8 passages (lists) of habitual sins deadly to Christians

[HRoberson]

"to the saints at..."


Perhaps you could explain what he meant by that?

[ChristNU]

People who habitually do all the things you listed are not Christians.  (Matthew 7:15-20)

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.  (Romans 8:1)

We all sin, but when we confess our sins we are forgiven.  (1 John 1:9-10)

Not Christians?

Well, in the 1 Corinthians passage, the audience were Christians. The church in Corinth was problematic.

Just because people sit in church does not make them Christians

We divide the Gospel into different views and interpretations. False teachings came about this. Yet, are we to call ourselves Christians as well?

Committing sins is not the only thing(s) that hinders the Christian community.

Ok...

That still doesn't change the fact that just because people sit in church does not make them Christians

Agree within that context.

However, Paul was addressing Christians as it is scripturally stated. My only point.

No, he isn't speaking about Christians. So your "point" is mute.

[ChristNU]

"to the saints at..."


Perhaps you could explain what he meant by that?

Ummm, that it is a letter to them, does not mean everything in it is about them.

[MeMyself]

"to the saints at..."


Perhaps you could explain what he meant by that?

I've checked with several translations and it says "to the Church"

And the Church does not mean all who attend are saved.

[Man_Of_Honor]

People who habitually do all the things you listed are not Christians.  (Matthew 7:15-20)

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.  (Romans 8:1)

We all sin, but when we confess our sins we are forgiven.  (1 John 1:9-10)

Not Christians?

Well, in the 1 Corinthians passage, the audience were Christians. The church in Corinth was problematic.

Just because people sit in church does not make them Christians

We divide the Gospel into different views and interpretations. False teachings came about this. Yet, are we to call ourselves Christians as well?

Committing sins is not the only thing(s) that hinders the Christian community.

Ok...

That still doesn't change the fact that just because people sit in church does not make them Christians

Agree within that context.

However, Paul was addressing Christians as it is scripturally stated. My only point.

No, he isn't speaking about Christians. So your "point" is mute.

Actually, some of the Christians in Corinth were living very sinful lives. Paul wrote the letter to scold and teach them how Christians should act. These Christians also were taking sides causing divisions.

[HRoberson]

"to the saints at..."


Perhaps you could explain what he meant by that?

I've checked with several translations and it says "to the Church"

And the Church does not mean all who attend are saved.

Paul uses the phrase many times, and in context it is clear to whom it is he thinks he is writing:

To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

To the church of God that is in Corinth, to those sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints together with all those who in every place call upon the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, both their Lord and ours:

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, and Timothy our brother, To the church of God that is at Corinth, with all the saints who are in the whole of Achaia:

To the churches of Galatia: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ,

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus:

Paul and Timothy, servants of Christ Jesus, To all the saints in Christ Jesus who are at Philippi, with the overseers and deacons:

To the saints and faithful brothers in Christ at Colossae: Grace to you and peace from God our Father.

To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace. We give thanks to God always for all of you, constantly mentioning you in our prayers, remembering before our God and Father your work of faith and labor of love and steadfastness of hope in our Lord Jesus Christ. For we know, brothers loved by God, that he has chosen you,

Paul, Silvanus, and Timothy, To the church of the Thessalonians in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. We ought always to give thanks to God for you, brothers, as is right, because your faith is growing abundantly, and the love of every one of you for one another is increasing.

[Man_Of_Honor]

2 Corinthians 12:20-21
New International Version (NIV)

20
For I am afraid that when I come I may
not find you as I want you to be, and you
may not find me as you want me to be. I
fear that there may be discord, jealousy,
fits of rage, selfish ambition, slander,
gossip, arrogance and disorder.
21
I am
afraid that when I come again my God will
humble me before you, and I will be
grieved over many who have sinned
earlier and have not repented of the
impurity, sexual sin and debauchery in
which they have indulged.

[ChristNU]

People who habitually do all the things you listed are not Christians.  (Matthew 7:15-20)

There is no condemnation for those who are in Christ.  (Romans 8:1)

We all sin, but when we confess our sins we are forgiven.  (1 John 1:9-10)

Not Christians?

Well, in the 1 Corinthians passage, the audience were Christians. The church in Corinth was problematic.

Just because people sit in church does not make them Christians

We divide the Gospel into different views and interpretations. False teachings came about this. Yet, are we to call ourselves Christians as well?

Committing sins is not the only thing(s) that hinders the Christian community.

Ok...

That still doesn't change the fact that just because people sit in church does not make them Christians

Agree within that context.

However, Paul was addressing Christians as it is scripturally stated. My only point.

No, he isn't speaking about Christians. So your "point" is mute.

Actually, some of the Christians in Corinth were living very sinful lives. Paul wrote the letter to scold and teach them how Christians should act. These Christians also were taking sides causing divisions.

Paul clearly states what he is referencing when he states in 1 Cor 6:11,  "and which some of you WERE". Thats who some of them WERE, but they were not any longer. He is talking about a persons identity. They had a new identity in Christ. The point being that, that is what some of you were, but you are not that any longer, so what are you doing behaving like what you used to be? Why indeed.

[John Zain]

By Christians we mean BACs, right?

Okay, BACs are inside and outside of churches.
Some have left the faith ...
and have chosen to return to their chosen profession of sinning!

News Flash ... these people are still BACs.
I.E. John 14:16 says the Holy Spirit will abide in them "forever" (until they die).

Now, they may return to the faith, or they may not.
Staying in this condition until death, they will miss heaven.
However, who knows what might happen on their death beds.

Does anyone understand my thinking?
Sure hope so ... or it's back to Suicide City for me ...
where I'll hang out for awhile and contemplate my future.

[HRoberson]

The point being that, that is what some of you were, but you are not that any longer, so what are you doing behaving like what you used to be? Why indeed.

Thus, Christians were sinning and Paul is speaking to them.

[ChristNU]

The point being that, that is what some of you were, but you are not that any longer, so what are you doing behaving like what you used to be? Why indeed.

Thus, Christians were sinning and Paul is speaking to them.

Speaking to them, about those who some of them were. But no longer. They were washed, they were sanctified, they were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

[DaveW]

An appeal to rationality

Anyone else care to take a shot @ being rational?
'Cause so far we're just not doin' too good

And that too is sin. 

Anything that falls short.

[DaveW]

The problem I have with the above is that if you lie (even once) you are a liar.

Very true.

[HRoberson]

The point being that, that is what some of you were, but you are not that any longer, so what are you doing behaving like what you used to be? Why indeed.

Thus, Christians were sinning and Paul is speaking to them.

Speaking to them, about those who some of them were. But no longer. They were washed, they were sanctified, they were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

"So what are you doing....." I think is what you said. That is present tense and is the import of Paul's writing in his letters. He writes to correct the churches and encourage them to more closely live the faith they claim. At one point, he threatens to pull rank on them and come straighten them out.

Paul thinks Christians sin.

So does John.

[ChristNU]

The point being that, that is what some of you were, but you are not that any longer, so what are you doing behaving like what you used to be? Why indeed.

Thus, Christians were sinning and Paul is speaking to them.

Speaking to them, about those who some of them were. But no longer. They were washed, they were sanctified, they were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.

"So what are you doing....." I think is what you said. That is present tense and is the import of Paul's writing in his letters. He writes to correct the churches and encourage them to more closely live the faith they claim. At one point, he threatens to pull rank on them and come straighten them out.

Paul thinks Christians sin.

So does John.

So? The point is that the OP is using what Paul was saying about unbelievers and applying it to believers, it doesn't apply.

[Ben]

I assume Paul knew that while he wrote to Christians only, there was a distinct possibilty that non-Christians could also be exposed to his letters so he was covering all the bases.

Ben

[John Zain]

I assume Paul knew that while he wrote to Christians only, there was a distinct possibilty
that non-Christians could also be exposed to his letters so he was covering all the bases.

Right, basically everything was written to everyone,
but only BACs have the Holy Spirit to teach them "all things".

Also, may I add ...

What Jesus went through is very serious stuff to Him ...
... and He expects (and deserves) some serious reciprocation here!

This mitigates against OSAS.
And this is a long way from the cheap grace and easy-believism taught in many churches!

James and the RCC and EOC churches are correct ...
there are some works of reciprocational appreciation to be done here!
Sorry, but I love to make up new words.

[MeMyself]

I assume Paul knew that while he wrote to Christians only, there was a distinct possibilty
that non-Christians could also be exposed to his letters so he was covering all the bases.

Right, basically everything was written to everyone,
but only BACs have the Holy Spirit to teach them "all things".

Also, may I add ...

What Jesus went through is very serious stuff to Him ...
... and He expects (and deserves) some serious reciprocation here!

This mitigates against OSAS.
And this is a long way from the cheap grace and easy-believism taught in many churches!

James and the RCC and EOC churches are correct ...
there are some works of reciprocational appreciation to be done here!
Sorry, but I love to make up new words.

What do you mean by Reciprocational appreciation?  That God owes *us* something for acts of obedience?!

[John Zain]

Methinks Jesus said something about ... If you love Me, you'll keep My commandments.
That's a reciprocal arrangement ... kind of like a covenant.
Oh, wait ... we're in the new covenant, right?

Kinda like the covenant of marriage ... both parties stay true to each other, love each other, etc.
Isn't that supposed to be the result of a deep personal loving relationship?
Or, is everything all one-sided?
For OSAS, yes, it is mandated as such ... although some choose to not take it for granted

For a translation of all of the above, please visit the ... desk.

[MeMyself]

Methinks Jesus said something about ... If you love Me, you'll keep My commandments.
That's a reciprocal arrangement ... kind of like a covenant.
Oh, wait ... we're in the new covenant, right?

Kinda like the covenant of marriage ... both parties stay true to each other, love each other, etc.
Isn't that supposed to be the result of a deep personal loving relationship?
Or, is everything all one-sided?
For OSAS, yes, it is mandated as such ... although some choose to not take it for granted

For a translation of all of the above, please visit the ... desk.

I'm sorry...I don't see that as an answer...

I will ask it again:
What do you mean by Reciprocational appreciation (which is what you first said, not merely Reciprocal arrangement like  you just said) ?  That God owes *us* something for acts of obedience?!

[Wycliffes_Shillelagh]

That does seem to be a biblical theme...

Matt 16:27  For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works. 

Rom 2:5-6 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;  Who will render to every man according to his deeds

Rev 22:12  And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward [is] with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.