Do you worship the spirit or in the spirit?

[grace]

I did not say it was my way or no way! I explained who and how I worship!

People that aren't spirit filled were excluded, pray for wisdom to impart instructions for them that need it most.

Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Again, I did not mean to be prejudice or exclude anyone!
There is none righteous! all are sinners!

[Bitter Sweet]

I did not say it was my way or no way! I explained who and how I worship!

People that aren't spirit filled were excluded, pray for wisdom to impart instructions for them that need it most.

Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Again, I did not mean to be prejudice or exclude anyone!
There is none righteous! all are sinners!

Grace isn't a doorway for immorality. Noah, Joseph, Simeon, Abel, Zechariah, Lot, Abraham, Paul, Silas and Timothy, these people are righteous, the bible say's so.

[grace]

I did not say it was my way or no way! I explained who and how I worship!

People that aren't spirit filled were excluded, pray for wisdom to impart instructions for them that need it most.

Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."

Again, I did not mean to be prejudice or exclude anyone!
There is none righteous! all are sinners!

Grace isn't a doorway for immorality. Noah, Joseph, Simeon, Abel, Zechariah, Lot, Abraham, Paul, Silas and Timothy, these people are righteous, the bible say's so.

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

But they were made righteous the same way we are, are they not?

When we place our trust in Jesus as our Savior then we receive righteousness from God, which means that we become blameless and free from the guilt of our sins. Our sins are placed into Jesus' bank account, so to speak, and His righteousness is placed into our account.


"For in the gospel a righteousness from God is revealed, a righteousness that is by faith from first to last, just as it is written: "The righteous will live by faith."" (Romans 1:17)

"This righteousness from God comes through faith in Jesus Christ to all who believe." (Romans 3:22)

"not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ --the righteousness that comes from God and is by faith." (Philippians 3:9)

[Bitter Sweet]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

[grace]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

[Lively Stone]

Bias has nothing to do with it. You simply submit all you've got to Holy Spirit, and submit to complete worship and adoration of the Lord, and He will come and fill you to overflowing with His presence.

Lively Stone,

Are you saying anyone can "pray in tongues" if they just submit completely to God? I read that Katy Perry told Rolling Stone that she prayed in tongues regularly. Hmmm, interesting... I won't even let my young children listen to her music. Do you even have to be a believer and follower of Jesus Christ to speak with tongues, to pray in tongues etc? I've read many of the pagans in Paul's day did the same. Are you a Pentecostal? Just curious.

if you have the baptism of Holy Spirit, you can pray in tongues. The prophetic gift of tongues is something only a few have, but the grace gift to be able to pray in tongues, anyone who has experienced the baptism can use.

[Lively Stone]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

How right you are Bitter Sweet !!!!!!
The WORD is not irrellevant...far from it.....But the Spirit of God perfects it !!!!
If one does not obey His Word how can one obey His Spirit ?

If you don't have the Spirit, you cannot obey the word, or even understand it.

[Lively Stone]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

The God I worship isn't the God of this world. Sorry, no can do.

Oops, I read world instead of word, my bad. I just can't get into your word regularly. 

You are right again Bitter Sweet !!!

It is obvious from our disagreements with traditional christians that we (you and I in this case) do not worship the same God as they do. Theirs is the god of this world who allows disobedience and personal interpretation of scripture and even quoting it.
But the Holy SPirit of our Father requires obedience and respect to HIs WORD. Jesus had to learn obedience....is any less expected from those who are being conformed to HIS image Heb.5v8,9; Rom.8v29.??

You don't see she made a mistake in her post? Or did you see it anyway and then jump on the opportunity to decry everyone in order to laud yourself?

How pathetic.

[Willie T]

Are you saying anyone can "pray in tongues" if they just submit completely to God? I read that Katy Perry told Rolling Stone that she prayed in tongues regularly. Hmmm, interesting... I won't even let my young children listen to her music. Do you even have to be a believer and follower of Jesus Christ to speak with tongues, to pray in tongues etc? I've read many of the pagans in Paul's day did the same. Are you a Pentecostal? Just curious.

Seriously, Raggy?  Obama says he is a Christian too.  Does that keep you from praying to a God he probably doesn't even know?

[Lively Stone]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

The God I worship isn't the God of this world. Sorry, no can do.

What are you talking about? Do you think the word of God is of this world? If you aren't into the word at least daily, you can't expect to receive any revelation from God, or hope to live it. You can't live the word if you don't know it. It is through the written word that God primarily speaks to us.

READING the Word of God is of little or no effect UNLESS we also put it into ACTION.
To be fair many try to do that but in general they baulk or reject the 10 Commandments, especially God's holy sabbath. This is a violation of His Command and is not overlooked By GOD. They may quote Rom.14 as much as they like ...but Paul is not above God, besides being badly misunderstood ! Paul never changed the law.

You need to crack open the Book if you want to know the will of God.

[Lively Stone]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

I can see you are being played with, and words are being attributed to you that we can all see that you NEVER said.

[Willie T]

Beta,
Are you sitting there saying you have kept the 10 commandments?  All of them?

I think we all know better than that.

[MeMyself]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

The God I worship isn't the God of this world. Sorry, no can do.

Oops, I read world instead of word, my bad. I just can't get into your word regularly. 

You are right again Bitter Sweet !!!

It is obvious from our disagreements with traditional christians that we (you and I in this case) do not worship the same God as they do. Theirs is the god of this world who allows disobedience and personal interpretation of scripture and even quoting it.
But the Holy SPirit of our Father requires obedience and respect to HIs WORD. Jesus had to learn obedience....is any less expected from those who are being conformed to HIS image Heb.5v8,9; Rom.8v29.??

What an absolutely arrogant, divisive, haughty, judgmental attitude, Beta! 

Proverbs 6:16-19"There are six things the Lord hates,

seven that are detestable to him:

haughty eyes,

a lying tongue,

hands that shed innocent blood,

a heart that devises wicked schemes,

feet that are quick to rush into evil,

a false witness who pours out lies

and a man who stirs up dissension among brothers."
______
And, Jesus never had to learn obedience!  Jesus is God!

You pass judgment on people's salvation and the God they serve based on rule following...just like the Pharisees did.
Jesus said its the matter of the heart that is the issue.
He said "You have heard that it was said, 'You shall not commit adultery.' But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart."  That means everyone who was "obeying" the 10 commandments and was patting themselves on the back for being so much better than everyone else had better think again..because it wasn't just action that was judged..it is the attitudes of the heart!

[chosenone]

please note that it is against the rules  to say or imply that anyone here isnt a true believer  or that they dont worship the true  God. I have sent one post by you Beta to the dumpster for that reason.

[MeMyself]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

I can see you are being played with, and words are being attributed to you that we can all see that you NEVER said.

To you, Grace

[Willie T]

Frankly, the box-over-box system of quoting this BBS uses is one of the most confusing and cluttered I think I've ever seen.

[Lively Stone]

Frankly, the box-over-box system of quoting this BBS uses is one of the most confusing and cluttered I think I've ever seen.

(It's not bad when one quotes one or two posts, but when we get a huge long ladder---we have a problem!)

[MeMyself]

To be fair many try to do that but in general they baulk or reject the 10 Commandments,

How can you possibly know this?  That Christians baulk at the 10 commandments?

especially God's holy sabbath.

Oh!  Because a day matters more to God than the heart.... THAT alone is what He is going to use to judge between the sheep and the goats. 

This is a violation of His Command and is not overlooked By GOD.

This obviously is a sin for you, so I would NEVER do anything to cause to to stumble...but can you offer the same grace?
I will not pass judgment on you, or insist you give up your sabbath keeping to show you are a true follower of Christ and let Him be your sabbath rest...because I understand how important and precious it is to you, and I want you to have a clear conscience before the Lord...and I believe whether we worship on Wednesday, Tuesday, Saturday or Sunday, its JESUS who is worshipped, and THAT is the important thing!

They may quote Rom.14 as much as they like ...

Thanks!  I will!  Why? Because it promotes what Jesus prayed for in the garden that fateful night!  That we.would.be.one!
Romans 14:13 Therefore let us stop passing judgment on one another. Instead, make up your mind not to put any stumbling block or obstacle in your brother's way.

...but Paul is not above God,

Paul's words were inspired by God through the Holy Spirit.  God was speaking through him.

besides being badly misunderstood ! Paul never changed the law.

No he is not.  And, he never did change the law...the law is to show us how we fall so short of God's perfection, His standard..and why we need our Savior Jesus Christ.
Some thought they could follow it good enough to impress God, but Jesus came and blew their doors off by showing the heart must be as innocent as inaction for it to be truly good enough...who can measure up to that? NONE (except Jesus the standard bearer)...and so we need to humble our hearts before Him. When we do that, we begin to recognize the amazing grace that is offered to us and are compelled to turn and show just a hint of it to others.

[Lively Stone]

Good job as usual, MeMyself!

[raggthyme76]

Are you saying anyone can "pray in tongues" if they just submit completely to God? I read that Katy Perry told Rolling Stone that she prayed in tongues regularly. Hmmm, interesting... I won't even let my young children listen to her music. Do you even have to be a believer and follower of Jesus Christ to speak with tongues, to pray in tongues etc? I've read many of the pagans in Paul's day did the same. Are you a Pentecostal? Just curious.

Seriously, Raggy?  Obama says he is a Christian too.  Does that keep you from praying to a God he probably doesn't even know?

Good point WillieT, I'm just skeptical about this tongues thing. When I was young I saw some very frightful things in a Pentecostal church, even a child looked like he was possessed, shaking around violently and falling to the floor, babbling what they called tongues. How can one know what is genuinely from God? Especially when others who are not followers of Jesus have spoken with tongues, pagans and such.

[Bitter Sweet]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

Look at the first quote in this box, you said it was after I said it isn't. The testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. I suggested you pray for wisdom, instead of agreeing that grace isn't a doorway for immorality, you say you never said it was and condemned yourself with your own words. Am I not allowed to mention anything from scripture without you denying that you say the opposite?

BTW, you have just stated it again in this last quote from you. Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. It's not scriptural to say that it is so why would you quote scripture?

Just pray for some wisdom, it's not a bad suggestion.

[grace]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

Look at the first quote in this box, you said it was after I said it isn't. The testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. I suggested you pray for wisdom, instead of agreeing that grace isn't a doorway for immorality, you say you never said it was and condemned yourself with your own words. Am I not allowed to mention anything from scripture without you denying that you say the opposite?

BTW, you have just stated it again in this last quote from you. Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. It's not scriptural to say that it is so why would you quote scripture?

Just pray for some wisdom, it's not a bad suggestion.

I thought you were insinuating that I thought Grace was a doorway for immorality. I simply said I did not recall stating that anywhere on this thread!

I don't know where you are going with all this Bitter Sweet? Or what I said to get you all upset...UNLESS...it was my testimony of how I worshipped..

[Beta]

And, Jesus never had to learn obedience!  Jesus is God!

Perhaps somebody made a mistake penning Heb.5v8.....or do you disagree 

[Willie T]

And, Jesus never had to learn obedience!  Jesus is God!

Perhaps somebody made a mistake penning Heb.5v8.....or do you disagree 

I think you'll find that refers to:

Philippians 2:8
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

[Bitter Sweet]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

Look at the first quote in this box, you said it was after I said it isn't. The testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. I suggested you pray for wisdom, instead of agreeing that grace isn't a doorway for immorality, you say you never said it was and condemned yourself with your own words. Am I not allowed to mention anything from scripture without you denying that you say the opposite?

BTW, you have just stated it again in this last quote from you. Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. It's not scriptural to say that it is so why would you quote scripture?

Just pray for some wisdom, it's not a bad suggestion.

I thought you were insinuating that I thought Grace was a doorway for immorality. I simply said I did not recall stating that anywhere on this thread!

I don't know where you are going with all this Bitter Sweet? Or what I said to get you all upset...UNLESS...it was my testimony of how I worshipped..

Well it did start by with your testimony excluding people that aren't spirit filled. Not nice, we are supposed to help those people, the righteous don't need a doctor. You were basically speaking for nothing because it was of no use for people that are not filled with the spirit. Then you denied saying something while saying it, words are very precious to God and we are held accountable for everything we say. Please don't take this as me against you but us for God.

Matthew 12:36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

[Beta]

Memyself,
I believe the ultimate judgement is not according to man's heart which according to Jer.17v9 is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.....but rather according to Rev.20v12; which were judged out of the book of LIFE and what was written THERE.

[Beta]

And, Jesus never had to learn obedience!  Jesus is God!

Perhaps somebody made a mistake penning Heb.5v8.....or do you disagree 

I think you'll find that refers to:

Philippians 2:8
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

So what are you saying Willie...
that our humanity has nothing to do with Jesus' humanity ?
Isn't that where we should start

Doesn't scripture talk about children of obedience and children of DISobedience ?

[Willie T]

And, Jesus never had to learn obedience!  Jesus is God!

Perhaps somebody made a mistake penning Heb.5v8.....or do you disagree 

I think you'll find that refers to:

Philippians 2:8
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

So what are you saying Willie...
that our humanity has nothing to do with Jesus' humanity ?
Isn't that where we should start

Doesn't scripture talk about children of obedience and children of DISobedience ?

No.  You were quite obviously trying to say that Jesus did wrong at times like the rest of us (dont all kids lie, steal, act selfish, often hit one another, etc?  Of course they do.), and therefore had to learn (be taught) obedience.  I was pointing out that behavior like that would not have existed in someone who NEVER SINNED.  I pointed out that the OBEDIENCE spoken of there was going to the cross.

[WILDJC]

John 4:23 23 Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth[/b], for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks. 24 God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth."

What's the difference between worshiping a spirit and worshiping in the spirit? There are 2 requirements mentioned in this verse, spirit and truth, God is spirit and as worshipers we must be in Spirit and Truth.

Hello Sister.

I worship in the Spirit. When I pray, I give thanks to the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, my Comforter. It's interesting to note that the only sin not to be forgiven is the blaspheme of the Holy Spirit. So, in essence, I also worship the Holy Spirit as the wonderful gift Jesus imparted to us.

Amen.

May all of our brothers and sisters stop quarreling and give each other a virtual hug? Please. Pretty please? With sugar on top?


Thanks.


John

[grace]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

Look at the first quote in this box, you said it was after I said it isn't. The testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. I suggested you pray for wisdom, instead of agreeing that grace isn't a doorway for immorality, you say you never said it was and condemned yourself with your own words. Am I not allowed to mention anything from scripture without you denying that you say the opposite?

BTW, you have just stated it again in this last quote from you. Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. It's not scriptural to say that it is so why would you quote scripture?

Just pray for some wisdom, it's not a bad suggestion.

I thought you were insinuating that I thought Grace was a doorway for immorality. I simply said I did not recall stating that anywhere on this thread!

I don't know where you are going with all this Bitter Sweet? Or what I said to get you all upset...UNLESS...it was my testimony of how I worshipped..

Well it did start by with your testimony excluding people that aren't spirit filled. Not nice, we are supposed to help those people, the righteous don't need a doctor. You were basically speaking for nothing because it was of no use for people that are not filled with the spirit. Then you denied saying something while saying it, words are very precious to God and we are held accountable for everything we say. Please don't take this as me against you but us for God.

Matthew 12:36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

  I have read the thread several times and still do not understand what the problem is!

I did not mean to offend anyone by my comment about only those that are spirit filled will understand. But I guess maybe I was right because I was asked to explain myself. 

1 Cor. 2 shows that God reveals things to us through our spirit. It is this spirit that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Not through man's wisdom, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth: comparing spiritual things with spiritual. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is with our spirit that we worship, understand and discern...

That said...Bitter Sweet...we just do not communicate very well! Too many misunderstandings! So I will just let it go and the readers can try to figure it out...because I still do not understand how you got so offended!

[Bitter Sweet]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

Look at the first quote in this box, you said it was after I said it isn't. The testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. I suggested you pray for wisdom, instead of agreeing that grace isn't a doorway for immorality, you say you never said it was and condemned yourself with your own words. Am I not allowed to mention anything from scripture without you denying that you say the opposite?

BTW, you have just stated it again in this last quote from you. Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. It's not scriptural to say that it is so why would you quote scripture?

Just pray for some wisdom, it's not a bad suggestion.

I thought you were insinuating that I thought Grace was a doorway for immorality. I simply said I did not recall stating that anywhere on this thread!

I don't know where you are going with all this Bitter Sweet? Or what I said to get you all upset...UNLESS...it was my testimony of how I worshipped..

Well it did start by with your testimony excluding people that aren't spirit filled. Not nice, we are supposed to help those people, the righteous don't need a doctor. You were basically speaking for nothing because it was of no use for people that are not filled with the spirit. Then you denied saying something while saying it, words are very precious to God and we are held accountable for everything we say. Please don't take this as me against you but us for God.

Matthew 12:36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

  I have read the thread several times and still do not understand what the problem is!

I did not mean to offend anyone by my comment about only those that are spirit filled will understand. But I guess maybe I was right because I was asked to explain myself. 

1 Cor. 2 shows that God reveals things to us through our spirit. It is this spirit that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Not through man's wisdom, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth: comparing spiritual things with spiritual. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is with our spirit that we worship, understand and discern...

That said...Bitter Sweet...we just do not communicate very well! Too many misunderstandings! So I will just let it go and the readers can try to figure it out...because I still do not understand how you got so offended!

I wasn't offended, just showing you error.

You say you worship in the spirit, but it comes across as a self serving spirit because you are unable to reach those that aren't spirit filled. You stated that people without the spirit won't understand, what kind of a spirit are you worshiping in that isn't able to help others to understand? I wonder why you aren't understanding me too.

I suggested you pray for wisdom, if you don't think it's necessary don't do it.

[Beta]

And, Jesus never had to learn obedience!  Jesus is God!

Perhaps somebody made a mistake penning Heb.5v8.....or do you disagree 

I think you'll find that refers to:

Philippians 2:8
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

So what are you saying Willie...
that our humanity has nothing to do with Jesus' humanity ?
Isn't that where we should start

Doesn't scripture talk about children of obedience and children of DISobedience ?

No.  You were quite obviously trying to say that Jesus did wrong at times like the rest of us (dont all kids lie, steal, act selfish, often hit one another, etc?  Of course they do.), and therefore had to learn (be taught) obedience.  I was pointing out that behavior like that would not have existed in someone who NEVER SINNED.  I pointed out that the OBEDIENCE spoken of there was going to the cross.

Willie, you are reading into scripture something I did not say or you thought I implied !
HE Jesus would not have been naughty in the sense we are as children but there were issues to be resolved as when he stayed behind in Jerusalem and his parents looked for him for several days. Lk.2v48-51 In the end he returned home and was 'subject to them. And going to the cross too he showed obedience and subjection to God his Father. It was not all 'cut and dried and easy for him as a Human....nor was the life of the Apostles most of whom lost their lives in horrible ways.
If Jesus has done it all for us why did they (the saints) have to go through it too ? Why do some of us have to be killed as they were ? To be conformed to Jesus' image one has to suffer as He did.
Obedience is obedience whatever form it has to take....unto death if necessary !.

[grace]

Don't recall saying that Grace was a doorway for immorality? 

You just said it was in this quote, I said it isn't and so does the bible. No wonder you are confused.

Romans 6:1  What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2 By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3 Or don't you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4 We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

My only confusion is coming from your replies right now! 
Where did I say what you say I am saying?
I never said that Grace was a doorway for immorality! I don't recall quoting that scripture! Are you confusing my post with someone else?

Look at the first quote in this box, you said it was after I said it isn't. The testimony of Jesus is spirit of prophecy. I suggested you pray for wisdom, instead of agreeing that grace isn't a doorway for immorality, you say you never said it was and condemned yourself with your own words. Am I not allowed to mention anything from scripture without you denying that you say the opposite?

BTW, you have just stated it again in this last quote from you. Proverbs 17:28 Even a fool is thought wise if he keeps silent, and discerning if he holds his tongue. It's not scriptural to say that it is so why would you quote scripture?

Just pray for some wisdom, it's not a bad suggestion.

I thought you were insinuating that I thought Grace was a doorway for immorality. I simply said I did not recall stating that anywhere on this thread!

I don't know where you are going with all this Bitter Sweet? Or what I said to get you all upset...UNLESS...it was my testimony of how I worshipped..

Well it did start by with your testimony excluding people that aren't spirit filled. Not nice, we are supposed to help those people, the righteous don't need a doctor. You were basically speaking for nothing because it was of no use for people that are not filled with the spirit. Then you denied saying something while saying it, words are very precious to God and we are held accountable for everything we say. Please don't take this as me against you but us for God.

Matthew 12:36 But I tell you that men will have to give account on the day of judgment for every careless word they have spoken.

  I have read the thread several times and still do not understand what the problem is!

I did not mean to offend anyone by my comment about only those that are spirit filled will understand. But I guess maybe I was right because I was asked to explain myself. 

1 Cor. 2 shows that God reveals things to us through our spirit. It is this spirit that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. Not through man's wisdom, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth: comparing spiritual things with spiritual. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God; for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

It is with our spirit that we worship, understand and discern...

That said...Bitter Sweet...we just do not communicate very well! Too many misunderstandings! So I will just let it go and the readers can try to figure it out...because I still do not understand how you got so offended!

I wasn't offended, just showing you error.

You say you worship in the spirit, but it comes across as a self serving spirit because you are unable to reach those that aren't spirit filled. You stated that people without the spirit won't understand, what kind of a spirit are you worshiping in that isn't able to help others to understand? I wonder why you aren't understanding me too.

I suggested you pray for wisdom, if you don't think it's necessary don't do it.

[MeMyself]

And, Jesus never had to learn obedience!  Jesus is God!

Perhaps somebody made a mistake penning Heb.5v8.....or do you disagree 

I think you'll find that refers to:

Philippians 2:8
8 And being found in appearance as a man,
    he humbled himself
    by becoming obedient to death—
        even death on a cross!

  Thank you, Willie! Our internet was down...glad to know you got His back. 

[MeMyself]

Memyself,
I believe the ultimate judgement is not according to man's heart which according to Jer.17v9 is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.....but rather according to Rev.20v12; which were judged out of the book of LIFE and what was written THERE.

Right...and how does one get written in there, Beta? Through Jesus (who is the only way to the Father) IN the heart of those that believe He is Lord!