Why do bad things happen to good people?

[Funguy33]

Bad things happen because God is punishing for their sins of their past lives... Exodus 34:7

Jesus said to those He healed that if they sinned again it would be worse for them the next time... John 5:14

[chosenone]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

[Funguy33]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

[Talking Donkey]

Bad things happen because God is punishing for their sins of their past lives... Exodus 34:7

Jesus said to those He healed that if they sinned again it would be worse for them the next time... John 5:14

Read job.

Peace

[WILDJC]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

I'll have to disagree on this. Jesus says that offenses will happen because they must, but woe unto that person that brings the offense. Also to consider is what you might think is bad is really not, but rather a good from God for your own sake. We also know that it rains on the just and the unjust, just like the sun shines on those who are evil as well as those who are good.

By grace we are saved and our sins are forgiven. Salvation does not bring about bad things because of the sins of others. This would make Christ not our Savior, since it would have been in vain.

Just my thoughts.


Peace

[chosenone]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

Oh so if a child is sexually abused it is his/her fault? If a person is murdered or raped it was their fault? If a man is injured by a drunk driver it was his fault? If someone breaks into your house it was your fault?

[chosenone]

matthew 13.30
Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.

jOHN 10.10

10 The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

The enemy kills, steals and destroys. Sickness and other bad things are from him.

[Funguy33]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

Oh so if a child is sexually abused it is his/her fault? If a person is murdered or raped it was their fault? If a man is injured by a drunk driver it was his fault? If someone breaks into your house it was your fault?

Is it their fault if they are born into a horrible life and others have beautiful lives?

Exodus 20:5-6 says we mst pay for our sins 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

[Funguy33]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

I'll have to disagree on this. Jesus says that offenses will happen because they must, but woe unto that person that brings the offense. Also to consider is what you might think is bad is really not, but rather a good from God for your own sake. We also know that it rains on the just and the unjust, just like the sun shines on those who are evil as well as those who are good.

By grace we are saved and our sins are forgiven. Salvation does not bring about bad things because of the sins of others. This would make Christ not our Savior, since it would have been in vain.

Just my thoughts.


Peace

Sins are forgiven but not the punishment...

Jesus said to the man He healed, not to sin again or his punishment would be worse.

[chosenone]

Ok so tell that to the little girl who is being sexually abused. She is being punished because of her sins. What a horrible God you believe in.

Do you not believe that Jesus has become a curse for us? We are no longer under the curse of the law OR its effects. Sickness is not from God. People can get sick because of their own sins, such as the smoker, or the drug addict, or someone who cant stop eating.   

This reminds me of that appalling guy Heffner who lives in that playboy mansion and has been into the worst sexual sin for much of his life. He is a healthy man in his 80's. It doesnt follow. It rains on the good and the bad.

[Lively Stone]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

I'll have to disagree on this. Jesus says that offenses will happen because they must, but woe unto that person that brings the offense. Also to consider is what you might think is bad is really not, but rather a good from God for your own sake. We also know that it rains on the just and the unjust, just like the sun shines on those who are evil as well as those who are good.

By grace we are saved and our sins are forgiven. Salvation does not bring about bad things because of the sins of others. This would make Christ not our Savior, since it would have been in vain.

Just my thoughts.


Peace

What about an innocent three year old, raped and killed by an evil man? What sin is she being punished for?

God isn't punishing anyone. The law of sowing and reaping is in effect. Evil prevails, and Satan has the righteous and the innocent as his main target.

[Lively Stone]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

That's a huge misinterpretation and misuse of scripture.

[Funguy33]

Ok so tell that to the little girl who is being sexually abused. She is being punished because of her sins. What a horrible God you believe in.

Do you not believe that Jesus has become a curse for us? We are no longer under the curse of the law OR its effects. Sickness is not from God. People can get sick because of their own sins, such as the smoker, or the drug addict, or someone who cant stop eating.   

This reminds me of that appalling guy Heffner who lives in that playboy mansion and has been into the worst sexual sin for much of his life. He is a healthy man in his 80's. It doesnt follow. It rains on the good and the bad.

When Jesus said the punishment would be worse next time, He wasn't talking about this lifetime. John 5:14

Deuteronomy 5:9-10 says  those who sin will be punished in their next life.

There is no coincidences in life.

[Lively Stone]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

Oh so if a child is sexually abused it is his/her fault? If a person is murdered or raped it was their fault? If a man is injured by a drunk driver it was his fault? If someone breaks into your house it was your fault?

Is it their fault if they are born into a horrible life and others have beautiful lives?

Exodus 20:5-6 says we mst pay for our sins 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

Deuteronomy 24:16
"Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.

Jeremiah 31:29-31
29 "The people will no longer quote this proverb:

'The parents have eaten sour grapes,
    but their children's mouths pucker at the taste.'

30 All people will die for their own sins—those who eat the sour grapes will be the ones whose mouths will pucker.

31 "The day is coming," says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.

Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent's sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child's sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.


Come forward into the NT. Who is it who has paid for our sins?

[Funguy33]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

Oh so if a child is sexually abused it is his/her fault? If a person is murdered or raped it was their fault? If a man is injured by a drunk driver it was his fault? If someone breaks into your house it was your fault?

Is it their fault if they are born into a horrible life and others have beautiful lives?

Exodus 20:5-6 says we mst pay for our sins 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

Deuteronomy 24:16
"Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.

Jeremiah 31:29-31
29 "The people will no longer quote this proverb:

'The parents have eaten sour grapes,
    but their children's mouths pucker at the taste.'

30 All people will die for their own sins—those who eat the sour grapes will be the ones whose mouths will pucker.

31 "The day is coming," says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.

Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent's sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child's sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.


Come forward into the NT. Who is it who has paid for our sins?

The scriptures are for you in the next life.
Why did Jesus say all sin would be punished?

[Nevertheless]

Anything can be "proved" from Scripture by using tweezer theology. But if you look at the verses cited in context it is clear that the OP is misinterpreting.

Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus,
     whose right hand I have grasped,
to subdue nations before him
    and to loose the belts of kings,
to open doors before him
    that gates may not be closed:
2 "I will go before you
    and level the exalted places,
I will break in pieces the doors of bronze
    and cut through the bars of iron,
3  I will give you the treasures of darkness
    and the hoards in secret places,
that you may know that it is I, the Lord,
    the God of Israel, who call you by your name.
4 For the sake of my servant Jacob,
    and Israel my chosen,
I call you by your name,
     I name you, though you do not know me.
5  I am the Lord, and there is no other,
    besides me there is no God;
     I equip you, though you do not know me,
6  that people may know, from the rising of the sun
    and from the west, that there is none besides me;
    I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7 I form light and create darkness,
    I make well-being and create calamity,
    I am the Lord, who does all these things.

God does not say that all evil comes from Him.

8 "'You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Deut. 5 says nothing about anyone having a "next life".

2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Aramaic called Bethesda, which has five roofed colonnades. 3 In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed. 5 One man was there who had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had already been there a long time, he said to him, "Do you want to be healed?" 7 The sick man answered him, "Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, and while I am going another steps down before me." 8 Jesus said to him, "Get up, take up your bed, and walk." 9  And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked.

Now that day was the Sabbath. 10 So the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to take up your bed." 11 But he answered them, "The man who healed me, that man said to me, 'Take up your bed, and walk.'" 12 They asked him, "Who is the man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?" 13 Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place. 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, "See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you." 15 The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had healed him.

Nope, nothing there about any additional lives.

5 The Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord. 6 The Lord passed before him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, 7  keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation." 8 And Moses quickly bowed his head toward the earth and worshiped.

Nothing about past lives there either.


So we have a choice here. We can listen to Funguy, and believe that these scriptures are referring to reincarnation, or we can believe that God chose to use the words "fathers," "children," and "generation" because that is what He meant.

We can believe Funguy when he says that God is the source of all evil or we can believe Peter when he says that "The face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

We can believe Funguy when he says that Jesus was warning the former invalid about punishment in some future life, or we can read the Scripture and see for ourselves that there is nothing there to even hint at such a thing.

We have a choice. Will we choose amusement or reason?

[Lively Stone]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

Oh so if a child is sexually abused it is his/her fault? If a person is murdered or raped it was their fault? If a man is injured by a drunk driver it was his fault? If someone breaks into your house it was your fault?

Is it their fault if they are born into a horrible life and others have beautiful lives?

Exodus 20:5-6 says we mst pay for our sins 3 lifetimes and our blessings will follow 1000 lifetimes.

Deuteronomy 24:16
"Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.

Jeremiah 31:29-31
29 "The people will no longer quote this proverb:

'The parents have eaten sour grapes,
    but their children's mouths pucker at the taste.'

30 All people will die for their own sins—those who eat the sour grapes will be the ones whose mouths will pucker.

31 "The day is coming," says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.

Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent's sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child's sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.


Come forward into the NT. Who is it who has paid for our sins?

The scriptures are for you in the next life.

Which scriptures are you talking about? Explain.

Why did Jesus say all sin would be punished?

Why do you think?

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

[larry2]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

There are no Bible scriptures for that kind of theory.

Isaiah 45:7 says all evil comes only from God as a punishment from God.

Ecclesiastes 9:2-3 "All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath. 3  This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead." The righteous and the wicked all die.

Then it depends on the faith of the believer as to whether a thing is bad or good? All things work together for good to them which love the Lord. Was all that occurred in Job's life for his good? Yes.

There is another thing to be considered and that is the judgment going on in the believer's life as to our walk with Christ. Judgment begins at the house of God, and Jesus is presently walking among the candlesticks.

1 Corinthians 11:32  But when we are judged, we are chastened of the Lord, that we should not be condemned with the world. We are God's work in progress, He is doing a mighty work in us, and He ain't finished with me yet. Well, what is God then doing for the sinner? He gave them Jesus, and He sent the Holy Spirit to reprove them of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment; their condemnation is yet future. 
 
Ecclesiastes 7:15 "All things have I seen in the days of my vanity: there is a just man that perisheth in his righteousness, and there is a wicked man that prolongeth his life in his wickedness." Read the Eleventh Chapter of Hebrews as the worthies of faith are cut off, with seemingly little done to them they preached to. Now with Solomon, he is referring to those things of the world, or under the sun. Praise God we have a hope laid up for us in Christ, and we can rejoice with joy unspeakable and full of glory. 

[Funguy33]

In Psalm 56:8, David referenced a book belonging to God:?
Thou tellest my wanderings: put thou my tears into thy bottle: are they not in thy book?

What is this book, and what does it mean for us? It is called the Book of Remembrance and everyone who has ever believed in Jesus has one. Malachi also referenced this book:
Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name. And they shall be mine, saith the LORD of hosts, in that day when I make up my jewels (Malachi 3:16-17).

This Book of Remembrance holds every act of faithful service done for the Lord. Every encouraging word, every unselfish deed, every sacrifice made, the Lord has carefully placed there as a witness to the universe that you are indeed His child.

This book is directly connected with another very important book called the Book of Life. If a name is removed from the Book of Life, that person's good deeds will also be removed from the Book of Remembrance.

"For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil" (Ecclesiastes 12:14).

[Willie T]

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

Oh, I know.  I know.  Let me answer.

I'll bet Funguy33 is going to take care of those sins for us.

Right?

[Funguy33]

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

Oh, I know.  I know.  Let me answer.

I'll bet Funguy33 is going to take care of those sins for us.

Right?

When you don't have arms or legs next time around, you will know why.

Priests were not allowed to work in the Temple if they had any deformities.

[MeMyself]

Anything can be "proved" from Scripture by using tweezer theology. But if you look at the verses cited in context it is clear that the OP is misinterpreting.

Thus says the Lord to his anointed, to Cyrus,
     whose right hand I have grasped,
to subdue nations before him
    and to loose the belts of kings,
to open doors before him
    that gates may not be closed:
2 "I will go before you
    and level the exalted places,
I will break in pieces the doors of bronze
    and cut through the bars of iron,
3  I will give you the treasures of darkness
    and the hoards in secret places,
that you may know that it is I, the Lord,
    the God of Israel, who call you by your name.
4 For the sake of my servant Jacob,
    and Israel my chosen,
I call you by your name,
     I name you, though you do not know me.
5  I am the Lord, and there is no other,
    besides me there is no God;
     I equip you, though you do not know me,
6  that people may know, from the rising of the sun
    and from the west, that there is none besides me;
    I am the Lord, and there is no other.
7 I form light and create darkness,
    I make well-being and create calamity,
    I am the Lord, who does all these things.

God does not say that all evil comes from Him.

8 "'You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. 9 You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 10 but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.

Deut. 5 says nothing about anyone having a "next life".

2 Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, in Aramaic called Bethesda, which has five roofed colonnades. 3 In these lay a multitude of invalids—blind, lame, and paralyzed. 5 One man was there who had been an invalid for thirty-eight years. 6 When Jesus saw him lying there and knew that he had already been there a long time, he said to him, "Do you want to be healed?" 7 The sick man answered him, "Sir, I have no one to put me into the pool when the water is stirred up, and while I am going another steps down before me." 8 Jesus said to him, "Get up, take up your bed, and walk." 9  And at once the man was healed, and he took up his bed and walked.

Now that day was the Sabbath. 10 So the Jews said to the man who had been healed, "It is the Sabbath, and it is not lawful for you to take up your bed." 11 But he answered them, "The man who healed me, that man said to me, 'Take up your bed, and walk.'" 12 They asked him, "Who is the man who said to you, 'Take up your bed and walk'?" 13 Now the man who had been healed did not know who it was, for Jesus had withdrawn, as there was a crowd in the place. 14 Afterward Jesus found him in the temple and said to him, "See, you are well! Sin no more, that nothing worse may happen to you." 15 The man went away and told the Jews that it was Jesus who had healed him.

Nope, nothing there about any additional lives.

5 The Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord. 6 The Lord passed before him and proclaimed, "The Lord, the Lord, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abounding in steadfast love and faithfulness, 7  keeping steadfast love for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, but who will by no means clear the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children and the children's children, to the third and the fourth generation." 8 And Moses quickly bowed his head toward the earth and worshiped.

Nothing about past lives there either.


So we have a choice here. We can listen to Funguy, and believe that these scriptures are referring to reincarnation, or we can believe that God chose to use the words "fathers," "children," and "generation" because that is what He meant.

We can believe Funguy when he says that God is the source of all evil or we can believe Peter when he says that "The face of the Lord is against those who do evil."

We can believe Funguy when he says that Jesus was warning the former invalid about punishment in some future life, or we can read the Scripture and see for ourselves that there is nothing there to even hint at such a thing.

We have a choice. Will we choose amusement or reason?

Never, great post!!!!

[MeMyself]

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

Oh, I know.  I know.  Let me answer.

I'll bet Funguy33 is going to take care of those sins for us.

Right?

When you don't have arms or legs next time around, you will know why.

Priests were not allowed to work in the Temple if they had any deformities.

Funguy, quit kidding yourself, there is no next time around.

Scripture says it is appointed for a man to die once and it tells us that to be absent from the body is present with the Lord.

[Willie T]

CONTEXT, Funguy, context.

If you take the "text" out of context, all you're left with is a "con".

[MeMyself]

CONTEXT, Funguy, context.

If you take the "text" out of context, all you're left with is a "con".

[Lively Stone]

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

Oh, I know.  I know.  Let me answer.

I'll bet Funguy33 is going to take care of those sins for us.

Right?

When you don't have arms or legs next time around, you will know why.

Priests were not allowed to work in the Temple if they had any deformities.

Next time around?

[Funguy33]

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

Oh, I know.  I know.  Let me answer.

I'll bet Funguy33 is going to take care of those sins for us.

Right?

When you don't have arms or legs next time around, you will know why.

Priests were not allowed to work in the Temple if they had any deformities.

Funguy, quit kidding yourself, there is no next time around.

Scripture says it is appointed for a man to die once and it tells us that to be absent from the body is present with the Lord.

That was referring to the Lord who was appointed to die.

Adam and Eve were never appointed to die.

Sin causes us to die.

Heaven and Hell are right here on earth , depending on your sin life, so you will always be with the Lord.

[Willie T]

[Lively Stone]

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

Oh, I know.  I know.  Let me answer.

I'll bet Funguy33 is going to take care of those sins for us.

Right?

When you don't have arms or legs next time around, you will know why.

Priests were not allowed to work in the Temple if they had any deformities.

Funguy, quit kidding yourself, there is no next time around.

Scripture says it is appointed for a man to die once and it tells us that to be absent from the body is present with the Lord.

That was referring to the Lord who was appointed to die.

That is false.

Hebrews 9:27-28
27 And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, 28 so also Christ died once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly waiting for him.

Adam and Eve were never appointed to die.

Sin causes us to die.

When they sinned, they became subject to death and so the whole human race.

Heaven and Hell are right here on earth , depending on your sin life, so you will always be with the Lord.

The Kingdom of Heaven will come down to Earth one day. Hell is not on earth. If one is a sinner, he will be condemned to the Lake of Fire, where God's presence is not!

What kind of bible do you read?

[Mel Malchut]

Bad things happen to good people, and good things happen to bad people, because we live in a fallen worlds where God is allowing this to happen till Jesus comes again. Many bad things that happen to us are because of the sins of others.

How do you reconcile your statement with what God says?

Psalm 53:3
Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

Jeremiah 4:22
For my people is foolish, they have not known me; they are sottish children, and they have none understanding: they are wise to do evil, but to do good they have no knowledge.

Micah 7:2
The good man is perished out of the earth: and there is none upright among men: they all lie in wait for blood; they hunt every man his brother with a net.

Mark 10:18
And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God.

Or, perhaps the question I should have asked is:

Why don't you consult the Word of Almighty God BEFORE you post statements that totally contradict the revelation of Jesus Christ.

I'm not trying to hurt you, but call you to greater faithfulness, so that YOUR faith may grow on to maturity.

Faith is multiplied in any believer WHEN they begin to take FAITHFULNESS (to Jesus Christ) seriously.  Since He is the Absolute Truth, and since He IS God the Father's Revelation of Himself to mankind, the Living Word of God,  isn't WHAT Jesus Christ SAYS the STANDARD, the PERFECT STANDARD of Truth?

According to Jesus Christ, believers do not know (all) the truth.  The full truth is made known only to Jesus' Disciples, who ABIDE in His Word and do it.  That is WHAT FAITHFULNESS IS, abiding in Christ, by abiding in His Word.

Unfaithfulness, on the other hand, is to take the name of Christ but refuse to be faithful to Him.  That is what amounts to spiritual adultery.  It is also the true meaning of the Commandment; Thou shalt NOT take the name of the Lord thy God in Vain.  For God shall not uphold the wicked, neither shall He cast away (into the outer darkness) them who abide in Him.

Dear lady, faith is only the beginning of our walk with God in Christ, He desires us to move onto maturity, where we not only believe in God, but KNOW Him.  For eternal Life is KNOW the ONLY One True God and Jesus Christ (His word) whom He sent to us, to reveal Himself to us.

This post is not a correction, but an exhortation to come closer to the Lord of Glory, and glorify Him, even hastening that Day of the consummation!

Love,
Mel

[Willie T]

What kind of bible do you read?

You saw the picture of his Bible that I posted below in post #28, right?

[Mel Malchut]

Adam and Eve were never appointed to die.

Sin causes us to die.




Oh, really?
Then what does this mean:

Jeremiah 18
The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: 2 "Arise and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause you to hear My words." 3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and there he was, making something at the wheel. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter; so he made it again into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to make.

5 Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 6 "O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter?" says the Lord. "Look, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel! 7 The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, 8 if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. 9 And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, 10 if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.

11 "Now therefore, speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, 'Thus says the Lord: "Behold, I am fashioning a disaster and devising a plan against you. Return now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good."'"

and this:
Romans 9:21
Does not the Potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

Just as the Natural man comes first, and then the Spiritual, so God formed the First Adam from clay, from below, and the Last Adam (Christ Jesus) of Spirit from above.  To be IN Christ IS to walk ion the Spirit of Christ, for HE IS the Resurrection!

And God is Sovereign, and He's got the whole world in His Hands!

Mel

[Funguy33]

Adam and Eve were never appointed to die.

Sin causes us to die.




Oh, really?
Then what does this mean:

Jeremiah 18
The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: 2 "Arise and go down to the potter's house, and there I will cause you to hear My words." 3 Then I went down to the potter's house, and there he was, making something at the wheel. 4 And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter; so he made it again into another vessel, as it seemed good to the potter to make.

5 Then the word of the Lord came to me, saying: 6 "O house of Israel, can I not do with you as this potter?" says the Lord. "Look, as the clay is in the potter's hand, so are you in My hand, O house of Israel! 7 The instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to pluck up, to pull down, and to destroy it, 8 if that nation against whom I have spoken turns from its evil, I will relent of the disaster that I thought to bring upon it. 9 And the instant I speak concerning a nation and concerning a kingdom, to build and to plant it, 10 if it does evil in My sight so that it does not obey My voice, then I will relent concerning the good with which I said I would benefit it.

11 "Now therefore, speak to the men of Judah and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem, saying, 'Thus says the Lord: "Behold, I am fashioning a disaster and devising a plan against you. Return now every one from his evil way, and make your ways and your doings good."'"

and this:
Romans 9:21
Does not the Potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor?

Just as the Natural man comes first, and then the Spiritual, so God formed the First Adam from clay, from below, and the Last Adam (Christ Jesus) of Spirit from above.  To be IN Christ IS to walk ion the Spirit of Christ, for HE IS the Resurrection!

And God is Sovereign, and He's got the whole world in His Hands!

Mel

You proved what I said, we are not appointed to die. It is true God can take us for whatever reason, but there isn't a point in time where we will die because it is preordained.

Jesus was the only one ever appointed to die.

[Funguy33]

You don't believe all sin was already punished on Jesus? Who then will die for those sins that have not been dealt with?

Oh, I know.  I know.  Let me answer.

I'll bet Funguy33 is going to take care of those sins for us.

Right?

When you don't have arms or legs next time around, you will know why.

Priests were not allowed to work in the Temple if they had any deformities.

Funguy, quit kidding yourself, there is no next time around.

Scripture says it is appointed for a man to die once and it tells us that to be absent from the body is present with the Lord.

That was referring to the Lord who was appointed to die.

That is false.

Hebrews 9:27-28
27 And just as each person is destined to die once and after that comes judgment, 28 so also Christ died once for all time as a sacrifice to take away the sins of many people. He will come again, not to deal with our sins, but to bring salvation to all who are eagerly waiting for him.

Adam and Eve were never appointed to die.

Sin causes us to die.

When they sinned, they became subject to death and so the whole human race.

Heaven and Hell are right here on earth , depending on your sin life, so you will always be with the Lord.

The Kingdom of Heaven will come down to Earth one day. Hell is not on earth. If one is a sinner, he will be condemned to the Lake of Fire, where God's presence is not!

What kind of bible do you read?

Does your Bible say,"all sinners are condemned to the Lake of Fire"?

[Funguy33]

In Genesis 15:13, God tells Abraham, "Know that your descendents are going to be enslaved in a land they don't know," which of course ends up being Egypt.

This was a punishment to Abraham for going to Egypt against God's wishes.