Sex

[Lehigh]

Christ's Law has nothing to do with Gentile Christians converting to Judaism first! We are not bound by Jewish laws!

Quite true. Gentiles are bound by the 4 laws in Acts 15.

If a married couple wants to have sex during a women's menses- that's their business.

So I take it you do not believe that pornia includes that practice?

Boy, do you have a lot to learn about the Old Covenant Law and Christianity!

We are not bound to the Law of Moses ever!

It was necessary for a change in the Law. See Hebrews for your clarification.

James was stoned and clobbered to death by the Pharisees and leaders of the synagogue of Satan in AD62. The reason was that he did not keep "the Law"

So, I guess Paul was right. All things are permissible yet not all are beneficial.

All foods (bloody or not) are permissible if taken with thanksgiving.

Christ's commands are not burdensome. Summed up into 2 moral Laws- Love God, & love neighbor/ do no harm.

If it were up to James, we may have been a splinter group of Judaism. That is why God anointed Paul as the apostle for the gentiles!

It's that simple!

[chosenone]

Christ's Law has nothing to do with Gentile Christians converting to Judaism first! We are not bound by Jewish laws!

If a married couple wants to have sex during a women's menses- that's their business.

The cleanliness issue in not law. It is the same for male circumcision.

Not required for gentiles believers.

I agree.

[Stucky]

Christ's Law has nothing to do with Gentile Christians converting to Judaism first! We are not bound by Jewish laws!

Quite true. Gentiles are bound by the 4 laws in Acts 15.

If a married couple wants to have sex during a women's menses- that's their business.

So I take it you do not believe that pornia includes that practice?

Boy, do you have a lot to learn about the Old Covenant Law and Christianity!

We are not bound to the Law of Moses ever!

It was necessary for a change in the Law. See Hebrews for your clarification.

James was stoned and clobbered to death by the Pharisees and leaders of the synagogue of Satan in AD62. The reason was that he did not keep "the Law"

So, I guess Paul was right. All things are permissible yet not all are beneficial.

All foods (bloody or not) are permissible if taken with thanksgiving.

Christ's commands are not burdensome. Summed up into 2 moral Laws- Love God, & love neighbor/ do no harm.

If it were up to James, we may have been a splinter group of Judaism. That is why God anointed Paul as the apostle for the gentiles!

It's that simple!

I actually like this response.

[DaveW]

Boy, do you have a lot to learn about the Old Covenant Law and Christianity!

Acts 15 is NOT "old covenant" law. It is NEW TESTAMENT law.

We are not bound to the Law of Moses ever!

As a gentile believer that is true.

James was stoned and clobbered to death by the Pharisees and leaders of the synagogue of Satan in AD62. The reason was that he did not keep "the Law"

Actually he DID keep the Law (and so did Paul, btw) James was killed by his rabbinic students for not denying his Brother the Messiah. James was called "HaTzadik" (the righteous one) and considered a primary Torah Sage by his traditional Jewish contemporaries.  He taught in one of the major Pharisaic schools in Jerusalem right up to his death.

If it were up to James, we may have been a splinter group of Judaism. That is why God anointed Paul as the apostle for the gentiles!

We still ARE a splinter group of Judaism. The TRUE NEW COVENANT Judaism.

Yes, God gave Paul a new revelation on how gentiles were to fit into this New Covenant Judaism and what was and was NOT required of them.

[Stucky]

Boy, do you have a lot to learn about the Old Covenant Law and Christianity!

Acts 15 is NOT "old covenant" law. It is NEW TESTAMENT law.

We are not bound to the Law of Moses ever!

As a gentile believer that is true.

James was stoned and clobbered to death by the Pharisees and leaders of the synagogue of Satan in AD62. The reason was that he did not keep "the Law"

Actually he DID keep the Law (and so did Paul, btw) James was killed by his rabbinic students for not denying his Brother the Messiah. James was called "HaTzadik" (the righteous one) and considered a primary Torah Sage by his traditional Jewish contemporaries.  He taught in one of the major Pharisaic schools in Jerusalem right up to his death.

If it were up to James, we may have been a splinter group of Judaism. That is why God anointed Paul as the apostle for the gentiles!

We still ARE a splinter group of Judaism. The TRUE NEW COVENANT Judaism.

Yes, God gave Paul a new revelation on how gentiles were to fit into this New Covenant Judaism and what was and was NOT required of them.

Well, talk about wishy-washy, I like this response too.   

[k-pappy]

Janice...your rant aside, I gave you a qualified source.  You have provide no qualified sources in return, you have simply launched a personal attack on me as an individual.  I stand by my first statement.  You are free to do whatever you wish, but please do not pass on bad advice to others as you may be responsible for their health.

You are clearly offended by my me as an individual, so until you provide valid, accepted medical sources to back up your statement, I will kindly bow out.

[Lively Stone]

Question: "Is it acceptable to God for a husband and wife to have sex while the wife is menstruating / having her period?"

Answer: Leviticus 15:19 says, "When a woman has her regular flow of blood, the impurity of her monthly period will last seven days, and anyone who touches her will be unclean till evening." Similarly, Leviticus 15:24 says. "If a man lies with her and her monthly flow touches him, he will be unclean for seven days; any bed he lies on will be unclean." Finally, Leviticus 20:18 declares, "If a man lies with a woman during her monthly period and has sexual relations with her, he has exposed the source of her flow, and she has also uncovered it. Both of them must be cut off from their people." As a result of these Scriptures, some hold that a married couple should not have sex while the wife is having her period.

The problem with this view is that if the Scriptures are applied consistently, even touching a woman who is having her menstrual flow would be forbidden. Further, according to Leviticus 15:20-23, even touching something that the woman has also touched would be forbidden. Do these laws apply to us today? No, they do not. Why? It is important to remember the purpose of the Old Testament laws concerning blood. In the sacrificial system, blood was sacred (Leviticus 17:11). A woman's "uncleanness" during her period was symbolic of the value placed on blood. As a result, contact with a woman who was having her period was forbidden.

Christians today are not under the Old Testament ceremonial law (Romans 10:4; Galatians 3:24-26; Ephesians 2:15). There no longer is a sacrificial system. Jesus' blood sacrifice paid the penalty for sins once and for all. The Levitical ceremonial laws do not apply today. There is no biblical reason why a married couple cannot have sex during the wife's period. Some doctors do not recommend it from a medical perspective, but there are no proven "dangers" of having sexual intercourse during a woman's period. Usually women have no desire to have sexual relations during their period, so that is definitely another thing to consider. Basically, this issue must be decided by a husband and wife in the spirit of "mutual consent" as 1 Corinthians 7:5 describes.

http://www.gotquestions.org/sex-period.html

[Janice]

Janice...your rant aside, I gave you a qualified source.  You have provide no qualified sources in return, you have simply launched a personal attack on me as an individual.  I stand by my first statement.  You are free to do whatever you wish, but please do not pass on bad advice to others as you may be responsible for their health.

You are clearly offended by my me as an individual, so until you provide valid, accepted medical sources to back up your statement, I will kindly bow out.

You provided a huge source without citing the page number. I have the article and I asked for the page number. Provide that, and I will evaluate your contribution.

No, I don't have any problem with you as a person. Clearly I have offended you from the very first time we interacted. You have been rude to me since then. I am only responding in the tone you set. If you were half respectful, I would be respectful in return.

Provide useful sources, or stop making your own assertions based on nothing more than your own idea of women's issues.

[Stucky]

Janice...your rant aside, I gave you a qualified source.  You have provide no qualified sources in return, you have simply launched a personal attack on me as an individual.  I stand by my first statement.  You are free to do whatever you wish, but please do not pass on bad advice to others as you may be responsible for their health.

You are clearly offended by my me as an individual, so until you provide valid, accepted medical sources to back up your statement, I will kindly bow out.

You provided a huge source without citing the page number. I have the article and I asked for the page number. Provide that, and I will evaluate your contribution.

No, I don't have any problem with you as a person. Clearly I have offended you from the very first time we interacted. You have been rude to me since then. I am only responding in the tone you set. If you were half respectful, I would be respectful in return.

Provide useful sources, or stop making your own assertions based on nothing more than your own idea of women's issues.

 

[old hand]

Dave,
From what I read "pornia" was the Greek word for "pornography" and "fornication".  I cant find anything that says "pornia" meant prohibition of sex during menses.  (Just to clarify something, I am not propagating sex during menses.  I am just discussing this for discussions sake.)

Actually 'pornography' was pornagraphos (sp?) It is from the root pornas which was a class of slaves kept for sexual purposes and graphos which means writing.

As to the use of "pornia," it was not how the word was used in common Greek society but how it was used in the diaspora Greek speaking Jewish communities. From what I have been able to glean is that it was used to mean ANYTHING that violated Torah (Law of Moses) sexual rules.   That would include the prohibition on sex during menses.

Bethrothment in Jewish culture gave a couple the right to live together under the roof of the man's father's house. Pre-marital sexual relations were forbidden until after the marriage celebration had taken place.

Fornication:
Greek Word: porneia
Pronunciation: por-nā'-ä
Part of Speech: feminine noun
Root Word (Etymology)
from G4203

Outline of Biblical Usage:
1) illicit sexual intercourse
a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
2) metaphaphorically: the worship of idols
a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols

Source(s):

www.blueletterbible.org

Or we could look at Strong's:

G4202
πορνεία
porneia
por-ni'-ah
From G4203; harlotry (including adultery and incest); figuratively idolatry: - fornication.

[old hand]

Hi chosenone, I think he meant during the menses.  There are risks to both men and women when they choose to engage in intercourse during that period of the woman's cycle:

* A woman's change of contracting and infection from her partner is higher
* It puts women at risk of pelvic inflammatory disease
* She is more likely to pass on blood-borne diseases (hep-b or hep-c)
* She is more likely to develope a yeast or bacterial infection

Points one and three would primarily concern those not in a monogamous relationship (i.e. marriage).  Points two and four seem unsupported by current research, but feel free to give a useable source to support them.

[BF]

I have come across, in the past, articles that said people who live by the old testament health laws, such as Jews and Seventh Day Adventists, are healthier.

Many laws were there for physical health and hygiene purposes.  Some are not applicable today and some are.


Debate is enjoyable, but there is a fine line.  I think a sign it is becoming "unchristian" is when it becomes insulting, rude, and self-righteous..which are surely all greater sins than most of the debated subjects.

Brings to mind churches that split over the color of the carpet or types of hymnals