The Royal Blood of Jesus

[gospel]

Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.

Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.

In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity

Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father


and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5

[MeMyself]

Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.

Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.

In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity

Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father


and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5

[Lively Stone]

Thank you, gospel! It is ALWAYS uplifting to read your posts!

[JohnDB]

Something else that is of importance and relevance is station and place in society.

They aren't up for a "reversal of fortune". In America and other "westernized" cultures anyone can become of the "religious caste" or of the "Governing Caste".

This was not so in Israel. Your tribe and fathers dictated your position in life. Legacy was everything to these people. It was at the center of most of their ambitions.
A positive Legacy meant that you did well and God was pleased with you. A negative or no Legacy meant just the opposite.

Today we don't think much about our legacy we leave behind or pay tribute to those that did leave behind a positive legacy like the philanthropists of yesteryear.

Maybe things aren't better in this instant age.

[larry2]

Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.

Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.

In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity

Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father


and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5

That falls right in line with our new birth.

Revelation 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jesus will be King of us kings.

 

[candy]

Thank you Gospel for this beautiful message.  I too really enjoy your posts.  Please keep them coming.  All glory to our Savior Jesus Christ!!

[MeMyself]

Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.

Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.

In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity

Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father


and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5

That falls right in line with our new birth.

Revelation 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jesus will be King of us kings.

[gospel]

Something else that is of importance and relevance is station and place in society.

They aren't up for a "reversal of fortune". In America and other "westernized" cultures anyone can become of the "religious caste" or of the "Governing Caste".

This was not so in Israel. Your tribe and fathers dictated your position in life. Legacy was everything to these people. It was at the center of most of their ambitions.
A positive Legacy meant that you did well and God was pleased with you. A negative or no Legacy meant just the opposite.

Today we don't think much about our legacy we leave behind or pay tribute to those that did leave behind a positive legacy like the philanthropists of yesteryear.

Maybe things aren't better in this instant age.

You make some great points however.....I would urge us all to keep in mind, things have already gotten better, they began to do so the very day of Jesus Birth and on that very day the sky was filled with the heavenly hosts proclaiming good tidings of great joy, peace on earth to all upon whom the favor of God rests.

Yes sir-ee folks

Things have already gotten better because we have been adopted into the Bloodline of the King!

That falls right in line with our new birth.

Revelation 1:6  And hath made us kings and priests unto God and His Father; to Him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

Jesus will be King of us kings.

Excellent post larry2

Which leads me to share the following passage as well

24When they came to Capernaum, those who collected the two-drachma tax came to Peter and said, "Does your teacher not pay the two-drachma tax?" 25He said, "Yes." And when he came into the house, Jesus spoke to him first, saying, "What do you think, Simon? From whom do the kings of the earth collect customs or poll-tax, from their sons or from strangers?" 26When Peter said, "From strangers," Jesus said to him, "Then the sons are exempt.
Matthew 17:24-27

Jesus never went off message. In all His teaching and most every lesson He taught ....He always spoke of Redemption!

GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
"From other people," Peter answered. Jesus said to him, "Then the family members are exempt.

[Clarity]

Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.

Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.

In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity

Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father


and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5

Now you believe God who is Spirit has blood also.

The blood was an offering to God...but how is this missed on one who holds error in his bosom.

So whose Blood is it actually.

1Pe_1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe_1:19  But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
Heb_9:14  How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 

And who brings the blood into the sancutary?

For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. (Heb 13:11)

Gospel you go from strength to strength with your erroneous teachings.

Become teachable!

[gospel]

Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.

Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.

In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity

Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father


and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5

Now you believe God who is Spirit has blood also.

The blood was an offering to God...but how is this missed on one who holds error in his bosom.

So whose Blood is it actually.

1Pe_1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe_1:19  But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Jn_1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

And How brings the blood into the sancutary?

For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. (Heb 13:11)

Gospel you go from strength to strength with your erroneous teachings.

Become teachable!

I feel sorry for you, truly I do....you neglect foundational truths in search of depth but you do so on a ship that is without a rudder, lost in asea in the midst of a great storm.....

Kings are Kings because they are begotten of a King

Jesus is not King of the universe because of David's bloodline

Furthermore we are begotten of fathers not mothers

Knowing that and realizing Jesus was not begotten of his earthly father Joseph was begotten of God as the scriptures say..."of Mary"

Not begotten of Mary

Begotten of God, for we as you can see in every lineage recorded in the bible, every person was begotten of the seed of their father

The father is he from whom the legacy is passed, from one generation to the next, by blood

BUT JESUS

Is Begotten of God

It's a shame you don't know that or would try to explain it away out of a complete lack of understanding....rendering yourself foolish openly and publicly for all to see how small is your knowledge of Jesus and how impotent your understanding of scripture

[Clarity]

Here in America as in much of Western society, we have little to know understanding of monarchical government. For this reason some believers miss a key element of understanding the importance of what it means that Jesus was begotten of The Father.

Kings are born....they are not and cannot be made because kingship only comes as a result of one's bloodline. In other words, if one is not born in the lineage of a king, one can never be king.

In the case of Jesus, He is The King of kings and as such it literally means that His Blood is Holy not only because it was shed out of sinless sacrifice but also because from His Birth, Jesus Blood was God's Blood, Divine, Holy, Pure, incorruptible, without sin, spotless having no stain of iniquity

Jesus Blood is The Pure and Holy Blood of God, for He is of the Royal Bloodline of the Father


and from Jesus Christ, the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To Him who loves us and released us from our sins by His blood--
Revelations 1:5

Now you believe God who is Spirit has blood also.

The blood was an offering to God...but how is this missed on one who holds error in his bosom.

So whose Blood is it actually.

1Pe_1:2  Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied.
1Pe_1:19  But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
1Jn_1:7  But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

And How brings the blood into the sancutary?

For the bodies of those beasts, whose blood is brought into the sanctuary by the high priest for sin, are burned without the camp. (Heb 13:11)

Gospel you go from strength to strength with your erroneous teachings.

Become teachable!

I feel sorry for you, truly I do....you neglect foundational truths in search of depth but you do so on a ship that is without a rudder, lost in asea in the midst of a great storm.....

Kings are Kings because they are begotten of a King

Jesus is not King of the universe because of David's bloodline

Furthermore we are begotten of fathers not mothers

Knowing that and realizing Jesus was not begotten of his earthly father Joseph was begotten of God as the scriptures say..."of Mary"

Not begotten of Mary

Begotten of God, for we as you can see in every lineage recorded in the bible, every person was begotten of the seed of their father

The father is he from whom the legacy is passed, from one generation to the next, by blood

BUT JESUS

Is Begotten of God

It's a shame you don't know that or would try to explain it away out of a complete lack of understanding....rendering yourself foolish openly and publicly for all to see how small is your knowledge of Jesus and how impotent your understanding of scripture

Is God a High Priest?

Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; (Heb 8:1)

Who set the High Priest at the right hand of the Father? 

What Power "Seated Down" the Lord Jesus Christ on the throne on High?

If a High Priest in fact interceeds between God and Man and we know this is the Man Jesus Christ - Who is God?

If if God is the one to whom all things must be brought too who is He who sent the interessor?

Intercessor: One who goes between, or intercedes; a mediator. (a) One who interposes between parties at variance (God and Man), with a view to reconcile them. (b) One who pleads in behalf of another.

If Jesus is the prophet greater than Moses and we know Christ is a man...

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;(1Ti 2:5)

What will you return with Gospel?

Substance or more of the same.

[grace]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

[Clarity]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

I like this Grace thank you.

Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?

And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)

Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.

Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

[gospel]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

Now there's a person who understands Kingdom theology as it has been given us in the Gospel of the Kingdom

[Clarity]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

Now there's a person who understands Kingdom theology as it has been given us in the Gospel of the Kingdom

Weak Gospel Weak!

And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)

The Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King?

You have no answers Gospel - you say one thing and the Bible teaches another.

When will you come clean!

[grace]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

I like this Grace thank you.

Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?

And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)

Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.

Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

I do not deny the power of the Holy  Spirit!

[Clarity]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

I like this Grace thank you.

Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?

And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)

Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.

Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

I do not deny the power of the Holy  Spirit!

Grace, I never said you did.

Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?

[grace]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

I like this Grace thank you.

Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?

And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)

Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.

Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

I do not deny the power of the Holy  Spirit!

Grace, I never said you did.

Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?

Yes! Even in their unity...
Just as the church is to Jesus
The wife is to the husband
Jesus is to God

[Clarity]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

I like this Grace thank you.

Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?

And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)

Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.

Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

I do not deny the power of the Holy  Spirit!

Grace, I never said you did.

Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?

Yes! Even in their unity...
Just as the church is to Jesus
The wife is to the husband
Jesus is to God

So in this admission you do not believe Jesus is God? as you dont believe the Bride is the Husband?

Though they manifest the same love and are one in mind and purpose.

[grace]

A king is also a "lord."  King is to dominion (authority), while lord (territory, ownership) relates to domain.
We are Citizens or stewards, not owners.
Our greatest confession "Jesus Christ is Lord."  We have no more rights to our own life.
Thanksgiving is acknowledgement of His Lordship. 
He is either Lord of all, or He is not Lord at all.
The good news of the Kingdom that Jesus preached is not just that we can have our sins forgiven, but also that we can have our Kingdom back that Adam lost. 

[grace]

Jesus! Yes..King of kings..

A king is never voted into power he is born into it.
A king cannot be voted out of power.  He rules by right of creation. Rev.11:15
A king's authority is absolute.
A king's word is law. ( the Bible)
A king owns everything in his domain. (Ps. 24:1
A king's decree is unchanging. (Is. 40:8)
A king chooses who will be a citizen. (John 15:16-19)
A king embodies the government of his kingdom. When the king speaks the whole kingdom speaks.
The king's presence is the presence of his authority. (Matthew 18:18; John 14:13-14) Kingdom citizens may always exercise kingly authority because the king is always present with them.
A king's prosperity is measured by the status of his citizens.
A king's name is the essence of his authority.  The King's name carries the same authority as the King Himself, and all who carry His name can operate in His authority.
A king's citizenry represents his glory. Kingdom citizens are to reflect the nature and character of their King.

I like this Grace thank you.

Imagine for a moment the power behind this King?

And when all things shall be subdued unto Jesus, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto God that put all things under Jesus, that God may be all in all. (1Co 15:28)

Once again Grace, imagine the Power of the Strong One who appointed Jesus Christ as King? If indeed you believe all these things...for who gave him everything.

Yahweh the God of Abraham, Isaac and Israel....AND the God and Father of the Lord Jesus Christ

I do not deny the power of the Holy  Spirit!

Grace, I never said you did.

Can you see how the King is subject to One greater than he?

Yes! Even in their unity...
Just as the church is to Jesus
The wife is to the husband
Jesus is to God

So in this admission you do not believe Jesus is God? as you dont believe the Bride is the Husband?

Though they manifest the same love and are one in mind and purpose.

Yes, I do believe that Jesus is 100% God and 100% man!

[Johnb]

Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God.  Then how can he also be the savior of the world?  Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules.  If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban.  If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed.  This forum is for discussion of traditional views.  Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.

[Johnb]

Because of Bittersweet's public questioning of a moserator I split the last couple of post and put them in the dumpster. 

[Debbie_55]

1 Peter 2:9, 10
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.

The precious blood of Jesus that did call us out of our darkness unto His marvelous light that has made us a royal priesthood that we can sing praises to His name.

[Clarity]

Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God.  Then how can he also be the savior of the world?  Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules.  If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban.  If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed.  This forum is for discussion of traditional views.  Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.

Hi John,

Jesus is eternal but as you would agree eternal does not mean he is from everlasting to everlasting. If you were glorified and took on the divine nature it could be said you are now eternal...though you were not prevoiusly.

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.(Rom 8:19)

Christ is included in the verse John - you cannot remove him though many would try.  Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons who will be eternal creatures on earth.

John, surely you would be aware of the many verses that teach Jesus is a created being. First begotten, first born, creature, Son of Man etc.

Any sound Bible student cannot avoid these truth's by focusing on what he "became" after his death, ressurection and ascension.

Leave it with.

Clarity.

[Johnb]

No I do not agree.  The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God.  What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being.  That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God.  This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum.  Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.

[Lively Stone]

A king is also a "lord."  King is to dominion (authority), while lord (territory, ownership) relates to domain.
We are Citizens or stewards, not owners.
Our greatest confession "Jesus Christ is Lord."  We have no more rights to our own life.
Thanksgiving is acknowledgement of His Lordship. 
He is either Lord of all, or He is not Lord at all.
The good news of the Kingdom that Jesus preached is not just that we can have our sins forgiven, but also that we can have our Kingdom back that Adam lost.

Amen, grace, and manna to you!

Jesus is Lord!

[Lively Stone]

No I do not agree.  The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God.  What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being.  That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God.  This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum.  Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.

IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.

[Clarity]

No I do not agree.  The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God.  What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being.  That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God.  This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum.  Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.

IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.

The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood. 

I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.

[Lively Stone]

No I do not agree.  The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God.  What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being.  That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God.  This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum.  Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.

IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.

The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood. 

I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.

It actually shows by comparison just how bad your theology is.

Jesus as God incarnate shed His own innocent blood as the requirement for the atonement for all sin. Our eternal life depends upon that blood.

[Clarity]

No I do not agree.  The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God.  What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being.  That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God.  This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum.  Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.

IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.

The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood. 

I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.

It actually shows by comparison just how bad your theology is.

Jesus as God incarnate shed His own innocent blood as the requirement for the atonement for all sin. Our eternal life depends upon that blood.

Lots of words strung together which have no bearing on the Truth - you cannot take me to a passage to prove any of this - you may as well quote from some fairytale...for it would more inspiration than your words.

[Lively Stone]

No I do not agree.  The new testament clearly teachs the Jesus is God.  What you are teaching is esentually the same doctrine that Mormons teach that Jesus is a mere created being.  That nulifies Him as the only begotten Son of God and the perfect Lamb of God.  This is not traditional Christian theology and does not belong in the theology forum.  Therefore I will move it to the non traitional forum.

IMHO---I don't understand why a thread that has a perfectly good OP gets moved to Non-Traditional because one non-traditional poster comes in and messes with it. It is not a Non-Traditional subject.

The thread was a disaster from the outset; it shows how absurd your Jesus is God theology is when fools begin teaching the blood was Gods actual blood. 

I am astounded the mods didnt trash it.

It actually shows by comparison just how bad your theology is.

Jesus as God incarnate shed His own innocent blood as the requirement for the atonement for all sin. Our eternal life depends upon that blood.

Lots of words strung together which have no bearing on the Truth - you cannot take me to a passage to prove any of this - you may as well quote from some fairytale...for it would more inspiration than your words.

Brethren in Christ wouldn't say what you have just said. You have just made yourself an enemy of Christ.

[Lively Stone]

Romans 5:9
And since we have been made right in God's sight by the blood of Christ, he will certainly save us from God's condemnation.

[grace]

Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God.  Then how can he also be the savior of the world?  Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules.  If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban.  If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed.  This forum is for discussion of traditional views.  Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.

Hi John,

Jesus is eternal but as you would agree eternal does not mean he is from everlasting to everlasting. If you were glorified and took on the divine nature it could be said you are now eternal...though you were not prevoiusly.

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.(Rom 8:19)

Christ is included in the verse John - you cannot remove him though many would try.  Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons who will be eternal creatures on earth.

John, surely you would be aware of the many verses that teach Jesus is a created being. First begotten, first born, creature, Son of Man etc.

Any sound Bible student cannot avoid these truth's by focusing on what he "became" after his death, ressurection and ascension.

Leave it with.

Clarity.

Didn't Jesus manifest God while he was on earth?
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts?

Doesn't Jesus claim himself to be God?
In the Old Testament, the prophet Isaiah quoted Jehovah as saying that He (Jehovah) is "the first and the last." In the New Testament, Jesus says that He (Jesus) is "the First and the Last." Jesus is Jehovah God.

[Clarity]

Clarity
If I am understanding you correctly you are denying that Jesus is eternal and therefore not God.  Then how can he also be the savior of the world?  Please be clear because at this point I view you as teaching a different religion than Christianity which is not the purpose of this board and against forum rules.  If this is the case I will be obligated to submitt you to be ban.  If you view yourself as a Christian with non traditional views we have a subforum for those views to be discussed.  This forum is for discussion of traditional views.  Belief that Jesus is a created being and not eternal is clearly outside traditional Christian theology.

Hi John,

Jesus is eternal but as you would agree eternal does not mean he is from everlasting to everlasting. If you were glorified and took on the divine nature it could be said you are now eternal...though you were not prevoiusly.

For the earnest expectation of the creature waiteth for the manifestation of the sons of God.(Rom 8:19)

Christ is included in the verse John - you cannot remove him though many would try.  Jesus is the firstborn of many Sons who will be eternal creatures on earth.

John, surely you would be aware of the many verses that teach Jesus is a created being. First begotten, first born, creature, Son of Man etc.

Any sound Bible student cannot avoid these truth's by focusing on what he "became" after his death, ressurection and ascension.

Leave it with.

Clarity.

Didn't Jesus manifest God while he was on earth? YES
Don't we manifest the the Holy Spirit through the gifts? YOU DONT HAVE THE HOLY SPIRIT

Doesn't Jesus claim himself to be God? NO
In the Old Testament, the prophet Isaiah quoted Jehovah as saying that He (Jehovah) is "the first and the last." In the New Testament, Jesus says that He (Jesus) is "the First and the Last." Jesus is Jehovah God.  GOD CREATES THE FIRST AND THE LAST _ GOD HIMSELF HAS NO BEGINNING _ JESUS DOES.