Can we Handle the Truth?

[howard]

John 17:17 KJV
[17] Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.

Can we handle The truth which is Jesus words?

As I read God's word I run across scriptures and verses that contradicts the doctrine of these denominations. 

Do we separate/sanctify ourselves from Jesus truth and false doctrine?

Lets read

[howard]

Is God the God of the dead or the Living?


Mark 12:26-27 KJV
[26] And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? [27] He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.


The Living

[howard]

The truth is the dead know nothing and the living know they shall die

Ecclesiastes 9:5 KJV
[5] For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

The truth is when a person dies all emotions cease so sister Mary is not looking down from heaven or old bad Fred is not looking up from hell, there is no emotions

Ecclesiastes 9:6 KJV
[6] Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

[howard]

The truth is man home is the earth and not heaven. Man was created from the earth

Genesis 2:7 KJV
[7] And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

At the funeral we should tell the pastor that the homecoming if man is back to the earth as soon as man is put into the grave he has made his home coming

1 Corinthians 15:47-49 KJV
[47] The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven. [48] As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly. [49] And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.


Man home is the earth the OT and NT clarifies the truth

[howard]

Remember God's word is truth and we will sanctify those who believe in Gods word verses those who believes in lies.

Adam came from dust and Adam went back to dust. This is facts!


Genesis 3:17-19 KJV
[17] And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; [18] Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field; [19] In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art , and unto dust shalt thou return.

God called it!

[howard]

When man dies that person does not remember anything, not love ones, not friends nor God

Psalm 6:4-5 KJV
[4] Return, O Lord , deliver my soul: oh save me for thy mercies' sake. [5] For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?

Not can that dead person communicate with the living of come back from the dead without God raising that person up

Ecclesiastes 9:10 KJV
[10] Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


So who are these people talking to, or saw,  who claim they spoke to there dead love one ? Who are they seeing or speaking to?

[howard]

The truth is they have contacted or consulted a familiar spirit


Leviticus 19:31 KJV
[31] Regard not them that have familiar spirits, neither seek after wizards, to be defiled by them: I am the Lord your God.



Isaiah 8:18-19 KJV
[18] Behold, I and the children whom the Lord hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the Lord of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion. [19] And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

[howard]

There is no such need as dead people haunting houses



Job 7:7-10 KJV
[7] O remember that my life is wind: mine eye shall no more see good. [8] The eye of him that hath seen me shall see me no more : thine eyes are upon me, and I am not. [9] As the cloud is consumed and vanisheth away: so he that goeth down to the grave shall come up no more . [10] He shall return no more to his house, neither shall his place know him any more.


Man goes to the grave and rises up no more until the appointed time

[howard]

We all have been taught lies by our parents and pastors who were taught lies, we all followed a denomination and doctrine until we were able and old enough to read for ourselves

But now that we can read the truth for ourselves we don't have to follow fables


2 Peter 1:15-16 KJV
[15] Moreover I will endeavour that ye may be able after my decease to have these things always in remembrance. [16] For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

[howard]

If you know someone who is talking to a love one or seeing a love one who is dead, that person has consulted a familiar spirit which is the fallen angels that were kicked out of heaven.

[howard]

Where do the dead go?  To the grave. When will the people in the grave rise? When Jesus returns at the resurrection

John 5:28-29 KJV
[28] Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, [29] And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

This is truth! Get way from the Hollywood movies or false doctrine in churches that the dead are in heaven or can come back and save or haunt us. Those are lies

Jesus words will sanctify us with the truth

[howard]

How do we really know that we are in the end times?


Exodus 20:9 KJV
[9] Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:


God gave man 6 days to labour

2 Peter 3:8 KJV
[8] But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Or

God gave man 6000 years to labour

from Adam to Abraham is 2000 years
From Abraham to Jesus is 2000 years
From Jesus to 2013 is 2000 years?

That's 6000 years  give or take

[howard]

God gave man 6 days or 6000 years to rule the earth, but after those 6 days are complete then it's The Lord turn

Here comes the 7th day or the 7000th year or commonly called the millennium


Genesis 2:1-3 KJV
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.


Exodus 20:8,10 KJV
[8] Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. [10] But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:


This is the day that belongs to God, this is when he will rule

[howard]

Go and do some research, make or get a time calendar start with Adam year 1 and keep going to 2013 you will come to 6000 years give or take a few years

Here is some truth

Some will say that the sabbath is done away with, some will say that sabbath happened back at the creation and some will say that it is future

Lets read where this sabbath is not fulfilled and God did did not rest! Jesus nor the Father


John 5:17 KJV
[17] But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.


Tell me when did Jesus or the Father rest?

They have not!

[howard]

John 5:17 KJV
[17] But Jesus answered them, My Father worketh hitherto, and I work.


Did God rest in this verse in Genesis?


Genesis 2:1-3 KJV
[1] Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. [2] And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. [3] And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.

Is this past or future?

[howard]

Hebrews 3:9-12 KJV
[9] When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. [10] Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. [11] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) [12] Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.

The sabbath is the day of rest

It is future, this is not the weekly  sabbath but the day The Lord returns

[howard]

Notice some more truth in those verses

Those Israelites that were in the wilderness that saw Jesus miracles they will not be in Jesus kingdom 1000 year rule

Lets read it again


Hebrews 3:9-12 KJV
[9] When your fathers tempted me, proved me, and saw my works forty years. [10] Wherefore I was grieved with that generation, and said, They do alway err in their heart; and they have not known my ways. [11] So I sware in my wrath, They shall not enter into my rest.) [12] Take heed, brethren, lest there be in any of you an evil heart of unbelief, in departing from the living God.


They shall not enter into his rest

[howard]

Lets read the 4 th chapter ad pay close attention to the many truth we will learn that contrary to the teachings of today's Christianity



Hebrews 4:1,3-5,8-11 KJV
[1] Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. [3] For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. [4] For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works. [5] And in this place again, If they shall enter into my rest. [8] For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. [9] There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. [10] For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. [11] Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.


We must enter into this rest, so it must be future, we know the rest is referred back to genesis 2 which we read. Paul also says we must labour to enter into this rest.
Paul is saying we must work to get into Jesus kingdom, Paul lets us know that
It was Jesus with the Israelites in the wilderness. It will be that same Jesus with us
When he setup his kingdom which is a rest!

Can you handle the truth in this chapter?

[howard]

Lets look at the The Lord coming setting up the day of rest and read how long it is


Revelation 20:4-6 KJV
[4] And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. [5] But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. [6] Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1000 years is Jesus rule

[howard]

Paul said we must labour to enter into this rest

John said we will be kings and priest in this 1000 year rule of Jesus.

So much for those who teach the fable about we don't need works

[howard]

Think about what you just READ

A 1000 years of peace and rest

Remember satan is bound for those 1000 years of Jesus rule

The chief sinner and his cohorts are out of action

The chief sinner has been bothering us for 6000 years

There will be generations that know not satan and sin

But in this 1000 year rule of Jesus will be the literal lake of fire and probably or kids but must definitely our
Grand and great grand children  will see this


Revelation 19:11-13,19-20 KJV
[11] And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. [12] His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. [13] And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. [19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. [20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.


Some of us and they will get to see the AOD and the military leader in the lake of fire

Go back and read the whole chapter we have the coming of Jesus taking down the nations and taking those
2 guys putting them into the lake of fire.

They beat satan there!

[howard]

Again lets switch gears a little
Hear is some more truth

Are you aware that there is a 8th day or a 8000th year

Watch this

We already read that a day to The Lord is 1000 years

So we got
6 days or 6000 years for man to rule
7th day or 7000th year for Jess to rule

But we can read where the 7000th year expired

Now what?



Revelation 20:7,11-15 KJV
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, [11] And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. [12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. [13] And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. [14] And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. [15] And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


We have the 7th day or 7000th year expiring

[howard]

We have judgement day but we have also something else happening
Keep in mind this truth
6000 years of man rule on the earth
1000 years of Jesus rule on the earth

Here comes the FATHER

Jesus rule has expired now here comes the Father


Revelation 21:1-3 KJV
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. [2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3] And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


We just went into another day

Remember Jesus 1000 year rule or day  is over , we move into another day

Keep on mind this NEW Jerusalem along with the Father has come to earth

Fact and truth

[howard]

Lets read Paul tell us the same thing


1 Corinthians 15:22-28 KJV
[22] For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. [23] But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. [24] Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. [25] For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. [26] The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [27] For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted which did put all things under him. [28] And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.


Jesus time to rule has ended he had put down all opposition and now he has given all rule over to the Father

We entered into another day.

[howard]

John 14:1-4 KJV
[1] Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. [2] In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so , I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. [3] And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. [4] And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

That place where Jesus went to build many mansions was New Jerusalem for the Gather's kingdom.
Take note also what we said he said he will come again( to earth ) and where he is we will be also

Jesus kingdom will be on earth this is where we will be also

Truth 

[howard]

I hope we all understand that there will be two kingdoms
Jesus kingdom on the 7th day
The Father's kingdom on the 8th day

Two separate kingdoms

[howard]

Listen to what Jesus said here for those who think we go to heaven

John 7:33-36 KJV
[33] Then said Jesus unto them, Yet a little while am I with you, and then I go unto him that sent me. [34] Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me : and where I am, thither ye cannot come. [35] Then said the Jews among themselves, Whither will he go, that we shall not find him? will he go unto the dispersed among the Gentiles, and teach the Gentiles? [36] What manner of saying is this that he said, Ye shall seek me, and shall not find me : and where I am, thither ye cannot come?

Jesus said where he goes we cannot come

[howard]

In Jesus kingdom there will be flesh and blood along with those who are spirits that made the first resurrection

In The Father's kingdom there will be NO flesh and blood people. Only spirit beings like God


This to is a truth

On The 8th day in the Fathers kingdom there is no flesh, no death, no sin

What happens in the bible on the 8th day


Leviticus 12:2-3 KJV
[2] Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a woman have conceived seed, and born a man child: then she shall be unclean seven days; according to the days of the separation for her infirmity shall she be unclean. [3] And in the eighth day the flesh of his foreskin shall be circumcised.


The foreskin of flesh  is removed

On the eighth day in the Father kingdom all flesh is removed!


1 Corinthians 15:50 KJV
[50] Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.


Which kingdom?

[MeMyself]

howard, when I read your threads, they remind me of the Pixar short about the chess match in the park.

[howard]

howard, when I read your threads, they remind me of the Pixar short about the chess match in the park.

Actually that says a lot about you?

I have more verses than opinion in my thread.

What does the verses mean to you ?

This is what matter

[howard]

Here is what is understood about people who can only give opinion and not the truth


Matthew 13:12-14 KJV
[12] For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath. [13] Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. [14] And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

This is not for them to hear or understand

Back to the truth

[howard]

Here is something to chew on

Do you think that Jesus could have approached the Father without being circumcised wen he walked in the flesh?

Here is my reason why I ask this

This is future so lay this to heart and remember you read t!



Ezekiel 44:8-9 KJV
[8] And ye have not kept the charge of mine holy things: but ye have set keepers of my charge in my sanctuary for yourselves. [9] Thus saith the Lord God ; No stranger, uncircumcised in heart, nor uncircumcised in flesh, shall enter into my sanctuary, of any stranger that is among the children of Israel.


Jesus is in the temple in his kingdom and look what he say about the stranger.

This tell me in Jesus kingdom there will be circumcision, we already know in the Father kingdom there will be No Flesh period

[howard]

Where will the lake of fire be? It's not here on earth yet, it's not in the earth and satan is not barbecuing people there and no one is in it because it is not set up!


Isaiah 31:9 KJV
[9] And he shall pass over to his strong hold for fear, and his princes shall be afraid of the ensign, saith the Lord , whose fire is in Zion, and his furnace in Jerusalem.

Fact

The furnace of fire will be in Jerusalem

[howard]

As we read earlier the two wicked men the Beast and Man of Sin will beat satan and the angels in it!


Revelation 19:19-20 KJV
[19] And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. [20] And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Read the rest of the chapter on your own.

Satan will not be cast into the lake of fire until after Jesus 1000 year rule. Buber read that The Lord took those 2 men and put them there first before satan


Revelation 20:7-8,10 KJV
[7] And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, [8] And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. [10] And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are , and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

[howard]

Man beat the evil angel to the lake of fire! WOW!
Lets read why God did this

This is future   What you are about to read, John just told us who the people are in revelation 19 and 20

Isaiah 66:23-24 KJV
[23] And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord . [24] And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

In the feast days when all representative of the  nations come up before The Lord, before they go home they will have to look at this lake of fire and at those 2 men a d report back to the nations at what they saw when they looked down into hell!

Go back and read it again

It's the truth