Do you worship the spirit or in the spirit?

[Bitter Sweet]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

[Willie T]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

I may well have missed it, but I don't think a single person here has said they worship the Holy Spirit. 

[Willie T]

You are absolutely correct I do not believe in man made doctrines and I especially don't believe in adding anything to the bible!

Didn't you say your husband "Looks like Jesus"?  One of your "proofs" that he is your "reward"?

Well, that is totally man-made.  No one on Earth knows what Jesus looks  (or looked) like.

[chosenone]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

We worship God the Father, through Jesus the Son, with The Holy Spirit who is in us.  The Father the Son and The Holy Spirit. Three in one.The Holy Spirit is God IN us, and is, among other things, our helper.

[Lively Stone]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

We worship God the Father, through Jesus the Son, with The Holy Spirit who is in us.  The Father the Son and The Holy Spirit. Three in one.The Holy Spirit is God IN us, and is, among other things, our helper.

Right. those who denigrate Holy Spirit by non-acceptance of who He is---well, how can they know Him?

[raggthyme76]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

I may well have missed it, but I don't think a single person here has said they worship the Holy Spirit. 

If God is a trinity and you worship God (3 in 1), you worship this trinity, and if the Holy Spirit is the third person of this trinity, then you must worship the Holy Spirit.

Where is this logic flawed?

[Willie T]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

I may well have missed it, but I don't think a single person here has said they worship the Holy Spirit. 

If God is a trinity and you worship God (3 in 1), you worship this trinity, and if the Holy Spirit is the third person of this trinity, then you must worship the Holy Spirit.

Where is this logic flawed?

No more flawed than this:

God is perfect.  Therefore if you worship (honor, adore, glorify) God, you are worshiping perfection.  The same can be said of any of the attritubutes of God the Bible speaks of... love, truth, mercy, grace, longsuffering, compassion, etc.... and on and on.

Sorry, your silliness is contagious... I got carried away with it.

[raggthyme76]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

I may well have missed it, but I don't think a single person here has said they worship the Holy Spirit. 

If God is a trinity and you worship God (3 in 1), you worship this trinity, and if the Holy Spirit is the third person of this trinity, then you must worship the Holy Spirit.

Where is this logic flawed?

No more flawed than this:

God is perfect.  Therefore if you worship (honor, adore, glorify) God, you are worshiping perfection.  The same can be said of any of the attritubutes of God the Bible speaks of... love, truth, mercy, grace, longsuffering, compassion, etc.... and on and on.

Sorry, your silliness is contagious... I got carried away with it.

What's so silly about God being 3 in 1, to a trinitarian nonetheless? If God is 3 in 1 don't you worship God as such? Or do you only worship parts of Him?

If you are somehow implying that the Holy Spirit is an attribute of God, then you are not truly a trinitarian, friend.

[raggthyme76]

From a true trinitarian:

Let us study reverently the following hymn of Reginald Heber, who was inspired
  by this seraphic praise...

  "Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord God Almighty!
  Early in the morning our song shall rise to Thee;
  Holy, holy, holy, merciful and mighty!
  God in three Persons, blessed Trinity!

  Holy, Holy, Holy! All the saints adore Thee,
  Casting down their golden crowns around the glassy sea;
  Cherubim and seraphim falling down before Thee,
  Which wert, and art, and evermore shalt be."

   True Worship: 
  God dwelling eternally as One God in three Persons has inspired awe and wonder in the hearts of man, enlightening ,enriching and elevating his view of Almighty God. It is the Light of Truth which has provoked worship and adoration to the Blessed Trinity.

  This worship entails worship of the Godhead as Father, Son and Holy Ghost (Spirit). It is their own divine position as clearly demonstrated through the Old and New Testament that these three are God in distinction of Persons.......
   
     ● Our Christian faith is in One God existing in three distinct Persons.   
    ● We worship God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

Do you think this person worships the Holy Spirit?

[Willie T]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

I may well have missed it, but I don't think a single person here has said they worship the Holy Spirit. 

If God is a trinity and you worship God (3 in 1), you worship this trinity, and if the Holy Spirit is the third person of this trinity, then you must worship the Holy Spirit.

Where is this logic flawed?

No more flawed than this:

God is perfect.  Therefore if you worship (honor, adore, glorify) God, you are worshiping perfection.  The same can be said of any of the attritubutes of God the Bible speaks of... love, truth, mercy, grace, longsuffering, compassion, etc.... and on and on.

Sorry, your silliness is contagious... I got carried away with it.

What's so silly about God being 3 in 1, to a trinitarian nonetheless? If God is 3 in 1 don't you worship God as such? Or do you only worship parts of Him?

If you are somehow implying that the Holy Spirit is an attribute of God, then you are not truly a trinitarian, friend.

Well, I'm just human.  If you can read the short chapter of Genesis 1, and not see clearly, God and his Spirit (a Holy Spirit, by the way), then I guess you'll have to remain in denial till God gets your attention some other way.

[raggthyme76]

For those that do worship the spirit in the trinity doctrine, please show some bible verse that true worshipers do that. Specifically where it says to worship the trinity.

I may well have missed it, but I don't think a single person here has said they worship the Holy Spirit. 

If God is a trinity and you worship God (3 in 1), you worship this trinity, and if the Holy Spirit is the third person of this trinity, then you must worship the Holy Spirit.

Where is this logic flawed?

No more flawed than this:

God is perfect.  Therefore if you worship (honor, adore, glorify) God, you are worshiping perfection.  The same can be said of any of the attritubutes of God the Bible speaks of... love, truth, mercy, grace, longsuffering, compassion, etc.... and on and on.

Sorry, your silliness is contagious... I got carried away with it.

What's so silly about God being 3 in 1, to a trinitarian nonetheless? If God is 3 in 1 don't you worship God as such? Or do you only worship parts of Him?

If you are somehow implying that the Holy Spirit is an attribute of God, then you are not truly a trinitarian, friend.

Well, I'm just human.  If you can read the short chapter of Genesis 1, and not see clearly, God and his Spirit (a Holy Spirit, by the way), then I guess you'll have to remain in denial till God gets your attention some other way.

WillieT,

I was once a trinitarian myself.. I never questioned the doctrine until I really started looking at the scriptures that I see as contradictory. I do not bash the character of trinitarians, I believe they are lovers of God and of what is good. I just disagree with their understanding of God.

I read Genesis and I do see the Spirit of God hovering over the face of the waters. I do not deny that. I also read that God says to His Son, "let Us make man in Our image." Here are two distinct persons.. the Father (the only true Unbegotten God) and now His Son, begotten of Him. For the Father made all things through Him. These two are one Spirit, and they made man (male and female) in their likeness to be one flesh.

But where do you see this third and distinct person in Genesis chapter 1? Where is this Holy Communion between three?

I take no issue with the Holy Spirit of God, with the Son of God or with God the Father Himself.

There is to us but one God, the Father...

The trinity doctrine disagrees, in the trinity the Father is only one of three. To trinitarians there is but one God, Father, Son and Holy Spirit- three distinct persons, co-equal and co-eternal. They worship this "Blessed Trinity."

I take issue with this doctrine because I do not see it taught in scripture, though I see the verses used to prove it, I disagree with their interpretation.

The Holy Spirit is the רוּחַ (wind, breath, mind) of the Father and of His Son, not a third and distinct being with whom the two have a relationship.

In the same way man has a spirit... for man is made in His image. And who knows the mind of the man save the spirit which is in him? This is not a distinct being within the man, but the inner man himself!

This is why I believe the Spirit has the attributes of personhood in the scriptures, because speaking about God's Spirit is speaking about God Himself.

I just cannot see the trinity taught in the word of God, so I don't adhere to it.

[Willie T]

Well, that's good that you're comfortable with it.  I just find too much saying the opposite to hold an Arian view.  Maybe if there's beer in Heaven (if that's really a "place" - another topic), the one who is incorrect in this can buy the other a round.  (will we have money?  )

[Willie T]

Hummm.....   Maybe this is part of God's plan.

To put enough things in the Bible that seem totally opposite..... to see if we humans can still figure out how to work in harmony, despite so many differing views that will really never amount to a hill of beans in His final scheme of salvation anyway.

Something to ponder.

BTW, thank you for your very nice, and helpful post just made.

[Lively Stone]

Maybe if there's beer in Heaven (if that's really a "place" - another topic), the one who is incorrect in this can buy the other a round.  (will we have money?  )

Even a pauper in heaven can scoop up some of the street dust and pay for a feast!

[raggthyme76]

Well, that's good that you're comfortable with it.  I just find too much saying the opposite to hold an Arian view.  Maybe if there's beer in Heaven (if that's really a "place" - another topic), the one who is incorrect in this can buy the other a round.  (will we have money?  )

I'll take a wine.

I agree, I worked with a couple who were Jehovah Witnesses for many years and I cannot see the Arian view taught either.

My beliefs don't fall in line with trinitarian, binitarian, unitarian or arian.

What am I? 

[Beta]

Well, I'm just human.  If you can read the short chapter of Genesis 1, and not see clearly, God and his Spirit (a Holy Spirit, by the way), then I guess you'll have to remain in denial till God gets your attention some other way.[/size]

There is not God and his Spirit.

Joh.4v24; God is Spirit.
GOD IS THE SPIRIT OF HOLYNESS....there is not another.

That is how Jesus could say : I and my FATHER are ONE...in spirit/mind.....not in person or being....of ONE MIND.
Jesus never thought, said or did anything his Father had not told him Joh.12v49.

[Beta]

Hummm.....   Maybe this is part of God's plan.

To put enough things in the Bible that seem totally opposite..... to see if we humans can still figure out how to work in harmony, despite so many differing views that will really never amount to a hill of beans in His final scheme of salvation anyway.

Something to ponder.

BTW, thank you for your very nice, and helpful post just made.

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

[grace]

This question has puzzled me ...

I worship God...He is Spirit! So I worship the Spirit that is God!

I am spirit, soul and body... in my spirit is my new nature (born from above), with that spirit within me..I worship God!

I pray in the spirit, I sing in the spirit and I worship in the spirit! ...(ONLY those that are spirit filled will understand this statement)   

[Lively Stone]

This question has puzzled me ...

I worship God...He is Spirit! So I worship the Spirit that is God!

I am spirit, soul and body... in my spirit is my new nature (born from above), with that spirit within me..I worship God!

I pray in the spirit, I sing in the spirit and I worship in the spirit! ...(ONLY those that are spirit filled will understand this statement)   

You've got it, girl!

[MeMyself]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

[Bitter Sweet]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

[MeMyself]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

I'm not sure that lines up with what she was saying in response to Willie's comment (which I agree with btw...Romans 14 and all  )

But, about what you said...of course, living out what the Word says is the best way to go.  Its actually quite biblical actually! 
James 1:22-25
Do not merely listen to the word, and so deceive yourselves. Do what it says. Anyone who listens to the word but does not do what it says is like a man who looks at his face in a mirror and, after looking at himself, goes away and immediately forgets what he looks like. But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives freedom, and continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but doing it—he will be blessed in what he does.

[Lively Stone]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

[Bitter Sweet]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

The God I worship isn't the God of this world. Sorry, no can do.

Oops, I read world instead of word, my bad. I just can't get into your word regularly. 

[Bitter Sweet]

This question has puzzled me ...

I worship God...He is Spirit! So I worship the Spirit that is God!

I am spirit, soul and body... in my spirit is my new nature (born from above), with that spirit within me..I worship God!

I pray in the spirit, I sing in the spirit and I worship in the spirit! ...(ONLY those that are spirit filled will understand this statement)   

Can you explain to the people that aren't spirit filled how you do this without bias?

[Lively Stone]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

The God I worship isn't the God of this world. Sorry, no can do.

What are you talking about? Do you think the word of God is of this world? If you aren't into the word at least daily, you can't expect to receive any revelation from God, or hope to live it. You can't live the word if you don't know it. It is through the written word that God primarily speaks to us.

[Bitter Sweet]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

The God I worship isn't the God of this world. Sorry, no can do.

What are you talking about? Do you think the word of God is of this world? If you aren't into the word at least daily, you can't expect to receive any revelation from God, or hope to live it. You can't live the word if you don't know it. It is through the written word that God primarily speaks to us.

You just missed my edit. I read what you said with an extra letter, the font is tiny here!

[Lively Stone]

This question has puzzled me ...

I worship God...He is Spirit! So I worship the Spirit that is God!

I am spirit, soul and body... in my spirit is my new nature (born from above), with that spirit within me..I worship God!

I pray in the spirit, I sing in the spirit and I worship in the spirit! ...(ONLY those that are spirit filled will understand this statement)   

Can you explain to the people that aren't spirit filled how you do this without bias?

Bias has nothing to do with it. You simply submit all you've got to Holy Spirit, and submit to complete worship and adoration of the Lord, and He will come and fill you to overflowing with His presence.

[Bitter Sweet]

This question has puzzled me ...

I worship God...He is Spirit! So I worship the Spirit that is God!

I am spirit, soul and body... in my spirit is my new nature (born from above), with that spirit within me..I worship God!

I pray in the spirit, I sing in the spirit and I worship in the spirit! ...(ONLY those that are spirit filled will understand this statement)   

Can you explain to the people that aren't spirit filled how you do this without bias?

Bias has nothing to do with it. You simply submit all you've got to Holy Spirit, and submit to complete worship and adoration of the Lord, and He will come and fill you to overflowing with His presence.

Then how can the people that aren't filled with the spirit understand what she said? We are here to help people, not tell them it's my way or no way.

[grace]

This question has puzzled me ...

I worship God...He is Spirit! So I worship the Spirit that is God!

I am spirit, soul and body... in my spirit is my new nature (born from above), with that spirit within me..I worship God!

I pray in the spirit, I sing in the spirit and I worship in the spirit! ...(ONLY those that are spirit filled will understand this statement)   

Can you explain to the people that aren't spirit filled how you do this without bias?

Sorry, I did not mean to show prejudice. I just never understood it myself until the baptism in the Holy Spirit.

I will start with praying in the spirit...
Praying in the Spirit is a phase used in Jude 20. The Holy Spirit has a prayer language of His own, which He imparts to believers who are baptized in the HS (Acts 2:1-4; 10:45-46;19:1-7).  The Bible teaches that we are body, soul and spirit (1 THess. 5:22).  When a believer prays "in the Spirit" they are praying in the language the Lord has imparted to the individual's inner spirit.  In 1 Cor. 14:14.."For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prays, but my understanding is unfruitful".  I believe just as our human body haas a voice box with vocal cords etc. our inner man (spirit) has an inner voice of its own. This is our spirit speaking directly to God (1 Cor. 14:2)

I can not really explain how you do it...just as I can not explain how the new creature is born from above. Faith! Learning more about the spirit, soul and body and how they function will help some understand.
God always communicates with our spirit. We have to know how to identify the difference between God communing with our spirit and the devil fooling our minds.

This will take a whole new thread to really get into it! THat is why I said ... "only the Spirit filled will understand" my short explaination of where I was at as far as worshiping the Spirit or in the spirit.

[grace]

This question has puzzled me ...

I worship God...He is Spirit! So I worship the Spirit that is God!

I am spirit, soul and body... in my spirit is my new nature (born from above), with that spirit within me..I worship God!

I pray in the spirit, I sing in the spirit and I worship in the spirit! ...(ONLY those that are spirit filled will understand this statement)   

Can you explain to the people that aren't spirit filled how you do this without bias?

Bias has nothing to do with it. You simply submit all you've got to Holy Spirit, and submit to complete worship and adoration of the Lord, and He will come and fill you to overflowing with His presence.

Then how can the people that aren't filled with the spirit understand what she said? We are here to help people, not tell them it's my way or no way.

I did not say it was my way or no way! I explained who and how I worship!

[raggthyme76]

Bias has nothing to do with it. You simply submit all you've got to Holy Spirit, and submit to complete worship and adoration of the Lord, and He will come and fill you to overflowing with His presence.

Lively Stone,

Are you saying anyone can "pray in tongues" if they just submit completely to God? I read that Katy Perry told Rolling Stone that she prayed in tongues regularly. Hmmm, interesting... I won't even let my young children listen to her music. Do you even have to be a believer and follower of Jesus Christ to speak with tongues, to pray in tongues etc? I've read many of the pagans in Paul's day did the same. Are you a Pentecostal? Just curious.

[Beta]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

How right you are Bitter Sweet !!!!!!
The WORD is not irrellevant...far from it.....But the Spirit of God perfects it !!!!
If one does not obey His Word how can one obey His Spirit ?

[Beta]

You are not far off the mark there at all, Willie. I do not think man is meant to find his way in scripture but rather by God's Revelation to man ....for HIS ways are past finding out.

Beta, I want to make sure I'm understanding what you are saying...God's revelation to man trumps the word is that what you mean?

I don't want to speak for Beta but my experience with living the word (doing what it say's) compared to just reading it gives more revelation.

If we don't get into the word regularly, then we won't receive revelation enough to live it.

The God I worship isn't the God of this world. Sorry, no can do.

What are you talking about? Do you think the word of God is of this world? If you aren't into the word at least daily, you can't expect to receive any revelation from God, or hope to live it. You can't live the word if you don't know it. It is through the written word that God primarily speaks to us.

READING the Word of God is of little or no effect UNLESS we also put it into ACTION.
To be fair many try to do that but in general they baulk or reject the 10 Commandments, especially God's holy sabbath. This is a violation of His Command and is not overlooked By GOD. They may quote Rom.14 as much as they like ...but Paul is not above God, besides being badly misunderstood ! Paul never changed the law.

[Bitter Sweet]

I did not say it was my way or no way! I explained who and how I worship!

People that aren't spirit filled were excluded, pray for wisdom to impart instructions for them that need it most.

Mark 2:17 On hearing this, Jesus said to them, "It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners."