When Jesus Was Born.

[ROJTC]

Back in the days of Israel,  when  Jesus was born.

Did your father have to be a Jew for you to be a Jew?

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So being that the Father of Jesus was not a Jew.  How was he a Jew?

[Lively Stone]

So being that the Father of Jesus was not a Jew.  How was he a Jew?

Jesus was a Jew because His mother was a Jew.

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So being that the Father of Jesus was not a Jew.  How was he a Jew?

Jesus was a Jew because His mother was a Jew.

What does it have to say about this in the old testament?  Do you know?

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The Rabbi Snidyer(misspelled) of the Jewish Jesus tv show said that in the days of Jesus your father had to be a Jew for you to be a Jew.

That is what he said.

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Then I has someone that said they were a Jew tell me that up till the time Jesus was born your father had to be a Jew for you to be a Jew and after the time Jesus was born your mother had to be a Jew for you to be a Jew.

I wonder what one of those Orthodox Jews in Israel would say?

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Maybe we can find the answer in the Torah?

[Lively Stone]

According to the genealogy from Mary, on His human side Christ is descended from the Israelite tribal patriarch Judah and his descendant King David (Luke 3:31, 33; compare Acts 2:30; 2 Timothy 2:8).

Perhaps common sense will show you that as Mary and Joseph were married before Jesus was born, He would be a Jew based on Joseph. There is no way He wouldn't be a Jew born into that family.

Either way the word of God called him a descendent of the House of David. That's enough for me.

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Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

[ROJTC]

If it don't add up, it is not the total sum of the equation.

[Lively Stone]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

[ROJTC]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

[Bitter Sweet]

Moses wife wasn't a Jew.

[Lively Stone]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

He was a son of David in the sense of His being a descendant...that terminology is acceptable, just as  the Jews are called sons of Abraham.

[ROJTC]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

He was a son of David in the sense of His being a descendant...that terminology is acceptable, just as  the Jews are called sons of Abraham.

So now you are telling me that Jesus was a son of Abraham.

[ROJTC]

A. Was Jesus the son of Abraham?

B. Was Jesus the son of David?

C. Was Jesus the son of God?

Pick which it is.

[DaveW]

According to the genealogy from Mary, on His human side Christ is descended from the Israelite tribal patriarch Judah and his descendant King David (Luke 3:31, 33; compare Acts 2:30; 2 Timothy 2:8).

Mary has no geneology in recorded scripture. All we have was that she was a close relative of Elizabeth (John the Baptist's mother) who was a "daughter of Aaron." (Luke 1)

5 In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, of the division of Abijah. And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.

36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.

That indicates to me that Mary was from the Tribe of Levi, and probably a "daughter of Aaron" herself.

[DaveW]

A. Was Jesus the son of Abraham?

B. Was Jesus the son of David?

C. Was Jesus the son of God?

Pick which it is.

All of the above.

[Lively Stone]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

He was a son of David in the sense of His being a descendant...that terminology is acceptable, just as  the Jews are called sons of Abraham.

So now you are telling me that Jesus was a son of Abraham.

Am I? Who does God say are the sons of Abraham?

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent.

Galatians 3:7
Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

[ROJTC]

A. Was Jesus the son of Abraham?

B. Was Jesus the son of David?

C. Was Jesus the son of God?

Pick which it is.

All of the above.

Which one was His Father?

[ROJTC]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

He was a son of David in the sense of His being a descendant...that terminology is acceptable, just as  the Jews are called sons of Abraham.

So now you are telling me that Jesus was a son of Abraham.

Am I? Who does God say are the sons of Abraham?

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent.

Galatians 3:7
Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Who does God say is His son?

[DaveW]

A. Was Jesus the son of Abraham?

B. Was Jesus the son of David?

C. Was Jesus the son of God?

Pick which it is.

All of the above.

Which one was His Father?

All three. 

I would submit you are using the word "Father" in a different way than it was used in the first century.

It did not mean just your immediate male parent.  It could also mean an adoptive male parent, or any male predecessor by birth or adoption.

[Lively Stone]

According to the genealogy from Mary, on His human side Christ is descended from the Israelite tribal patriarch Judah and his descendant King David (Luke 3:31, 33; compare Acts 2:30; 2 Timothy 2:8).

Mary has no geneology in recorded scripture. All we have was that she was a close relative of Elizabeth (John the Baptist's mother) who was a "daughter of Aaron." (Luke 1)

5 In the days of Herod, king of Judea, there was a priest named Zechariah, of the division of Abijah. And he had a wife from the daughters of Aaron, and her name was Elizabeth.

36 And behold, your relative Elizabeth in her old age has also conceived a son, and this is the sixth month with her who was called barren.

That indicates to me that Mary was from the Tribe of Levi, and probably a "daughter of Aaron" herself.

Actually, Luke gves the genealogy of Mary in Luke 3, beginning with Heli, Joseph's father-in-law, while Matthew 1 is Joseph's genealogy.

[ROJTC]

A. Was Jesus the son of Abraham?

B. Was Jesus the son of David?

C. Was Jesus the son of God?

Pick which it is.

All of the above.

Which one was His Father?

All three. 

I would submit you are using the word "Father" in a different way than it was used in the first century.

It did not mean just your immediate male parent.  It could also mean an adoptive male parent, or any male predecessor by birth or adoption.

Did Jesus ever call anyone but God his Father?

[Lively Stone]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

He was a son of David in the sense of His being a descendant...that terminology is acceptable, just as  the Jews are called sons of Abraham.

So now you are telling me that Jesus was a son of Abraham.

Am I? Who does God say are the sons of Abraham?

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent.

Galatians 3:7
Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Who does God say is His son?

God says Jesus is His beloved Son, and He also says that any who come to Him through His Son are His sons.

[ROJTC]

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

He was a son of David in the sense of His being a descendant...that terminology is acceptable, just as  the Jews are called sons of Abraham.

So now you are telling me that Jesus was a son of Abraham.

Am I? Who does God say are the sons of Abraham?

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent.

Galatians 3:7
Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Who does God say is His son?

God says Jesus is His beloved Son, and He also says that any who come to Him through His Son are His sons.

Matthew 22
41While the Pharisees were gathered together, Jesus asked them,
42Saying, What think ye of Christ? whose son is he? They say unto him, The son of David.
43He saith unto them, How then doth David in spirit call him Lord, saying,
44The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?
45If David then call him Lord, how is he his son?

I will ask you the same question?

You do not understand how Jesus was using their literalist mentality to show the Pharisees up?

Are you telling me that Jesus was the son of David?

He was a son of David in the sense of His being a descendant...that terminology is acceptable, just as  the Jews are called sons of Abraham.

So now you are telling me that Jesus was a son of Abraham.

Am I? Who does God say are the sons of Abraham?

Acts 13:26
Men and brethren, sons of the family of Abraham, and those among you who fear God, to you the word of this salvation has been sent.

Galatians 3:7
Therefore know that only those who are of faith are sons of Abraham.

Who does God say is His son?

God says Jesus is His beloved Son, and He also says that any who come to Him through His Son are His sons.

Then that means David and Abraham were his brothers.  Is this true?

[DaveW]

Actually, Luke gves the genealogy of Mary in Luke 3, beginning with Heli, Joseph's father-in-law, while Matthew 1 is Joseph's genealogy.

No.

There is nothing in the text in Luke that indicates that Heli was Mary's father.

That is an extra-biblical assumption to try to disambiguate the 2 different genealogies in Matthew and Luke.

Luke 3.23 Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,

Not son-in-law.

Matthew was the legal and royal bloodline while Luke was the natural blood line of Joseph. They were often different.

ETA: (edited to add)

Alexander the Great had his legal royal lineage modified to make him a descendant of King David.  So did the Royal families of England.

[Lively Stone]

Then that means David and Abraham were his brothers.  Is this true?

In the human sense, yes, by human genealogy.

[ROJTC]

You people sure do contradict your own words with your own words an awful lot on here.  Have any of you ever noticed that?

[ROJTC]

I say that Jesus was not a Jew of the flesh as according to the law of Moses.

His only link to the Jews of the flesh was his mother.

His Father is a Spirit.

Jesus was a Jew of the Spirit.

[ROJTC]

Jesus was the first born of water and Spirit into the Kingdom of God.

[DaveW]

I say that Jesus was not a Jew of the flesh as according to the law of Moses.

If He was not a Jew according to the flesh he could in no way fulfill or obey the Law of Moses as that covenant was given ONLY to the "Jews of the flesh."  There was also no way the Jewish Messiah could be a gentile.

[ROJTC]

I say that Jesus was not a Jew of the flesh as according to the law of Moses.

If He was not a Jew according to the flesh he could in no way fulfill or obey the Law of Moses as that covenant was given ONLY to the "Jews of the flesh."  There was also no way the Jewish Messiah could be a gentile.

He was not a gentile.  His mother was Jewish and God is neither Jew or Gentile.

You cannot prove any different.  And I can prove he was not a Jew of the flesh.

[Lively Stone]

I say that Jesus was not a Jew of the flesh as according to the law of Moses.

His only link to the Jews of the flesh was his mother.

His Father is a Spirit.

Jesus was a Jew of the Spirit.

Jesus is 100% God and 100% man---Jewish man.

[Lively Stone]

I say that Jesus was not a Jew of the flesh as according to the law of Moses.

If He was not a Jew according to the flesh he could in no way fulfill or obey the Law of Moses as that covenant was given ONLY to the "Jews of the flesh."  There was also no way the Jewish Messiah could be a gentile.

He was not a gentile.  His mother was Jewish and God is neither Jew or Gentile.

You cannot prove any different.  And I can prove he was not a Jew of the flesh.

No you can't.