lord and seek His glorification so we might all be delivered from the traditions of men - something that Jesus said "makes the word of God of none effect".

Look at each and every post he made, just as I did.  From God's own word, who is Jesus Christ, what can you PROVE is wrong with his posts?  I cannot find anything wrong with them. Can you?  Please, do show me, because no one wants to be deceived.

Until you or someone else does so, it seems to me that you are exalting opinion and tradition against what the word of God says very plainly.

So I will have to agree with God's Word, for God says "He sent His word and healed us".

Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD!

Sincerely,
Mikey

Exalting the word of the Lord? How? How are you healed by God? How is His power manifest in you?

HOLY SPIRIT!

Rejecting Him is not exalting anyone oneself and leaning on one's own understanding.

'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,'
Says the Lord of hosts.

"Exalting the word of the Lord? How?"
By receiving and ACCEPTING the Scriptures as absolute truth.
Both the New Testament AND the Old Testament, for the New was born out of the Old.

"How are you healed by God?"
In Adam all die, but in Christ ALL are made alive.
All mankind (except Christ Jesus) are of Adam's seed, and as such we are ALL living under a sentence of death.  But Jesus Christ opened up for us a New and LIVING Way for us to be reconciled with God - through Himself, and by His Spirit.

Howard presents the Scriptures: the Word of God.  That IS Jesus Christ!
I receive the Word of God, with joy!
I believe the Word of God!
And the Word of God is making me Whole!
For the Word of God, and His Word ALONE is good for teaching and for reproof, that the man of God can be completely equipped for every good work.

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp, And the law a light; Reproofs of instruction are the way of life,

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


"How is His power manifest in you?"
2 Samuel 22:33
God is my strength and power, And He makes my way perfect.

Because I FOLLOW HIM!   And...

1 Chronicles 29:11
Yours, O LORD, is the greatness, The power and the glory, The victory and the majesty; For all that is in heaven and in earth is Yours; Yours is the kingdom, O LORD, And You are exalted as head over all.  Both riches and honor come from You, And You reign over all. In Your hand is power and might; In Your hand it is to make great And to give strength to all.

So why the frowning face, wagging "no", LS?  You look disappointed, and disapproving.
Shouldn't you be filled with Joy at the revelation of God's Word?

I AM!   

"Rejecting Him is not exalting anyone oneself and leaning on one's own understanding."
I'm the one receiving Him, the Word of God!  You're the one rejecting God's word, instead leaning on tradition and your own understanding - and look - it's made you sad and now grumpy too.  What a shame.

Sincerely,
Mikey

[Lively Stone]

Mikey you may be mistaken about what you said. Howard does not believe that The Holy Spirit is God. He says that The Holy Spirit is the angel gabriel. 

Oh my!  Really?
Have I been duped?
Will you then, chose none, please show ME where Jesus says the Holy Spirit is God?
Surely that statement MUST BE in the Word of God, right?
So please, show me where it IS, because I cannot find that STATEMENT.

However, as I have examined the man's every post, all I find him doing is exalting the Word of God, with references and everything, above the thoughts of church tradition.  If that isn't glorifying the Lord, I don't know what is. 

The Sword of the Spirit IS the Word of God (are you saying that it isn't?), and that is what I see (and verify) is coming out of his mouth, that is, in his spirit.  For out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks, and truly, he seems more interested in glorifying the Word of God than in attracting attention to him self.

There is something else I happened upon which is even more interesting,

John 7:39
But this He spoke concerning the Spirit, whom those believing in Him would receive; for the Holy Spirit was not yet given, because Jesus was not yet glorified.

Maybe we should all do like Howard and exalt the Word of the Lord and seek His glorification so we might all be delivered from the traditions of men - something that Jesus said "makes the word of God of none effect".

Look at each and every post he made, just as I did.  From God's own word, who is Jesus Christ, what can you PROVE is wrong with his posts?  I cannot find anything wrong with them. Can you?  Please, do show me, because no one wants to be deceived.

Until you or someone else does so, it seems to me that you are exalting opinion and tradition against what the word of God says very plainly.

So I will have to agree with God's Word, for God says "He sent His word and healed us".

Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD!

Sincerely,
Mikey

Exalting the word of the Lord? How? How are you healed by God? How is His power manifest in you?

HOLY SPIRIT!

Rejecting Him is not exalting anyone oneself and leaning on one's own understanding.

'Not by might nor by power, but by My Spirit,'
Says the Lord of hosts.

"Exalting the word of the Lord? How?"
By receiving and ACCEPTING the Scriptures as absolute truth.
Both the New Testament AND the Old Testament, for the New was born out of the Old.

"How are you healed by God?"
In Adam all die, but in Christ ALL are made alive.
All mankind (except Christ Jesus) are of Adam's seed, and as such we are ALL living under a sentence of death.  But Jesus Christ opened up for us a New and LIVING Way for us to be reconciled with God - through Himself, and by His Spirit.

Howard presents the Scriptures: the Word of God.  That IS Jesus Christ!
I receive the Word of God, with joy!
I believe the Word of God!
And the Word of God is making me Whole!
For the Word of God, and His Word ALONE is good for teaching and for reproof, that the man of God can be completely equipped for every good work.

Proverbs 6:23
For the commandment is a lamp, And the law a light; Reproofs of instruction are the way of life,

2 Timothy 3:16
All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work.


"How is His power manifest in you?"
2 Samuel 22:33
God is my strength and power, And He makes my way perfect.

Because I FOLLOW HIM!   And...

1 Chronicles 29:11
Yours, O LORD, is the greatness, The power and the glory, The victory and the majesty; For all that is in heaven and in earth is Yours; Yours is the kingdom, O LORD, And You are exalted as head over all.  Both riches and honor come from You, And You reign over all. In Your hand is power and might; In Your hand it is to make great And to give strength to all.

So why the frowning face, wagging "no", LS?  You look disappointed, and disapproving.
Shouldn't you be filled with Joy at the revelation of God's Word?

I AM!   

"Rejecting Him is not exalting anyone oneself and leaning on one's own understanding."
I'm the one receiving Him, the Word of God!  You're the one rejecting God's word, instead leaning on tradition and your own understanding - and look - it's made you sad and now grumpy too.  What a shame.

Sincerely,
Mikey

You cannot receive the word of the Lord except by the work of the Spirit of Truth---Holy Spirit, whom you deny.

It's a good thing that God is ALL merciful.

[Mikey888]

Welcome to the way! Have A GREAT DAY! 

Thank you!

In fact, I think I am having a Great Day - maybe even... THAT One.

Does anyone else hear the sound of Niagara Falls?

WOW!

Mikey

[Bitter Sweet]

Welcome to the way! Have A GREAT DAY! 

Thank you!

In fact, I think I am having a Great Day - maybe even... THAT One.

Does anyone else hear the sound of Niagara Falls?

WOW!

Mikey

You are AWESOME! My husband asked me if I wanted to go there last week and last night I told him it's on!

[Mikey888]

You cannot receive the word of the Lord except by the work of the Spirit of Truth---Holy Spirit, whom you deny.

It's a good thing that God is ALL merciful.

LS, I don't know who you think you are fighting with, not me for sure.
Perhaps you are fighting with yourself, you do seem conflicted.

I certainly don't want to quarrel with you, I prefer the perfect peace of a mind stayed on God's Word.

Yes...

The Lord says to "Rule in the midst of your enemies."

And so I rule over my own heart, submitting to the Word of God!
Yeah, though I walk through this flesh, the very shadow of death, I fear no evil, for Thou art with me, Thy Word and Thy Spirit, They comfort me....

And He prepareth a feast for me, in the midst of my enemies...

Truly, I shall dwell in the House of The LORD forever,

and ever, AMEN!

peace to you LS,
Mikey

[Mikey888]

Welcome to the way! Have A GREAT DAY! 

Thank you!

In fact, I think I am having a Great Day - maybe even... THAT One.

Does anyone else hear the sound of Niagara Falls?

WOW!

Mikey

You are AWESOME! My husband asked me if I wanted to go there last week and last night I told him it's on!

Congratulations!  I Hear You!
May you and your Husband have a Wonderful Time!
Also, enjoy the Mist that goes up every morning, and those long walks in the cool of the Evening too!
It is a Great Place, and a beautiful place to spend quality time as One with Him.
May God Greatly Bless you and everyone you love, inn Jesus MIGHTY Name!
Enjoy!

Mikey

[Lively Stone]

You cannot receive the word of the Lord except by the work of the Spirit of Truth---Holy Spirit, whom you deny.

It's a good thing that God is ALL merciful.

LS, I don't know who you think you are fighting with, not me for sure.
Perhaps you are fighting with yourself, you do seem conflicted.

I certainly don't want to quarrel with you, I prefer the perfect peace of a mind stayed on God's Word.

Yes...

The Lord says to "Rule in the midst of your enemies."

And so I rule over my own heart, submitting to the Word of God!
Yeah, though I walk through this flesh, the very shadow of death, I fear no evil, for Thou art with me, Thy Word and Thy Spirit, They comfort me....

And He prepareth a feast for me, in the midst of my enemies...

Truly, I shall dwell in the House of The LORD forever,

and ever, AMEN!

peace to you LS,
Mikey

There is only always a battle between the forces of darkness and the forces of Light. Those who insist that Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ in the world have fallen for a lie of the enemy.

The Truth will always oppose and defeat the lie.

Have a nice day yourself.

[Mikey888]

You cannot receive the word of the Lord except by the work of the Spirit of Truth---Holy Spirit, whom you deny.

It's a good thing that God is ALL merciful.

LS, I don't know who you think you are fighting with, not me for sure.
Perhaps you are fighting with yourself, you do seem conflicted.

I certainly don't want to quarrel with you, I prefer the perfect peace of a mind stayed on God's Word.

Yes...

The Lord says to "Rule in the midst of your enemies."

And so I rule over my own heart, submitting to the Word of God!
Yeah, though I walk through this flesh, the very shadow of death, I fear no evil, for Thou art with me, Thy Word and Thy Spirit, They comfort me....

And He prepareth a feast for me, in the midst of my enemies...

Truly, I shall dwell in the House of The LORD forever,

and ever, AMEN!

peace to you LS,
Mikey

There is only always a battle between the forces of darkness and the forces of Light. Those who insist that Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ in the world have fallen for a lie of the enemy.

The Truth will always oppose and defeat the lie.

Have a nice day yourself.

Who said that?

"... that Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ..."

I didn't say that. Neither did anyone else, but you - just now.

What Howard asked you to SHOW was where the scriptures say that "the Holy Spirit is God".
What Howard did show were scriptures which demonstrate that God sends spirits, some Holy (carrying His Message in love and truth) and some Evil (as shown in the book of Job).  For Christ created them ALL, and Christ RULES over them all.

It looks like you are putting your words in our mouths, and trying to make us liars, LS.
C'mon now LS, don't be a naughty one!

So rather than accuse us, why don't you QUOTE US, even as I have just quoted you.
By behaving the way you are...
You're not painting a very flattering picture of your own self.
We are with all truth and sincerity trying to keep you on track.

Mikey

[Lively Stone]

You cannot receive the word of the Lord except by the work of the Spirit of Truth---Holy Spirit, whom you deny.

It's a good thing that God is ALL merciful.

LS, I don't know who you think you are fighting with, not me for sure.
Perhaps you are fighting with yourself, you do seem conflicted.

I certainly don't want to quarrel with you, I prefer the perfect peace of a mind stayed on God's Word.

Yes...

The Lord says to "Rule in the midst of your enemies."

And so I rule over my own heart, submitting to the Word of God!
Yeah, though I walk through this flesh, the very shadow of death, I fear no evil, for Thou art with me, Thy Word and Thy Spirit, They comfort me....

And He prepareth a feast for me, in the midst of my enemies...

Truly, I shall dwell in the House of The LORD forever,

and ever, AMEN!

peace to you LS,
Mikey

There is only always a battle between the forces of darkness and the forces of Light. Those who insist that Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ in the world have fallen for a lie of the enemy.

The Truth will always oppose and defeat the lie.

Have a nice day yourself.

Who said that?

"... that Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ..."

I didn't say that. Neither did anyone else, but you - just now.

What Howard asked you to SHOW was where the scriptures say that "the Holy Spirit is God".
What Howard did show were scriptures which demonstrate that God sends spirits, some Holy (carrying His Message in love and truth) and some Evil (as shown in the book of Job).  For Christ created them ALL, and Christ RULES over them all.

It looks like you are putting your words in our mouths, and trying to make us liars, LS.
C'mon now LS, don't be a naughty one!

So rather than accuse us, why don't you QUOTE US, even as I have just quoted you.
By behaving the way you are...
You're not painting a very flattering picture of your own self.
We are with all truth and sincerity trying to keep you on track.

Mikey

Anyone who reads my post knows I DIDN'T say that...which makes you what? What do we call people who speak lies?

You would do well to keep yourself on track, seeing as you cannot quote people with much integrity.

[Mikey888]

You cannot receive the word of the Lord except by the work of the Spirit of Truth---Holy Spirit, whom you deny.

It's a good thing that God is ALL merciful.

LS, I don't know who you think you are fighting with, not me for sure.
Perhaps you are fighting with yourself, you do seem conflicted.

I certainly don't want to quarrel with you, I prefer the perfect peace of a mind stayed on God's Word.

Yes...

The Lord says to "Rule in the midst of your enemies."

And so I rule over my own heart, submitting to the Word of God!
Yeah, though I walk through this flesh, the very shadow of death, I fear no evil, for Thou art with me, Thy Word and Thy Spirit, They comfort me....

And He prepareth a feast for me, in the midst of my enemies...

Truly, I shall dwell in the House of The LORD forever,

and ever, AMEN!

peace to you LS,
Mikey

There is only always a battle between the forces of darkness and the forces of Light. Those who insist that Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ in the world have fallen for a lie of the enemy.

The Truth will always oppose and defeat the lie.

Have a nice day yourself.

There it is (I bolded your statement in #619 and anyone can scroll up and see that those are YOUR WORDS in YOUR POST.)

Looks like you laid a trap and got caught in it yourself.
Thou shalt not lie in wait for blood!

God will always catch you in your own lies.

Mikey

[howard]

I gather you haven't read the entire thread... 

You gather wrong.

I read every post.

It is God who is gathering together His elect, as the scriptures teach.
And the tares are gathered together too, but in another place.

Now if you don't mind, I would like to enjoy the Bread that Howard has brought to the table.
It is UNleavened Bread, and that is what the Lord Jesus Christ prefers on His banquet table.
We are gonna drink the Lord favored wine too, together.

So please (no one is forcing you to eat or drink here) allow us to fellowship in peace, with the Lord.

Sincerely,
Mikey

Go start your own thread, then---in NON-TRADITIONAL! Your unorthodox beliefs could easily lead people astray from the truth about who God is. In answer to a previous question you asked:

Yes, you have been duped. Denying Holy Spirit grieves God.

LS

I don't deny the HS!

My post has not denied the HS

I know he is not who you say he is.

You still have not shown us God the HS from the bible.

[howard]

Thanks Mikey

Peace to you in the mighty name of Jesus

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

[fish153]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

[Bitter Sweet]

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Then why doesn't the bible just say it's the trinity instead of man having to add to the bible? I have never seen a verse say "this is the trinity". God is not the author of confusion, the word of God isn't confusing, he say's what he says and means what he says, nothing is supposed to be added to it.

[howard]

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth. And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. (Genesis 1v1-2

what did he mean by "the spirit of God moving the upon waters?

What spirit is this?

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

There is a HS and it is a He, but he is not God

I don't ad have not denied the HS he does exist but he is not God
He is not on Equal footing as Jesus and The Father

He does not have the power of Jesus and the Father

God the HS is a doctrine believed but not proved this is why I put the verse prove all things


1 Thessalonians 5:21 (KJV)
Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.

Why is it you that you don't put God the HS, or God the Father or God the Son?
The way the trinitarians all it?