The Trinity, Fact or Fiction?

[Lively Stone]

You cannot receive the word of the Lord except by the work of the Spirit of Truth---Holy Spirit, whom you deny.

It's a good thing that God is ALL merciful.

LS, I don't know who you think you are fighting with, not me for sure.
Perhaps you are fighting with yourself, you do seem conflicted.

I certainly don't want to quarrel with you, I prefer the perfect peace of a mind stayed on God's Word.

Yes...

The Lord says to "Rule in the midst of your enemies."

And so I rule over my own heart, submitting to the Word of God!
Yeah, though I walk through this flesh, the very shadow of death, I fear no evil, for Thou art with me, Thy Word and Thy Spirit, They comfort me....

And He prepareth a feast for me, in the midst of my enemies...

Truly, I shall dwell in the House of The LORD forever,

and ever, AMEN!

peace to you LS,
Mikey

There is only always a battle between the forces of darkness and the forces of Light. Those who insist that Holy Spirit is not the Spirit of Christ in the world have fallen for a lie of the enemy.

The Truth will always oppose and defeat the lie.

Have a nice day yourself.

There it is (I bolded your statement in #619 and anyone can scroll up and see that those are YOUR WORDS in YOUR POST.)

Looks like you laid a trap and got caught in it yourself.
Thou shalt not lie in wait for blood!

God will always catch you in your own lies.

Mikey

Looks like you have reading comprehension problems. I said Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Christ. I don't know what you think you are doing here, but can't be good.

I haven't lied...but you are spreading thick muck.

[Lively Stone]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

[howard]

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Then why doesn't the bible just say it's the trinity instead of man having to add to the bible? I have never seen a verse say "this is the trinity". God is not the author of confusion, the word of God isn't confusing, he say's what he says and means what he says, nothing is supposed to be added to it.

I've notice that all trinitarians that I have debated never speak of the Godhead
Which is written. In the Godhead there is no room for a third being.

Romans 1:20-21 (KJV)
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

Look at the 21 verse

We know Jesus is God
We know the Father is God

We cannot read whet the HS is God

So instead of having a trinity which is not written which makes it the imagination of mans mind

God said Godhead

[Lively Stone]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

[howard]

Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)

What spirits are these?

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

LS

Are you giving  the approval that God the HS started in the NT?

[fish153]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

[MeMyself]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Manna, Fish!

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

[fish153]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

[howard]

Which God is having this spirit to do this?
And God is telling God the HS to go get his hands dirty and do some work

Something is not right.

Why is God the HS doing the dirty work?

Again let's read the same thing from David that Moses had wrote

hou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)

Who created or renewest God or God the HS?

[Lively Stone]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[Man_Of_Honor]

http://www.gotquestions.org/Godhead.html

The Ministry of the Triune Godhead
Scripture links these three Persons of the Godhead together so closely in so many divine activities that it would be foolish to deny that any one of them is God. Observe some of those activities:

• Creating the World. All three were involved in creation: the Father (Genesis 1:1); the Son (John 1:3, 10; Colossians 1:16); and the Spirit (Genesis 1:2, Psalm 104:30). If all three created, then God the Creator must exist in three Persons.

• Sending the Son. All three members of the Trinity were active in the incarnation. When Mary questioned the angel about the possibility of a virgin birth, the angel answered her, "The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God" (Luke 1:35). The power of the Father, ministered through the agency of the Spirit, resulted in the birth of the Son into the world. This close association in the birth of the Savior is further indication of their oneness.

• Identifying the Messiah. At precisely the proper moment, Jesus Christ was revealed to Israel as her Messiah. John the Baptist was the chosen instrument and the act of baptism was the chosen means (Matthew 3:16-17). As the Spirit came upon the Son, the Father's voice was heard from heaven expressing His approval. It was another powerful testimony to the eternal triune Godhead.

• Providing Redemption. Two central passages bring the three members of the Godhead together in providing for man's eternal salvation. "How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!" (Hebrews 9:14). It was the offering of the Son to the Father by the power of the Spirit. The Apostle Peter taught, furthermore, that God the Father chose us to salvation, God the Son paid for it by shedding His blood, and God the Spirit set us apart unto the obedience of faith (1 Peter 1:1-2). Without each Person of the Godhead doing His part, we would remain in our sins.

• Proclaiming Salvation. In the early years of the church, God did some spectacular things to verify the gospel message which the apostles were preaching. The writer to the Hebrews tells us, "How shall we escape if we neglect so great a salvation? After it was at the first spoken through the Lord, it was confirmed to us by those who heard, God also bearing witness with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will" (Hebrews 2:3-4). It was the same message that was first spoken by the Son Himself. When the apostles proclaimed it, the Father bore witness to its truthfulness by bestowing miraculous gifts through the Spirit. It was not only a powerful witness to the truth of the message, but another demonstration of the triune God at work.

• Sending the Spirit. The three Persons of the Trinity are so interwoven in sending the Spirit into the world that it is difficult to distinguish between them. In one passage it is stated that the Father would send the Spirit in Christ's name and that He would testify concerning Christ (John 14:26). In another it is said that the Son would send Him from the Father (John 15:26). In yet another, the Father sends Him and calls Him the Spirit of His Son (Galatians 4:6). What a picture of unity—such perfect unity that the actions of one are considered to be the actions of the other. The Spirit proceeds from both the Father and the Son. But all three are vitally involved in His coming.

• Indwelling Believers. Jesus taught His disciples that both He and His Father would make their home with them (John 14:23). But their indwelling would be in the Person of the Comforter, the Spirit of truth (John 14:16-17). As the Spirit of both the Father and the Son, His indwelling is the indwelling of the Godhead. That would not be possible unless the three are one.

• Baptizing Believers. In our Lord's commission to His disciples He said, "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit" (Matthew 28:19). The unity of the Godhead is declared by combining them in one "name" (singular). Yet the distinctiveness of the Persons is maintained by listing them separately. It is another link in the long chain of evidence that the Father, the Son, and the Spirit are one God.

• Entering God's Presence. All three members of the Godhead are intimately involved in the believer's access into the presence of God. Speaking of Christ, the Apostle Paul taught, "For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit" (Ephesians 2:18). Both Jews and Gentiles can approach the Father through the merits of the Son with the help of the Spirit.

• Blessing Believers. In Paul's final remarks to the Corinthian Christians, he linked the three members of the Godhead together in a beautiful benediction: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all" (2 Corinthians 13:14). Unless the three are one, eternally and equally supreme, there would be little reason to put them together on an equal basis like this in a divine blessing. The apostle certainly considered them to be one.

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

In order to determine  the holy spirit from God the HS is by the use of a capital S?

What spirit would this be, by the way it's not capitalized

Exodus 35:31 (KJV)
And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

In the original writing the Hebrew language scrolls did not have punctuation or capitalization
How do you come up with a God the HS and trinity based on grammar

Brother you are reaching?

Are you a babe in the word?

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's read about the head and let's read if the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit is there

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Again somebody is missing

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
The head of Jesus is God

Somebody got left out again

The God head is Jesus and the Father

[fish153]

Which God is having this spirit to do this?
And God is telling God the HS to go get his hands dirty and do some work

Something is not right.

Why is God the HS doing the dirty work?

Again let's read the same thing from David that Moses had wrote

hou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)

Who created or renewest God or God the HS?

If you read further in Genesis 1 you will hear God say "Let US make man in OUR image".
How can God send Himself to do a work?  Hmmm..

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him".

Is God sending God into the world to save it?  Yes---the Father sent the Son into the world, and baptized Him with His Spirit.  All 3 persons of the Godhead were involved in our salvation.  God is a trinity. It is clearly revealed in scripture.

[Man_Of_Honor]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's read about the head and let's read if the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit is there

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Again somebody is missing

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
The head of Jesus is God

Somebody got left out again

The God head is Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

+1. I agree with the bold, Howard.

[howard]

Why hasn't God the Holy spirit showed you all these things

The Godhead is written

Yet your God the HS refuse to show you

And how can God the HS allow you to defend him by using grammar or a capital S

Hi I'm God the HS you can find me by the capital S in the word Spirit

Stick with the RCC version it sounds better

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's read about the head and let's read if the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit is there

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Again somebody is missing

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
The head of Jesus is God

Somebody got left out again

The God head is Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit.

+1. I agree with the bold, Howard.

Cool

Can you show me where the Holy Spirit is God


Keep in mind it says Godhead

[fish153]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

In order to determine  the holy spirit from God the HS is by the use of a capital S?

What spirit would this be, by the way it's not capitalized

Exodus 35:31 (KJV)
And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

In the original writing the Hebrew language scrolls did not have punctuation or capitalization
How do you come up with a God the HS and trinity based on grammar

Brother you are reaching?

Are you a babe in the word?

I don't care if the original didn't capatilize words.  One writes God, not god out of respect.  I am asking you to respect the Holy Spirit by capatilizing his name as you would Jesus or God.  I am not basing God the Holy Spirit on grammar, but upon scripture. I am asking for capatilizing out of pure respect for the honorable being, third person of the Trinity,  the Holy Spirit.

[Bitter Sweet]

Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

[Lively Stone]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The Godhead doesn't require proof to those who know and love Him.

Who is the Godhead? Do you know?

Yes, the Godhead consists of the Three Persons: Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Let's read about the head and let's read if the Holy Spirit or God the Holy Spirit is there

Ephesians 5:23 (KJV)
For the husband is the head of the wife, even as Christ is the head of the church: and he is the saviour of the body.

1 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

Again somebody is missing

The head of woman is man
The head of man is Jesus
The head of Jesus is God

Somebody got left out again

The God head is Jesus and the Father

The head or SOURCE of all things is God. No one is left out. Holy Spirit doesn't proclaim Himself---He points to Christ and glorifies the Father.

[fish153]

Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

[Man_Of_Honor]

Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

[howard]

Which God is having this spirit to do this?
And God is telling God the HS to go get his hands dirty and do some work

Something is not right.

Why is God the HS doing the dirty work?

Again let's read the same thing from David that Moses had wrote

hou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou renewest the face of the earth. (Psalm 104:30)

Who created or renewest God or God the HS?

If you read further in Genesis 1 you will hear God say "Let US make man in OUR image".
How can God send Himself to do a work?  Hmmm..

"For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him".

Is God sending God into the world to save it?  Yes---the Father sent the Son into the world, and baptized Him with His Spirit.  All 3 persons of the Godhead were involved in our salvation.  God is a trinity. It is clearly revealed in scripture.

You can read in proverbs 2

Proverbs 30:4 (KJV)
Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath established all the ends of the earth? what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell?

You can read in Isaiah 2

Isaiah 57:15 (KJV)
For thus saith the high and lofty One that inhabiteth eternity, whose name is Holy; I dwell in the high and holy place , with him also that is of a contrite and humble spirit, to revive the spirit of the humble, and to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


I read 2 so the us in genesis brings us to 2

Show me the third

Let me nail the coffin

Head to revelation

Revelation 1:1 (KJV)
The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:


Take away the angel and man and we are stuck with Jesus and God the Father

[howard]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

In order to determine  the holy spirit from God the HS is by the use of a capital S?

What spirit would this be, by the way it's not capitalized

Exodus 35:31 (KJV)
And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

In the original writing the Hebrew language scrolls did not have punctuation or capitalization
How do you come up with a God the HS and trinity based on grammar

Brother you are reaching?

Are you a babe in the word?

I don't care if the original didn't capatilize words.  One writes God, not god out of respect.  I am asking you to respect the Holy Spirit by capatilizing his name as you would Jesus or God.  I am not basing God the Holy Spirit on grammar, but upon scripture. I am asking for capatilizing out of pure respect for the honorable being, third person of the Trinity,  the Holy Spirit.

Your emotion don't matter
Facts are facts grammar don't dictate the holy spirit title
there are many spirit of God and not one is God and to think that
The determining factor is a capital s is purely emotions

[Bitter Sweet]

Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

This is one of my questions that hasn't been answered, how can we be forgiven for an aspect of the trinity if Jesus is an equal part?

[Bitter Sweet]

Man and woman are 1 flesh, then we have Jesus and God. Does the holy spirit have male or female attributes?

God is not based on what attributes we have-----we are based on what attributes He has---He created us--not the other way around.

So the HS isn't personified as male or female? If the HS is a person, the third person, is the HS a he or a she? Jesus is male. God as you say is both since we are created in his image, where does that leave the HS?

[fish153]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

In order to determine  the holy spirit from God the HS is by the use of a capital S?

What spirit would this be, by the way it's not capitalized

Exodus 35:31 (KJV)
And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

In the original writing the Hebrew language scrolls did not have punctuation or capitalization
How do you come up with a God the HS and trinity based on grammar

Brother you are reaching?

Are you a babe in the word?

I don't care if the original didn't capatilize words.  One writes God, not god out of respect.  I am asking you to respect the Holy Spirit by capatilizing his name as you would Jesus or God.  I am not basing God the Holy Spirit on grammar, but upon scripture. I am asking for capatilizing out of pure respect for the honorable being, third person of the Trinity,  the Holy Spirit.

Your emotion don't matter
Facts are facts grammar don't dictate the holy spirit title
there are many spirit of God and not one is God and to think that
The determining factor is a capital s is purely emotions

LOL.  Nowhere did I say a capital "S" was a determining factor about whether the Holy Spirit is God or not.  I gave you scriptures from Genesis and Revelation (they are also found in John, Acts, 1 Corinthians, and several other places) which show the Holy Spirit to be a Person, and a member of the Godhead.  If you want to ignore those scriptures that's your prerogative. If you'd rather be referred to as howard than Howard that's fine with me too. 

[Man_Of_Honor]

Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

This is one of my questions that hasn't been answered, how can we be forgiven for an aspect of the trinity if Jesus is an equal part?

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Holy-Spirit.html

There are many misconceptions about the identity of the Holy Spirit. Some view the Holy Spirit as a mystical force. Others understand the Holy Spirit as the impersonal power that God makes available to followers of Christ. What does the Bible say about the identity of the Holy Spirit? Simply put, the Bible declares that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a divine person, a being with a mind, emotions, and a will.

The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures, including Acts 5:3-4. In this verse Peter confronts Ananias as to why he lied to the Holy Spirit and tells him that he had "not lied to men but to God." It is a clear declaration that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. We can also know that the Holy Spirit is God because He possesses the characteristics of God. For example, His omnipresence is seen in Psalm 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there." Then in 1 Corinthians 2:10-11, we see the characteristic of omniscience in the Holy Spirit. "But God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God."

We can know that the Holy Spirit is indeed a divine person because He possesses a mind, emotions, and a will. The Holy Spirit thinks and knows (1 Corinthians 2:10). The Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit intercedes for us (Romans 8:26-27). He makes decisions according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11). The Holy Spirit is God, the third Person of the Trinity. As God, the Holy Spirit can truly function as the Comforter and Counselor that Jesus promised He would be (John 14:16, 26, 15:26).


You would get a clearer picture by reading the scriptures.

[Lively Stone]

John 16:12 (KJV)
I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.

The Lord had many things he wanted to say to the disciples but they could not bear it so he did not tell them

The Godhead is one of those lesson that many are not able to bear

God the holy Ghost is one of those subject people believe but can't prove

The New Testament if full of references to the Holy Spirit as a "He" and as a "person". Only a person can be "grieved" or "insulted".  Acts says the Holy Spirit has made the Apostles overseers of the church which God bought with His own blood.    Timothy states "The Spirit speaks expressly that in the last days many shall depart from the faith".  Only a person can "speak".

The Holy Spirit is definitely referred to as a Person----He is part of the Trinity--Father Son and Holy Spirit---clearly taught in Scripture.

Fish

Are you saying God the HS started in the NT?
Is he in the OT?

Yes---the Holy Spirit is in the Bible from beginning to ending.

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters". (Gen. 1:1,2)

"And the Spirit and the bride say, Come" (Rev. 22:17)

Fish

Is this God the Holy spirit?

Yes---God the Holy Spirit. (spirit with a capital "S" please--He is God).

In order to determine  the holy spirit from God the HS is by the use of a capital S?

What spirit would this be, by the way it's not capitalized

Exodus 35:31 (KJV)
And he hath filled him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, in understanding, and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship;

In the original writing the Hebrew language scrolls did not have punctuation or capitalization
How do you come up with a God the HS and trinity based on grammar

Brother you are reaching?

Are you a babe in the word?

I don't care if the original didn't capatilize words.  One writes God, not god out of respect.  I am asking you to respect the Holy Spirit by capatilizing his name as you would Jesus or God.  I am not basing God the Holy Spirit on grammar, but upon scripture. I am asking for capatilizing out of pure respect for the honorable being, third person of the Trinity,  the Holy Spirit.

Your emotion don't matter
Facts are facts grammar don't dictate the holy spirit title
there are many spirit of God and not one is God and to think that
The determining factor is a capital s is purely emotions

You have been asked to use the capitals in the name, Holy Spirit, and you are now being dismissive and incredibly rude. there is no possible way one can have a discussion with people who act like that. Not only that, but it reveals a character that still needs to be touched by the oil of Holy Spirit.

[howard]

Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

we can blaspheme Jesus But not the HS

try putting this HS in the verse you put
John 6:63 (KJV)

It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

Let's read about those who teach Gods word wrong

Matthew 5:19 (KJV)
Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them , the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Look what God did to those who taught and done his word wrongly

Romans 1:18-21,26,28 (KJV)
For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; [19] Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. [20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: [21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. [26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: [28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Read the whole chapter

That holy spirit that is blasphemed and will not be forgiven is God's word

It is not God the holy spirit or the Holy spirit

[Bitter Sweet]

Matthew 12:31–32

31 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. 32 And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.

This is one of my questions that hasn't been answered, how can we be forgiven for an aspect of the trinity if Jesus is an equal part?

http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Holy-Spirit.html

There are many misconceptions about the identity of the Holy Spirit. Some view the Holy Spirit as a mystical force. Others understand the Holy Spirit as the impersonal power that God makes available to followers of Christ. What does the Bible say about the identity of the Holy Spirit? Simply put, the Bible declares that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a divine person, a being with a mind, emotions, and a will.

The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures, including Acts 5:3-4. In this verse Peter confronts Ananias as to why he lied to the Holy Spirit and tells him that he had "not lied to men but to God." It is a clear declaration that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. We can also know that the Holy Spirit is God because He possesses the characteristics of God. For example, His omnipresence is seen in Psalm 139:7-8, "Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there." Then in 1 Corinthians 2:10-11, we see the characteristic of omniscience in the Holy Spirit. "But God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God."

We can know that the Holy Spirit is indeed a divine person because He possesses a mind, emotions, and a will. The Holy Spirit thinks and knows (1 Corinthians 2:10). The Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit intercedes for us (Romans 8:26-27). He makes decisions according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11). The Holy Spirit is God, the third Person of the Trinity. As God, the Holy Spirit can truly function as the Comforter and Counselor that Jesus promised He would be (John 14:16, 26, 15:26).


You would get a clearer picture by reading the scriptures.

I agree, scripture says it all.