Why do bad things happen to good people?

[Willie T]

I don't understand why, His ways are beyond me.. it's kind of along the same lines as how He doesn't intervene when innocent children are abused in every horrid way they are. I know He could, and He may in some cases, but He doesn't in others. I've had to accept that I will never understand why this is, this side of heaven.

You have stated the truth.  WE don't know.  And there is enough that we don't know to create a whole 'nother world.
This is but one example we CAN see.  Do you know Joyce Meyer?  A lot is explained right there.  True, that's only one case I can see, but as you said.... the rest we cannot yet understand.

[MeMyself]

Everything that happens to us is according to God's plan, as a consequence of our last lives...

[Willie T]

Everything that happens to us is according to God's plan, as a consequence of our last lives...

Unlax, MM.  There's a mental thing going on here.  Only God can deal with that.

[Funguy33]

Lively Stone,

I do NOT believe the same as funguy here but this conversation gives me good opportunity to ask something I have genuinely wondered for some time. You said God does not make babies deformed but that it's a result of the fall. Most Christians believe God actually forms every person in the womb, so how is it that you can say that He doesn't make some blind or lame, or with their organs on the outside of their body, or with other deformities? Wouldn't it be only one of the following: He doesn't actually form each human being but has created life to do what it does in the womb naturally (and sometimes things go wrong in that process) or that God actually does personally knit us together and has purposefully made some with deformities and the like? BTW, I'm not implying that if it's the latter He does it because of some sin in that person's past life.. I agree that's totally unbiblical.

Do you really think that God causes birth defects? That He deliberately causes a baby's skull to not form, such as an anencephalic baby?

Find your answer, then answer this: Do you think He is completely aloof and unaware of what is happening?

Do you believe God knits each and every individual in the womb? And if He does, doesn't that mean He forms some with all their parts in order and others not? I was really just trying to point out that if a person quotes "before I formed you in the womb, I knew you" saying God actually forms the child within the mother then they must accept that He makes some diseased, disabled and deformed for His own purposes.

I personally disagree with that view.. I don't believe God forms the baby. I believe He created the means by which nature takes it's course, and sometimes things go wrong... yet He knows exactly what will happen and He allows it. I don't understand why, His ways are beyond me.. it's kind of along the same lines as how He doesn't intervene when innocent children are abused in every horrid way they are. I know He could, and He may in some cases, but He doesn't in others. I've had to accept that I will never understand why this is, this side of heaven.

Why does everyone ignore God's scripture, Exodus 34:7, which explains why bad things happen? God thought it so important, He repeated it 5 times.
Choose life so that you may live. I understand that reconcilliation between free will and God's omniciense are difficult to reconcile. I have and will continue to write about this topic, but for now I will try to simplify it for you. G-d does know all which can happen, because for every decision we make, the consequences will be different. G-d sees all of the potential consequences simultaneously. Your destiny on earth will be made available to you time and again if need be. If you always choose not to follow your destiny, you will have another opportunity to do so when you are reincarnated.

Most importantly, remember, all of our choices, whether of inaction, or action have conseqences.

[MeMyself]

If you always choose not to follow your destiny, you will have another opportunity to do so when you are reincarnated.

where is the scripture for your insistence in reincarnation?

This is nothing but new age deception that you have bought into.

[Willie T]

Why does everyone ignore God's scripture, Exodus 34:7, which explains why bad things happen? God thought it so important, He repeated it 5 times.
Choose life so that you may live. I understand that reconcilliation between free will and God's omniciense are difficult to reconcile. I have and will continue to write about this topic, but for now I will try to simplify it for you. G-d does know all which can happen, because for every decision we make, the consequences will be different. G-d sees all of the potential consequences simultaneously. Your destiny on earth will be made available to you time and again if need be. If you always choose not to follow your destiny, you will have another opportunity to do so when you are reincarnated.

Most importantly, remember, all of our choices, whether of inaction, or action have conseqences.

Talk about ignorance rambling on!  What's with the silliness of the dash (-) in God's name in some places, (Jewish games), and totally forgetting to omit the "o" in the other places.  Oops!  Looks like you're going to have to repeat yet another life as a toad.

[Funguy33]

If you always choose not to follow your destiny, you will have another opportunity to do so when you are reincarnated.

where is the scripture for your insistence in reincarnation?

This is nothing but new age deception that you have bought into.

When scripture says you pay for your sins for 3-4 lifetimes and blessings follow you for 1000 lifetimes, that is reincarnation.
That is not NEW but in the second book of the Bible.

[MeMyself]

If you always choose not to follow your destiny, you will have another opportunity to do so when you are reincarnated.

where is the scripture for your insistence in reincarnation?

This is nothing but new age deception that you have bought into.

When scripture says you pay for your sins for 3-4 lifetimes and blessings follow you for 1000 lifetimes, that is reincarnation.
That is not NEW but in the second book of the Bible.

Well, here's the thing.  Scripture doesn't say that! It speaks of generations (again...do you understand what a generation is?), not do-over lives.

Reincarnation is not scriptural.  It is new age garbage.

[Lively Stone]

Everything that happens to us is according to God's plan, as a consequence of our last lives...

Prove that using scripture! What you have offered so far hasn't done too well. When Jesus comes in, He takes care of the eternal consequences for our sin!

[Lively Stone]

Talk about ignorance rambling on!  What's with the silliness of the dash (-) in God's name in some places, (Jewish games), and totally forgetting to omit the "o" in the other places.  Oops!  Looks like you're going to have to repeat yet another life as a toad.

ROFL! That reminds me of my favourite line of all time:

"We. Thought. You. Was. A. Toad!"

http://youtu.be/oYs2UxyQSbA

[MeMyself]

Talk about ignorance rambling on!  What's with the silliness of the dash (-) in God's name in some places, (Jewish games), and totally forgetting to omit the "o" in the other places.  Oops!  Looks like you're going to have to repeat yet another life as a toad.

ROFL! That reminds me of my favourite line of all time:

"We. Thought. You. Was. A. Toad!"

http://youtu.be/oYs2UxyQSbA

love.this.movie!

[Lively Stone]

If you always choose not to follow your destiny, you will have another opportunity to do so when you are reincarnated.

where is the scripture for your insistence in reincarnation?

This is nothing but new age deception that you have bought into.

When scripture says you pay for your sins for 3-4 lifetimes and blessings follow you for 1000 lifetimes, that is reincarnation.
That is not NEW but in the second book of the Bible.

Go to the nearest bible bookstore, and plunk down 60 bucks on the counter and buy a new bible, preferably one with a New Testament.

Oh, and in modern English!

[Lively Stone]

Deuteronomy 24:16
Parents must not be put to death for the sins of their children, nor children for the sins of their parents. Those deserving to die must be put to death for their own crimes.

Jeremiah 31:29-31
"The people will no longer quote this proverb:

'The parents have eaten sour grapes,
    but their children's mouths pucker at the taste.'

All people will die for their own sins—those who eat the sour grapes will be the ones whose mouths will pucker.

"The day is coming," says the Lord, "when I will make a new covenant with the people of Israel and Judah.
   
Ezekiel 18:20
The person who sins is the one who will die. The child will not be punished for the parent's sins, and the parent will not be punished for the child's sins. Righteous people will be rewarded for their own righteous behavior, and wicked people will be punished for their own wickedness.

[Funguy33]

Romans 12:19
Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

Genesis 9:21-25
    And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father .... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan [Ham's son]; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Genesis 20:18
    The LORD had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah Abraham's wife.

Deuteronomy 23:2
    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 28:18
    Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body.

1 Samuel 3:12-13
    I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house ... I will judge his house for ever ... because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.

2 Samuel 12:14
    The child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

2 Samuel 21:6-9
    Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD .... And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD.

1 Kings 2:33
    Their blood shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever.

1 Kings 11:11-12
    Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.

1 Kings 21:29
    Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

2 Kings 5:27
    The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever.

Isaiah 14:21
    Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.

Jeremiah 16:10-11
    Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? ... Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 29:32
    Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite, and his seed.

Jeremiah 32:18
    Thou ... recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them.

Zephaniah 1:8
    I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

[Lively Stone]

Romans 12:19
Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

Genesis 9:21-25
    And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father .... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan [Ham's son]; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Genesis 20:18
    The LORD had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah Abraham's wife.

Deuteronomy 23:2
    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 28:18
    Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body.

1 Samuel 3:12-13
    I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house ... I will judge his house for ever ... because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.

2 Samuel 12:14
    The child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

2 Samuel 21:6-9
    Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD .... And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD.

1 Kings 2:33
    Their blood shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever.

1 Kings 11:11-12
    Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.

1 Kings 21:29
    Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

2 Kings 5:27
    The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever.

Isaiah 14:21
    Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.

Jeremiah 16:10-11
    Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? ... Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 29:32
    Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite, and his seed.

Jeremiah 32:18
    Thou ... recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them.

Zephaniah 1:8
    I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

There you go again, using the Old Testament to prove your adherence to a punishing God. The Romans passage simply tells you that God is the one who avenges, and He will do that on Judgment Day...not before. Because of Jesus, God reserves His right to punish until then.

[Funguy33]

Romans 12:19
Never take your own revenge, beloved, but leave room for the wrath of God, for it is written, "VENGEANCE IS MINE, I WILL REPAY," says the Lord.

Genesis 9:21-25
    And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father .... And Noah awoke from his wine, and knew what his younger son had done unto him. And he said, Cursed be Canaan [Ham's son]; a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren.

Genesis 20:18
    The LORD had fast closed up all the wombs of the house of Abimelech, because of Sarah Abraham's wife.

Deuteronomy 23:2
    A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Deuteronomy 28:18
    Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body.

1 Samuel 3:12-13
    I will perform against Eli all things which I have spoken concerning his house ... I will judge his house for ever ... because his sons made themselves vile, and he restrained them not.

2 Samuel 12:14
    The child also that is born unto thee shall surely die.

2 Samuel 21:6-9
    Let seven men of his sons be delivered unto us, and we will hang them up unto the LORD .... And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD.

1 Kings 2:33
    Their blood shall therefore return upon the head of Joab, and upon the head of his seed for ever.

1 Kings 11:11-12
    Wherefore the LORD said unto Solomon, Forasmuch as this is done of thee, and thou hast not kept my covenant and my statutes, which I have commanded thee, I will surely rend the kingdom from thee, and will give it to thy servant. Notwithstanding in thy days I will not do it for David thy father's sake: but I will rend it out of the hand of thy son.

1 Kings 21:29
    Seest thou how Ahab humbleth himself before me? because he humbleth himself before me, I will not bring the evil in his days: but in his son's days will I bring the evil upon his house.

2 Kings 5:27
    The leprosy therefore of Naaman shall cleave unto thee, and unto thy seed for ever.

Isaiah 14:21
    Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers.

Jeremiah 16:10-11
    Wherefore hath the Lord pronounced all this great evil against us? ... Because your fathers have forsaken me, saith the Lord.

Jeremiah 29:32
    Therefore thus saith the LORD; Behold, I will punish Shemaiah the Nehelamite, and his seed.

Jeremiah 32:18
    Thou ... recompensest the iniquity of the fathers into the bosom of their children after them.

Zephaniah 1:8
    I will punish the princes, and the king's children, and all such as are clothed with strange apparel.

There you go again, using the Old Testament to prove your adherence to a punishing God. The Romans passage simply tells you that God is the one who avenges, and He will do that on Judgment Day...not before. Because of Jesus, God reserves His right to punish until then.

Are you saying Jesus wasn't the God of the Old Testament?

A study of the concordance will show that there are more references in Scripture to the anger, fury, and wrath of God, than there are to His love and tenderness.

[MeMyself]

A study of the concordance will show that there are more references in Scripture to the anger, fury, and wrath of God, than there are to His love and tenderness.

The whole point is God's love for mankind.

You really don't seem to understand this. 

His wrath is even motivated from His love.  In the days of Noah, it had gotten so bad, He regretting making mankind, but then He remembered Noah, was moved to compassion and preserved him and his family to start over.  When the flood was over, He promised to never distroy the world like that again.

When He was steaming mad at Sodom and Gomorrah, Abraham reasoned with Him.  Look at God's "anger", look at His "wrath", look at His "fury" for yourself:
Genesis 18 20-33
"Then the Lord said, "The outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me. If not, I will know."
The men turned away and went toward Sodom, but Abraham remained standing before the Lord. Then Abraham approached him and said: "Will you sweep away the righteous with the wicked?  What if there are fifty righteous people in the city? Will you really sweep it away and not spare the place for the sake of the fifty righteous people in it?  Far be it from you to do such a thing —to kill the righteous with the wicked, treating the righteous and the wicked alike. Far be it from you! Will not the Judge of all the earth do right?"
The Lord said, "If I find fifty righteous people in the city of Sodom, I will spare the whole place for their sake. "
Then Abraham spoke up again: "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, though I am nothing but dust and ashes,  what if the number of the righteous is five less than fifty? Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five people?"

"If I find forty-five there," he said, "I will not destroy it."

Once again he spoke to him, "What if only forty are found there?"
He said, "For the sake of forty, I will not do it."
Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak. What if only thirty can be found there?"
He answered, "I will not do it if I find thirty there."
Abraham said, "Now that I have been so bold as to speak to the Lord, what if only twenty can be found there?"
He said, "For the sake of twenty, I will not destroy it."
Then he said, "May the Lord not be angry, but let me speak just once more. What if only ten can be found there?"
He answered, "For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it."
When the Lord had finished speaking with Abraham, he left, and Abraham returned home."

He waits on high to have compassion. Why? Because of His love.
When He warns of His wrath, He provides a way to avoid it. Why? Because of His love.

[Lively Stone]

There you go again, using the Old Testament to prove your adherence to a punishing God. The Romans passage simply tells you that God is the one who avenges, and He will do that on Judgment Day...not before. Because of Jesus, God reserves His right to punish until then.

Are you saying Jesus wasn't the God of the Old Testament?

A study of the concordance will show that there are more references in Scripture to the anger, fury, and wrath of God, than there are to His love and tenderness.

No, I would never say something like that. You don't seem to understand that God's anger and fury at sin was poured out on Jesus. Right now He is withholding that same wrath for sin until Jesus finishes building His Church. Right now He is revealing His great mercy and His great compassion for sinners. We are fortunate to be living in this age, but too many people forget that God is fully rounded in personality, and forget that He is the just Judge and will reveal His wrath one Day. They are fooled by His mercy, and lulled into the false sense of spiritual security. That is why we are to be committed to reveal Him as He is. Instead of adhering to God the merciful, like so many are today, you are focused on that God of wrath. That is an equally wrong perception of who God is!

[Funguy33]

"God of Jesus: "God is love." (1 John 4:16) God of Moses: "Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man" (Num. 31:17)

God of Jesus: "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me." (Mark 9:37) God of Moses: "Put to death men and women, children and infants" (1 Sam. 15:2-3)

God of Jesus: "Love does no harm to its neighbor" (Rom. 13:10) God of Moses: "He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the Lord, the God of Israel, had commanded." (Josh. 10:40)

God of Jesus: "[The devil] was a murderer from the beginning." (John 8:44) God of Moses: "Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children" (Ezek. 9:6)

God of Jesus: "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." (1 Peter 5:8) God of Moses: "Like a lion I will devour them." (Hosea 13:8)

God of Jesus: "Anyone who does not love his brother [is of the devil]." (1 John 3:10) God of Moses: "Go back and forth killing your brother and friend and neighbor" (Exod. 32:27)

God of Jesus: "[The devil] is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44) God of Moses: "Put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours." (1 Kings 22:23)

God of Jesus: "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy." (John 10:10) God of Moses: "Pursue, kill and completely destroy them." (Jer. 50:21)

God of Jesus: "He who does what is sinful is of the devil" (1 John 3:8) God of Moses: "Do not leave alive anything that breathes" (Deut. 20:16)

God of Jesus: "God so loved the world.." (John 3:16) God of Moses: "I will wipe humankind ..from the face of the earth." (Gen. 6:7)

God of Jesus: "Love your enemies" (Luke 6:27-28) God of Moses: "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them." (Num. 25:16-17)

God of Jesus: "For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone" (James 1:13) God of Moses: "[He] tempted Abraham" (Gen. 22:1)

[Lively Stone]

"God of Jesus: "God is love." (1 John 4:16) God of Moses: "Kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man" (Num. 31:17)

God of Jesus: "Whoever welcomes one of these little children in my name welcomes me." (Mark 9:37) God of Moses: "Put to death men and women, children and infants" (1 Sam. 15:2-3)

God of Jesus: "Love does no harm to its neighbor" (Rom. 13:10) God of Moses: "He totally destroyed all who breathed, just as the Lord, the God of Israel, had commanded." (Josh. 10:40)

God of Jesus: "[The devil] was a murderer from the beginning." (John 8:44) God of Moses: "Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children" (Ezek. 9:6)

God of Jesus: "Your enemy the devil prowls around like a roaring lion looking for someone to devour." (1 Peter 5:8) God of Moses: "Like a lion I will devour them." (Hosea 13:8)

God of Jesus: "Anyone who does not love his brother [is of the devil]." (1 John 3:10) God of Moses: "Go back and forth killing your brother and friend and neighbor" (Exod. 32:27)

God of Jesus: "[The devil] is a liar and the father of lies." (John 8:44) God of Moses: "Put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours." (1 Kings 22:23)

God of Jesus: "The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy." (John 10:10) God of Moses: "Pursue, kill and completely destroy them." (Jer. 50:21)

God of Jesus: "He who does what is sinful is of the devil" (1 John 3:8) God of Moses: "Do not leave alive anything that breathes" (Deut. 20:16)

God of Jesus: "God so loved the world.." (John 3:16) God of Moses: "I will wipe humankind ..from the face of the earth." (Gen. 6:7)

God of Jesus: "Love your enemies" (Luke 6:27-28) God of Moses: "Treat the Midianites as enemies and kill them." (Num. 25:16-17)

God of Jesus: "For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does he tempt anyone" (James 1:13) God of Moses: "[He] tempted Abraham" (Gen. 22:1)

See? Same God. Two distinct dispensations of God.

[hammer123]

There are no good people.

God being sinless died on a cross for us and was beaten and suffered for us.   God being sinless suffered, we can not expect anything better than what God went through.

[Funguy33]

There are no good people.

God being sinless died on a cross for us and was beaten and suffered for us.   God being sinless suffered, we can not expect anything better than what God went through.

God never required torture of sacrificed animals, so why Jesus?

If Jesus was only a blood offering why did God let Him live 30 years, when Herod could have killed Him?

Jesus purpose was to show us how to live in the Kingdom of Heaven while we are alive so we won't have bad consequences for our sins.

[chosenone]

There are no good people.

God being sinless died on a cross for us and was beaten and suffered for us.   God being sinless suffered, we can not expect anything better than what God went through.

God never required torture of sacrificed animals, so why Jesus?

If Jesus was only a blood offering why did God let Him live 30 years, when Herod could have killed Him?

Jesus purpose was to show us how to live in the Kingdom of Heaven while we are alive so we won't have bad consequences for our sins.

So basically, you arent a believer who accepts Jesus as his saviour, and just think that Jesus was a good person.

[hammer123]

There are no good people.

God being sinless died on a cross for us and was beaten and suffered for us.   God being sinless suffered, we can not expect anything better than what God went through.

God never required torture of sacrificed animals, so why Jesus?

If Jesus was only a blood offering why did God let Him live 30 years, when Herod could have killed Him?

Jesus purpose was to show us how to live in the Kingdom of Heaven while we are alive so we won't have bad consequences for our sins.

I never said Jesus was only a sacrifice, he was and is much more than that. 

The point is the Christian life and or life in general isn't easy.  God is tough, read the bible and you will understand that God is loving, but very very tough.

[Willie T]

There are no good people.

God being sinless died on a cross for us and was beaten and suffered for us.   God being sinless suffered, we can not expect anything better than what God went through.

God never required torture of sacrificed animals, so why Jesus?

If Jesus was only a blood offering why did God let Him live 30 years, when Herod could have killed Him?

Jesus purpose was to show us how to live in the Kingdom of Heaven while we are alive so we won't have bad consequences for our sins.

No, that most certainly was NOT Jesus' purpose in coming to Earth as a human being.  He came to "destroy the work of Satan" by living the kind of perfect life we were NOT capable of living.... no matter how much someone "showed us HOW to live".  (1 John 3:8)
And,  then, having made himself an example of the perfection we could never be, he submitted to becoming the only possible sacrifice capable of redeeming all mankind from Eternal separation from God.

[Funguy33]

This is why so many bible students are deceived,
and the 'fear of the Lord' is almost non existent.

Most bible students fear 'Satan', because I have heard so many sermons
telling me to watch out for 'the enemy Satan'.

No matter what scripture is being read, they find a reason to bring up 'Satan'.
Why is that?

I thought the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.

You have to decide who you are going to fear.
God or Satan. You have to pick one or the other.
You have to believe in the real God, or the imaginary god Satan.

There is no room for both,
because God says besides me there is 'none else'.

If you give power to some imaginary fallen angel bogeyman,
then you must fear him, because you can't see him with your visible eyes.
And if you believe that 'he'(Satan) exists, then you are into idolatry.

So I hope and pray that you will join with me in warning
others about this dangerous, wicked and idolatrous, fallen angel doctrine.
The Future of Christianity is truly at stake here.

The world will never improve, until we can,
stop blaming evil, on some imaginary
fallen angel bogeyman.

The world will never improve, until we can get rid of this
wicked and idolatrous, fallen angel doctrine.

[hammer123]

Bad things happen because God is punishing for their sins of their past lives... Exodus 34:7

Jesus said to those He healed that if they sinned again it would be worse for them the next time... John 5:14

What about the man who was healed in the NT and people asked Jesus Did this man sin or his parents sin cause him to be this way and Jesus said no he was born this way so that Jesus could heal him

[stevehut]

I've always been amused by this question.

Why should we assume that "good" people are immune from adversity? 

[stevehut]

people asked Jesus Did this man sin or his parents sin cause him to be this way and Jesus said no he was born this way so that Jesus could heal him

Bingo.  Although methinks hammer needeth some lessons in grammar.

[hammer123]

people asked Jesus Did this man sin or his parents sin cause him to be this way and Jesus said no he was born this way so that Jesus could heal him

Bingo.  Although methinks hammer needeth some lessons in grammar.

I  could use some help in grammar.  I was too lazy to look up verses and such.